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00:02:50,515\n来到了8433人这个是历年单月新低历年单月的新低而且这个整个出生人数曾下降的一个趋势是非常明显的那么在过去这段时间当中我们甚至有两个月低于9000人跟去年平均每个月都破万人比较它是很显著的其实就是很大的落差一直在往下所以我们看到\n\n9\n00:02:51,075 --> 00:03:04,954\n如果現在要來談提高生育率短時間應該是沒有辦法解決我相信主委應該也認同所以現實的狀況是我們在疫情過後這幾年缺工非常非常的嚴重所以世界各國都已經開始進行人才爭奪戰了那麼\n\n10\n00:03:06,716 --> 00:03:32,322\n去年5月22号一样是在经济的联席的会议在这里那么我们寻答讨论过外国这个专业人才延揽及雇佣法的修正草案在当时我们朝野一致认为政府应该是要更积极的向海外来延揽专业人才并增加人才留台的诱因嘛这点诸位认同没有错嘛对不对好那为什么啊政院版的草案要延宕一年之久\n\n11\n00:03:35,361 --> 00:03:54,922\n這個內部因為有很多的溝通跟協調因為牽扯的部會比較多啦那這具體的原因您了解嗎那上一次過的時候是委員會過了但是在院裡面並沒有被討論所以我們這次在捲土好主委總之啊這麼急迫的問題我們已經當了這樣一年的時間了其實真的不應該啦好\n\n12\n00:03:55,683 --> 00:04:11,730\n我们再来看到那媒体都有报道说在这一波人才竞逐当中其实我们是远远的在世界各国看起来我们都是落后的那主委有没有看过在瑞士洛桑管理学院发布2024年人才竞争力的排名你看过这份资料吗\n\n13\n00:04:13,121 --> 00:04:27,180\n我沒有看過沒有好我想台灣現在排名是第18名喔第18名喔略有進步一點點但是呢其實跟很多的國家比起來尤其跟我們自己亞洲看新加坡香港其實我們都輸他喔所以我想喔我們現在喔\n\n14\n00:04:29,102 --> 00:04:57,410\n其实在这些问题上面恐怕有很多的这些原因那当然包括我们在这些为什么会比较弱呢我们公共教育支出占GDP的比例其实也低劳动力成长率也低对外籍技术人才的吸引力也低生活成本等等很多的因素在所以我们今天来修外国人才延揽及雇佣办法我们现在是针对外籍技术人才的吸引力这个指标来看整体我想\n\n15\n00:04:58,170 --> 00:05:19,177\n這個是只能提升人才的競爭力但是在攬財留財這個部分我們如果真的想要去提升人才競爭力的話恐怕還要整個政府跨部會來做所以我們也希望主委要再繼續加油更加的積極那麼同時我想等一下是不是能夠再請一下我們經濟部次長江次長主席\n\n16\n00:05:22,814 --> 00:05:35,591\n那麼去年我想我們吸引這個我們一直以來都有這個計畫我們還是請主委我們先稍等一下這個次長我想我們吸引外籍人士來台跟留才之外我們還有一個很重要的問題\n\n17\n00:05:36,052 --> 00:05:53,443\n很重要的重點是我們要防止台灣人才外流但是我們根據去年12月主計處發布的統計國人在2023年赴海外工作的人數高達62.1萬其中大專以上將近50萬人佔八成之多然後我們看到在疫情前\n\n18\n00:05:54,284 --> 00:06:20,338\n其實陸續我們的人數大概都有70萬人其實在這個國外海外的發展那我們要來防止我們人才外流其實我覺得國防會要再繼續努力好我們來討論一件事情我們看到台積電現在宣布要到美國投資1650億美元那新建三座新晶園場然後兩座先進封裝設施還有一間是主要的研發中心\n\n19\n00:06:21,118 --> 00:06:23,599\n我們來看了在2022年的時候我想我們這個次長一起台積電當時到這個美國鳳凰城去設廠那當時我們的經濟部長王美華說我們那個時候要外派將近500名的工程師三年的合約\n\n20\n00:06:37,566 --> 00:06:53,078\n我來請教一下那個主委或者是次長都可以回答我們台積電現在要到美國看起來陸續要設置六個廠如果按照這樣很粗略的去算它那是不是代表我們要派可能陸續三千名的工程師到美國去會不會有這樣的狀況\n\n21\n00:06:57,294 --> 00:07:21,996\n誰可以回答我從產業的角度來回答就這件事情來看會不會其實他也是他不會喔所以我們不會像之前這個台積電去鳳凰的設廠一項我們派了三百名公司五百名公司去第一個場的時候美國人是沒有經驗的他必須把有經驗的人派過去教導那坦白講我去過他裡面現場的我遇到的工程師大概都是有美國籍的有印度籍的\n\n22\n00:07:22,797 --> 00:07:49,931\n好我今天提的是我們我今天提的倒不是世界各國去到那裡有多少人我提的是我們這邊的人才過去有沒有可能啊像上次我們一座廠我們就五百個人嘛那這一次有沒有可能因為六座廠陸續我們可不可能就是按照這個比例派了三千名公司去會不會這樣還是請市長回答一下任何公司一去一定是先把台灣懂的人去交交會了就會回來好那我接下來既然交會就回來我來請教一下那市長\n\n23\n00:07:51,277 --> 00:08:18,732\n我們現在派去這500名工程師合約三年嘛那現在三年也要到了今年就要到了我們現在外派這些工程師都會回來嗎公司會做相關的調派但是其實在台灣台積電自己就有7萬名員工所以這個主要的人才還都是在台灣那這500名會回來嗎那你有沒有掌握說有多少名會回來這個必須要繼續跟問公司經濟部有掌握嗎\n\n24\n00:08:21,137 --> 00:08:22,501\n國防會有掌握嗎這個我們不會掌握\n\n25\n00:08:25,526 --> 00:08:49,970\n我們不會掌握嘛好我想這個台積電到底有多少人我們這樣派出去會不會回來其實這是很重要的我希望不管我們經濟部像之前問國科會也不知道國發會我覺得我們是要掌握的我們既不能保證我們到台會不會陸續外派我們又不能保證外派以後他們會不會回來那這無形當中就是我們重要人才的一個流失所以我們今天在討論國內人才這個問題我們要持續吸引國際人才來台\n\n26\n00:08:54,631 --> 00:09:12,944\n怎麼留下來怎麼去培育他那我們的人出去以後怎麼樣會不會回來我覺得這是一個整體性的問題所以今天呢我們把這個問題點出來我們也希望各部會在我們人才流台以及會不會回來等等我們能夠做跨部會更精緻更詳細跨部會的來聯繫來討論好不好是好謝謝好謝謝萬美玲萬委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6619\t27356\t好 謝謝主席 我們有請劉主委好 有請主委好 劉主委早主委您知不知道我們現在全球生育率最低的全球生育率最低在哪裡嗎就我了解是韓國再來是我們\n29624\t43974\t韓國再來是我們但是我們根據美國中央情報局世界開曠2024年全球生育率統計每位台灣女性平均只生1.1個小孩有時候生育率1.1再度纏連了全球最低\n44795\t64705\t那么我想我们政府其实在107年的7月我们有推出一个少死化对策的一个计划那么从107年到113年这个总预算经费高达了5026亿要来改善少死化的问题那么去年8月呢我们有再度修正计划这个延后一年到114年并增加了1254亿所以来到6280亿\n69207\t75557\t我們投入這麼多的這個這個經費預算進來計劃在走那為什麼我們的生育率還是全球倒數第一\n76955\t99518\t這個我們這個國會會有做過統計那三十歲以下沒有結婚對象的比例是非常高的那我們也透過教育部我想主委應該是這樣講啦這原因一定很多啦但是我們要去掌握嘛不管這個原因所佔的比例是多少但每一個原因我想應該要掌握我想會後這個主委去了解一下\n100379\t120795\t那但是我想投入這麼多的預算經費再下來了那今年2025年主委認為我們的生育率會不會再繼續纏連倒數第一目前就我了解少子化是我們陳時中委員現在正在訂114年到117年的四年計畫主委我只是問你說你覺得會還是不會繼續纏連這個倒數第一\n125439\t130381\t好我來告訴你好了我想要脫離這個倒數第一看起來其實並不樂觀啦因為我們來看到用數據說話我們內政部最新的統計今年的新生兒這個數量1月份的時候來到9495人2月1407人好我們再看到到了5月呢\n147950\t170515\t来到了8433人这个是历年单月新低历年单月的新低而且这个整个出生人数曾下降的一个趋势是非常明显的那么在过去这段时间当中我们甚至有两个月低于9000人跟去年平均每个月都破万人比较它是很显著的其实就是很大的落差一直在往下所以我们看到\n171075\t184954\t如果現在要來談提高生育率短時間應該是沒有辦法解決我相信主委應該也認同所以現實的狀況是我們在疫情過後這幾年缺工非常非常的嚴重所以世界各國都已經開始進行人才爭奪戰了那麼\n186716\t212322\t去年5月22号一样是在经济的联席的会议在这里那么我们寻答讨论过外国这个专业人才延揽及雇佣法的修正草案在当时我们朝野一致认为政府应该是要更积极的向海外来延揽专业人才并增加人才留台的诱因嘛这点诸位认同没有错嘛对不对好那为什么啊政院版的草案要延宕一年之久\n215361\t234922\t這個內部因為有很多的溝通跟協調因為牽扯的部會比較多啦那這具體的原因您了解嗎那上一次過的時候是委員會過了但是在院裡面並沒有被討論所以我們這次在捲土好 主委總之啊這麼急迫的問題我們已經當了這樣一年的時間了其實真的不應該啦好\n235683\t251730\t我们再来看到那媒体都有报道说在这一波人才竞逐当中其实我们是远远的在世界各国看起来我们都是落后的那主委有没有看过在瑞士洛桑管理学院发布2024年人才竞争力的排名你看过这份资料吗\n253121\t267180\t我沒有看過沒有 好我想台灣現在排名是第18名喔第18名喔略有進步一點點但是呢其實跟很多的國家比起來尤其跟我們自己亞洲看新加坡 香港其實我們都輸他喔所以我想喔我們現在喔\n269102\t297410\t其实在这些问题上面恐怕有很多的这些原因那当然包括我们在这些为什么会比较弱呢我们公共教育支出占GDP的比例其实也低劳动力成长率也低对外籍技术人才的吸引力也低生活成本等等很多的因素在所以我们今天来修外国人才延揽及雇佣办法我们现在是针对外籍技术人才的吸引力这个指标来看整体我想\n298170\t319177\t這個是只能提升人才的競爭力但是在攬財留財這個部分我們如果真的想要去提升人才競爭力的話恐怕還要整個政府跨部會來做所以我們也希望主委要再繼續加油更加的積極那麼同時我想等一下是不是能夠再請一下我們經濟部次長江次長主席\n322814\t335591\t那麼去年我想我們吸引這個我們一直以來都有這個計畫我們還是請主委我們先稍等一下這個次長我想我們吸引外籍人士來台跟留才之外我們還有一個很重要的問題\n336052\t353443\t很重要的重點是我們要防止台灣人才外流但是我們根據去年12月主計處發布的統計國人在2023年赴海外工作的人數高達62.1萬其中大專以上將近50萬人佔八成之多然後我們看到在疫情前\n354284\t380338\t其實陸續我們的人數大概都有70萬人其實在這個國外 海外的發展那我們要來防止我們人才外流其實我覺得國防會要再繼續努力好 我們來討論一件事情我們看到台積電現在宣布要到美國投資1650億美元那新建三座新晶園場然後兩座先進封裝設施還有一間是主要的研發中心\n381118\t383599\t我們來看了在2022年的時候我想我們這個次長一起台積電當時到這個美國鳳凰城去設廠那當時我們的經濟部長王美華說我們那個時候要外派將近500名的工程師三年的合約\n397566\t413078\t我來請教一下那個主委或者是次長都可以回答我們台積電現在要到美國看起來陸續要設置六個廠如果按照這樣很粗略的去算它那是不是代表我們要派可能陸續三千名的工程師到美國去會不會有這樣的狀況\n417294\t441996\t誰可以回答我從產業的角度來回答就這件事情來看會不會其實他也是他不會喔所以我們不會像之前這個台積電去鳳凰的設廠一項我們派了三百名公司五百名公司去第一個場的時候美國人是沒有經驗的他必須把有經驗的人派過去教導那坦白講我去過他裡面現場的我遇到的工程師大概都是有美國籍的有印度籍的\n442797\t469931\t好我今天提的是我們我今天提的倒不是世界各國去到那裡有多少人我提的是我們這邊的人才過去有沒有可能啊像上次我們一座廠我們就五百個人嘛那這一次有沒有可能因為六座廠陸續我們可不可能就是按照這個比例派了三千名公司去會不會這樣還是請市長回答一下任何公司一去一定是先把台灣懂的人去交交會了就會回來好那我接下來既然交會就回來我來請教一下那市長\n471277\t498732\t我們現在派去這500名工程師合約三年嘛那現在三年也要到了今年就要到了我們現在外派這些工程師都會回來嗎公司會做相關的調派但是其實在台灣台積電自己就有7萬名員工所以這個主要的人才還都是在台灣那這500名會回來嗎那你有沒有掌握說有多少名會回來這個必須要繼續跟問公司經濟部有掌握嗎\n501137\t502501\t國防會有掌握嗎這個我們不會掌握\n505526\t529970\t我們不會掌握嘛好 我想這個台積電到底有多少人我們這樣派出去會不會回來其實這是很重要的我希望不管我們經濟部像之前問國科會也不知道國發會我覺得我們是要掌握的我們既不能保證我們到台會不會陸續外派我們又不能保證外派以後他們會不會回來那這無形當中就是我們重要人才的一個流失所以我們今天在討論國內人才這個問題我們要持續吸引國際人才來台\n534631\t552944\t怎麼留下來怎麼去培育他那我們的人出去以後怎麼樣會不會回來我覺得這是一個整體性的問題所以今天呢我們把這個問題點出來我們也希望各部會在我們人才流台以及會不會回來等等我們能夠做跨部會更精緻更詳細跨部會的來聯繫來討論好不好是好謝謝好謝謝萬美玲萬委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們有請劉主委好 有請主委好 劉主委早主委您知不知道我們現在全球生育率最低的全球生育率最低在哪裡嗎就我了解是韓國再來是我們\n韓國再來是我們但是我們根據美國中央情報局世界開曠2024年全球生育率統計每位台灣女性平均只生1.1個小孩有時候生育率1.1再度纏連了全球最低\n那么我想我们政府其实在107年的7月我们有推出一个少死化对策的一个计划那么从107年到113年这个总预算经费高达了5026亿要来改善少死化的问题那么去年8月呢我们有再度修正计划这个延后一年到114年并增加了1254亿所以来到6280亿\n我們投入這麼多的這個這個經費預算進來計劃在走那為什麼我們的生育率還是全球倒數第一\n這個我們這個國會會有做過統計那三十歲以下沒有結婚對象的比例是非常高的那我們也透過教育部我想主委應該是這樣講啦這原因一定很多啦但是我們要去掌握嘛不管這個原因所佔的比例是多少但每一個原因我想應該要掌握我想會後這個主委去了解一下\n那但是我想投入這麼多的預算經費再下來了那今年2025年主委認為我們的生育率會不會再繼續纏連倒數第一目前就我了解少子化是我們陳時中委員現在正在訂114年到117年的四年計畫主委我只是問你說你覺得會還是不會繼續纏連這個倒數第一\n好我來告訴你好了我想要脫離這個倒數第一看起來其實並不樂觀啦因為我們來看到用數據說話我們內政部最新的統計今年的新生兒這個數量1月份的時候來到9495人2月1407人好我們再看到到了5月呢\n来到了8433人这个是历年单月新低历年单月的新低而且这个整个出生人数曾下降的一个趋势是非常明显的那么在过去这段时间当中我们甚至有两个月低于9000人跟去年平均每个月都破万人比较它是很显著的其实就是很大的落差一直在往下所以我们看到\n如果現在要來談提高生育率短時間應該是沒有辦法解決我相信主委應該也認同所以現實的狀況是我們在疫情過後這幾年缺工非常非常的嚴重所以世界各國都已經開始進行人才爭奪戰了那麼\n去年5月22号一样是在经济的联席的会议在这里那么我们寻答讨论过外国这个专业人才延揽及雇佣法的修正草案在当时我们朝野一致认为政府应该是要更积极的向海外来延揽专业人才并增加人才留台的诱因嘛这点诸位认同没有错嘛对不对好那为什么啊政院版的草案要延宕一年之久\n這個內部因為有很多的溝通跟協調因為牽扯的部會比較多啦那這具體的原因您了解嗎那上一次過的時候是委員會過了但是在院裡面並沒有被討論所以我們這次在捲土好 主委總之啊這麼急迫的問題我們已經當了這樣一年的時間了其實真的不應該啦好\n我们再来看到那媒体都有报道说在这一波人才竞逐当中其实我们是远远的在世界各国看起来我们都是落后的那主委有没有看过在瑞士洛桑管理学院发布2024年人才竞争力的排名你看过这份资料吗\n我沒有看過沒有 好我想台灣現在排名是第18名喔第18名喔略有進步一點點但是呢其實跟很多的國家比起來尤其跟我們自己亞洲看新加坡 香港其實我們都輸他喔所以我想喔我們現在喔\n其实在这些问题上面恐怕有很多的这些原因那当然包括我们在这些为什么会比较弱呢我们公共教育支出占GDP的比例其实也低劳动力成长率也低对外籍技术人才的吸引力也低生活成本等等很多的因素在所以我们今天来修外国人才延揽及雇佣办法我们现在是针对外籍技术人才的吸引力这个指标来看整体我想\n這個是只能提升人才的競爭力但是在攬財留財這個部分我們如果真的想要去提升人才競爭力的話恐怕還要整個政府跨部會來做所以我們也希望主委要再繼續加油更加的積極那麼同時我想等一下是不是能夠再請一下我們經濟部次長江次長主席\n那麼去年我想我們吸引這個我們一直以來都有這個計畫我們還是請主委我們先稍等一下這個次長我想我們吸引外籍人士來台跟留才之外我們還有一個很重要的問題\n很重要的重點是我們要防止台灣人才外流但是我們根據去年12月主計處發布的統計國人在2023年赴海外工作的人數高達62.1萬其中大專以上將近50萬人佔八成之多然後我們看到在疫情前\n其實陸續我們的人數大概都有70萬人其實在這個國外 海外的發展那我們要來防止我們人才外流其實我覺得國防會要再繼續努力好 我們來討論一件事情我們看到台積電現在宣布要到美國投資1650億美元那新建三座新晶園場然後兩座先進封裝設施還有一間是主要的研發中心\n我們來看了在2022年的時候我想我們這個次長一起台積電當時到這個美國鳳凰城去設廠那當時我們的經濟部長王美華說我們那個時候要外派將近500名的工程師三年的合約\n我來請教一下那個主委或者是次長都可以回答我們台積電現在要到美國看起來陸續要設置六個廠如果按照這樣很粗略的去算它那是不是代表我們要派可能陸續三千名的工程師到美國去會不會有這樣的狀況\n誰可以回答我從產業的角度來回答就這件事情來看會不會其實他也是他不會喔所以我們不會像之前這個台積電去鳳凰的設廠一項我們派了三百名公司五百名公司去第一個場的時候美國人是沒有經驗的他必須把有經驗的人派過去教導那坦白講我去過他裡面現場的我遇到的工程師大概都是有美國籍的有印度籍的\n好我今天提的是我們我今天提的倒不是世界各國去到那裡有多少人我提的是我們這邊的人才過去有沒有可能啊像上次我們一座廠我們就五百個人嘛那這一次有沒有可能因為六座廠陸續我們可不可能就是按照這個比例派了三千名公司去會不會這樣還是請市長回答一下任何公司一去一定是先把台灣懂的人去交交會了就會回來好那我接下來既然交會就回來我來請教一下那市長\n我們現在派去這500名工程師合約三年嘛那現在三年也要到了今年就要到了我們現在外派這些工程師都會回來嗎公司會做相關的調派但是其實在台灣台積電自己就有7萬名員工所以這個主要的人才還都是在台灣那這500名會回來嗎那你有沒有掌握說有多少名會回來這個必須要繼續跟問公司經濟部有掌握嗎\n國防會有掌握嗎這個我們不會掌握\n我們不會掌握嘛好 我想這個台積電到底有多少人我們這樣派出去會不會回來其實這是很重要的我希望不管我們經濟部像之前問國科會也不知道國發會我覺得我們是要掌握的我們既不能保證我們到台會不會陸續外派我們又不能保證外派以後他們會不會回來那這無形當中就是我們重要人才的一個流失所以我們今天在討論國內人才這個問題我們要持續吸引國際人才來台\n怎麼留下來怎麼去培育他那我們的人出去以後怎麼樣會不會回來我覺得這是一個整體性的問題所以今天呢我們把這個問題點出來我們也希望各部會在我們人才流台以及會不會回來等等我們能夠做跨部會更精緻更詳細跨部會的來聯繫來討論好不好是好謝謝好謝謝萬美玲萬委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.619 --> 00:27.356\n好謝謝主席我們有請劉主委好有請主委好劉主委早主委您知不知道我們現在全球生育率最低的全球生育率最低在哪裡嗎就我了解是韓國再來是我們\n\n00:29.624 --> 00:43.974\n韓國再來是我們但是我們根據美國中央情報局世界開曠2024年全球生育率統計每位台灣女性平均只生1.1個小孩有時候生育率1.1再度纏連了全球最低\n\n00:44.795 --> 01:04.705\n那么我想我们政府其实在107年的7月我们有推出一个少死化对策的一个计划那么从107年到113年这个总预算经费高达了5026亿要来改善少死化的问题那么去年8月呢我们有再度修正计划这个延后一年到114年并增加了1254亿所以来到6280亿\n\n01:09.207 --> 01:15.557\n我們投入這麼多的這個這個經費預算進來計劃在走那為什麼我們的生育率還是全球倒數第一\n\n01:16.955 --> 01:39.518\n這個我們這個國會會有做過統計那三十歲以下沒有結婚對象的比例是非常高的那我們也透過教育部我想主委應該是這樣講啦這原因一定很多啦但是我們要去掌握嘛不管這個原因所佔的比例是多少但每一個原因我想應該要掌握我想會後這個主委去了解一下\n\n01:40.379 --> 02:00.795\n那但是我想投入這麼多的預算經費再下來了那今年2025年主委認為我們的生育率會不會再繼續纏連倒數第一目前就我了解少子化是我們陳時中委員現在正在訂114年到117年的四年計畫主委我只是問你說你覺得會還是不會繼續纏連這個倒數第一\n\n02:05.439 --> 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