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00:00:31,943\n部長好AI快速的發展其實我們心中有一個很沉重的隱憂就是AI快速的發展會對勞工現有的就業的安全以及環境會帶來很大的衝擊尤其是中低技能的勞工他的風險\n\n3\n00:00:33,064 --> 00:00:56,804\n是更大幅的一個提升那相關的我們對這種就業型態他不只是被AI自動化的一個取代也面臨職業的一個重整的這樣的一個趨勢那OECD他們就指出2023年的就業展望他明確的指出在未來的10到15年\n\n4\n00:00:57,881 --> 00:01:26,277\n有14%的職業會消失因為AI自動化的一個提升另外有32%的這樣的一個比例的職業他面臨結構的一個重整那管理顧問公司麥肯錫他也指出未來全球因為AI自動化的這樣一個趨勢會有8億個工作機會會消失會被自動化來取代那\n\n5\n00:01:29,163 --> 00:01:54,635\n職業結構的這樣的一個重構造成勞工工作風險的一個增加而且也可能導致就業機會的減少這是我們在追求AI自動化快速發展提升更進步科技的產業跟生活的時候面對勞工的這樣一個困境數位部也必須要有相關的因應那\n\n6\n00:01:55,885 --> 00:02:10,670\n我們來看相關的這種AI對勞工生活的這樣的一個衝擊數位部有做基本的盤整嗎另外工作會被AI取代工作需要這種\n\n7\n00:02:12,512 --> 00:02:40,652\n重構或者是再設計的這樣的一個職業我們必須要提出針對性的一個相關的因應那確保勞工在AI快速發展的時候有基本的工作權益受到保障來請部長簡單的說明一下報告委員這個就是我們也是我們所關心的議題所以我們在我們現在在草泥的這個AI基本法確實有強調以人為本就要特別注重這個勞工的問題\n\n8\n00:02:42,173 --> 00:03:01,147\n那這個將來我們會在基本法裡面去有一些指引讓這個將來的這個我們在這個就業市場上能夠不要因為AI的發展而嚴重影響到勞工的權益那當然這方面另外一邊就是我們也提供很多訓練的一些program\n\n9\n00:03:01,627 --> 00:03:16,936\n就是說不管是百工百業就算是勞工一樣要對怎麼樣利用AI來增加工作效率這件事情我們也會持續的去訓練讓這個將來的勞工也因為有這樣關係他能夠學到更好的技能來工作上吸入他\n\n10\n00:03:17,356 --> 00:03:33,115\n這是部長一個基本的想法啦那我們來看AI的這種職場的應用啊必須要有基本的規範要避免歧視的跟不透明這樣一個狀況的一個發生那AI它不只是\n\n11\n00:03:34,296 --> 00:03:50,709\n重塑相關工作的內容職務或者是他的一個任務他其實也成為勞工評估招募跟管理的一個工具這就涉及到就業的歧視勞工的隱私還有資訊的一個知情權\n\n12\n00:03:51,590 --> 00:04:12,347\n那AI它現在是成為人力資源工具這是一個趨勢那演算法的一個篩選機制的不透明也會引發這種就業的歧視這就是說AI對就業歧視的這種放大的效應其實在全球的\n\n13\n00:04:13,688 --> 00:04:40,134\n案例中已經有非常多的案例像這個Amazon它使用一套AI的履歷的一個篩選工具那它結果它會自動降低女性申請人的這樣的一個排序因為在演算法當中它自動會學會高科技的這樣的不管是高科技產業或科技產業他們的\n\n14\n00:04:43,561 --> 00:05:02,366\n入企的人數大部分都是男性為主所以這樣的一個演算法就會自動降低女性她們要去求職的一個排序那這些都是演算法對於社會既有的社會偏見它給予制度化\n\n15\n00:05:03,588 --> 00:05:26,476\n隱形化甚至是規模化的一個結果那我建議是要接近歐盟建立這種高風險AI職場的應用清單就是說例如自動面試的篩選績效的評分系統要強制的事先的這樣的一個審查跟資訊的一個揭露\n\n16\n00:05:27,264 --> 00:05:43,471\n那這個部分另外就是說雇主對於要導入這種AI系統的時候也要對勞工進行相關的知情的同意的流程就是說明確告知相關的資料收集以及用途\n\n17\n00:05:44,351 --> 00:06:05,808\n決策參數等等項目來部長簡單說明一下這個委員的關心謝謝委員的建議這些也提示我們的關心我們現在在發展AI同時我們也比較可信TrustworthAI就是可信任的AI那我們部裡面為了這個事情我們也做了一些工作包括我們有評測中心包括我們有一些檢測機制確定你用的AI模型要符合一些規範\n\n18\n00:06:07,249 --> 00:06:28,435\n當然我們這個AI的不當使用會造成歧視造成勞工的問題這個就是我們希望在將來的AI基本法能夠有一個比較明顯的規範部長對勞工的保障AI的發展對勞工就業以及未來整個工作環境的衝擊的風險大幅提升\n\n19\n00:06:29,255 --> 00:06:58,060\n必須要建立判斷就業衝擊的這種監測的制度那其實AI它取代了不只是重複性的這樣的一個體力工作它其實已經擴及到行政、人事、客服以及初階資料分析等等的白領階級也受到衝擊那我們目前的AI的政策的這樣的一個技術的政策的發展是以技術推廣\n\n20\n00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:15,751\n還有算力的建置還有相關的就業應用為主但是AI的技術導入對於就業市場所造成的位移裁員或是結構性的風險缺乏系統性的一個統計監測跟應對的機制這個部分台灣的法律雖然已經規範企業在導入AI的技術之後\n\n21\n00:07:28,857 --> 00:07:46,003\n在解雇員工應該要依勞基法來針對業務性的性質變更或是不能勝任工作這個項目有舉證的義務跟程序的義務但是我還是要明確的指出政府目前\n\n22\n00:07:47,163 --> 00:08:00,392\n還是沒有辦法去掌握AI導入引入裁員的總體趨勢跟影響的程度這個還沒有建立另外也還沒有建立跨部門的人力的安置\n\n23\n00:08:01,348 --> 00:08:25,990\n另外就是沒有安排技能轉職的這樣的一個社會支撐的結構跟策略部長簡單說明一下你們有什麼意見剛剛有個委員講說關於這個這個人力就是我們有些訓練的機制那我們也會跟跨部委包括勞動部我們會在這個問題上再跟勞動部來好好的討論這是一個重要的一個進行的相關的重要工作\n\n24\n00:08:27,431 --> 00:08:44,985\n我看我們台灣如果沒有如果是缺乏這種相關資料的通報制度來判斷員工是不是因為AI的引進而遭到裁員這會讓勞動市場的變化跟AI的導入之間的這種連動性處於一個政策的盲區這是我們所擔憂的\n\n25\n00:08:53,254 --> 00:09:01,623\n那政府就沒有辦法及時的預警跟規劃這種職務的配套基層勞工也是處於這種資訊不對稱的這樣的一個狀態\n\n26\n00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:25,466\n那蘇阿部啊應該要及早掌握相關的資料啦那避免在政策規劃上啊缺乏AI對勞工就業的因素的衝擊這種重要的關鍵另外蘇阿部也應該啊我要更明確的說蘇阿部啊\n\n27\n00:09:26,207 --> 00:09:45,337\n要主導或是建議我們要建設一個跨部會的AI社會影響監測的平台來統整就業、教育還有勞動政策所需要的前瞻性的資料跟政策部長最後時間讓你說明\n\n28\n00:09:45,777 --> 00:10:12,926\n就是謝謝委員的建議像剛委員的建議我們會回去再去看怎麼樣進行那當然州裡面跨部會包括勞動部那應該也會跟經濟部有些有些合作所以我們再回去看怎麼去建立這樣一個機制好那AI的發展是一個重要的趨勢對產業的發展以及對勞工生活的一個衝擊蘇發部必須要更明確更前瞻的提出相關政策的一個規劃好謝謝委員長好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2764\t3967\t謝謝召委 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請部長簡單的說明一下報告委員這個就是我們也是我們所關心的議題所以我們在我們現在在草泥的這個AI基本法確實有強調以人為本就要特別注重這個勞工的問題\n162173\t181147\t那這個將來我們會在基本法裡面去有一些指引讓這個將來的這個我們在這個就業市場上能夠不要因為AI的發展而嚴重影響到勞工的權益那當然這方面另外一邊就是我們也提供很多訓練的一些program\n181627\t196936\t就是說不管是百工百業就算是勞工一樣要對怎麼樣利用AI來增加工作效率這件事情我們也會持續的去訓練讓這個將來的勞工也因為有這樣關係他能夠學到更好的技能來工作上吸入他\n197356\t213115\t這是部長一個基本的想法啦那我們來看AI的這種職場的應用啊必須要有基本的規範要避免歧視的跟不透明這樣一個狀況的一個發生那AI它不只是\n214296\t230709\t重塑相關工作的內容職務或者是他的一個任務他其實也成為勞工評估招募跟管理的一個工具這就涉及到就業的歧視勞工的隱私還有資訊的一個知情權\n231590\t252347\t那AI它現在是成為人力資源工具這是一個趨勢那演算法的一個篩選機制的不透明也會引發這種就業的歧視這就是說AI對就業歧視的這種放大的效應其實在全球的\n253688\t280134\t案例中已經有非常多的案例像這個Amazon它使用一套AI的履歷的一個篩選工具那它結果它會自動降低女性申請人的這樣的一個排序因為在演算法當中它自動會學會高科技的這樣的不管是高科技產業或科技產業他們的\n283561\t302366\t入企的人數大部分都是男性為主所以這樣的一個演算法就會自動降低女性她們要去求職的一個排序那這些都是演算法對於社會既有的社會偏見它給予制度化\n303588\t326476\t隱形化甚至是規模化的一個結果那我建議是要接近歐盟建立這種高風險AI職場的應用清單就是說例如自動面試的篩選 績效的評分系統要強制的事先的這樣的一個審查跟資訊的一個揭露\n327264\t343471\t那這個部分另外就是說雇主對於要導入這種AI系統的時候也要對勞工進行相關的知情的同意的流程就是說明確告知相關的資料收集以及用途\n344351\t365808\t決策參數等等項目來部長簡單說明一下這個委員的關心謝謝委員的建議這些也提示我們的關心我們現在在發展AI同時我們也比較可信Trustworth AI就是可信任的AI那我們部裡面為了這個事情我們也做了一些工作包括我們有評測中心包括我們有一些檢測機制確定你用的AI模型要符合一些規範\n367249\t388435\t當然我們這個AI的不當使用會造成歧視造成勞工的問題這個就是我們希望在將來的AI基本法能夠有一個比較明顯的規範部長對勞工的保障AI的發展對勞工就業以及未來整個工作環境的衝擊的風險大幅提升\n389255\t418060\t必須要建立判斷就業衝擊的這種監測的制度那其實AI它取代了不只是重複性的這樣的一個體力工作它其實已經擴及到行政、人事、客服以及初階資料分析等等的白領階級也受到衝擊那我們目前的AI的政策的這樣的一個技術的政策的發展是以技術推廣\n419020\t435751\t還有算力的建置還有相關的就業應用為主但是AI的技術導入對於就業市場所造成的位移裁員或是結構性的風險缺乏系統性的一個統計監測跟應對的機制這個部分台灣的法律雖然已經規範企業在導入AI的技術之後\n448857\t466003\t在解雇員工應該要依勞基法來針對業務性的性質變更或是不能勝任工作這個項目有舉證的義務跟程序的義務但是我還是要明確的指出政府目前\n467163\t480392\t還是沒有辦法去掌握AI導入引入裁員的總體趨勢跟影響的程度這個還沒有建立另外也還沒有建立跨部門的人力的安置\n481348\t505990\t另外就是沒有安排技能轉職的這樣的一個社會支撐的結構跟策略部長簡單說明一下你們有什麼意見剛剛有個委員講說關於這個這個人力就是我們有些訓練的機制那我們也會跟跨部委包括勞動部我們會在這個問題上再跟勞動部來好好的討論這是一個重要的一個進行的相關的重要工作\n507431\t524985\t我看我們台灣如果沒有如果是缺乏這種相關資料的通報制度來判斷員工是不是因為AI的引進而遭到裁員這會讓勞動市場的變化跟AI的導入之間的這種連動性處於一個政策的盲區這是我們所擔憂的\n533254\t541623\t那政府就沒有辦法及時的預警跟規劃這種職務的配套基層勞工也是處於這種資訊不對稱的這樣的一個狀態\n545509\t565466\t那蘇阿部啊應該要及早掌握相關的資料啦那避免在政策規劃上啊缺乏AI對勞工就業的因素的衝擊這種重要的關鍵另外蘇阿部也應該啊我要更明確的說蘇阿部啊\n566207\t585337\t要主導或是建議我們要建設一個跨部會的AI社會影響監測的平台來統整就業、教育還有勞動政策所需要的前瞻性的資料跟政策部長最後時間讓你說明\n585777\t612926\t就是謝謝委員的建議 像剛委員的建議我們會回去再去看怎麼樣進行那當然州裡面跨部會包括勞動部那應該也會跟經濟部有些有些合作所以我們再回去看怎麼去建立這樣一個機制好 那AI的發展是一個重要的趨勢對產業的發展以及對勞工生活的一個衝擊蘇發部必須要更明確更前瞻的提出相關政策的一個規劃好 謝謝委員長 好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝召委 請一下黃部長請部長\n部長好AI快速的發展其實我們心中有一個很沉重的隱憂就是AI快速的發展會對勞工現有的就業的安全以及環境會帶來很大的衝擊尤其是中低技能的勞工他的風險\n是更大幅的一個提升那相關的我們對這種就業型態他不只是被AI自動化的一個取代也面臨職業的一個重整的這樣的一個趨勢那OECD他們就指出2023年的就業展望他明確的指出在未來的10到15年\n有14%的職業會消失因為AI自動化的一個提升另外有32%的這樣的一個比例的職業他面臨結構的一個重整那管理顧問公司麥肯錫他也指出未來全球因為AI自動化的這樣一個趨勢會有8億個工作機會會消失會被自動化來取代那\n職業結構的這樣的一個重構造成勞工工作風險的一個增加而且也可能導致就業機會的減少這是我們在追求AI自動化快速發展提升更進步科技的產業跟生活的時候面對勞工的這樣一個困境數位部也必須要有相關的因應那\n我們來看相關的這種AI對勞工生活的這樣的一個衝擊數位部有做基本的盤整嗎另外工作會被AI取代工作需要這種\n重構或者是再設計的這樣的一個職業我們必須要提出針對性的一個相關的因應那確保勞工在AI快速發展的時候有基本的工作權益受到保障來 請部長簡單的說明一下報告委員這個就是我們也是我們所關心的議題所以我們在我們現在在草泥的這個AI基本法確實有強調以人為本就要特別注重這個勞工的問題\n那這個將來我們會在基本法裡面去有一些指引讓這個將來的這個我們在這個就業市場上能夠不要因為AI的發展而嚴重影響到勞工的權益那當然這方面另外一邊就是我們也提供很多訓練的一些program\n就是說不管是百工百業就算是勞工一樣要對怎麼樣利用AI來增加工作效率這件事情我們也會持續的去訓練讓這個將來的勞工也因為有這樣關係他能夠學到更好的技能來工作上吸入他\n這是部長一個基本的想法啦那我們來看AI的這種職場的應用啊必須要有基本的規範要避免歧視的跟不透明這樣一個狀況的一個發生那AI它不只是\n重塑相關工作的內容職務或者是他的一個任務他其實也成為勞工評估招募跟管理的一個工具這就涉及到就業的歧視勞工的隱私還有資訊的一個知情權\n那AI它現在是成為人力資源工具這是一個趨勢那演算法的一個篩選機制的不透明也會引發這種就業的歧視這就是說AI對就業歧視的這種放大的效應其實在全球的\n案例中已經有非常多的案例像這個Amazon它使用一套AI的履歷的一個篩選工具那它結果它會自動降低女性申請人的這樣的一個排序因為在演算法當中它自動會學會高科技的這樣的不管是高科技產業或科技產業他們的\n入企的人數大部分都是男性為主所以這樣的一個演算法就會自動降低女性她們要去求職的一個排序那這些都是演算法對於社會既有的社會偏見它給予制度化\n隱形化甚至是規模化的一個結果那我建議是要接近歐盟建立這種高風險AI職場的應用清單就是說例如自動面試的篩選 績效的評分系統要強制的事先的這樣的一個審查跟資訊的一個揭露\n那這個部分另外就是說雇主對於要導入這種AI系統的時候也要對勞工進行相關的知情的同意的流程就是說明確告知相關的資料收集以及用途\n決策參數等等項目來部長簡單說明一下這個委員的關心謝謝委員的建議這些也提示我們的關心我們現在在發展AI同時我們也比較可信Trustworth AI就是可信任的AI那我們部裡面為了這個事情我們也做了一些工作包括我們有評測中心包括我們有一些檢測機制確定你用的AI模型要符合一些規範\n當然我們這個AI的不當使用會造成歧視造成勞工的問題這個就是我們希望在將來的AI基本法能夠有一個比較明顯的規範部長對勞工的保障AI的發展對勞工就業以及未來整個工作環境的衝擊的風險大幅提升\n必須要建立判斷就業衝擊的這種監測的制度那其實AI它取代了不只是重複性的這樣的一個體力工作它其實已經擴及到行政、人事、客服以及初階資料分析等等的白領階級也受到衝擊那我們目前的AI的政策的這樣的一個技術的政策的發展是以技術推廣\n還有算力的建置還有相關的就業應用為主但是AI的技術導入對於就業市場所造成的位移裁員或是結構性的風險缺乏系統性的一個統計監測跟應對的機制這個部分台灣的法律雖然已經規範企業在導入AI的技術之後\n在解雇員工應該要依勞基法來針對業務性的性質變更或是不能勝任工作這個項目有舉證的義務跟程序的義務但是我還是要明確的指出政府目前\n還是沒有辦法去掌握AI導入引入裁員的總體趨勢跟影響的程度這個還沒有建立另外也還沒有建立跨部門的人力的安置\n另外就是沒有安排技能轉職的這樣的一個社會支撐的結構跟策略部長簡單說明一下你們有什麼意見剛剛有個委員講說關於這個這個人力就是我們有些訓練的機制那我們也會跟跨部委包括勞動部我們會在這個問題上再跟勞動部來好好的討論這是一個重要的一個進行的相關的重要工作\n我看我們台灣如果沒有如果是缺乏這種相關資料的通報制度來判斷員工是不是因為AI的引進而遭到裁員這會讓勞動市場的變化跟AI的導入之間的這種連動性處於一個政策的盲區這是我們所擔憂的\n那政府就沒有辦法及時的預警跟規劃這種職務的配套基層勞工也是處於這種資訊不對稱的這樣的一個狀態\n那蘇阿部啊應該要及早掌握相關的資料啦那避免在政策規劃上啊缺乏AI對勞工就業的因素的衝擊這種重要的關鍵另外蘇阿部也應該啊我要更明確的說蘇阿部啊\n要主導或是建議我們要建設一個跨部會的AI社會影響監測的平台來統整就業、教育還有勞動政策所需要的前瞻性的資料跟政策部長最後時間讓你說明\n就是謝謝委員的建議 像剛委員的建議我們會回去再去看怎麼樣進行那當然州裡面跨部會包括勞動部那應該也會跟經濟部有些有些合作所以我們再回去看怎麼去建立這樣一個機制好 那AI的發展是一個重要的趨勢對產業的發展以及對勞工生活的一個衝擊蘇發部必須要更明確更前瞻的提出相關政策的一個規劃好 謝謝委員長 好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.764 --> 00:03.967\n謝謝召委請一下黃部長請部長\n\n00:11.626 --> 00:31.943\n部長好AI快速的發展其實我們心中有一個很沉重的隱憂就是AI快速的發展會對勞工現有的就業的安全以及環境會帶來很大的衝擊尤其是中低技能的勞工他的風險\n\n00:33.064 --> 00:56.804\n是更大幅的一個提升那相關的我們對這種就業型態他不只是被AI自動化的一個取代也面臨職業的一個重整的這樣的一個趨勢那OECD他們就指出2023年的就業展望他明確的指出在未來的10到15年\n\n00:57.881 --> 01:26.277\n有14%的職業會消失因為AI自動化的一個提升另外有32%的這樣的一個比例的職業他面臨結構的一個重整那管理顧問公司麥肯錫他也指出未來全球因為AI自動化的這樣一個趨勢會有8億個工作機會會消失會被自動化來取代那\n\n01:29.163 --> 01:54.635\n職業結構的這樣的一個重構造成勞工工作風險的一個增加而且也可能導致就業機會的減少這是我們在追求AI自動化快速發展提升更進步科技的產業跟生活的時候面對勞工的這樣一個困境數位部也必須要有相關的因應那\n\n01:55.885 --> 02:10.670\n我們來看相關的這種AI對勞工生活的這樣的一個衝擊數位部有做基本的盤整嗎另外工作會被AI取代工作需要這種\n\n02:12.512 --> 02:40.652\n重構或者是再設計的這樣的一個職業我們必須要提出針對性的一個相關的因應那確保勞工在AI快速發展的時候有基本的工作權益受到保障來請部長簡單的說明一下報告委員這個就是我們也是我們所關心的議題所以我們在我們現在在草泥的這個AI基本法確實有強調以人為本就要特別注重這個勞工的問題\n\n02:42.173 --> 03:01.147\n那這個將來我們會在基本法裡面去有一些指引讓這個將來的這個我們在這個就業市場上能夠不要因為AI的發展而嚴重影響到勞工的權益那當然這方面另外一邊就是我們也提供很多訓練的一些program\n\n03:01.627 --> 03:16.936\n就是說不管是百工百業就算是勞工一樣要對怎麼樣利用AI來增加工作效率這件事情我們也會持續的去訓練讓這個將來的勞工也因為有這樣關係他能夠學到更好的技能來工作上吸入他\n\n03:17.356 --> 03:33.115\n這是部長一個基本的想法啦那我們來看AI的這種職場的應用啊必須要有基本的規範要避免歧視的跟不透明這樣一個狀況的一個發生那AI它不只是\n\n03:34.296 --> 03:50.709\n重塑相關工作的內容職務或者是他的一個任務他其實也成為勞工評估招募跟管理的一個工具這就涉及到就業的歧視勞工的隱私還有資訊的一個知情權\n\n03:51.590 --> 04:12.347\n那AI它現在是成為人力資源工具這是一個趨勢那演算法的一個篩選機制的不透明也會引發這種就業的歧視這就是說AI對就業歧視的這種放大的效應其實在全球的\n\n04:13.688 --> 04:40.134\n案例中已經有非常多的案例像這個Amazon它使用一套AI的履歷的一個篩選工具那它結果它會自動降低女性申請人的這樣的一個排序因為在演算法當中它自動會學會高科技的這樣的不管是高科技產業或科技產業他們的\n\n04:43.561 --> 05:02.366\n入企的人數大部分都是男性為主所以這樣的一個演算法就會自動降低女性她們要去求職的一個排序那這些都是演算法對於社會既有的社會偏見它給予制度化\n\n05:03.588 --> 05:26.476\n隱形化甚至是規模化的一個結果那我建議是要接近歐盟建立這種高風險AI職場的應用清單就是說例如自動面試的篩選績效的評分系統要強制的事先的這樣的一個審查跟資訊的一個揭露\n\n05:27.264 --> 05:43.471\n那這個部分另外就是說雇主對於要導入這種AI系統的時候也要對勞工進行相關的知情的同意的流程就是說明確告知相關的資料收集以及用途\n\n05:44.351 --> 06:05.808\n決策參數等等項目來部長簡單說明一下這個委員的關心謝謝委員的建議這些也提示我們的關心我們現在在發展AI同時我們也比較可信TrustworthAI就是可信任的AI那我們部裡面為了這個事情我們也做了一些工作包括我們有評測中心包括我們有一些檢測機制確定你用的AI模型要符合一些規範\n\n06:07.249 --> 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