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00:02:32,642\n所以發不發公債也還在收集意見我們已經拜訪了一個國家我們現在會再積極聯絡我們已經把虧損率給第二個國家了所以時間不確定財源也不確定那我來問一下方向請問一下主委主權基金成立了以後我們現在看到因為主權基金各國可能都是投資風險稍微較高因為外匯成底可能是風險低不一定它主權基金有三種一種是以政策為主\n\n8\n00:02:33,382 --> 00:03:01,998\n好沒有關係有的是財務危險較高啦也有的是兩個合幣是那以新加坡有兩個主權基金好謝謝丹瑪琪是高風險謝謝主委謝謝不好意思因為我時間有限啦我理解您的意思那像您剛剛提到的丹瑪琪或者是挪威的主權基金那尤其挪威的主權基金呢甚至近來呢也非常積極地投入這個美國非常關注的所謂的虛擬資產的產業他們甚至透過第三方的基金來間接持有少量的比特幣我想請教一下主委\n\n9\n00:03:02,378 --> 00:03:13,546\n未來主權基金成立了以後有沒有考慮要直接或間接的方式來列為把比特幣或虛擬貨幣虛擬資產作為主權基金的投資標的有沒有這樣的討論這個應該太早了我們不會去討論這種事情現在不討論是不是所以其他國家有我們現在先不討論您剛剛不是說參與其他國家的意見嗎這是執行與運作所以時間不確定財源不確定執行運作的方式也不確定我們現在在瞭解這些過程中好謝謝主委\n\n10\n00:03:32,438 --> 00:03:53,434\n那我想關心另外一個議題新十大建設啦您也把它拋出來了那本席也非常關心我們國家的AI發展那結果呢針對這個計畫本席辦公室向國發會來索取資料希望了解具體的內容結果我們得到的回應是計畫尚未報行政院無法提供計畫內容\n\n11\n00:03:55,055 --> 00:04:16,864\n又來一個不清不楚了那我想請教一下主委AI新十大建設的目標是在2040年要帶動15兆的產值啊哇這不是壞事還要帶動50萬個高新就業機會注意喔您提的是高新喔請教一下主委您的這個目標計畫目標是如何算出來的\n\n12\n00:04:17,384 --> 00:04:23,611\n可不可以在這裡因為我們要不到資料可不可以簡要的向全國民眾說明不然又一個計畫喊出來這個我們計畫抱怨我們等核定下來我們會有一個記者會的說明所以記者會會說明15兆怎麼計算的在抱怨過程中\n\n13\n00:04:35,003 --> 00:05:03,892\n另外一個事情就是說整個國家未來的發展我們必須找到下一個成長的引擎那以全球的發展來講AI很明顯是具備很重要的一個定位那它也可以帶動很多科技產業的發展跟我們生活的應用好謝謝那我再問那這個十大建設要投入多少資源多少人還不確定嘛對不對我們都有算出來在越沒有核定之前我們沒有辦法去公告也沒有辦法提供\n\n14\n00:05:05,322 --> 00:05:30,840\n因為我們所知你不提供啊院核定之後不需要先大家來討論一下嗎院核定之後我們就會提供喔因為這個核定過程中所以等院嘛我們剛剛在另外一個地方太空計畫也在等院核定這個AI計畫也在等院核定您剛剛提到AI非常重要那我們就來問啊我們現在人工智慧基本法也在等院核定啊卓偉會院長現在去哪裡了我想請問您認為台灣目前是不是\n\n15\n00:05:34,673 --> 00:05:58,095\nAI基本法現在行政院院版還沒出來喔您知道嗎這個AI的基本法不是速發部已經送前陣子有院討論嗎院版還沒有出來現在還在行政院那抱歉可能我\n\n16\n00:05:59,651 --> 00:06:22,324\n我有誤解吧我想這個可能不是沒有關係可以解決的我想您要提出AI新十大建設喊出15兆的產值結果您現在不知道我們現在AI發展的上位法規行政院院版到現在還沒出來AI那個資金已經多少那沒有關係因為這個業務你可以說是行政院卡住了或者行政院還在研議\n\n17\n00:06:22,964 --> 00:06:39,589\n那我想請教你,台灣現在是不是制定人工智慧基本法需要的時機?看您的反應,你應該認為很需要嘛,對吧?對好,謝謝那我就想請教我想委員也很清楚,我們很多的法令都有卡住AI的發展,尤其是捐AI的發展\n\n18\n00:06:40,489 --> 00:07:04,061\n謝謝您的這個直白的說法我也非常支持您的說法所以是不是可以跟行政院溝通一下我們應該院版要趕快出來因為這個真的是非常重要但是您也看一下您為什麼會不了解AI基本法的發展其實我們知道原因因為本席對不起我來說明一下您再回應本席查看了一下人工智慧基本法審查的時候的列席名單很遺憾的國發會並沒有列席參與法案的審查\n\n19\n00:07:07,122 --> 00:07:29,503\n也沒有去做更多的這些參與結果現在您跳出來我先講AI建設是很好的但您現在跳出來說有一個新十大建設對於AI基本法的理解跟過程是缺席的這個您可不可以說明一下我給你時間說明一下為什麼會這樣呢我沒有缺席我是用政務委員的身份列行我說立法院立法院的審查\n\n20\n00:07:30,163 --> 00:07:46,305\n因為立法院那個是由速發部跟國會在負責當然是以權責來講是以他們來負責但是您要做新十大建設因為我們審查的時候是上禮拜三您的新十大建設已經出來了新十大建設我們是納入各部會的東西進來不代表我每一個都一定要參與到\n\n21\n00:07:46,906 --> 00:08:08,824\n沒有關係我想我們還是有共識的我們需要有一個上位的法規接下來教文委員會會持續排審AI基本法我們也希望國發會務必派人列席參與審查我們一起來提供意見那同時呢我想我們再快速的回到我們今天這個主題啦其實人才的出口跟進口非常非常的重要我們看到齁其實之前有就業金卡\n\n22\n00:08:09,324 --> 00:08:36,508\n但是這個數字我請國發會主委您看一下科技那一欄其實科技那一欄呢您可以看到其實近五年取得就業金卡在科技這個類別的只有400多人平均起來一年那人才赤字已經被各國統計說台灣是負1.5%那請教一下那您現在這個修法三讀施行通過以後一年以後可以為台灣帶進多少新的外國人才比現況又要增加多少\n\n23\n00:08:37,108 --> 00:08:55,422\n我們的預估是希望增加六千六百多人一年一千六百多人一年六千六百多人好那我想要問其實我們發現現在我們有得到一些陳情其實有一些非常優異的青年或者未來的人才其實遇到了一些挑戰\n\n24\n00:08:56,343 --> 00:09:23,428\n因為我們現在第六條的要求是外國專家畢業以後要有兩年的工作經驗這一次提出修法你說把前500大這個畢業生免兩年工作經驗的規定換為前1000大但是主委您看一下這些人依據我們現在的人才條例全部是沒有辦法進來台灣的因為為什麼因為這些是中錯生沒有辦法被排入這500大1000大\n\n25\n00:09:24,649 --> 00:09:26,780\n那這個要怎麼解決啊\n\n26\n00:09:28,478 --> 00:09:57,020\n我們就業金卡並沒有這樣的限定但一年只有平均四百人啊一年平均四百二十六人啊因為月薪達到四十六萬那你知道六千多人這些人進不來啊因為我們就業金卡給的是比較頂尖我現在講的是這一次的修法第六條這一次的修法其實在要兩年工作經驗我們借貨很多陳情他也可以透過我們的特專就是核定專業人才的特殊成就認定好的那我想請教一下您知道這個特殊成就認定一年核定多少件嗎\n\n27\n00:09:58,069 --> 00:10:23,107\n我們目前累積了已經有1萬8千多間了一年多少人?去年有3千多位我想主委你要掌握清楚啦齁因為這個各種條款我們都希望能夠有競爭力其實我們也幫您問了啦齁這個到今年5月底大概許可人次大概3千2百多人\n\n28\n00:10:23,507 --> 00:10:44,035\n那也有一些人是進不來的但是總而言之我們看了新加坡有ONEPASS日本有JSKIP其實我們也看到我們在人才的匯聚上面一定要有競爭力我非常認同您剛剛提到的幾點做法包含Community但是我也跟您提出一點也有非常多高階人才來反映\n\n29\n00:10:45,075 --> 00:11:02,807\n銀行開帳戶遇到很多的困擾子女就學也遇到很多的困擾很多很多這種日常生活上的不便造成這些人來了以後體驗非常差甚至有外國的代表跟我這樣反應想請教一下主委這一點整個配套的措施後端的配套措施能不能也一起跟上\n\n30\n00:11:03,872 --> 00:11:22,751\n這個我們有在規劃尤其是就學的部分是有些人甚至來以後拿到金卡又回去因為他必須小孩子就學擠不進這個外語學校所以我們有在積極協調一些實驗學校的做法金融的服務聽說是銀行帳戶我們本國人去開都快要開不成了\n\n31\n00:11:23,852 --> 00:11:44,557\n現在這些外國人去很可能很容易被懷疑這些能不能這個相關的計劃配套說是一起來進行這個目前我們在我們的TalentTaiwan裡面事實上有在協助他們解決這個兩件事一個是不是只有銀行帳戶還有一個就是電話卡那這兩個部分我們現在都有在協助一起在進行中\n\n32\n00:11:44,957 --> 00:12:04,903\n我想在審查的過程裡面希望主席可以參採本席的部分意見提出更有亮點的版本那也謝謝主席給予相關的時間我們攬財一起來努力謝謝剛剛忽然講我要提版本我嚇一跳好謝謝葛禄君委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12844\t14328\t好 謝謝主席 有請國發會劉靜卿主委\n23638\t42441\t委員長主委長我想您最近是當紅榨子雞不只有主權基金還有新時大建設又有我們現在這個人才的重任我想台灣未來50年的發展可能都在您的手上當然還是要透過合作但是我想先請教一下主委\n42841\t57883\t主權基金的設置跟管理條例目前研議的進度怎麼樣因為我們現在有研會嘛所以我們距離休會還有兩個多月也許我們就可以多加把勁我們有很多的充裕的時間可以來審法案有沒有可能這個會期來送進立法院審查\n60086\t74771\t我們組員基金我們目前還在收集拜訪各單位收集第一手的消息那所以呢我們還在廣納意見包括各種民間的意見中所以就是這個會期不會送進來\n76071\t98038\t對 因為我們必須先拜訪到幾個我們認為比較可以參考的基金了解他們當時設計上的想法思路做法跟營運上遇到什麼困難那條例要不要送到立法院 要吧如果有條例一定會送立法院那都還沒有溝通 現在就開始在喊好 那沒有關係 我們現在看到現在大家對於這個主權基金要動用的資源\n100619\t121109\t但是現在社會有非常大的能量在討論嘛那我想請問一下未來的這個主權基金現在主委其實有正式的表示不會動用央行的外匯成底大家就好奇啊錢哪裡來啊那有媒體報導可能是由財政部來參考南韓或其他地方的案例來發行公債請問是不是如同媒體報導這樣我們現在是在參考各個國家的做法中\n125931\t152642\t所以發不發公債也還在收集意見我們已經拜訪了一個國家我們現在會再積極聯絡我們已經把虧損率給第二個國家了所以時間不確定財源也不確定那我來問一下方向 請問一下主委主權基金成立了以後我們現在看到因為主權基金各國可能都是投資風險稍微較高因為外匯成底可能是風險低不一定 它主權基金有三種一種是以政策為主\n153382\t181998\t好沒有關係有的是財務危險較高啦也有的是兩個合幣是那以新加坡有兩個主權基金好 謝謝丹瑪琪是高風險謝謝主委謝謝不好意思因為我時間有限啦我理解您的意思那像您剛剛提到的丹瑪琪或者是挪威的主權基金那尤其挪威的主權基金呢甚至近來呢也非常積極地投入這個美國非常關注的所謂的虛擬資產的產業他們甚至透過第三方的基金來間接持有少量的比特幣我想請教一下主委\n182378\t193546\t未來主權基金成立了以後有沒有考慮要直接或間接的方式來列為把比特幣或虛擬貨幣 虛擬資產作為主權基金的投資標的有沒有這樣的討論這個應該太早了我們不會去討論這種事情現在不討論是不是所以其他國家有我們現在先不討論您剛剛不是說參與其他國家的意見嗎這是執行與運作所以時間不確定財源不確定執行運作的方式也不確定我們現在在瞭解這些過程中好 謝謝主委\n212438\t233434\t那我想關心另外一個議題新十大建設啦您也把它拋出來了那本席也非常關心我們國家的AI發展那結果呢針對這個計畫本席辦公室向國發會來索取資料希望了解具體的內容結果我們得到的回應是計畫尚未報行政院無法提供計畫內容\n235055\t256864\t又來一個不清不楚了那我想請教一下主委AI新十大建設的目標是在2040年要帶動15兆的產值啊哇 這不是壞事還要帶動50萬個高新就業機會注意喔 您提的是高新喔請教一下主委您的這個目標計畫目標是如何算出來的\n257384\t263611\t可不可以在這裡因為我們要不到資料可不可以簡要的向全國民眾說明不然又一個計畫喊出來這個我們計畫抱怨我們等核定下來我們會有一個記者會的說明所以記者會會說明15兆怎麼計算的在抱怨過程中\n275003\t303892\t另外一個事情就是說整個國家未來的發展我們必須找到下一個成長的引擎那以全球的發展來講AI很明顯是具備很重要的一個定位那它也可以帶動很多科技產業的發展跟我們生活的應用好謝謝那我再問那這個十大建設要投入多少資源多少人還不確定嘛對不對我們都有算出來在越沒有核定之前我們沒有辦法去公告也沒有辦法提供\n305322\t330840\t因為我們所知你不提供啊院核定之後不需要先大家來討論一下嗎院核定之後我們就會提供喔因為這個核定過程中所以等院嘛我們剛剛在另外一個地方太空計畫也在等院核定這個AI計畫也在等院核定您剛剛提到AI非常重要那我們就來問啊我們現在人工智慧基本法也在等院核定啊卓偉會院長現在去哪裡了我想請問您認為台灣目前是不是\n334673\t358095\tAI基本法現在行政院院版還沒出來喔您知道嗎這個AI的基本法不是速發部已經送前陣子有院討論嗎院版還沒有出來現在還在行政院那抱歉可能我\n359651\t382324\t我有誤解吧我想這個可能不是沒有關係可以解決的我想您要提出AI新十大建設喊出15兆的產值結果您現在不知道我們現在AI發展的上位法規行政院院版到現在還沒出來AI那個資金已經多少那沒有關係因為這個業務你可以說是行政院卡住了或者行政院還在研議\n382964\t399589\t那我想請教你,台灣現在是不是制定人工智慧基本法需要的時機?看您的反應,你應該認為很需要嘛,對吧?對好,謝謝那我就想請教我想委員也很清楚,我們很多的法令都有卡住AI的發展,尤其是捐AI的發展\n400489\t424061\t謝謝您的這個直白的說法我也非常支持您的說法所以是不是可以跟行政院溝通一下我們應該院版要趕快出來因為這個真的是非常重要但是您也看一下您為什麼會不了解AI基本法的發展其實我們知道原因因為本席對不起我來說明一下您再回應本席查看了一下人工智慧基本法審查的時候的列席名單很遺憾的國發會並沒有列席參與法案的審查\n427122\t449503\t也沒有去做更多的這些參與結果現在您跳出來我先講AI建設是很好的但您現在跳出來說有一個新十大建設對於AI基本法的理解跟過程是缺席的這個您可不可以說明一下我給你時間說明一下為什麼會這樣呢我沒有缺席我是用政務委員的身份列行我說立法院 立法院的審查\n450163\t466305\t因為立法院那個是由速發部跟國會在負責當然是以權責來講是以他們來負責但是您要做新十大建設因為我們審查的時候是上禮拜三您的新十大建設已經出來了新十大建設我們是納入各部會的東西進來不代表我每一個都一定要參與到\n466906\t488824\t沒有關係我想我們還是有共識的我們需要有一個上位的法規接下來教文委員會會持續排審AI基本法我們也希望國發會務必派人列席參與審查我們一起來提供意見那同時呢我想我們再快速的回到我們今天這個主題啦其實人才的出口跟進口非常非常的重要我們看到齁其實之前有就業金卡\n489324\t516508\t但是這個數字我請國發會主委您看一下科技那一欄其實科技那一欄呢您可以看到其實近五年取得就業金卡在科技這個類別的只有400多人平均起來一年那人才赤字已經被各國統計說台灣是負1.5%那請教一下那您現在這個修法三讀施行通過以後一年以後可以為台灣帶進多少新的外國人才比現況又要增加多少\n517108\t535422\t我們的預估是希望增加六千六百多人一年一千六百多人一年六千六百多人好 那我想要問其實我們發現現在我們有得到一些陳情其實有一些非常優異的青年或者未來的人才其實遇到了一些挑戰\n536343\t563428\t因為我們現在第六條的要求是外國專家畢業以後要有兩年的工作經驗這一次提出修法你說把前500大這個畢業生免兩年工作經驗的規定換為前1000大但是主委您看一下這些人依據我們現在的人才條例全部是沒有辦法進來台灣的因為為什麼因為這些是中錯生沒有辦法被排入這500大 1000大\n564649\t566780\t那這個要怎麼解決啊\n568478\t597020\t我們就業金卡並沒有這樣的限定但一年只有平均四百人啊一年平均四百二十六人啊因為月薪達到四十六萬那你知道六千多人這些人進不來啊因為我們就業金卡給的是比較頂尖我現在講的是這一次的修法第六條這一次的修法其實在要兩年工作經驗我們借貨很多陳情他也可以透過我們的特專就是核定專業人才的特殊成就認定好的那我想請教一下您知道這個特殊成就認定一年核定多少件嗎\n598069\t623107\t我們目前累積了已經有1萬8千多間了一年多少人?去年有3千多位我想主委你要掌握清楚啦齁因為這個各種條款我們都希望能夠有競爭力其實我們也幫您問了啦齁這個到今年5月底大概許可人次大概3千2百多人\n623507\t644035\t那也有一些人是進不來的但是總而言之我們看了新加坡有ONE PASS日本有J SKIP其實我們也看到我們在人才的匯聚上面一定要有競爭力我非常認同您剛剛提到的幾點做法包含Community但是我也跟您提出一點也有非常多高階人才來反映\n645075\t662807\t銀行開帳戶遇到很多的困擾子女就學也遇到很多的困擾很多很多這種日常生活上的不便造成這些人來了以後體驗非常差甚至有外國的代表跟我這樣反應想請教一下主委這一點整個配套的措施後端的配套措施能不能也一起跟上\n663872\t682751\t這個我們有在規劃尤其是就學的部分是有些人甚至來以後拿到金卡又回去因為他必須小孩子就學擠不進這個外語學校所以我們有在積極協調一些實驗學校的做法金融的服務聽說是銀行帳戶我們本國人去開都快要開不成了\n683852\t704557\t現在這些外國人去很可能很容易被懷疑這些能不能這個相關的計劃配套說是一起來進行這個目前我們在我們的Talent Taiwan裡面事實上有在協助他們解決這個兩件事一個是不是只有銀行帳戶還有一個就是電話卡那這兩個部分我們現在都有在協助一起在進行中\n704957\t724903\t我想在審查的過程裡面希望主席可以參採本席的部分意見提出更有亮點的版本那也謝謝主席給予相關的時間我們攬財一起來努力謝謝剛剛忽然講我要提版本我嚇一跳好 謝謝葛禄君委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 有請國發會劉靜卿主委\n委員長主委長我想您最近是當紅榨子雞不只有主權基金還有新時大建設又有我們現在這個人才的重任我想台灣未來50年的發展可能都在您的手上當然還是要透過合作但是我想先請教一下主委\n主權基金的設置跟管理條例目前研議的進度怎麼樣因為我們現在有研會嘛所以我們距離休會還有兩個多月也許我們就可以多加把勁我們有很多的充裕的時間可以來審法案有沒有可能這個會期來送進立法院審查\n我們組員基金我們目前還在收集拜訪各單位收集第一手的消息那所以呢我們還在廣納意見包括各種民間的意見中所以就是這個會期不會送進來\n對 因為我們必須先拜訪到幾個我們認為比較可以參考的基金了解他們當時設計上的想法思路做法跟營運上遇到什麼困難那條例要不要送到立法院 要吧如果有條例一定會送立法院那都還沒有溝通 現在就開始在喊好 那沒有關係 我們現在看到現在大家對於這個主權基金要動用的資源\n但是現在社會有非常大的能量在討論嘛那我想請問一下未來的這個主權基金現在主委其實有正式的表示不會動用央行的外匯成底大家就好奇啊錢哪裡來啊那有媒體報導可能是由財政部來參考南韓或其他地方的案例來發行公債請問是不是如同媒體報導這樣我們現在是在參考各個國家的做法中\n所以發不發公債也還在收集意見我們已經拜訪了一個國家我們現在會再積極聯絡我們已經把虧損率給第二個國家了所以時間不確定財源也不確定那我來問一下方向 請問一下主委主權基金成立了以後我們現在看到因為主權基金各國可能都是投資風險稍微較高因為外匯成底可能是風險低不一定 它主權基金有三種一種是以政策為主\n好沒有關係有的是財務危險較高啦也有的是兩個合幣是那以新加坡有兩個主權基金好 謝謝丹瑪琪是高風險謝謝主委謝謝不好意思因為我時間有限啦我理解您的意思那像您剛剛提到的丹瑪琪或者是挪威的主權基金那尤其挪威的主權基金呢甚至近來呢也非常積極地投入這個美國非常關注的所謂的虛擬資產的產業他們甚至透過第三方的基金來間接持有少量的比特幣我想請教一下主委\n未來主權基金成立了以後有沒有考慮要直接或間接的方式來列為把比特幣或虛擬貨幣 虛擬資產作為主權基金的投資標的有沒有這樣的討論這個應該太早了我們不會去討論這種事情現在不討論是不是所以其他國家有我們現在先不討論您剛剛不是說參與其他國家的意見嗎這是執行與運作所以時間不確定財源不確定執行運作的方式也不確定我們現在在瞭解這些過程中好 謝謝主委\n那我想關心另外一個議題新十大建設啦您也把它拋出來了那本席也非常關心我們國家的AI發展那結果呢針對這個計畫本席辦公室向國發會來索取資料希望了解具體的內容結果我們得到的回應是計畫尚未報行政院無法提供計畫內容\n又來一個不清不楚了那我想請教一下主委AI新十大建設的目標是在2040年要帶動15兆的產值啊哇 這不是壞事還要帶動50萬個高新就業機會注意喔 您提的是高新喔請教一下主委您的這個目標計畫目標是如何算出來的\n可不可以在這裡因為我們要不到資料可不可以簡要的向全國民眾說明不然又一個計畫喊出來這個我們計畫抱怨我們等核定下來我們會有一個記者會的說明所以記者會會說明15兆怎麼計算的在抱怨過程中\n另外一個事情就是說整個國家未來的發展我們必須找到下一個成長的引擎那以全球的發展來講AI很明顯是具備很重要的一個定位那它也可以帶動很多科技產業的發展跟我們生活的應用好謝謝那我再問那這個十大建設要投入多少資源多少人還不確定嘛對不對我們都有算出來在越沒有核定之前我們沒有辦法去公告也沒有辦法提供\n因為我們所知你不提供啊院核定之後不需要先大家來討論一下嗎院核定之後我們就會提供喔因為這個核定過程中所以等院嘛我們剛剛在另外一個地方太空計畫也在等院核定這個AI計畫也在等院核定您剛剛提到AI非常重要那我們就來問啊我們現在人工智慧基本法也在等院核定啊卓偉會院長現在去哪裡了我想請問您認為台灣目前是不是\nAI基本法現在行政院院版還沒出來喔您知道嗎這個AI的基本法不是速發部已經送前陣子有院討論嗎院版還沒有出來現在還在行政院那抱歉可能我\n我有誤解吧我想這個可能不是沒有關係可以解決的我想您要提出AI新十大建設喊出15兆的產值結果您現在不知道我們現在AI發展的上位法規行政院院版到現在還沒出來AI那個資金已經多少那沒有關係因為這個業務你可以說是行政院卡住了或者行政院還在研議\n那我想請教你,台灣現在是不是制定人工智慧基本法需要的時機?看您的反應,你應該認為很需要嘛,對吧?對好,謝謝那我就想請教我想委員也很清楚,我們很多的法令都有卡住AI的發展,尤其是捐AI的發展\n謝謝您的這個直白的說法我也非常支持您的說法所以是不是可以跟行政院溝通一下我們應該院版要趕快出來因為這個真的是非常重要但是您也看一下您為什麼會不了解AI基本法的發展其實我們知道原因因為本席對不起我來說明一下您再回應本席查看了一下人工智慧基本法審查的時候的列席名單很遺憾的國發會並沒有列席參與法案的審查\n也沒有去做更多的這些參與結果現在您跳出來我先講AI建設是很好的但您現在跳出來說有一個新十大建設對於AI基本法的理解跟過程是缺席的這個您可不可以說明一下我給你時間說明一下為什麼會這樣呢我沒有缺席我是用政務委員的身份列行我說立法院 立法院的審查\n因為立法院那個是由速發部跟國會在負責當然是以權責來講是以他們來負責但是您要做新十大建設因為我們審查的時候是上禮拜三您的新十大建設已經出來了新十大建設我們是納入各部會的東西進來不代表我每一個都一定要參與到\n沒有關係我想我們還是有共識的我們需要有一個上位的法規接下來教文委員會會持續排審AI基本法我們也希望國發會務必派人列席參與審查我們一起來提供意見那同時呢我想我們再快速的回到我們今天這個主題啦其實人才的出口跟進口非常非常的重要我們看到齁其實之前有就業金卡\n但是這個數字我請國發會主委您看一下科技那一欄其實科技那一欄呢您可以看到其實近五年取得就業金卡在科技這個類別的只有400多人平均起來一年那人才赤字已經被各國統計說台灣是負1.5%那請教一下那您現在這個修法三讀施行通過以後一年以後可以為台灣帶進多少新的外國人才比現況又要增加多少\n我們的預估是希望增加六千六百多人一年一千六百多人一年六千六百多人好 那我想要問其實我們發現現在我們有得到一些陳情其實有一些非常優異的青年或者未來的人才其實遇到了一些挑戰\n因為我們現在第六條的要求是外國專家畢業以後要有兩年的工作經驗這一次提出修法你說把前500大這個畢業生免兩年工作經驗的規定換為前1000大但是主委您看一下這些人依據我們現在的人才條例全部是沒有辦法進來台灣的因為為什麼因為這些是中錯生沒有辦法被排入這500大 1000大\n那這個要怎麼解決啊\n我們就業金卡並沒有這樣的限定但一年只有平均四百人啊一年平均四百二十六人啊因為月薪達到四十六萬那你知道六千多人這些人進不來啊因為我們就業金卡給的是比較頂尖我現在講的是這一次的修法第六條這一次的修法其實在要兩年工作經驗我們借貨很多陳情他也可以透過我們的特專就是核定專業人才的特殊成就認定好的那我想請教一下您知道這個特殊成就認定一年核定多少件嗎\n我們目前累積了已經有1萬8千多間了一年多少人?去年有3千多位我想主委你要掌握清楚啦齁因為這個各種條款我們都希望能夠有競爭力其實我們也幫您問了啦齁這個到今年5月底大概許可人次大概3千2百多人\n那也有一些人是進不來的但是總而言之我們看了新加坡有ONE PASS日本有J SKIP其實我們也看到我們在人才的匯聚上面一定要有競爭力我非常認同您剛剛提到的幾點做法包含Community但是我也跟您提出一點也有非常多高階人才來反映\n銀行開帳戶遇到很多的困擾子女就學也遇到很多的困擾很多很多這種日常生活上的不便造成這些人來了以後體驗非常差甚至有外國的代表跟我這樣反應想請教一下主委這一點整個配套的措施後端的配套措施能不能也一起跟上\n這個我們有在規劃尤其是就學的部分是有些人甚至來以後拿到金卡又回去因為他必須小孩子就學擠不進這個外語學校所以我們有在積極協調一些實驗學校的做法金融的服務聽說是銀行帳戶我們本國人去開都快要開不成了\n現在這些外國人去很可能很容易被懷疑這些能不能這個相關的計劃配套說是一起來進行這個目前我們在我們的Talent Taiwan裡面事實上有在協助他們解決這個兩件事一個是不是只有銀行帳戶還有一個就是電話卡那這兩個部分我們現在都有在協助一起在進行中\n我想在審查的過程裡面希望主席可以參採本席的部分意見提出更有亮點的版本那也謝謝主席給予相關的時間我們攬財一起來努力謝謝剛剛忽然講我要提版本我嚇一跳好 謝謝葛禄君委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.844 --> 00:14.328\n好謝謝主席有請國發會劉靜卿主委\n\n00:23.638 --> 00:42.441\n委員長主委長我想您最近是當紅榨子雞不只有主權基金還有新時大建設又有我們現在這個人才的重任我想台灣未來50年的發展可能都在您的手上當然還是要透過合作但是我想先請教一下主委\n\n00:42.841 --> 00:57.883\n主權基金的設置跟管理條例目前研議的進度怎麼樣因為我們現在有研會嘛所以我們距離休會還有兩個多月也許我們就可以多加把勁我們有很多的充裕的時間可以來審法案有沒有可能這個會期來送進立法院審查\n\n01:00.086 --> 01:14.771\n我們組員基金我們目前還在收集拜訪各單位收集第一手的消息那所以呢我們還在廣納意見包括各種民間的意見中所以就是這個會期不會送進來\n\n01:16.071 --> 01:38.038\n對因為我們必須先拜訪到幾個我們認為比較可以參考的基金了解他們當時設計上的想法思路做法跟營運上遇到什麼困難那條例要不要送到立法院要吧如果有條例一定會送立法院那都還沒有溝通現在就開始在喊好那沒有關係我們現在看到現在大家對於這個主權基金要動用的資源\n\n01:40.619 --> 02:01.109\n但是現在社會有非常大的能量在討論嘛那我想請問一下未來的這個主權基金現在主委其實有正式的表示不會動用央行的外匯成底大家就好奇啊錢哪裡來啊那有媒體報導可能是由財政部來參考南韓或其他地方的案例來發行公債請問是不是如同媒體報導這樣我們現在是在參考各個國家的做法中\n\n02:05.931 --> 02:32.642\n所以發不發公債也還在收集意見我們已經拜訪了一個國家我們現在會再積極聯絡我們已經把虧損率給第二個國家了所以時間不確定財源也不確定那我來問一下方向請問一下主委主權基金成立了以後我們現在看到因為主權基金各國可能都是投資風險稍微較高因為外匯成底可能是風險低不一定它主權基金有三種一種是以政策為主\n\n02:33.382 --> 03:01.998\n好沒有關係有的是財務危險較高啦也有的是兩個合幣是那以新加坡有兩個主權基金好謝謝丹瑪琪是高風險謝謝主委謝謝不好意思因為我時間有限啦我理解您的意思那像您剛剛提到的丹瑪琪或者是挪威的主權基金那尤其挪威的主權基金呢甚至近來呢也非常積極地投入這個美國非常關注的所謂的虛擬資產的產業他們甚至透過第三方的基金來間接持有少量的比特幣我想請教一下主委\n\n03:02.378 --> 03:13.546\n未來主權基金成立了以後有沒有考慮要直接或間接的方式來列為把比特幣或虛擬貨幣虛擬資產作為主權基金的投資標的有沒有這樣的討論這個應該太早了我們不會去討論這種事情現在不討論是不是所以其他國家有我們現在先不討論您剛剛不是說參與其他國家的意見嗎這是執行與運作所以時間不確定財源不確定執行運作的方式也不確定我們現在在瞭解這些過程中好謝謝主委\n\n03:32.438 --> 03:53.434\n那我想關心另外一個議題新十大建設啦您也把它拋出來了那本席也非常關心我們國家的AI發展那結果呢針對這個計畫本席辦公室向國發會來索取資料希望了解具體的內容結果我們得到的回應是計畫尚未報行政院無法提供計畫內容\n\n03:55.055 --> 04:16.864\n又來一個不清不楚了那我想請教一下主委AI新十大建設的目標是在2040年要帶動15兆的產值啊哇這不是壞事還要帶動50萬個高新就業機會注意喔您提的是高新喔請教一下主委您的這個目標計畫目標是如何算出來的\n\n04:17.384 --> 04:23.611\n可不可以在這裡因為我們要不到資料可不可以簡要的向全國民眾說明不然又一個計畫喊出來這個我們計畫抱怨我們等核定下來我們會有一個記者會的說明所以記者會會說明15兆怎麼計算的在抱怨過程中\n\n04:35.003 --> 05:03.892\n另外一個事情就是說整個國家未來的發展我們必須找到下一個成長的引擎那以全球的發展來講AI很明顯是具備很重要的一個定位那它也可以帶動很多科技產業的發展跟我們生活的應用好謝謝那我再問那這個十大建設要投入多少資源多少人還不確定嘛對不對我們都有算出來在越沒有核定之前我們沒有辦法去公告也沒有辦法提供\n\n05:05.322 --> 05:30.840\n因為我們所知你不提供啊院核定之後不需要先大家來討論一下嗎院核定之後我們就會提供喔因為這個核定過程中所以等院嘛我們剛剛在另外一個地方太空計畫也在等院核定這個AI計畫也在等院核定您剛剛提到AI非常重要那我們就來問啊我們現在人工智慧基本法也在等院核定啊卓偉會院長現在去哪裡了我想請問您認為台灣目前是不是\n\n05:34.673 --> 05:58.095\nAI基本法現在行政院院版還沒出來喔您知道嗎這個AI的基本法不是速發部已經送前陣子有院討論嗎院版還沒有出來現在還在行政院那抱歉可能我\n\n05:59.651 --> 06:22.324\n我有誤解吧我想這個可能不是沒有關係可以解決的我想您要提出AI新十大建設喊出15兆的產值結果您現在不知道我們現在AI發展的上位法規行政院院版到現在還沒出來AI那個資金已經多少那沒有關係因為這個業務你可以說是行政院卡住了或者行政院還在研議\n\n06:22.964 --> 06:39.589\n那我想請教你,台灣現在是不是制定人工智慧基本法需要的時機?看您的反應,你應該認為很需要嘛,對吧?對好,謝謝那我就想請教我想委員也很清楚,我們很多的法令都有卡住AI的發展,尤其是捐AI的發展\n\n06:40.489 --> 07:04.061\n謝謝您的這個直白的說法我也非常支持您的說法所以是不是可以跟行政院溝通一下我們應該院版要趕快出來因為這個真的是非常重要但是您也看一下您為什麼會不了解AI基本法的發展其實我們知道原因因為本席對不起我來說明一下您再回應本席查看了一下人工智慧基本法審查的時候的列席名單很遺憾的國發會並沒有列席參與法案的審查\n\n07:07.122 --> 07:29.503\n也沒有去做更多的這些參與結果現在您跳出來我先講AI建設是很好的但您現在跳出來說有一個新十大建設對於AI基本法的理解跟過程是缺席的這個您可不可以說明一下我給你時間說明一下為什麼會這樣呢我沒有缺席我是用政務委員的身份列行我說立法院立法院的審查\n\n07:30.163 --> 07:46.305\n因為立法院那個是由速發部跟國會在負責當然是以權責來講是以他們來負責但是您要做新十大建設因為我們審查的時候是上禮拜三您的新十大建設已經出來了新十大建設我們是納入各部會的東西進來不代表我每一個都一定要參與到\n\n07:46.906 --> 08:08.824\n沒有關係我想我們還是有共識的我們需要有一個上位的法規接下來教文委員會會持續排審AI基本法我們也希望國發會務必派人列席參與審查我們一起來提供意見那同時呢我想我們再快速的回到我們今天這個主題啦其實人才的出口跟進口非常非常的重要我們看到齁其實之前有就業金卡\n\n08:09.324 --> 08:36.508\n但是這個數字我請國發會主委您看一下科技那一欄其實科技那一欄呢您可以看到其實近五年取得就業金卡在科技這個類別的只有400多人平均起來一年那人才赤字已經被各國統計說台灣是負1.5%那請教一下那您現在這個修法三讀施行通過以後一年以後可以為台灣帶進多少新的外國人才比現況又要增加多少\n\n08:37.108 --> 08:55.422\n我們的預估是希望增加六千六百多人一年一千六百多人一年六千六百多人好那我想要問其實我們發現現在我們有得到一些陳情其實有一些非常優異的青年或者未來的人才其實遇到了一些挑戰\n\n08:56.343 --> 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