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00:01:06,091\n那這個TalentTaiwan這個國際人才服務及演展中心它其實是個委外的一個經營的一個方式對不對是的那我想請教一下從我們開始在做這樣的委外動作到目前為止總共的委外金額大概是多少錢委外金額可能這邊大概\n\n4\n00:01:09,639 --> 00:01:13,002\n這幾年?這幾年,114年是5350萬,113年是3760萬,112年是4940萬所以總共加起來大概多少?我加起來大概1.5億多\n\n5\n00:01:27,488 --> 00:01:41,440\n1.5億多那總共有多少的就業金卡人次目前是13603張大概1.3萬人次左右那這樣除起來的時候就發現說就是我們在委外金額當中大概1.54億那麼發出1.3萬就平均一張的成本\n\n6\n00:01:46,224 --> 00:02:13,773\n就是大概是要1.2萬要1.2萬那本席是覺得比較有趣的狀態是說我們在這樣子的一個TalentTaiwan的一個網站上面他特別講到說所有的申請程序都可在網路上自行完成不需要外部顧問私人機構或公司來代辦那以這樣的一個情況之下的時候主委你覺得說一個就業金卡人士1.2萬的一個成本你覺得高不高\n\n7\n00:02:16,134 --> 00:02:30,828\n這個我們曾經檢討過跟委員有報告其實這個就業金卡這個TalentTaiwan的單位它還有好多功能包括對外宣傳的功能它還有去解決旅居台灣外國人士的各種問題\n\n8\n00:02:32,049 --> 00:02:50,425\n包括前一陣子我們被要求在別的縣市設服務中心原因是很多人要跑到台北來那他們有些稅務的問題所以它不只是一個攬柴狀它還有做一些後續服務的一些動作嘛對不對還有海外宣傳的部分OK那我想問一下喔TaylandTaiwan這它算是一個公務組織嗎\n\n9\n00:02:53,237 --> 00:03:14,098\n他是一個委辦單位委辦單位他不是一個公務組織嘛對不對那我想因為我在看了一下這部分的時候我就把從109年開始委外到112年成立到目前為止的時候我就發現都是同樣的一家公司在做他資本也不高可是他一開始橫空出世的時候他是\n\n10\n00:03:16,223 --> 00:03:37,357\n就是打敗了台灣經濟研究院的一個競爭的關係然後這段時間來大概持續拿到了我們國發會至少10次的一個標案那也許用變更設計或用什麼樣變更的一個合約的方式或怎麼樣的方式那總共有10次的一個標案\n\n11\n00:03:39,358 --> 00:04:06,505\n那我特別為什麼會特別提到這個狀態呢是因為我比較好奇是這家公司他有什麼過人之處因為他是用限制性招標上來的那感覺好像是國發會特定的御用的一個單位那可不可以請主委稍微講一下說這家公司他的一個情況然後目前的表現如何因為五年前的事我可能請我們處長來回答OK\n\n12\n00:04:09,796 --> 00:04:24,195\n謝謝委員的一個關心那有關於我們委辦團隊這個背景那其實跟委員報告一開始是我們委辦團隊他們原本是這個方舟福泰公司他是在做有共享辦公室的就是共享辦公室嗎\n\n13\n00:04:25,296 --> 00:04:41,184\n有接觸一些外國人也協助外國人他們在取得金卡的一些問題那後來我們接觸之後也覺得他很適合來提供就業金卡的服務所以我們有先進行一些前期的研究之後我們公開招揚沒有沒有我們其實這過程之中有邀請可是我們還是公開的招揚\n\n14\n00:04:48,488 --> 00:05:02,847\n那我想特別請教你是那個人力發展處處長我想請教一下主委我們國發會裡頭的預算原額總共有520人嘛對不對我們在整個人力發展處整個原額有多少人\n\n15\n00:05:04,687 --> 00:05:33,166\n我們40位但是我們預算原額跟實際原額我們實際原額只有490位左右那實際的原額是490位嗎那人力發展處這邊實際的原額有多少人40位因為我們很大的比例在國家檔案局也佔了200那我想特別就教一下主委因為我看了一下我們的預算書當中的時候就是我們的人力發展處就是他\n\n16\n00:05:34,534 --> 00:05:57,379\n的一年的預算大概是九千一百八十三九千一百八十一萬應該沒有錯然後我就發現他用八千九百萬在推動人口及移民政策延展國際人才其中裡面有八千八百五十萬都是委辦費用他的委辦費用高達整個這個處的預算的96.39%\n\n17\n00:06:02,045 --> 00:06:14,862\n那本席比較疑惑的是如果說全部的預算都用在尾辦這個部分的時候那原本這些編制裡面的人他們最主要在做什麼部分\n\n18\n00:06:16,048 --> 00:06:39,733\n我們主要是這個委辦部分主要是在Talent台灣去服務這些外國人士的費用以外剩下的都是在我們內部做各種研究跟這個政策其實因為在這個這個像這個處的當中的時候因為它96%都是委辦費啦那我想說針對這個部分我想請主委就是幫我了解一下這整個的一個狀態再給本席一個\n\n19\n00:06:42,333 --> 00:07:03,705\n給你一個書面報告再跟本儀做一個說明那另外一個部分因為現在我們不只是要攬財的一個問題因為現在台灣其實一般的缺工的情況非常非常的普遍所以我這邊會特別提到一個狀態就是以目前來說的時候我們營造產業大概是15個職缺搶一個人\n\n20\n00:07:05,886 --> 00:07:33,321\n我們看到這邊就是產業供需比例倒數五名的時候包括營造建築位15個職缺只有一個搶一個人那住宿餐飲也非常的缺人批發零售也非常的缺人醫療保健也缺人一般服務業都缺人那麼在職缺人數當中的時候批發零售缺最多可是我們看到一個情況就是說我們要從國際攬財沒有問題我們本席也支持可是我們看到\n\n21\n00:07:35,062 --> 00:07:48,332\n113年大學畢業生就是很多人其實都沒有找工作或者是不想找工作我們看到113年他的未投保率大學畢業生未投保率有高達32.9%32.9%\n\n22\n00:07:54,078 --> 00:08:19,086\n那麼比例非常的高那我想說請教一下主委針對大學畢業生他們沒有投入職場情況是什麼那因為他們很可能情況他們可能也沒有出國也沒有就學那可能就躺平了那是什麼樣的情況發生這樣的情況可以請主委做個簡單的一個回應這個部分我想我們會\n\n23\n00:08:21,167 --> 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主委平安我想說今天我們是針對外國人專業人才的延攬及僱傭法的一個修法的部分我想特別針對這個部分來就教於主委一下因為我們針對就業金卡這個部分我們其實就是有成立一個Taren Taiwan這樣子的一個機構\n那這個Talent Taiwan這個國際人才服務及演展中心它其實是個委外的一個經營的一個方式對不對是的那我想請教一下從我們開始在做這樣的委外動作到目前為止總共的委外金額大概是多少錢委外金額可能這邊大概\n這幾年?這幾年,114年是5350萬,113年是3760萬,112年是4940萬所以總共加起來大概多少?我加起來大概1.5億多\n1.5億多那總共有多少的就業金卡人次目前是13603張大概1.3萬人次左右那這樣除起來的時候就發現說就是我們在委外金額當中大概1.54億那麼發出1.3萬就平均一張的成本\n就是大概是要1.2萬要1.2萬那本席是覺得比較有趣的狀態是說我們在這樣子的一個Talent Taiwan的一個網站上面他特別講到說所有的申請程序都可在網路上自行完成不需要外部顧問私人機構或公司來代辦那以這樣的一個情況之下的時候主委你覺得說一個就業金卡人士1.2萬的一個成本你覺得高不高\n這個我們曾經檢討過跟委員有報告其實這個就業金卡這個Talent Taiwan的單位它還有好多功能包括對外宣傳的功能它還有去解決旅居台灣外國人士的各種問題\n包括前一陣子我們被要求在別的縣市設服務中心原因是很多人要跑到台北來那他們有些稅務的問題所以它不只是一個攬柴狀它還有做一些後續服務的一些動作嘛對不對還有海外宣傳的部分OK 那我想問一下喔Tayland 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可是我們還是公開的招揚\n那我想特別請教你是那個人力發展處處長我想請教一下主委我們國發會裡頭的預算原額總共有520人嘛對不對我們在整個人力發展處整個原額有多少人\n我們40位但是我們預算原額跟實際原額我們實際原額只有490位左右那實際的原額是490位嗎那人力發展處這邊實際的原額有多少人40位因為我們很大的比例在國家檔案局也佔了200那我想特別就教一下主委因為我看了一下我們的預算書當中的時候就是我們的人力發展處就是他\n的一年的預算大概是九千一百八十三九千一百八十一萬應該沒有錯然後我就發現他用八千九百萬在推動人口及移民政策延展國際人才其中裡面有八千八百五十萬都是委辦費用他的委辦費用高達整個這個處的預算的96.39%\n那本席比較疑惑的是如果說全部的預算都用在尾辦這個部分的時候那原本這些編制裡面的人他們最主要在做什麼部分\n我們主要是這個委辦部分主要是在Talent台灣去服務這些外國人士的費用以外剩下的都是在我們內部做各種研究跟這個政策其實因為在這個這個像這個處的當中的時候因為它96%都是委辦費啦那我想說針對這個部分我想請主委就是幫我了解一下這整個的一個狀態再給本席一個\n給你一個書面報告再跟本儀做一個說明那另外一個部分因為現在我們不只是要攬財的一個問題因為現在台灣其實一般的缺工的情況非常非常的普遍所以我這邊會特別提到一個狀態就是以目前來說的時候我們營造產業大概是15個職缺搶一個人\n我們看到這邊就是產業供需比例倒數五名的時候包括營造建築位15個職缺只有一個搶一個人那住宿餐飲也非常的缺人批發零售也非常的缺人醫療保健也缺人一般服務業都缺人那麼在職缺人數當中的時候批發零售缺最多可是我們看到一個情況就是說我們要從國際攬財沒有問題我們本席也支持可是我們看到\n113年大學畢業生就是很多人其實都沒有找工作或者是不想找工作我們看到113年他的未投保率大學畢業生未投保率有高達32.9%32.9%\n那麼比例非常的高那我想說請教一下主委針對大學畢業生他們沒有投入職場情況是什麼那因為他們很可能情況他們可能也沒有出國也沒有就學那可能就躺平了那是什麼樣的情況發生這樣的情況可以請主委做個簡單的一個回應這個部分我想我們會\n是不是讓我們會同勞動部這個數據來自勞動部我們來了解一下然後給您一個書面報告因為這個看起來有很多各種可能的原因是因為我們要國際攬財可是因為我們本國的勞工其實也沒有出來工作那我覺得這是一個我們必須要雙管家來解決台灣的一個勞動市場當中一個很重要的問題那我特別也提到狀態113年畢業的這個數字裡面還有一個數字是\n有高達將近15%的人都採取部分工時的一個情況他們並沒有真正全職的投入職場當中那我想說請主委這邊再給本席一個很清楚的相關資料好的因為這個坦白講在疫情之後零工經濟形成就變成這種趴帶制變成全球的趨勢再給本席一個更完整一點的說明給您一個說明好謝謝主委主委平安謝謝好\n謝謝鄭正前委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.746 --> 00:10.891\n謝主席,我想請一下劉主委來,請主委\n\n00:19.181 --> 00:43.679\n主委好主委平安我想說今天我們是針對外國人專業人才的延攬及僱傭法的一個修法的部分我想特別針對這個部分來就教於主委一下因為我們針對就業金卡這個部分我們其實就是有成立一個TarenTaiwan這樣子的一個機構\n\n00:45.220 --> 01:06.091\n那這個TalentTaiwan這個國際人才服務及演展中心它其實是個委外的一個經營的一個方式對不對是的那我想請教一下從我們開始在做這樣的委外動作到目前為止總共的委外金額大概是多少錢委外金額可能這邊大概\n\n01:09.639 --> 01:13.002\n這幾年?這幾年,114年是5350萬,113年是3760萬,112年是4940萬所以總共加起來大概多少?我加起來大概1.5億多\n\n01:27.488 --> 01:41.440\n1.5億多那總共有多少的就業金卡人次目前是13603張大概1.3萬人次左右那這樣除起來的時候就發現說就是我們在委外金額當中大概1.54億那麼發出1.3萬就平均一張的成本\n\n01:46.224 --> 02:13.773\n就是大概是要1.2萬要1.2萬那本席是覺得比較有趣的狀態是說我們在這樣子的一個TalentTaiwan的一個網站上面他特別講到說所有的申請程序都可在網路上自行完成不需要外部顧問私人機構或公司來代辦那以這樣的一個情況之下的時候主委你覺得說一個就業金卡人士1.2萬的一個成本你覺得高不高\n\n02:16.134 --> 02:30.828\n這個我們曾經檢討過跟委員有報告其實這個就業金卡這個TalentTaiwan的單位它還有好多功能包括對外宣傳的功能它還有去解決旅居台灣外國人士的各種問題\n\n02:32.049 --> 02:50.425\n包括前一陣子我們被要求在別的縣市設服務中心原因是很多人要跑到台北來那他們有些稅務的問題所以它不只是一個攬柴狀它還有做一些後續服務的一些動作嘛對不對還有海外宣傳的部分OK那我想問一下喔TaylandTaiwan這它算是一個公務組織嗎\n\n02:53.237 --> 03:14.098\n他是一個委辦單位委辦單位他不是一個公務組織嘛對不對那我想因為我在看了一下這部分的時候我就把從109年開始委外到112年成立到目前為止的時候我就發現都是同樣的一家公司在做他資本也不高可是他一開始橫空出世的時候他是\n\n03:16.223 --> 03:37.357\n就是打敗了台灣經濟研究院的一個競爭的關係然後這段時間來大概持續拿到了我們國發會至少10次的一個標案那也許用變更設計或用什麼樣變更的一個合約的方式或怎麼樣的方式那總共有10次的一個標案\n\n03:39.358 --> 04:06.505\n那我特別為什麼會特別提到這個狀態呢是因為我比較好奇是這家公司他有什麼過人之處因為他是用限制性招標上來的那感覺好像是國發會特定的御用的一個單位那可不可以請主委稍微講一下說這家公司他的一個情況然後目前的表現如何因為五年前的事我可能請我們處長來回答OK\n\n04:09.796 --> 04:24.195\n謝謝委員的一個關心那有關於我們委辦團隊這個背景那其實跟委員報告一開始是我們委辦團隊他們原本是這個方舟福泰公司他是在做有共享辦公室的就是共享辦公室嗎\n\n04:25.296 --> 04:41.184\n有接觸一些外國人也協助外國人他們在取得金卡的一些問題那後來我們接觸之後也覺得他很適合來提供就業金卡的服務所以我們有先進行一些前期的研究之後我們公開招揚沒有沒有我們其實這過程之中有邀請可是我們還是公開的招揚\n\n04:48.488 --> 05:02.847\n那我想特別請教你是那個人力發展處處長我想請教一下主委我們國發會裡頭的預算原額總共有520人嘛對不對我們在整個人力發展處整個原額有多少人\n\n05:04.687 --> 05:33.166\n我們40位但是我們預算原額跟實際原額我們實際原額只有490位左右那實際的原額是490位嗎那人力發展處這邊實際的原額有多少人40位因為我們很大的比例在國家檔案局也佔了200那我想特別就教一下主委因為我看了一下我們的預算書當中的時候就是我們的人力發展處就是他\n\n05:34.534 --> 05:57.379\n的一年的預算大概是九千一百八十三九千一百八十一萬應該沒有錯然後我就發現他用八千九百萬在推動人口及移民政策延展國際人才其中裡面有八千八百五十萬都是委辦費用他的委辦費用高達整個這個處的預算的96.39%\n\n06:02.045 --> 06:14.862\n那本席比較疑惑的是如果說全部的預算都用在尾辦這個部分的時候那原本這些編制裡面的人他們最主要在做什麼部分\n\n06:16.048 --> 06:39.733\n我們主要是這個委辦部分主要是在Talent台灣去服務這些外國人士的費用以外剩下的都是在我們內部做各種研究跟這個政策其實因為在這個這個像這個處的當中的時候因為它96%都是委辦費啦那我想說針對這個部分我想請主委就是幫我了解一下這整個的一個狀態再給本席一個\n\n06:42.333 --> 07:03.705\n給你一個書面報告再跟本儀做一個說明那另外一個部分因為現在我們不只是要攬財的一個問題因為現在台灣其實一般的缺工的情況非常非常的普遍所以我這邊會特別提到一個狀態就是以目前來說的時候我們營造產業大概是15個職缺搶一個人\n\n07:05.886 --> 07:33.321\n我們看到這邊就是產業供需比例倒數五名的時候包括營造建築位15個職缺只有一個搶一個人那住宿餐飲也非常的缺人批發零售也非常的缺人醫療保健也缺人一般服務業都缺人那麼在職缺人數當中的時候批發零售缺最多可是我們看到一個情況就是說我們要從國際攬財沒有問題我們本席也支持可是我們看到\n\n07:35.062 --> 07:48.332\n113年大學畢業生就是很多人其實都沒有找工作或者是不想找工作我們看到113年他的未投保率大學畢業生未投保率有高達32.9%32.9%\n\n07:54.078 --> 08:19.086\n那麼比例非常的高那我想說請教一下主委針對大學畢業生他們沒有投入職場情況是什麼那因為他們很可能情況他們可能也沒有出國也沒有就學那可能就躺平了那是什麼樣的情況發生這樣的情況可以請主委做個簡單的一個回應這個部分我想我們會\n\n08:21.167 --> 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time制變成全球的趨勢啦。"],["鄭委員正鈐：OK，再給本席一個更完整一點的說明，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們會給您一個說明。"],["鄭委員正鈐：好，謝謝主委，主委平安，謝謝。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：謝謝、謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭正鈐委員。","下一位請楊瓊瓔委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":328,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-19,26,22-1","speakers":["蔡易餘","羅美玲","邱議瑩","萬美玲","葛如鈞","鄭正鈐","楊瓊瓔","吳沛憶","張啓楷","林宜瑾","林岱樺","賴瑞隆","陳秀寳","呂玉玲","陳菁徽","劉建國","葉元之","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳超明","黃秀芳","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","羅廷瑋","陳亭妃","張雅琳","范雲","郭昱晴","王正旭","蔡易餘","謝衣鳯","麥玉珍","邱志偉","林月琴","張嘉郡","陳昭姿","蘇清泉","柯志恩","林淑芬","邱鎮軍","王育敏"],"page_start":231,"meetingDate":["2025-06-18"],"gazette_id":"1146001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146001_00010"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"審查：(一)行政院函請審議「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案、(二)本院委員何欣純等\n19人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十二條及第十四條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員陳\n亭妃等16 人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第四條、第六條及第十四條條文修正草案」案、\n(四)本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案、(五)本院委員羅美\n玲等16人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1146001_00014"}}}