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00:01:53,393\n跟委員報告第三方支付這部分的一個有關於這邊的處分機關是速發部所以速發部對這個第三方支付還有包括虛擬貨幣這部分第三方支付這部分他們有做一些的管制的一個\n\n5\n00:01:54,534 --> 00:02:18,800\n管理的一個規定部長我跟你說啦支部阿部他們要訂但是我們法務部應該要針對這種新型態的因為第三關支部很明顯的就是說他們可能做一個假交易或者是他們在做一些真實的交易的時候以低報高像我們現在看到的為什麼每個詐騙集團哇他們都開著外國進口的名車全部都開著哇不是馬沙拉蒂就是弄很好的車為什麼要這樣\n\n6\n00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:23,817\n就是他們的金流要有一個去處嘛\n\n7\n00:02:25,018 --> 00:02:50,398\n那如果是在用現金的話現在很多現金的買賣他必須要有現金的來源這個他們可能也無法無法去處理所以最好處理就是從地方第三方支付做假買賣做以低報高然後去把他們的金流去把他洗錢洗出來所以法務部事實上從上禮拜六到今天的新聞我看起來是大家有在正視這件事情法務部有在偵辦但是我們的偵辦後續的作為要怎麼擴大偵辦呢\n\n8\n00:02:53,527 --> 00:03:17,299\n那我想這部分第三份支付因為被那個詐團當作一個洗錢的一個工具所以說我們在管理這部分那個在詐欺危險防治條例對這部分以及洗錢防治法有做相關的一個規定包括他那個來從事在我們國內都要做一個登記申報或者有處罰的一個規定那個委員關心的就是其實我們本部\n\n9\n00:03:17,799 --> 00:03:41,694\n台高檢是台灣在主政的那我們會督導台高檢對最新最氾濫的這些就像第三資物或虛擬貨幣的這個詐欺這部分網路投資詐欺這部分我們會加強的專案的查緝那這部分的一個成果那我想從去今年一到三月也查獲了渣團774個那查獲渣團是比去年同期是多出了36點\n\n10\n00:03:44,356 --> 00:04:08,254\n75%是多出來的那那個羈押的查獲的人數也成長了23.13%另外羈押也成長了62.44那我想這部分我們會再做專的查緝我想這要回應民眾的這些的悲哀部長因為民眾現在對於詐騙大家很在意所以事實上我今天質詢我也是要跟部長提示啦就比方說同樣這一個新聞在禮拜六的時候他是報導的說\n\n11\n00:04:09,635 --> 00:04:36,695\n這一家第三方支付他收受了博弈賭團或詐騙集團的金流後為該些不法集團洗錢預50億元那既然我們已經掌握了這樣50億元這樣的一個總數那之後這個50億元他的對象到底是誰這個50億元怎麼來的啊他應該還是可以順和摸瓜再回去到底是說這個50億元他是怎麼用透過第三方支付去做了哪些不法的交易\n\n12\n00:04:37,842 --> 00:05:00,191\n這個東西我看法務部也要查這個會這個在個案的話檢察會去查我們當然不是講個案但是可以看到一個現象因為他總數他說他洗了50億元當然這個跟他最後扣到的金額他扣到的金額大概帳戶3600市價市價是有什麼不動產2000多所以扣到的金額就少了\n\n13\n00:05:00,911 --> 00:05:24,020\n但是看起來這個中間他們在寫的就是這麼多所以我跟法務部長提示啦我們這樣查有一個很大的一個重點就是說我們要把真正詐騙集團的背後的一些首腦要來揪出來這是一個重點第二個我希望法務部在做這一些查核的時候我們要更多站在被詐騙的被害人的一個立場\n\n14\n00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:50,511\n也就是說這一些我們認為說好它涉及到五十幾億的一個詐騙洗錢那這中間到底哪些是屬於哪一些個案的被害人這會不會因為法務部有時候我們在偵辦的時候當然現在因為詐騙法務部檢察官辦案上也是確實壓力是很大的那案件事實上它整個的一個量是多的但是總是要再多站在被害人立場既然我們可以掌握\n\n15\n00:05:51,813 --> 00:06:13,967\n整體的一個金流可以掌握詐騙集團透過第三方支付來做洗錢那這中間有多少不罰所得可以勾結到這個被害人被詐騙的金額那如果勾結起來的話當然就變成說被害人可以來具體來求償或者是被害人可以去針對這些被扣押的所得去主張他們的一個權益這部分我覺得會不會也是要去做\n\n16\n00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:36,854\n我們有督導那個抬高檢那這部分那個所得我們會順從莫瓜去查出那個來源那事實上那個炸雞維抗防治條例對這個也不是只有本案的才有沒收尾他案子如果是認定是炸雞的話我們可以申請法院來沒收另外我們也啟動那個調和解的一個計畫\n\n17\n00:06:38,035 --> 00:06:52,483\n其實目前的話落實那個詐欺危害防治條例裡面有關你偵查過審理中這個調解和解的這部分來獲取的一些的效果那現在目前為止統計的金額那個已經緩緩被害人這邊倒搞36億3922萬元到今年第一季累積到這麼多了所以我是覺得法務部事實上這一塊是要繼續加強然後在辦案的過程中事實上應該也要協助被害人去釐清\n\n18\n00:07:06,752 --> 00:07:29,186\n他被詐騙的錢跟最後所查獲到或者是中間涉及到其他的洗錢機構那他的錢到底流向跑去哪裡了這個我覺得法務部可以在這一塊我們再加強再用心一下因為很多詐騙集團他們人詐騙事實上我們要看到的除了這些人必須要繩之以法外我們也是要去看到這些被害人\n\n19\n00:07:29,602 --> 00:07:39,000\n他可能一輩子的積蓄就這樣被詐騙走了法務部還是要站在說怎麼樣盡可能去協助他們可以做後續的一個追索這樣好不好好謝謝好謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n19782\t44477\t謝謝主席 我們是不是有請法務部部長跟檢察司副司長好 麻煩部長 副司長委員好好 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部長事實上我連續看到從禮拜六的自由時報頭版然後它就放在最下面以及今天自由時報頭版一樣是報了這兩個新聞\n那都是涉及到的說第三方支付累已經變成是詐騙集團他們的一個洗錢的一個最好的一個工具所以我想要請教部長就是說我們現在法務部針對這些詐騙集團那因為在抓詐騙集團的時候他們都做斷點但是金流才是這個斷點從金流有辦法抓到詐騙集團甚至整案的一個破獲\n所以如果第三方支付已經變成了詐騙集團他們在金流他們去做洗錢或者是他們金流那個掩護的話我們法務部對於這樣第三方支付我們有怎樣的一個具體作為嗎\n跟委員報告第三方支付這部分的一個有關於這邊的處分機關是速發部所以速發部對這個第三方支付還有包括虛擬貨幣這部分第三方支付這部分他們有做一些的管制的一個\n管理的一個規定 部長我跟你說啦 支部阿部他們要訂但是我們法務部應該要針對這種新型態的因為第三關支部很明顯的 就是說他們可能做一個假交易或者是他們在做一些真實的交易的時候 以低報高像我們現在看到的 為什麼每個詐騙集團 哇 他們都開著外國進口的名車全部都開著 哇 不是馬沙拉蒂 就是弄很好的車 為什麼要這樣\n就是他們的金流要有一個去處嘛\n那如果是在用現金的話現在很多現金的買賣他必須要有現金的來源這個他們可能也無法無法去處理所以最好處理就是從地方第三方支付做假買賣做以低報高然後去把他們的金流去把他洗錢洗出來所以法務部事實上從上禮拜六到今天的新聞我看起來是大家有在正視這件事情法務部有在偵辦但是我們的偵辦後續的作為要怎麼擴大偵辦呢\n那我想這部分 第三份支付因為被那個詐團當作一個洗錢的一個工具所以說我們在管理這部分那個在詐欺危險防治條例對這部分以及洗錢防治法有做相關的一個規定包括他那個來從事在我們國內都要做一個登記申報或者有處罰的一個規定那個委員關心的就是其實我們本部\n台高檢是台灣在主政的那我們會督導台高檢對最新最氾濫的這些就像第三資物或虛擬貨幣的這個詐欺這部分網路投資詐欺這部分我們會加強的專案的查緝那這部分的一個成果那我想從去今年一到三月也查獲了渣團774個那查獲渣團是比去年同期是多出了36點\n75%是多出來的那那個羈押的查獲的人數也成長了23.13%另外羈押也成長了62.44那我想這部分我們會再做專的查緝我想這要回應民眾的這些的悲哀部長因為民眾現在對於詐騙大家很在意所以事實上我今天質詢我也是要跟部長提示啦就比方說同樣這一個新聞在禮拜六的時候他是報導的說\n這一家第三方支付他收受了博弈賭團或詐騙集團的金流後為該些不法集團洗錢預50億元那既然我們已經掌握了這樣50億元這樣的一個總數那之後這個50億元他的對象到底是誰這個50億元怎麼來的啊他應該還是可以順和摸瓜再回去到底是說這個50億元他是怎麼用透過第三方支付去做了哪些不法的交易\n這個東西我看法務部也要查這個會 這個在個案的話 檢察會去查我們當然不是講個案 但是可以看到一個現象因為他總數 他說他洗了50億元 當然這個跟他最後扣到的金額他扣到的金額大概帳戶3600 市價市價是有什麼不動產2000多 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