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00:00:27,296\n曾經在這個大院做未還總質詢5月6號的時候您有討論到院長很稱讚你啊那當時院長非常稱讚您說他知道您很重視彈性暈假這個議題那您也提到說現在的事辦計畫是有問題的所以你要重新調整但當時我們時間不足所以你沒有具體說你遇到最大的問題是什麼可以在這邊請教你嗎\n\n2\n00:00:29,905 --> 00:00:43,304\n其實的確這個應該是說談心暈留庭其實在談心暈留庭裡面其實要處理的幾個挑戰都包括對於很多的僱主來說他\n\n3\n00:00:45,447 --> 00:01:06,688\n要怎麼來應對可能這種比較臨時性的請假的需求他在人力調度上面需要怎麼樣的配套來去協助他尤其是台灣的中小企業比較多他在這個當他的員工數比較少的時候他要再做這種比較臨時性的調度的時候他遇到的挑戰會比較大我想這是這是你最主要的問題所以這是現在的問題\n\n4\n00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:38,300\n當時您在院長前面說所以事辦計畫做得不好那你會再調整並且一個月會給我報告可是其實已經過了一個月了那你會針對這個調整其實我們只是想知道說你要如何做這個最大的調整去修正我還是因為其實關心的委員很多第一個我們還是在希望這個方向就是能夠縮短能夠申請的日數他的日數的間隔那個單位能夠\n\n5\n00:01:38,660 --> 00:01:52,045\n再更縮短這是第一個那第二個就是說剛剛兼顧說那我們要怎麼兼顧尤其是剛才說到台灣很多中小企業的雇主他在會在臨時性的人力排班上面我們要怎麼去協助他那\n\n6\n00:01:54,195 --> 00:02:19,080\n避免比方說這個如果這個部分沒有弄好可能很多雇主還是會用各種方式不想要讓讓員工來請休所以他需要一個配套讓這件事情的執行性可行性能夠更高那您會有一個進度嗎因為當時您說你要改版再重新提出來可是我們不知道您這個改版的進度您預期什麼時候推出\n\n7\n00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:43,898\n新的事辦計劃跟委員報告其實我們其實現在是也在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源目前正在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源那我們也希望盡快但確實這個政策之所以歷經了這麼多任的部長一個很重要的原因確實是因為他需要處理的關卡還不少\n\n8\n00:02:45,066 --> 00:02:53,985\n包括執行面上面的關卡包括行政端上面的關卡其實還不少所以我們現在也一個一個在把這些關卡要把它給解開\n\n9\n00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:14,016\n所以你其實你還沒有一個進度的計畫表啦因為你要慢慢的把它解開絕對不是慢慢的我說我們希望競速而且我希望都可以在這個也許希望到這個夏天我們就能夠做一些相關的讓大家公布\n\n10\n00:03:16,858 --> 00:03:31,023\n那下一個這邊要先稱讚您因為你看歷年來育嬰留庭幾戶的金額其實是在升高的表示他是往一個正向的發展但是針對就業保險法第19之2條要嚴密將育嬰津貼從6個月延長到7個月這個修法的進度第一想問這個修法進度如何第二是有蠻多人去反映說怕看得到吃不到因為必須同時\n\n11\n00:03:46,848 --> 00:04:14,350\n雙方都請了六個月才可以來延長到這第七個月那實際上真的雙方有達到六個月的你有統計出來嗎是很少的大概有兩萬多個人兩萬多個人對所以兩萬二點一萬個爸爸媽媽來取得這個第七個月的育兒津貼對對現行的資料那想問您這個修法進度如何\n\n12\n00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:26,985\n因為這個要涉及到修舊保我們目前預計應該是在下半年或者是在年底前我們希望能夠跟行政院提出舊保修法的版本\n\n13\n00:04:27,523 --> 00:04:49,585\n好那我們等一下來討論一下是不是實際會幫助到這個申請的人增加因為你其實就是要提供誘因嘛好那第一個我想提供部長一個新的數據也就是台灣的離婚率一直在節節的上升目前是亞洲第二高去年我們就五萬多對\n\n14\n00:04:50,826 --> 00:05:15,639\n離婚那統計起來呢每一天平均是有146對離婚所以我是想爭取包括未來部長也很在意的人工生殖法也許會有單身的女性想要自己生小孩你會不會考慮你在做這個育嬰或是延長到七個月等等也可以含瓜進去單親家庭的這個範疇\n\n15\n00:05:17,321 --> 00:05:27,642\n要不要來你如果現在你現在如果你可以可以請申請運營留庭的就會有相關的權益啊是我說未來這個新的族群\n\n16\n00:05:28,936 --> 00:05:56,816\n就是說當我們人工生殖法如果修過了之後你只要是你只要有育嬰留庭的你就可以有相關的權益啊好我並沒有這個並沒有限對就是你有育嬰留庭的就可以有好因為這等一下我們再來講你的報告你的報告裡面其實是有列出有婚姻狀態或者是分居或者是離婚的狀態等等所申請育嬰留庭的數據好沒關係等一下我們再看就好了\n\n17\n00:05:57,236 --> 00:06:09,005\n那第二個我們來看一下這個表格你會不會覺得男跟女來申請這個合附的件數這個差距你想要怎麼樣把它縮短\n\n18\n00:06:11,513 --> 00:06:29,872\n根本說明就目前我們從統計的數字上看得到如果把請領可以申請的這個天數縮短男性申請的比例就會很明顯的上升比方說之前我們從原本因為留庭只能一次請六個月到應該是111年\n\n19\n00:06:32,753 --> 00:06:59,527\n110年當時110年的時候改成最短是可以用月來請的時候這個制度的變革就讓男性申請的比例提高蠻多的所以我們預計如果可以把它再更縮短可以請這個申請的天數的話男性申請的比例還會再提高所以今年夏天到年底以前你把它改得更彈性你會預計男女的比例會縮短我認為會\n\n20\n00:07:00,347 --> 00:07:27,481\n好是但我們還有一個結構性的問題啦當然就是要提到這個114年同酬日是2月27日也就是說女性需要比男性多工作58天才可以達到全年相同的薪資比較去年的2月25日其實是延後兩天的因此這個也有可能是一個變數那為什麼說這個是你需要分析的數據呢就是\n\n21\n00:07:30,402 --> 00:07:43,848\n113年勞動部最新的調查報告你們把育嬰留庭的申請人的數據做一個很好的分析但是但是我在這邊要指出一個很具體的問題\n\n22\n00:07:45,590 --> 00:08:06,023\n這樣子的分析如果在大學拿給這個教授看教授可能沒有辦法很認可也不是一個很好的論文你的男性只有分四項第一個是有12歲以下子女然後第二個有未滿3歲子女子女均在3歲以上沒有然後沒有就這樣子\n\n23\n00:08:06,923 --> 00:08:21,423\n女性的話你們是做得很具姓名義喔年齡層就分了五項教育程度從國中以下一直到研究所婚姻狀態那我當然也是從這邊看到你這邊婚姻狀態的話申請孕流亭的是非常非常少的關於\n\n24\n00:08:22,684 --> 00:08:51,423\n離婚上偶或是分居等等然後小孩的年紀有幾位小孩每月的薪資薪資還分成七八個級距有沒有特殊身份然後你還把女性分的職業別非常詳細裡面還包括名義代表農林漁牧業機械什麼非常多大概有十項然後行業別行業別至少就有二十項公司的所在地就有四個地區的分別\n\n25\n00:08:51,963 --> 00:09:18,842\n然後還細分說他們是不是有遇到雇主刁難啊離職啊歧視不平等待遇還有是不是因為擔心收入減少擔心失去工作業務繁忙等等這個會不會不管是從性別的角度來看或者是你想要解決問題的角度來看分析數據你以後對你政策的推動或是革新會不會覺得這樣子的分類好像不太公平\n\n26\n00:09:19,571 --> 00:09:22,921\n那個人這個這個資料應該是不是是行政信憑會我請\n\n27\n00:09:26,675 --> 00:09:53,363\n因為當時行政院憲評會會希望我們勞動部在調查的時候針對女性一些相關的個別的包含剛剛委員提到的年齡啊教育程度婚姻狀況等等會希望我們並同在本來我們其實是針對有育兒的那個小孩的歲數的調查裡面那併進去去了解女性這邊的相關的狀況所以才會有委員您看到我們的調查裡面為什麼男女的項目別會有差異\n\n28\n00:09:55,063 --> 00:10:18,531\n這大概差了十萬八千里但您剛剛其實一直強調你的政策是希望男生也要請嘛男性也要請而且是多請可是你這樣的數據可能沒辦法協助你了解一些資訊啊如果你可以把兩邊的數據都做得一樣這樣不是可以更方便嗎我舉前幾天衛福部的案例他們的十大死因自殺率\n\n29\n00:10:19,909 --> 00:10:43,002\n跑到十大以前沒有他們就開始分年齡層分男女去分析結果每一個年齡層包括性別他的原因是不同的所以如果你沒有知道說為何男生跟女生會有差距然後他在意的點是什麼他是不是薪資結構不同學歷不同而申請育嬰假有所差別這樣你如何去修改你的\n\n30\n00:10:43,702 --> 00:11:08,111\n這些政策呢這樣好不好因為其實剛才就像市長說就是之所以女性會統計到這麼細當時是因為性評會裡面要求女性的地方希望特別再做更細但的確我也覺得如果女性的部分做得到這麼細的統計那其實男性的部分要比照我認為也是合理的事情所以這部分我們在統計的過程裡面我們就來把項目做得更細我想這沒有問題好那我就期待您明年的報告好嗎好謝謝\n\n31\n00:11:09,693 --> 00:11:34,298\n再來我是想提醒這個是我們在高速公路上有可能會看到臨時或是例行的路面修護必須要有的這個緩撞車或是緩衝車但是我們看右邊的數據你會覺得非常可怕因為從110年到113年他逐年事故的案件是上升那除了上升以外你也會在新聞上看到不只是追撞的駕駛會傷亡作業的勞工也會有傷亡\n\n32\n00:11:37,099 --> 00:11:54,820\n像四月就有一名這個工人同時跟駕駛當場就身亡了那我們會想要知道說像這樣子的緩衝車都是編制外的他就是民間的自行購買或是委外承攬的可是我們有求證過交通部交通部的道路管理規範裡面\n\n33\n00:11:56,041 --> 00:11:58,844\n他有針對這個緩衝車做出指導比如說這個車屁股後面多長要放出警示多長的距離要引導車流變化然後500公尺為限制等等的那比起來呢\n\n34\n00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:34,393\n這個緩衝車我們有一個叫做高空作業車職安署就有很詳細的去做有高空吊掛或是懸吊的勞工是不是要怎麼管理還有約束雇主來確保安全是不是在這邊可以具體的建議你要不要對這樣子的緩衝車也來做一個作業的安全管理指引呢\n\n35\n00:12:36,221 --> 00:12:49,041\n跟委員報告謝謝關於這個議題這個確實涉及到交通安全跟職業安全所以我們後面會再跟交通部這邊來洽商是不是請你方便一個月跟交通部有所聯繫嗎\n\n36\n00:12:50,942 --> 00:13:16,482\n一個月聯繫沒問題那如果要訂定這個相關的職業可能要再給我們一段時間我知道那一個月可以跟您要一個報告你會朝哪一些方向這個是幫您找出來的就各種不同的職業他們會訂出比如在國道工作的人可能會對於保護眼睛是不是被砂石噴到噪音但是又同時可以知道後面是不是有車子以及背心頭盔安全鞋等等這一類的\n\n37\n00:13:19,602 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00:13:37,089\n好那我想我覺得跟文說我會請展署我們就一個月內跟交通部聯絡那跟交通部聯絡那先初步一些會商那怎麼把這個部分再做一些精進我們會把初步的跟交通部會商的結果再跟文說明好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n429\t27296\t曾經在這個大院做未還總質詢5月6號的時候您有討論到院長很稱讚你啊那當時院長非常稱讚您說他知道您很重視彈性暈假這個議題那您也提到說現在的事辦計畫是有問題的所以你要重新調整但當時我們時間不足所以你沒有具體說你遇到最大的問題是什麼可以在這邊請教你嗎\n29905\t43304\t其實的確這個應該是說談心暈留庭其實在談心暈留庭裡面其實要處理的幾個挑戰都包括對於很多的僱主來說他\n45447\t66688\t要怎麼來應對可能這種比較臨時性的請假的需求他在人力調度上面需要怎麼樣的配套來去協助他尤其是台灣的中小企業比較多他在這個當他的員工數比較少的時候他要再做這種比較臨時性的調度的時候他遇到的挑戰會比較大我想這是這是你最主要的問題所以這是現在的問題\n69570\t98300\t當時您在院長前面說所以事辦計畫做得不好那你會再調整並且一個月會給我報告可是其實已經過了一個月了那你會針對這個調整其實我們只是想知道說你要如何做這個最大的調整去修正我還是因為其實關心的委員很多第一個我們還是在希望這個方向就是能夠縮短能夠申請的日數他的日數的間隔那個單位能夠\n98660\t112045\t再更縮短這是第一個那第二個就是說剛剛兼顧說那我們要怎麼兼顧尤其是剛才說到台灣很多中小企業的雇主他在會在臨時性的人力排班上面我們要怎麼去協助他那\n114195\t139080\t避免比方說這個如果這個部分沒有弄好可能很多雇主還是會用各種方式不想要讓讓員工來請休所以他需要一個配套讓這件事情的執行性可行性能夠更高那您會有一個進度嗎因為當時您說你要改版再重新提出來可是我們不知道您這個改版的進度您預期什麼時候推出\n139680\t163898\t新的事辦計劃跟委員報告其實我們其實現在是也在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源目前正在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源那我們也希望盡快但確實這個政策之所以歷經了這麼多任的部長一個很重要的原因確實是因為他需要處理的關卡還不少\n165066\t173985\t包括執行面上面的關卡包括行政端上面的關卡其實還不少所以我們現在也一個一個在把這些關卡要把它給解開\n175560\t194016\t所以你其實你還沒有一個進度的計畫表啦因為你要慢慢的把它解開絕對不是慢慢的我說我們希望競速而且我希望都可以在這個也許希望到這個夏天我們就能夠做一些相關的讓大家公布\n196858\t211023\t那下一個這邊要先稱讚您因為你看歷年來育嬰留庭幾戶的金額其實是在升高的表示他是往一個正向的發展但是針對就業保險法第19之2條要嚴密將育嬰津貼從6個月延長到7個月這個修法的進度第一想問這個修法進度如何第二是有蠻多人去反映說怕看得到吃不到因為必須同時\n226848\t254350\t雙方都請了六個月才可以來延長到這第七個月那實際上真的雙方有達到六個月的你有統計出來嗎 是很少的大概有兩萬多個人兩萬多個人 對所以兩萬 二點一萬個爸爸媽媽來取得這個第七個月的育兒津貼對對 現行的資料那想問您這個修法進度如何\n256330\t266985\t因為這個要涉及到修舊保我們目前預計應該是在下半年或者是在年底前我們希望能夠跟行政院提出舊保修法的版本\n267523\t289585\t好那我們等一下來討論一下是不是實際會幫助到這個申請的人增加因為你其實就是要提供誘因嘛好那第一個我想提供部長一個新的數據也就是台灣的離婚率一直在節節的上升目前是亞洲第二高去年我們就五萬多對\n290826\t315639\t離婚那統計起來呢每一天平均是有146對離婚所以我是想爭取包括未來部長也很在意的人工生殖法也許會有單身的女性想要自己生小孩你會不會考慮你在做這個育嬰或是延長到七個月等等也可以含瓜進去單親家庭的這個範疇\n317321\t327642\t要不要來你如果現在你現在如果你可以可以請申請運營留庭的就會有相關的權益啊是我說未來這個新的族群\n328936\t356816\t就是說當我們人工生殖法如果修過了之後你只要是你只要有育嬰留庭的你就可以有相關的權益啊好我並沒有這個並沒有限對就是你有育嬰留庭的就可以有好因為這等一下我們再來講你的報告你的報告裡面其實是有列出有婚姻狀態或者是分居或者是離婚的狀態等等所申請育嬰留庭的數據好沒關係等一下我們再看就好了\n357236\t369005\t那第二個我們來看一下這個表格你會不會覺得男跟女來申請這個合附的件數這個差距你想要怎麼樣把它縮短\n371513\t389872\t根本說明就目前我們從統計的數字上看得到如果把請領可以申請的這個天數縮短男性申請的比例就會很明顯的上升比方說之前我們從原本因為留庭只能一次請六個月到應該是111年\n392753\t419527\t110年當時110年的時候改成最短是可以用月來請的時候這個制度的變革就讓男性申請的比例提高蠻多的所以我們預計如果可以把它再更縮短可以請這個申請的天數的話男性申請的比例還會再提高所以今年夏天到年底以前你把它改得更彈性你會預計男女的比例會縮短我認為會\n420347\t447481\t好是但我們還有一個結構性的問題啦當然就是要提到這個114年同酬日是2月27日也就是說女性需要比男性多工作58天才可以達到全年相同的薪資比較去年的2月25日其實是延後兩天的因此這個也有可能是一個變數那為什麼說這個是你需要分析的數據呢就是\n450402\t463848\t113年勞動部最新的調查報告你們把育嬰留庭的申請人的數據做一個很好的分析但是但是我在這邊要指出一個很具體的問題\n465590\t486023\t這樣子的分析如果在大學拿給這個教授看教授可能沒有辦法很認可也不是一個很好的論文你的男性只有分四項第一個是有12歲以下子女然後第二個有未滿3歲子女子女均在3歲以上沒有然後沒有就這樣子\n486923\t501423\t女性的話你們是做得很具姓名義喔年齡層就分了五項教育程度從國中以下一直到研究所婚姻狀態那我當然也是從這邊看到你這邊婚姻狀態的話申請孕流亭的是非常非常少的關於\n502684\t531423\t離婚上偶或是分居等等然後小孩的年紀有幾位小孩每月的薪資薪資還分成七八個級距有沒有特殊身份然後你還把女性分的職業別非常詳細裡面還包括名義代表農林漁牧業機械什麼非常多大概有十項然後行業別行業別至少就有二十項公司的所在地就有四個地區的分別\n531963\t558842\t然後還細分說他們是不是有遇到雇主刁難啊離職啊歧視不平等待遇還有是不是因為擔心收入減少擔心失去工作業務繁忙等等這個會不會不管是從性別的角度來看或者是你想要解決問題的角度來看分析數據你以後對你政策的推動或是革新會不會覺得這樣子的分類好像不太公平\n559571\t562921\t那個人這個這個資料應該是不是是行政信憑會我請\n566675\t593363\t因為當時行政院憲評會會希望我們勞動部在調查的時候針對女性一些相關的個別的包含剛剛委員提到的年齡啊教育程度婚姻狀況等等會希望我們並同在本來我們其實是針對有育兒的那個小孩的歲數的調查裡面那併進去去了解女性這邊的相關的狀況所以才會有委員您看到我們的調查裡面為什麼男女的項目別會有差異\n595063\t618531\t這大概差了十萬八千里但您剛剛其實一直強調你的政策是希望男生也要請嘛男性也要請而且是多請可是你這樣的數據可能沒辦法協助你了解一些資訊啊如果你可以把兩邊的數據都做得一樣這樣不是可以更方便嗎我舉前幾天衛福部的案例他們的十大死因自殺率\n619909\t643002\t跑到十大以前沒有他們就開始分年齡層分男女去分析結果每一個年齡層包括性別他的原因是不同的所以如果你沒有知道說為何男生跟女生會有差距然後他在意的點是什麼他是不是薪資結構不同學歷不同而申請育嬰假有所差別這樣你如何去修改你的\n643702\t668111\t這些政策呢這樣好不好 因為其實剛才就像市長說就是之所以女性會統計到這麼細當時是因為性評會裡面要求女性的地方希望特別再做更細但的確我也覺得如果女性的部分做得到這麼細的統計那其實男性的部分要比照我認為也是合理的事情所以這部分我們在統計的過程裡面我們就來把項目做得更細我想這沒有問題好 那我就期待您明年的報告好嗎好 謝謝\n669693\t694298\t再來我是想提醒這個是我們在高速公路上有可能會看到臨時或是例行的路面修護必須要有的這個緩撞車或是緩衝車但是我們看右邊的數據你會覺得非常可怕因為從110年到113年他逐年事故的案件是上升那除了上升以外你也會在新聞上看到不只是追撞的駕駛會傷亡作業的勞工也會有傷亡\n697099\t714820\t像四月就有一名這個工人同時跟駕駛當場就身亡了那我們會想要知道說像這樣子的緩衝車都是編制外的他就是民間的自行購買或是委外承攬的可是我們有求證過交通部交通部的道路管理規範裡面\n716041\t718844\t他有針對這個緩衝車做出指導比如說這個車屁股後面多長要放出警示多長的距離要引導車流變化然後500公尺為限制等等的那比起來呢\n732559\t754393\t這個緩衝車我們有一個叫做高空作業車職安署就有很詳細的去做有高空吊掛或是懸吊的勞工是不是要怎麼管理還有約束雇主來確保安全是不是在這邊可以具體的建議你要不要對這樣子的緩衝車也來做一個作業的安全管理指引呢\n756221\t769041\t跟委員報告 謝謝 關於這個議題這個確實涉及到交通安全跟職業安全所以我們後面會再跟交通部這邊來洽商是不是請你方便一個月跟交通部有所聯繫嗎\n770942\t796482\t一個月聯繫沒問題那如果要訂定這個相關的職業可能要再給我們一段時間我知道 那一個月可以跟您要一個報告你會朝哪一些方向這個是幫您找出來的就各種不同的職業他們會訂出比如在國道工作的人可能會對於保護眼睛是不是被砂石噴到噪音但是又同時可以知道後面是不是有車子以及背心 頭盔 安全鞋等等這一類的\n799602\t817089\t好 那我想 我覺得跟文說我會請展署我們就一個月內 跟交通部聯絡那跟交通部聯絡 那先初步一些會商那怎麼把這個部分再做一些精進我們會把初步的跟交通部會商的結果再跟文說明好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n","txt":"曾經在這個大院做未還總質詢5月6號的時候您有討論到院長很稱讚你啊那當時院長非常稱讚您說他知道您很重視彈性暈假這個議題那您也提到說現在的事辦計畫是有問題的所以你要重新調整但當時我們時間不足所以你沒有具體說你遇到最大的問題是什麼可以在這邊請教你嗎\n其實的確這個應該是說談心暈留庭其實在談心暈留庭裡面其實要處理的幾個挑戰都包括對於很多的僱主來說他\n要怎麼來應對可能這種比較臨時性的請假的需求他在人力調度上面需要怎麼樣的配套來去協助他尤其是台灣的中小企業比較多他在這個當他的員工數比較少的時候他要再做這種比較臨時性的調度的時候他遇到的挑戰會比較大我想這是這是你最主要的問題所以這是現在的問題\n當時您在院長前面說所以事辦計畫做得不好那你會再調整並且一個月會給我報告可是其實已經過了一個月了那你會針對這個調整其實我們只是想知道說你要如何做這個最大的調整去修正我還是因為其實關心的委員很多第一個我們還是在希望這個方向就是能夠縮短能夠申請的日數他的日數的間隔那個單位能夠\n再更縮短這是第一個那第二個就是說剛剛兼顧說那我們要怎麼兼顧尤其是剛才說到台灣很多中小企業的雇主他在會在臨時性的人力排班上面我們要怎麼去協助他那\n避免比方說這個如果這個部分沒有弄好可能很多雇主還是會用各種方式不想要讓讓員工來請休所以他需要一個配套讓這件事情的執行性可行性能夠更高那您會有一個進度嗎因為當時您說你要改版再重新提出來可是我們不知道您這個改版的進度您預期什麼時候推出\n新的事辦計劃跟委員報告其實我們其實現在是也在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源目前正在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源那我們也希望盡快但確實這個政策之所以歷經了這麼多任的部長一個很重要的原因確實是因為他需要處理的關卡還不少\n包括執行面上面的關卡包括行政端上面的關卡其實還不少所以我們現在也一個一個在把這些關卡要把它給解開\n所以你其實你還沒有一個進度的計畫表啦因為你要慢慢的把它解開絕對不是慢慢的我說我們希望競速而且我希望都可以在這個也許希望到這個夏天我們就能夠做一些相關的讓大家公布\n那下一個這邊要先稱讚您因為你看歷年來育嬰留庭幾戶的金額其實是在升高的表示他是往一個正向的發展但是針對就業保險法第19之2條要嚴密將育嬰津貼從6個月延長到7個月這個修法的進度第一想問這個修法進度如何第二是有蠻多人去反映說怕看得到吃不到因為必須同時\n雙方都請了六個月才可以來延長到這第七個月那實際上真的雙方有達到六個月的你有統計出來嗎 是很少的大概有兩萬多個人兩萬多個人 對所以兩萬 二點一萬個爸爸媽媽來取得這個第七個月的育兒津貼對對 現行的資料那想問您這個修法進度如何\n因為這個要涉及到修舊保我們目前預計應該是在下半年或者是在年底前我們希望能夠跟行政院提出舊保修法的版本\n好那我們等一下來討論一下是不是實際會幫助到這個申請的人增加因為你其實就是要提供誘因嘛好那第一個我想提供部長一個新的數據也就是台灣的離婚率一直在節節的上升目前是亞洲第二高去年我們就五萬多對\n離婚那統計起來呢每一天平均是有146對離婚所以我是想爭取包括未來部長也很在意的人工生殖法也許會有單身的女性想要自己生小孩你會不會考慮你在做這個育嬰或是延長到七個月等等也可以含瓜進去單親家庭的這個範疇\n要不要來你如果現在你現在如果你可以可以請申請運營留庭的就會有相關的權益啊是我說未來這個新的族群\n就是說當我們人工生殖法如果修過了之後你只要是你只要有育嬰留庭的你就可以有相關的權益啊好我並沒有這個並沒有限對就是你有育嬰留庭的就可以有好因為這等一下我們再來講你的報告你的報告裡面其實是有列出有婚姻狀態或者是分居或者是離婚的狀態等等所申請育嬰留庭的數據好沒關係等一下我們再看就好了\n那第二個我們來看一下這個表格你會不會覺得男跟女來申請這個合附的件數這個差距你想要怎麼樣把它縮短\n根本說明就目前我們從統計的數字上看得到如果把請領可以申請的這個天數縮短男性申請的比例就會很明顯的上升比方說之前我們從原本因為留庭只能一次請六個月到應該是111年\n110年當時110年的時候改成最短是可以用月來請的時候這個制度的變革就讓男性申請的比例提高蠻多的所以我們預計如果可以把它再更縮短可以請這個申請的天數的話男性申請的比例還會再提高所以今年夏天到年底以前你把它改得更彈性你會預計男女的比例會縮短我認為會\n好是但我們還有一個結構性的問題啦當然就是要提到這個114年同酬日是2月27日也就是說女性需要比男性多工作58天才可以達到全年相同的薪資比較去年的2月25日其實是延後兩天的因此這個也有可能是一個變數那為什麼說這個是你需要分析的數據呢就是\n113年勞動部最新的調查報告你們把育嬰留庭的申請人的數據做一個很好的分析但是但是我在這邊要指出一個很具體的問題\n這樣子的分析如果在大學拿給這個教授看教授可能沒有辦法很認可也不是一個很好的論文你的男性只有分四項第一個是有12歲以下子女然後第二個有未滿3歲子女子女均在3歲以上沒有然後沒有就這樣子\n女性的話你們是做得很具姓名義喔年齡層就分了五項教育程度從國中以下一直到研究所婚姻狀態那我當然也是從這邊看到你這邊婚姻狀態的話申請孕流亭的是非常非常少的關於\n離婚上偶或是分居等等然後小孩的年紀有幾位小孩每月的薪資薪資還分成七八個級距有沒有特殊身份然後你還把女性分的職業別非常詳細裡面還包括名義代表農林漁牧業機械什麼非常多大概有十項然後行業別行業別至少就有二十項公司的所在地就有四個地區的分別\n然後還細分說他們是不是有遇到雇主刁難啊離職啊歧視不平等待遇還有是不是因為擔心收入減少擔心失去工作業務繁忙等等這個會不會不管是從性別的角度來看或者是你想要解決問題的角度來看分析數據你以後對你政策的推動或是革新會不會覺得這樣子的分類好像不太公平\n那個人這個這個資料應該是不是是行政信憑會我請\n因為當時行政院憲評會會希望我們勞動部在調查的時候針對女性一些相關的個別的包含剛剛委員提到的年齡啊教育程度婚姻狀況等等會希望我們並同在本來我們其實是針對有育兒的那個小孩的歲數的調查裡面那併進去去了解女性這邊的相關的狀況所以才會有委員您看到我們的調查裡面為什麼男女的項目別會有差異\n這大概差了十萬八千里但您剛剛其實一直強調你的政策是希望男生也要請嘛男性也要請而且是多請可是你這樣的數據可能沒辦法協助你了解一些資訊啊如果你可以把兩邊的數據都做得一樣這樣不是可以更方便嗎我舉前幾天衛福部的案例他們的十大死因自殺率\n跑到十大以前沒有他們就開始分年齡層分男女去分析結果每一個年齡層包括性別他的原因是不同的所以如果你沒有知道說為何男生跟女生會有差距然後他在意的點是什麼他是不是薪資結構不同學歷不同而申請育嬰假有所差別這樣你如何去修改你的\n這些政策呢這樣好不好 因為其實剛才就像市長說就是之所以女性會統計到這麼細當時是因為性評會裡面要求女性的地方希望特別再做更細但的確我也覺得如果女性的部分做得到這麼細的統計那其實男性的部分要比照我認為也是合理的事情所以這部分我們在統計的過程裡面我們就來把項目做得更細我想這沒有問題好 那我就期待您明年的報告好嗎好 謝謝\n再來我是想提醒這個是我們在高速公路上有可能會看到臨時或是例行的路面修護必須要有的這個緩撞車或是緩衝車但是我們看右邊的數據你會覺得非常可怕因為從110年到113年他逐年事故的案件是上升那除了上升以外你也會在新聞上看到不只是追撞的駕駛會傷亡作業的勞工也會有傷亡\n像四月就有一名這個工人同時跟駕駛當場就身亡了那我們會想要知道說像這樣子的緩衝車都是編制外的他就是民間的自行購買或是委外承攬的可是我們有求證過交通部交通部的道路管理規範裡面\n他有針對這個緩衝車做出指導比如說這個車屁股後面多長要放出警示多長的距離要引導車流變化然後500公尺為限制等等的那比起來呢\n這個緩衝車我們有一個叫做高空作業車職安署就有很詳細的去做有高空吊掛或是懸吊的勞工是不是要怎麼管理還有約束雇主來確保安全是不是在這邊可以具體的建議你要不要對這樣子的緩衝車也來做一個作業的安全管理指引呢\n跟委員報告 謝謝 關於這個議題這個確實涉及到交通安全跟職業安全所以我們後面會再跟交通部這邊來洽商是不是請你方便一個月跟交通部有所聯繫嗎\n一個月聯繫沒問題那如果要訂定這個相關的職業可能要再給我們一段時間我知道 那一個月可以跟您要一個報告你會朝哪一些方向這個是幫您找出來的就各種不同的職業他們會訂出比如在國道工作的人可能會對於保護眼睛是不是被砂石噴到噪音但是又同時可以知道後面是不是有車子以及背心 頭盔 安全鞋等等這一類的\n好 那我想 我覺得跟文說我會請展署我們就一個月內 跟交通部聯絡那跟交通部聯絡 那先初步一些會商那怎麼把這個部分再做一些精進我們會把初步的跟交通部會商的結果再跟文說明好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.429 --> 00:27.296\n曾經在這個大院做未還總質詢5月6號的時候您有討論到院長很稱讚你啊那當時院長非常稱讚您說他知道您很重視彈性暈假這個議題那您也提到說現在的事辦計畫是有問題的所以你要重新調整但當時我們時間不足所以你沒有具體說你遇到最大的問題是什麼可以在這邊請教你嗎\n\n00:29.905 --> 00:43.304\n其實的確這個應該是說談心暈留庭其實在談心暈留庭裡面其實要處理的幾個挑戰都包括對於很多的僱主來說他\n\n00:45.447 --> 01:06.688\n要怎麼來應對可能這種比較臨時性的請假的需求他在人力調度上面需要怎麼樣的配套來去協助他尤其是台灣的中小企業比較多他在這個當他的員工數比較少的時候他要再做這種比較臨時性的調度的時候他遇到的挑戰會比較大我想這是這是你最主要的問題所以這是現在的問題\n\n01:09.570 --> 01:38.300\n當時您在院長前面說所以事辦計畫做得不好那你會再調整並且一個月會給我報告可是其實已經過了一個月了那你會針對這個調整其實我們只是想知道說你要如何做這個最大的調整去修正我還是因為其實關心的委員很多第一個我們還是在希望這個方向就是能夠縮短能夠申請的日數他的日數的間隔那個單位能夠\n\n01:38.660 --> 01:52.045\n再更縮短這是第一個那第二個就是說剛剛兼顧說那我們要怎麼兼顧尤其是剛才說到台灣很多中小企業的雇主他在會在臨時性的人力排班上面我們要怎麼去協助他那\n\n01:54.195 --> 02:19.080\n避免比方說這個如果這個部分沒有弄好可能很多雇主還是會用各種方式不想要讓讓員工來請休所以他需要一個配套讓這件事情的執行性可行性能夠更高那您會有一個進度嗎因為當時您說你要改版再重新提出來可是我們不知道您這個改版的進度您預期什麼時候推出\n\n02:19.680 --> 02:43.898\n新的事辦計劃跟委員報告其實我們其實現在是也在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源目前正在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源那我們也希望盡快但確實這個政策之所以歷經了這麼多任的部長一個很重要的原因確實是因為他需要處理的關卡還不少\n\n02:45.066 --> 02:53.985\n包括執行面上面的關卡包括行政端上面的關卡其實還不少所以我們現在也一個一個在把這些關卡要把它給解開\n\n02:55.560 --> 03:14.016\n所以你其實你還沒有一個進度的計畫表啦因為你要慢慢的把它解開絕對不是慢慢的我說我們希望競速而且我希望都可以在這個也許希望到這個夏天我們就能夠做一些相關的讓大家公布\n\n03:16.858 --> 03:31.023\n那下一個這邊要先稱讚您因為你看歷年來育嬰留庭幾戶的金額其實是在升高的表示他是往一個正向的發展但是針對就業保險法第19之2條要嚴密將育嬰津貼從6個月延長到7個月這個修法的進度第一想問這個修法進度如何第二是有蠻多人去反映說怕看得到吃不到因為必須同時\n\n03:46.848 --> 04:14.350\n雙方都請了六個月才可以來延長到這第七個月那實際上真的雙方有達到六個月的你有統計出來嗎是很少的大概有兩萬多個人兩萬多個人對所以兩萬二點一萬個爸爸媽媽來取得這個第七個月的育兒津貼對對現行的資料那想問您這個修法進度如何\n\n04:16.330 --> 04:26.985\n因為這個要涉及到修舊保我們目前預計應該是在下半年或者是在年底前我們希望能夠跟行政院提出舊保修法的版本\n\n04:27.523 --> 04:49.585\n好那我們等一下來討論一下是不是實際會幫助到這個申請的人增加因為你其實就是要提供誘因嘛好那第一個我想提供部長一個新的數據也就是台灣的離婚率一直在節節的上升目前是亞洲第二高去年我們就五萬多對\n\n04:50.826 --> 05:15.639\n離婚那統計起來呢每一天平均是有146對離婚所以我是想爭取包括未來部長也很在意的人工生殖法也許會有單身的女性想要自己生小孩你會不會考慮你在做這個育嬰或是延長到七個月等等也可以含瓜進去單親家庭的這個範疇\n\n05:17.321 --> 05:27.642\n要不要來你如果現在你現在如果你可以可以請申請運營留庭的就會有相關的權益啊是我說未來這個新的族群\n\n05:28.936 --> 05:56.816\n就是說當我們人工生殖法如果修過了之後你只要是你只要有育嬰留庭的你就可以有相關的權益啊好我並沒有這個並沒有限對就是你有育嬰留庭的就可以有好因為這等一下我們再來講你的報告你的報告裡面其實是有列出有婚姻狀態或者是分居或者是離婚的狀態等等所申請育嬰留庭的數據好沒關係等一下我們再看就好了\n\n05:57.236 --> 06:09.005\n那第二個我們來看一下這個表格你會不會覺得男跟女來申請這個合附的件數這個差距你想要怎麼樣把它縮短\n\n06:11.513 --> 06:29.872\n根本說明就目前我們從統計的數字上看得到如果把請領可以申請的這個天數縮短男性申請的比例就會很明顯的上升比方說之前我們從原本因為留庭只能一次請六個月到應該是111年\n\n06:32.753 --> 06:59.527\n110年當時110年的時候改成最短是可以用月來請的時候這個制度的變革就讓男性申請的比例提高蠻多的所以我們預計如果可以把它再更縮短可以請這個申請的天數的話男性申請的比例還會再提高所以今年夏天到年底以前你把它改得更彈性你會預計男女的比例會縮短我認為會\n\n07:00.347 --> 07:27.481\n好是但我們還有一個結構性的問題啦當然就是要提到這個114年同酬日是2月27日也就是說女性需要比男性多工作58天才可以達到全年相同的薪資比較去年的2月25日其實是延後兩天的因此這個也有可能是一個變數那為什麼說這個是你需要分析的數據呢就是\n\n07:30.402 --> 07:43.848\n113年勞動部最新的調查報告你們把育嬰留庭的申請人的數據做一個很好的分析但是但是我在這邊要指出一個很具體的問題\n\n07:45.590 --> 08:06.023\n這樣子的分析如果在大學拿給這個教授看教授可能沒有辦法很認可也不是一個很好的論文你的男性只有分四項第一個是有12歲以下子女然後第二個有未滿3歲子女子女均在3歲以上沒有然後沒有就這樣子\n\n08:06.923 --> 08:21.423\n女性的話你們是做得很具姓名義喔年齡層就分了五項教育程度從國中以下一直到研究所婚姻狀態那我當然也是從這邊看到你這邊婚姻狀態的話申請孕流亭的是非常非常少的關於\n\n08:22.684 --> 08:51.423\n離婚上偶或是分居等等然後小孩的年紀有幾位小孩每月的薪資薪資還分成七八個級距有沒有特殊身份然後你還把女性分的職業別非常詳細裡面還包括名義代表農林漁牧業機械什麼非常多大概有十項然後行業別行業別至少就有二十項公司的所在地就有四個地區的分別\n\n08:51.963 --> 09:18.842\n然後還細分說他們是不是有遇到雇主刁難啊離職啊歧視不平等待遇還有是不是因為擔心收入減少擔心失去工作業務繁忙等等這個會不會不管是從性別的角度來看或者是你想要解決問題的角度來看分析數據你以後對你政策的推動或是革新會不會覺得這樣子的分類好像不太公平\n\n09:19.571 --> 09:22.921\n那個人這個這個資料應該是不是是行政信憑會我請\n\n09:26.675 --> 09:53.363\n因為當時行政院憲評會會希望我們勞動部在調查的時候針對女性一些相關的個別的包含剛剛委員提到的年齡啊教育程度婚姻狀況等等會希望我們並同在本來我們其實是針對有育兒的那個小孩的歲數的調查裡面那併進去去了解女性這邊的相關的狀況所以才會有委員您看到我們的調查裡面為什麼男女的項目別會有差異\n\n09:55.063 --> 10:18.531\n這大概差了十萬八千里但您剛剛其實一直強調你的政策是希望男生也要請嘛男性也要請而且是多請可是你這樣的數據可能沒辦法協助你了解一些資訊啊如果你可以把兩邊的數據都做得一樣這樣不是可以更方便嗎我舉前幾天衛福部的案例他們的十大死因自殺率\n\n10:19.909 --> 10:43.002\n跑到十大以前沒有他們就開始分年齡層分男女去分析結果每一個年齡層包括性別他的原因是不同的所以如果你沒有知道說為何男生跟女生會有差距然後他在意的點是什麼他是不是薪資結構不同學歷不同而申請育嬰假有所差別這樣你如何去修改你的\n\n10:43.702 --> 11:08.111\n這些政策呢這樣好不好因為其實剛才就像市長說就是之所以女性會統計到這麼細當時是因為性評會裡面要求女性的地方希望特別再做更細但的確我也覺得如果女性的部分做得到這麼細的統計那其實男性的部分要比照我認為也是合理的事情所以這部分我們在統計的過程裡面我們就來把項目做得更細我想這沒有問題好那我就期待您明年的報告好嗎好謝謝\n\n11:09.693 --> 11:34.298\n再來我是想提醒這個是我們在高速公路上有可能會看到臨時或是例行的路面修護必須要有的這個緩撞車或是緩衝車但是我們看右邊的數據你會覺得非常可怕因為從110年到113年他逐年事故的案件是上升那除了上升以外你也會在新聞上看到不只是追撞的駕駛會傷亡作業的勞工也會有傷亡\n\n11:37.099 --> 11:54.820\n像四月就有一名這個工人同時跟駕駛當場就身亡了那我們會想要知道說像這樣子的緩衝車都是編制外的他就是民間的自行購買或是委外承攬的可是我們有求證過交通部交通部的道路管理規範裡面\n\n11:56.041 --> 11:58.844\n他有針對這個緩衝車做出指導比如說這個車屁股後面多長要放出警示多長的距離要引導車流變化然後500公尺為限制等等的那比起來呢\n\n12:12.559 --> 12:34.393\n這個緩衝車我們有一個叫做高空作業車職安署就有很詳細的去做有高空吊掛或是懸吊的勞工是不是要怎麼管理還有約束雇主來確保安全是不是在這邊可以具體的建議你要不要對這樣子的緩衝車也來做一個作業的安全管理指引呢\n\n12:36.221 --> 12:49.041\n跟委員報告謝謝關於這個議題這個確實涉及到交通安全跟職業安全所以我們後面會再跟交通部這邊來洽商是不是請你方便一個月跟交通部有所聯繫嗎\n\n12:50.942 --> 13:16.482\n一個月聯繫沒問題那如果要訂定這個相關的職業可能要再給我們一段時間我知道那一個月可以跟您要一個報告你會朝哪一些方向這個是幫您找出來的就各種不同的職業他們會訂出比如在國道工作的人可能會對於保護眼睛是不是被砂石噴到噪音但是又同時可以知道後面是不是有車子以及背心頭盔安全鞋等等這一類的\n\n13:19.602 --> 13:37.089\n好那我想我覺得跟文說我會請展署我們就一個月內跟交通部聯絡那跟交通部聯絡那先初步一些會商那怎麼把這個部分再做一些精進我們會把初步的跟交通部會商的結果再跟文說明好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.429,"end":27.296,"text":"曾經在這個大院做未還總質詢5月6號的時候您有討論到院長很稱讚你啊那當時院長非常稱讚您說他知道您很重視彈性暈假這個議題那您也提到說現在的事辦計畫是有問題的所以你要重新調整但當時我們時間不足所以你沒有具體說你遇到最大的問題是什麼可以在這邊請教你嗎"},{"start":29.905,"end":43.304,"text":"其實的確這個應該是說談心暈留庭其實在談心暈留庭裡面其實要處理的幾個挑戰都包括對於很多的僱主來說他"},{"start":45.447,"end":66.688,"text":"要怎麼來應對可能這種比較臨時性的請假的需求他在人力調度上面需要怎麼樣的配套來去協助他尤其是台灣的中小企業比較多他在這個當他的員工數比較少的時候他要再做這種比較臨時性的調度的時候他遇到的挑戰會比較大我想這是這是你最主要的問題所以這是現在的問題"},{"start":69.57,"end":98.3,"text":"當時您在院長前面說所以事辦計畫做得不好那你會再調整並且一個月會給我報告可是其實已經過了一個月了那你會針對這個調整其實我們只是想知道說你要如何做這個最大的調整去修正我還是因為其實關心的委員很多第一個我們還是在希望這個方向就是能夠縮短能夠申請的日數他的日數的間隔那個單位能夠"},{"start":98.66,"end":112.045,"text":"再更縮短這是第一個那第二個就是說剛剛兼顧說那我們要怎麼兼顧尤其是剛才說到台灣很多中小企業的雇主他在會在臨時性的人力排班上面我們要怎麼去協助他那"},{"start":114.195,"end":139.08,"text":"避免比方說這個如果這個部分沒有弄好可能很多雇主還是會用各種方式不想要讓讓員工來請休所以他需要一個配套讓這件事情的執行性可行性能夠更高那您會有一個進度嗎因為當時您說你要改版再重新提出來可是我們不知道您這個改版的進度您預期什麼時候推出"},{"start":139.68,"end":163.898,"text":"新的事辦計劃跟委員報告其實我們其實現在是也在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源目前正在跟行政院來爭取配套的資源那我們也希望盡快但確實這個政策之所以歷經了這麼多任的部長一個很重要的原因確實是因為他需要處理的關卡還不少"},{"start":165.066,"end":173.985,"text":"包括執行面上面的關卡包括行政端上面的關卡其實還不少所以我們現在也一個一個在把這些關卡要把它給解開"},{"start":175.56,"end":194.016,"text":"所以你其實你還沒有一個進度的計畫表啦因為你要慢慢的把它解開絕對不是慢慢的我說我們希望競速而且我希望都可以在這個也許希望到這個夏天我們就能夠做一些相關的讓大家公布"},{"start":196.858,"end":211.023,"text":"那下一個這邊要先稱讚您因為你看歷年來育嬰留庭幾戶的金額其實是在升高的表示他是往一個正向的發展但是針對就業保險法第19之2條要嚴密將育嬰津貼從6個月延長到7個月這個修法的進度第一想問這個修法進度如何第二是有蠻多人去反映說怕看得到吃不到因為必須同時"},{"start":226.848,"end":254.35,"text":"雙方都請了六個月才可以來延長到這第七個月那實際上真的雙方有達到六個月的你有統計出來嗎 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