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00:02:08,621\n民眾的納稅錢還有辛苦繳的血汗錢全部來用在監委的私用嗎我們監察院副院長在6月2號的時候記者會有說會張這個\n\n7\n00:02:13,004 --> 00:02:32,737\n披露藍圍的送紀律委員會那我們請教一下剛才大家都很多人在請教你我們要說明跟我們大眾說明辭職的秘書長是否也不用送紀律委員會了嗎他離職有沒有要送\n\n8\n00:02:33,217 --> 00:03:01,252\n跟委員說明一下那個有關於紀律委員會的設置辦法會移送到紀律委員會的只有監察委員因為他是監察委員紀律設置辦法所以他只有監察委員所以就是我們秘書長是不用就是他是可以也沒有人監督他也不用送也沒有他離職就耍對不對放錯離職再來到別的部門再升職是這樣嗎\n\n9\n00:03:02,873 --> 00:03:20,622\n官吏委員只是目前沒有立案調查並不表示說因為目前北檢在偵查中那至於後續這個案件如何處理那就是看後續的所以說這樣子就不送的話後續救者應該由誰來\n\n10\n00:03:23,584 --> 00:03:33,173\n負責任還是說辭職了就是不是監察院的事了送紀委員會不是我們秘書長可以送啦但是我們現在我們媒體揭露的是只有三位所以目前我們紀委員會已經開會了嗎現在就是我覺得開會只有三四分鐘啦\n\n11\n00:03:46,224 --> 00:04:01,256\n一過去的經驗紀委連會要多久有結果還有說我們送紀委員會的時間這些監委的行責權力上有沒有什麼影響\n\n12\n00:04:04,728 --> 00:04:31,294\n這個部分我們也想要知道因為很多人在看所以我們也希望說你要說明所以我們要問的就是說我們還有我們的副院長也在記者會有說針對拍車的制度應該要全面檢討但是我們監察院是否針對行政的部分全面調查所有拍車的是否符合公務的名目\n\n13\n00:04:32,114 --> 00:04:55,511\n是不是還有其他監委有工期之用的情況這邊這個你們都有做嗎不是說檢討就好所以檢討再研議再討論這個可能你們要去做一個行政院的公仔來去裝你們貼文就好了不用回答所以說我們要的是實質\n\n14\n00:04:59,181 --> 00:05:22,359\n委員說不用回答嗎不是我意思說你要回答是你們要做的事不要跟我講說就是說回去再討論再研議這個就是變成你們用公仔的來去貼文就好不要在這邊回答這些話我的意思不要在這裡回答這些話啦這些話對我們來說沒有用啦所以讓你們去貼公仔就好了\n\n15\n00:05:25,072 --> 00:05:49,931\n跟委員說明就是有關於這個有監察委員或者我們秘書長使用公務車有可能有使用不當的問題那第一就是的確是台北台北地方法院地方檢察署目前在偵查中然後有關於三位委員的那部分呢已經移到紀律委員會那為什麼\n\n16\n00:05:51,172 --> 00:06:05,957\n目前還沒有很明確的開會的時間因為那是上個禮拜上個禮拜有兩個陳情人來陳情有關於監委私用公務車的部分\n\n17\n00:06:07,518 --> 00:06:28,926\n依照人民訴訟處理辦法收了以後那要經過執事委員的核批所以有一定的程序移到紀律委員會那目前已經在紀律委員會那至於紀律委員會剛剛委員也說他是任務編組所以呢他不是一個定期會議他會適照是議案或者是委員的時間然後有七位委員再來開會\n\n18\n00:06:31,509 --> 00:06:39,305\n這個是你的程序我們是說你會這樣子做剛才你有回答過我在問你們的就是說\n\n19\n00:06:40,583 --> 00:06:43,625\n從這個媒體揭露你們就會去查沒有的話你們這些有沒有通盤去檢討還有是檢查這個你們也沒有嘛就是說有在檢討這個部分所以我們才說你們都是檢討在討論這些的話我們不想再聽了我們希望的是實質定時間行程要做好\n\n20\n00:07:04,995 --> 00:07:18,648\n因為我們沒辦法確認也沒有其他人的沒有人來檢舉你們就不知道怎麼辦了對不對所以有揭露的話就送雞尾為黑沒有揭露的話你們就不知道怎麼做了所以我們希望說我們覺得說我們監察院的職責都在就是彈劾糾正還有糾取單位的公務人員\n\n21\n00:07:29,739 --> 00:07:44,200\n居然是說自己的欄尾就是就是等別人來去跟你自己講你自己來辦,辦的都是寥寥這樣子耍所以我們覺得說別人說我們監察院就是一個\n\n22\n00:07:46,282 --> 00:07:52,687\n養老院都一點都不部分所以我們稍微再給我一點時間所以我們再來再問的是說第二題就是問題說在我們台灣民眾黨就是對監察院的職責也包則懷疑\n\n23\n00:08:04,196 --> 00:08:10,717\n因為當年也包含就是我們許多民進黨的委員們在2013年的時候陳其邁還有其他委員都說6年監察院彈劾案只有200案太少了彈劾標準不一主張要廢除監察院那我們看來就是蔡英文執政的時候也是在107年到112年也是一樣6年彈劾案件也是\n\n24\n00:08:33,642 --> 00:08:56,779\n少也是151案而已所以按照民進黨當年的標準不是應該要廢除監察院嗎砍了監察院的預算也應該是民進黨的主張啊那不是很好而已啊所以我們蔡英文執政的時候也曾經說過近來在朝野也同意\n\n25\n00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:12,178\n要推動肺考驗這都是可以優先進行也要盡快提出黨黨的修憲方向結果上一週民進黨幹事長吳思瑤發言說若你們為了\n\n26\n00:09:17,025 --> 00:09:30,140\n個人保護的行為廢除監察院洗心動念的就很囉所以我們看來這番話他要嗆誰呢是過去的陳其邁還是現在的陳菊院長因為院長在\n\n27\n00:09:36,087 --> 00:09:58,272\n去年6月5日的時候也說支持廢除監察院過去蔡英文總統支持廢除監察院現任成功接棒的賴清德總統也有說過支持廢除監察院所以呢接棒成功後呢繼續擺爛所以我們要給我們吳思瑤委員就keepit給他\n\n28\n00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:32,775\n一百個讚直接罵他們這幾個人很弱你們很弱你們提這個所以我們全國人民都關心民進黨如何把監察院變成酬庸院民進黨不要大轉彎還是捨不得放棄養肥貓的監察院關於彈劾案的數量太少反而就是世界認為\n\n29\n00:10:34,417 --> 00:10:55,052\n功能不彰所以現在的話我們給副牧師長跟大家說明今天我們無招委要排就是讓你說明你的立場所以呢你說明了說不到立場所以我們才會要求所以我們要跟我們過去的我們報告我們的蔡英文總統還有我們現任的\n\n30\n00:11:00,195 --> 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跟我們大眾說明辭職的秘書長是否也不用送紀律委員會了嗎他離職有沒有要送\n153217\t181252\t跟委員說明一下那個有關於紀律委員會的設置辦法會移送到紀律委員會的只有監察委員因為他是監察委員紀律設置辦法所以他只有監察委員所以就是我們秘書長是不用就是他是可以也沒有人監督他也不用送也沒有他離職就耍對不對放錯離職再來到別的部門再升職是這樣嗎\n182873\t200622\t官吏委員只是目前沒有立案調查並不表示說因為目前北檢在偵查中那至於後續這個案件如何處理那就是看後續的所以說這樣子就不送的話後續救者應該由誰來\n203584\t213173\t負責任 還是說辭職了 就是不是監察院的事了送紀委員會不是 我們秘書長可以送啦但是我們 現在我們媒體揭露的是只有三位所以目前我們紀委員會已經開會了嗎現在就是 我覺得開會只有三四分鐘啦\n226224\t241256\t一 過去的經驗 紀委連會要多久有結果 還有說我們送紀委員會的時間這些監委的行責 權力上有沒有什麼影響\n244728\t271294\t這個部分我們也想要知道因為很多人在看所以我們也希望說你要說明所以我們要問的就是說我們還有我們的副院長也在記者會有說針對拍車的制度應該要全面檢討但是我們監察院是否針對行政的部分全面調查所有拍車的是否符合公務的名目\n272114\t295511\t是不是還有其他監委有工期之用的情況這邊這個你們都有做嗎不是說檢討就好所以檢討再研議再討論這個可能你們要去做一個行政院的公仔來去裝你們貼文就好了 不用回答所以說我們要的是實質\n299181\t322359\t委員說不用回答嗎不是 我意思說你要回答是你們要做的事不要跟我講說就是說回去再討論再研議這個就是變成你們用公仔的來去貼文就好不要在這邊回答這些話我的意思不要在這裡回答這些話啦這些話對我們來說沒有用啦所以讓你們去貼公仔就好了\n325072\t349931\t跟委員說明就是有關於這個有監察委員或者我們秘書長使用公務車有可能有使用不當的問題那第一就是的確是台北台北地方法院地方檢察署目前在偵查中然後有關於三位委員的那部分呢已經移到紀律委員會那為什麼\n351172\t365957\t目前還沒有很明確的開會的時間因為那是上個禮拜上個禮拜有兩個陳情人來陳情有關於監委私用公務車的部分\n367518\t388926\t依照人民訴訟處理辦法收了以後那要經過執事委員的核批所以有一定的程序移到紀律委員會那目前已經在紀律委員會那至於紀律委員會剛剛委員也說他是任務編組所以呢他不是一個定期會議他會適照是議案或者是委員的時間然後有七位委員再來開會\n391509\t399305\t這個是你的程序我們是說你會這樣子做剛才你有回答過我在問你們的就是說\n400583\t403625\t從這個媒體揭露你們就會去查沒有的話你們這些有沒有通盤去檢討還有是檢查 這個你們也沒有嘛就是說有在檢討這個部分所以我們才說你們都是檢討在討論這些的話我們不想再聽了我們希望的是實質定時間行程要做好\n424995\t438648\t因為我們沒辦法確認也沒有其他人的沒有人來檢舉你們就不知道怎麼辦了對不對所以有揭露的話就送雞尾為黑沒有揭露的話你們就不知道怎麼做了所以我們希望說我們覺得說我們監察院的職責都在就是彈劾糾正還有糾取單位的公務人員\n449739\t464200\t居然是說自己的欄尾就是就是等別人來去跟你自己講你自己來辦,辦的都是寥寥這樣子耍所以我們覺得說別人說我們監察院就是一個\n466282\t472687\t養老院都一點都不部分所以我們稍微再給我一點時間所以我們再來再問的是說第二題就是問題說在我們台灣民眾黨就是對監察院的職責也包則懷疑\n484196\t490717\t因為當年也包含就是我們許多民進黨的委員們在2013年的時候陳其邁還有其他委員都說6年監察院彈劾案只有200案太少了彈劾標準不一主張要廢除監察院那我們看來就是蔡英文執政的時候也是在107年到112年也是一樣6年彈劾案件也是\n513642\t536779\t少 也是151案而已所以按照民進黨當年的標準不是應該要廢除監察院嗎砍了監察院的預算也應該是民進黨的主張啊那不是很好而已啊所以我們蔡英文執政的時候也曾經說過近來在朝野也同意\n537700\t552178\t要推動肺考驗這都是可以優先進行也要盡快提出黨黨的修憲方向結果上一週民進黨幹事長吳思瑤發言說若你們為了\n557025\t570140\t個人保護的行為廢除監察院洗心動念的就很囉所以我們看來這番話他要嗆誰呢是過去的陳其邁還是現在的陳菊院長因為院長在\n576087\t598272\t去年6月5日的時候也說支持廢除監察院過去蔡英文總統支持廢除監察院現任成功接棒的賴清德總統也有說過支持廢除監察院所以呢接棒成功後呢繼續擺爛所以我們要給我們吳思瑤委員就keep it給他\n605680\t632775\t一百個讚 直接罵他們這幾個人很弱 你們很弱 你們提這個所以我們全國人民都關心民進黨如何把監察院變成酬庸院民進黨不要大轉彎還是捨不得放棄養肥貓的監察院關於彈劾案的數量太少反而就是世界認為\n634417\t655052\t功能不彰 所以現在的話我們給副牧師長跟大家說明今天我們無招委要排就是讓你說明你的立場所以呢你說明了說不到立場所以我們才會要求所以我們要跟我們過去的我們報告我們的蔡英文總統還有我們現任的\n660195\t683212\t賴清德總統吳思瑤說你們提出廢除監察院很Low啦所以呢不願意執行但是我們台灣民眾黨目前已經完成連署這一周就是一機會完成修憲的提案到的時候呢我們希望過去的民進黨的委員還有口口聲聲說支持廢除\n686714\t700143\t監察院還有現任民進黨的委員大家要多多支持千萬不要法雜彎過去你們喊口號的沒人執行台灣民眾黨來幫你們實現\n702785\t717335\t希望朝野一心支持盡快成立修憲委員會啟動廢除監察院實際落實憲政的工程所以我們希望你\n718462\t739690\t不要在說你們的工作的過程啦我們要的就是直接 時間 期程 什麼時候 怎麼辦怎麼去查 那是你來的目的啦不然在說怎麼樣怎麼樣 這個是你們的工作不要跟我們報告 我們要的是實際落實以上 謝謝\n","txt":"主席好你好有請複密署長麻煩複密委員好\n副秘書長好 我們在114年度審核監察院的預算的時候監察院也開了一場記者會 說監察院快要斷水斷電了公務車也沒有辦法支付油錢結果馬上就被爆出 除了李憲憶秘書長 還有多名監委\n公欺私用 用公屋車送自己的狗狗去寵物美容 去看牙醫 去美髮院請教我們院長剛剛說這些項目 哪一個符合公屋的行程哪一個符合跟委員說明 這個案件目前是紀律委員會在處理中\n所以說哪一個符合我可不可以說明一下就是的確是所有的公務車目前的使用都是油料費的部分都是由使用人來支付的包括保險跟維養的部分都是由使用人來支付\n欺負基層的公務人員沒有衛生紙有錢可以讓公車加油這個就是欺負我們的基層的人員所以我們當初監察院說的預算招侃很大要調整內部經費但卻在拍公車這件事上毫無把關大大方方浪費我們國家的資源\n民眾的納稅錢還有辛苦繳的血汗錢全部來用在監委的私用嗎我們監察院副院長在6月2號的時候記者會有說會張這個\n披露藍圍的送紀律委員會那我們請教一下 剛才大家都很多人在請教你我們要說明 跟我們大眾說明辭職的秘書長是否也不用送紀律委員會了嗎他離職有沒有要送\n跟委員說明一下那個有關於紀律委員會的設置辦法會移送到紀律委員會的只有監察委員因為他是監察委員紀律設置辦法所以他只有監察委員所以就是我們秘書長是不用就是他是可以也沒有人監督他也不用送也沒有他離職就耍對不對放錯離職再來到別的部門再升職是這樣嗎\n官吏委員只是目前沒有立案調查並不表示說因為目前北檢在偵查中那至於後續這個案件如何處理那就是看後續的所以說這樣子就不送的話後續救者應該由誰來\n負責任 還是說辭職了 就是不是監察院的事了送紀委員會不是 我們秘書長可以送啦但是我們 現在我們媒體揭露的是只有三位所以目前我們紀委員會已經開會了嗎現在就是 我覺得開會只有三四分鐘啦\n一 過去的經驗 紀委連會要多久有結果 還有說我們送紀委員會的時間這些監委的行責 權力上有沒有什麼影響\n這個部分我們也想要知道因為很多人在看所以我們也希望說你要說明所以我們要問的就是說我們還有我們的副院長也在記者會有說針對拍車的制度應該要全面檢討但是我們監察院是否針對行政的部分全面調查所有拍車的是否符合公務的名目\n是不是還有其他監委有工期之用的情況這邊這個你們都有做嗎不是說檢討就好所以檢討再研議再討論這個可能你們要去做一個行政院的公仔來去裝你們貼文就好了 不用回答所以說我們要的是實質\n委員說不用回答嗎不是 我意思說你要回答是你們要做的事不要跟我講說就是說回去再討論再研議這個就是變成你們用公仔的來去貼文就好不要在這邊回答這些話我的意思不要在這裡回答這些話啦這些話對我們來說沒有用啦所以讓你們去貼公仔就好了\n跟委員說明就是有關於這個有監察委員或者我們秘書長使用公務車有可能有使用不當的問題那第一就是的確是台北台北地方法院地方檢察署目前在偵查中然後有關於三位委員的那部分呢已經移到紀律委員會那為什麼\n目前還沒有很明確的開會的時間因為那是上個禮拜上個禮拜有兩個陳情人來陳情有關於監委私用公務車的部分\n依照人民訴訟處理辦法收了以後那要經過執事委員的核批所以有一定的程序移到紀律委員會那目前已經在紀律委員會那至於紀律委員會剛剛委員也說他是任務編組所以呢他不是一個定期會議他會適照是議案或者是委員的時間然後有七位委員再來開會\n這個是你的程序我們是說你會這樣子做剛才你有回答過我在問你們的就是說\n從這個媒體揭露你們就會去查沒有的話你們這些有沒有通盤去檢討還有是檢查 這個你們也沒有嘛就是說有在檢討這個部分所以我們才說你們都是檢討在討論這些的話我們不想再聽了我們希望的是實質定時間行程要做好\n因為我們沒辦法確認也沒有其他人的沒有人來檢舉你們就不知道怎麼辦了對不對所以有揭露的話就送雞尾為黑沒有揭露的話你們就不知道怎麼做了所以我們希望說我們覺得說我們監察院的職責都在就是彈劾糾正還有糾取單位的公務人員\n居然是說自己的欄尾就是就是等別人來去跟你自己講你自己來辦,辦的都是寥寥這樣子耍所以我們覺得說別人說我們監察院就是一個\n養老院都一點都不部分所以我們稍微再給我一點時間所以我們再來再問的是說第二題就是問題說在我們台灣民眾黨就是對監察院的職責也包則懷疑\n因為當年也包含就是我們許多民進黨的委員們在2013年的時候陳其邁還有其他委員都說6年監察院彈劾案只有200案太少了彈劾標準不一主張要廢除監察院那我們看來就是蔡英文執政的時候也是在107年到112年也是一樣6年彈劾案件也是\n少 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01:00.292\n公欺私用用公屋車送自己的狗狗去寵物美容去看牙醫去美髮院請教我們院長剛剛說這些項目哪一個符合公屋的行程哪一個符合跟委員說明這個案件目前是紀律委員會在處理中\n\n01:09.648 --> 01:27.658\n所以說哪一個符合我可不可以說明一下就是的確是所有的公務車目前的使用都是油料費的部分都是由使用人來支付的包括保險跟維養的部分都是由使用人來支付\n\n01:28.018 --> 01:42.185\n欺負基層的公務人員沒有衛生紙有錢可以讓公車加油這個就是欺負我們的基層的人員所以我們當初監察院說的預算招侃很大要調整內部經費但卻在拍公車這件事上毫無把關大大方方浪費我們國家的資源\n\n01:58.313 --> 02:08.621\n民眾的納稅錢還有辛苦繳的血汗錢全部來用在監委的私用嗎我們監察院副院長在6月2號的時候記者會有說會張這個\n\n02:13.004 --> 02:32.737\n披露藍圍的送紀律委員會那我們請教一下剛才大家都很多人在請教你我們要說明跟我們大眾說明辭職的秘書長是否也不用送紀律委員會了嗎他離職有沒有要送\n\n02:33.217 --> 03:01.252\n跟委員說明一下那個有關於紀律委員會的設置辦法會移送到紀律委員會的只有監察委員因為他是監察委員紀律設置辦法所以他只有監察委員所以就是我們秘書長是不用就是他是可以也沒有人監督他也不用送也沒有他離職就耍對不對放錯離職再來到別的部門再升職是這樣嗎\n\n03:02.873 --> 03:20.622\n官吏委員只是目前沒有立案調查並不表示說因為目前北檢在偵查中那至於後續這個案件如何處理那就是看後續的所以說這樣子就不送的話後續救者應該由誰來\n\n03:23.584 --> 03:33.173\n負責任還是說辭職了就是不是監察院的事了送紀委員會不是我們秘書長可以送啦但是我們現在我們媒體揭露的是只有三位所以目前我們紀委員會已經開會了嗎現在就是我覺得開會只有三四分鐘啦\n\n03:46.224 --> 04:01.256\n一過去的經驗紀委連會要多久有結果還有說我們送紀委員會的時間這些監委的行責權力上有沒有什麼影響\n\n04:04.728 --> 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