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00:02:21,403\n我跟委員報告那基本上我們跟TASA跟CASA比起來其實目前在經費跟人力大概都只有人家的五分之一那原因很簡單以前我們整個太空計畫其實是非常的保守的像以TASA為例它也是在兩年前才\n\n9\n00:02:22,304 --> 00:02:42,511\n正式成為行政法人之後才開始有比較遠大的計畫所以目前看起來都是比較實際上的東西因為你沒有實際上的目標基本上科技預算是很難爭取到的至於是不是有一個有很宏大的願景我們是有很宏大的願景我請吳主任說明一下好謝謝\n\n10\n00:02:43,211 --> 00:02:58,828\n我想全世界的太空科技對台灣也一樣我們大概有兩個最重要的願景第一個是維護國家安全因為剛講過這個太空的資產其實是Dualuse民用也可以還有國家需要也可以\n\n11\n00:02:59,028 --> 00:03:27,561\n第二個是我想一個很重要的任務是要促進台灣的太空經濟的發展成為全世界整個太空產業一個很重要的供應鏈之一這是兩個最重要的願景根據這個願景才會發展出這些剛剛講的衛星、雷射光動力甚至衛星載具的發展這樣整個計畫才有辦法去但是因為我們的經費以前長期30年其實如果跟韓國比起來大概差了快5倍這個我們是需要時間\n\n12\n00:03:28,801 --> 00:03:56,984\n去追上的所以我之所以這樣提所以我認為就是說當然我們還是要我們會要進行實質面的盤點然後設立這些新竹的各個下面的子計畫的一些目標我們才能夠去爭取預算所以我自己認為我們畢竟是競逐太空是世界現在最重要的一個任務一個工作我們應該還是要一個我們到底要站在哪個位置我們才足以競逐太空對不對所以這個願景的目標應該還是要非常非常的明確\n\n13\n00:03:58,385 --> 00:04:12,436\n那這個就變成是說我接下來有幾個點因為剛剛其實但是主任跟副主委其中都有做一些說明就是在經費的部分那經費的部分目前看起來我們直接到這一頁好了我們的確是略遜一籌啦但是其實我們在這個在\n\n14\n00:04:22,031 --> 00:04:41,929\n我們在第三期的時候呢當時是有你們送到行政院要把實質的時程再往上拉拉到2031年然後經費其實我們又再加碼了超過400億那所以政策目標上面並沒有再做一些新的調整呢在針對這第三期的延長跟加碼之後\n\n15\n00:04:44,089 --> 00:05:07,427\n那个跟委员报告那基本上我们现在做的是比较务实基本上就是希望未来台湾在这个遥测卫星还有LEO就是低轨道通讯卫星的部分都能够有自己的这个完整的心系然后同时候呢除了兼顾国家安全之外也能够把产业所以目标是没有修正对对对目标没有修正只在食物面上面的工作项目做调整主要是要把那个通讯的产业\n\n16\n00:05:08,268 --> 00:05:27,257\n整個台灣的產業帶起來好了解那我就問一個問題那就是說因為目前看起來就是說我們在113年的話產值推估大概是2600到2800億嘛對不對那主要成長就是這個B5G嘛那我們是有辦法達成118年我們現在有設定一個目標嘛就是衛星產值要達照這個目標現在是可行的嗎你們現在評估\n\n17\n00:05:29,675 --> 00:05:49,302\n根據我成長的情形還有因為台灣本身在半導體跟ICT這兩個東西在全世界的衛星產業裡面非常非常重要所以我想這個成長是可以預期的但是我看一下因為你們自己寫說設定產值要打造的話目標每年要成長28.21%但這幾年其實只有9%實際上跟目標落差非常大\n\n18\n00:05:53,973 --> 00:06:03,651\n我想是有很多基礎建設要完備以後才有辦法成長比較快所以那這到底是因為我們現在已經114年了嘛你基礎設施什麼時候完備因為你目標是在118年就要達成啦\n\n19\n00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:24,560\n我這個舉那個SRB的一個我們就自主開發這個低軌通訊衛星的籌載這個為例這個東西就是我們希望未來可以建置國內非常完整的ODM的生態系就像現在台灣的ICT產業一樣有這個能力以後你才有辦法去接人家全世界的\n\n20\n00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:46,423\n我懂我的意思是說好沒關係因為時間有限好那我想沒關係這個事後呢因為既然118年剛剛說是可以達成達到照這個目標產值達照這個目標的話那我就需要知道說你們怎麼去達成這118年會達照因為以目前我收到的數字來說我自己算了一下基本上應該是非常困難才對\n\n21\n00:06:47,264 --> 00:07:00,695\n好但是你剛有說基礎建設如果做好後面就會快好那我也同意那我就想知道那這個時程你們大概是怎麼樣那這個是不是會後我們再約來討論或是給我分報告可以嗎好不好可以來說明那我最後抱歉我再講一件事情就是說\n\n22\n00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:21,249\n因為我們其實在目前我們其實是希望說因為剛剛有講其實我們有做很多的基礎建設對不對希望可以達成國家安全國家的這個發展等等的那我們之前是有一個目標希望我們可以達成百分之百完全台制那這幾年我們持續的往這個目標前進嘛那下一個\n\n23\n00:07:22,330 --> 00:07:41,184\n福衛八號是有機會達到這個目標的嗎或者是說如果達不到百分之百他會突破裂縫者的百分之八十三嗎當然會突破大概我們目標是因為我們福巴有好幾顆嘛到最後希望可以九十五%為什麼要有其他五%因為有些東西沒有必要自己做啦是\n\n24\n00:07:42,465 --> 00:07:58,120\n對因為這個提到就是說沒有辦法達現在因為好像從審計部的報告來看是因為電池還有S頻段收發機以及反應輪技術門檻非常高所以自製現在是自製欸不對喔這個是現在我收到的資料是你們自製上無法取代外購欸\n\n25\n00:07:59,936 --> 00:08:24,849\n其實像插片的那個傳輸片其實都可以自製然後現在我們有兩個一個是solarpanel然後再加上電池這兩塊其他的大概都快接近成熟的階段了所以你的意思是說我們可以期待福衛八號達成95%對對這是我們的目標這是你們的目標對OK好那這個的話可不可以再把相關的計劃和說明提供給我好不好好沒問題好謝謝\n\n26\n00:08:28,055 --> 00:08:28,235\n郭婉嫻議員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5925\t10656\t謝謝主席 我們邀請副組委跟太空中心的主任好 林副組委還有吳主任請\n12165\t34648\t我可以先請主任講一下嗎?我剛剛有聽到外美領委員有關心有關於BG-5的一個現在製作的一個狀況,跟我們工研院的一個合作的狀況那其實因為我上次的諮詢,在諮詢國會的時候,我就非常關心我們這個B5G的這件事情所以這個目前聽起來好像是你們會回去再做一些討論,那這個是不是有結論的時候呢?也可以讓我們有這份報告呢?\n36169\t42496\t你可以跟我們說明我想大家都非常關心這件事情這個是可以的嗎是沒問題那我們就先回來今天我要質詢的問題\n45851\t69054\t主要是說,因為其實我看到2024年5月的時候呢,韓國的宇宙航空廳呢,他們被稱為是全韓國,他們是要來發展航空的一些航天技術啦,然後來發展這個對於航天產業等等的標誌的韓國的太空人,要進入一個新的世代喔。\n69674\t86328\t那也要推動韓國成為全球的太空強國並且他們已經宣示了一個目標是要擠進全世界前五強那他們甚至也成立了一個太空政策的一個決策委員會像是太空委員會那也寫出了非常清楚的五年的願景\n87669\t107443\t那我自己在想說其實兩國的太空使其實我們並沒有起步的比較晚可是我們好像走的方向有點不太一樣因為他們的目標其實是世界前五強可是我們在第三期的太空計畫呢我們的主要目標我覺得我們是這樣寫的就是要發展高解析度的光學遙測衛星超高解析度的光學衛星組成完成的星系守護台灣\n108423\t122209\t這些好像都是比較一個實質面實務面的東西它不是一個更願景面的東西所以我會認為說可能這個我們到底雖然我們這樣寫但我們心裡有沒有一個目標我們要成為世界前幾強呢\n124267\t141403\t我跟委員報告那基本上我們跟TASA跟CASA比起來其實目前在經費跟人力大概都只有人家的五分之一那原因很簡單以前我們整個太空計畫其實是非常的保守的像以TASA為例它也是在兩年前才\n142304\t162511\t正式成為行政法人之後才開始有比較遠大的計畫所以目前看起來都是比較實際上的東西因為你沒有實際上的目標基本上科技預算是很難爭取到的至於是不是有一個有很宏大的願景我們是有很宏大的願景我請吳主任說明一下好 謝謝\n163211\t178828\t我想全世界的太空科技對台灣也一樣我們大概有兩個最重要的願景第一個是維護國家安全因為剛講過這個太空的資產其實是Dual use民用也可以還有國家需要也可以\n179028\t207561\t第二個是我想一個很重要的任務是要促進台灣的太空經濟的發展成為全世界整個太空產業一個很重要的供應鏈之一這是兩個最重要的願景根據這個願景才會發展出這些剛剛講的衛星、雷射光動力甚至衛星載具的發展這樣整個計畫才有辦法去但是因為我們的經費以前長期30年其實如果跟韓國比起來大概差了快5倍這個我們是需要時間\n208801\t236984\t去追上的所以我之所以這樣提所以我認為就是說當然我們還是要我們會要進行實質面的盤點然後設立這些新竹的各個下面的子計畫的一些目標我們才能夠去爭取預算所以我自己認為我們畢竟是競逐太空是世界現在最重要的一個任務一個工作我們應該還是要一個我們到底要站在哪個位置我們才足以競逐太空對不對所以這個願景的目標應該還是要非常非常的明確\n238385\t252436\t那這個就變成是說我接下來有幾個點因為剛剛其實但是主任跟副主委其中都有做一些說明就是在經費的部分那經費的部分目前看起來我們直接到這一頁好了我們的確是略遜一籌啦但是其實我們在這個在\n262031\t281929\t我們在第三期的時候呢當時是有你們送到行政院要把實質的時程再往上拉拉到2031年然後經費其實我們又再加碼了超過400億那所以政策目標上面並沒有再做一些新的調整呢在針對這第三期的延長跟加碼之後\n284089\t307427\t那个跟委员报告那基本上我们现在做的是比较务实基本上就是希望未来台湾在这个遥测卫星还有LEO就是低轨道通讯卫星的部分都能够有自己的这个完整的心系然后同时候呢除了兼顾国家安全之外也能够把产业所以目标是没有修正对对对目标没有修正只在食物面上面的工作项目做调整主要是要把那个通讯的产业\n308268\t327257\t整個台灣的產業帶起來好 了解那我就問一個問題那就是說因為目前看起來就是說我們在113年的話產值推估大概是2600到2800億嘛對不對那主要成長就是這個B5G嘛那我們是有辦法達成118年我們現在有設定一個目標嘛就是衛星產值要達照這個目標現在是可行的嗎你們現在評估\n329675\t349302\t根據我成長的情形還有因為台灣本身在半導體跟ICT這兩個東西在全世界的衛星產業裡面非常非常重要所以我想這個成長是可以預期的但是我看一下因為你們自己寫說設定產值要打造的話目標每年要成長28.21%但這幾年其實只有9%實際上跟目標落差非常大\n353973\t363651\t我想是有很多基礎建設要完備以後才有辦法成長比較快所以那這到底是因為我們現在已經114年了嘛你基礎設施什麼時候完備因為你目標是在118年就要達成啦\n366491\t384560\t我這個舉那個SRB的一個我們就自主開發這個低軌通訊衛星的籌載這個為例這個東西就是我們希望未來可以建置國內非常完整的ODM的生態系就像現在台灣的ICT產業一樣有這個能力以後你才有辦法去接人家全世界的\n385240\t406423\t我懂我的意思是說好沒關係因為時間有限好那我想沒關係這個事後呢因為既然118年剛剛說是可以達成達到照這個目標產值達照這個目標的話那我就需要知道說你們怎麼去達成這118年會達照因為以目前我收到的數字來說我自己算了一下基本上應該是非常困難才對\n407264\t420695\t好但是你剛有說基礎建設如果做好後面就會快好那我也同意那我就想知道那這個時程你們大概是怎麼樣那這個是不是會後我們再約來討論或是給我分報告可以嗎好不好可以來說明那我最後抱歉我再講一件事情就是說\n422589\t441249\t因為我們其實在目前我們其實是希望說因為剛剛有講其實我們有做很多的基礎建設對不對希望可以達成國家安全國家的這個發展等等的那我們之前是有一個目標希望我們可以達成百分之百完全台制那這幾年我們持續的往這個目標前進嘛那下一個\n442330\t461184\t福衛八號是有機會達到這個目標的嗎或者是說如果達不到百分之百他會突破裂縫者的百分之八十三嗎當然會突破大概我們目標是因為我們福巴有好幾顆嘛到最後希望可以九十五%為什麼要有其他五%因為有些東西沒有必要自己做啦是\n462465\t478120\t對 因為這個提到就是說沒有辦法達現在因為好像從審計部的報告來看是因為電池還有S頻段收發機以及反應輪技術門檻非常高所以自製 現在是自製欸不對喔 這個是現在我收到的資料是你們自製上無法取代外購欸\n479936\t504849\t其實像插片的那個傳輸片其實都可以自製然後現在我們有兩個一個是solar panel然後再加上電池這兩塊其他的大概都快接近成熟的階段了所以你的意思是說我們可以期待福衛八號達成95%對對這是我們的目標這是你們的目標對OK好那這個的話可不可以再把相關的計劃和說明提供給我好不好好沒問題好謝謝\n508055\t508235\t郭婉嫻議員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們邀請副組委跟太空中心的主任好 林副組委還有吳主任請\n我可以先請主任講一下嗎?我剛剛有聽到外美領委員有關心有關於BG-5的一個現在製作的一個狀況,跟我們工研院的一個合作的狀況那其實因為我上次的諮詢,在諮詢國會的時候,我就非常關心我們這個B5G的這件事情所以這個目前聽起來好像是你們會回去再做一些討論,那這個是不是有結論的時候呢?也可以讓我們有這份報告呢?\n你可以跟我們說明我想大家都非常關心這件事情這個是可以的嗎是沒問題那我們就先回來今天我要質詢的問題\n主要是說,因為其實我看到2024年5月的時候呢,韓國的宇宙航空廳呢,他們被稱為是全韓國,他們是要來發展航空的一些航天技術啦,然後來發展這個對於航天產業等等的標誌的韓國的太空人,要進入一個新的世代喔。\n那也要推動韓國成為全球的太空強國並且他們已經宣示了一個目標是要擠進全世界前五強那他們甚至也成立了一個太空政策的一個決策委員會像是太空委員會那也寫出了非常清楚的五年的願景\n那我自己在想說其實兩國的太空使其實我們並沒有起步的比較晚可是我們好像走的方向有點不太一樣因為他們的目標其實是世界前五強可是我們在第三期的太空計畫呢我們的主要目標我覺得我們是這樣寫的就是要發展高解析度的光學遙測衛星超高解析度的光學衛星組成完成的星系守護台灣\n這些好像都是比較一個實質面實務面的東西它不是一個更願景面的東西所以我會認為說可能這個我們到底雖然我們這樣寫但我們心裡有沒有一個目標我們要成為世界前幾強呢\n我跟委員報告那基本上我們跟TASA跟CASA比起來其實目前在經費跟人力大概都只有人家的五分之一那原因很簡單以前我們整個太空計畫其實是非常的保守的像以TASA為例它也是在兩年前才\n正式成為行政法人之後才開始有比較遠大的計畫所以目前看起來都是比較實際上的東西因為你沒有實際上的目標基本上科技預算是很難爭取到的至於是不是有一個有很宏大的願景我們是有很宏大的願景我請吳主任說明一下好 謝謝\n我想全世界的太空科技對台灣也一樣我們大概有兩個最重要的願景第一個是維護國家安全因為剛講過這個太空的資產其實是Dual use民用也可以還有國家需要也可以\n第二個是我想一個很重要的任務是要促進台灣的太空經濟的發展成為全世界整個太空產業一個很重要的供應鏈之一這是兩個最重要的願景根據這個願景才會發展出這些剛剛講的衛星、雷射光動力甚至衛星載具的發展這樣整個計畫才有辦法去但是因為我們的經費以前長期30年其實如果跟韓國比起來大概差了快5倍這個我們是需要時間\n去追上的所以我之所以這樣提所以我認為就是說當然我們還是要我們會要進行實質面的盤點然後設立這些新竹的各個下面的子計畫的一些目標我們才能夠去爭取預算所以我自己認為我們畢竟是競逐太空是世界現在最重要的一個任務一個工作我們應該還是要一個我們到底要站在哪個位置我們才足以競逐太空對不對所以這個願景的目標應該還是要非常非常的明確\n那這個就變成是說我接下來有幾個點因為剛剛其實但是主任跟副主委其中都有做一些說明就是在經費的部分那經費的部分目前看起來我們直接到這一頁好了我們的確是略遜一籌啦但是其實我們在這個在\n我們在第三期的時候呢當時是有你們送到行政院要把實質的時程再往上拉拉到2031年然後經費其實我們又再加碼了超過400億那所以政策目標上面並沒有再做一些新的調整呢在針對這第三期的延長跟加碼之後\n那个跟委员报告那基本上我们现在做的是比较务实基本上就是希望未来台湾在这个遥测卫星还有LEO就是低轨道通讯卫星的部分都能够有自己的这个完整的心系然后同时候呢除了兼顾国家安全之外也能够把产业所以目标是没有修正对对对目标没有修正只在食物面上面的工作项目做调整主要是要把那个通讯的产业\n整個台灣的產業帶起來好 了解那我就問一個問題那就是說因為目前看起來就是說我們在113年的話產值推估大概是2600到2800億嘛對不對那主要成長就是這個B5G嘛那我們是有辦法達成118年我們現在有設定一個目標嘛就是衛星產值要達照這個目標現在是可行的嗎你們現在評估\n根據我成長的情形還有因為台灣本身在半導體跟ICT這兩個東西在全世界的衛星產業裡面非常非常重要所以我想這個成長是可以預期的但是我看一下因為你們自己寫說設定產值要打造的話目標每年要成長28.21%但這幾年其實只有9%實際上跟目標落差非常大\n我想是有很多基礎建設要完備以後才有辦法成長比較快所以那這到底是因為我們現在已經114年了嘛你基礎設施什麼時候完備因為你目標是在118年就要達成啦\n我這個舉那個SRB的一個我們就自主開發這個低軌通訊衛星的籌載這個為例這個東西就是我們希望未來可以建置國內非常完整的ODM的生態系就像現在台灣的ICT產業一樣有這個能力以後你才有辦法去接人家全世界的\n我懂我的意思是說好沒關係因為時間有限好那我想沒關係這個事後呢因為既然118年剛剛說是可以達成達到照這個目標產值達照這個目標的話那我就需要知道說你們怎麼去達成這118年會達照因為以目前我收到的數字來說我自己算了一下基本上應該是非常困難才對\n好但是你剛有說基礎建設如果做好後面就會快好那我也同意那我就想知道那這個時程你們大概是怎麼樣那這個是不是會後我們再約來討論或是給我分報告可以嗎好不好可以來說明那我最後抱歉我再講一件事情就是說\n因為我們其實在目前我們其實是希望說因為剛剛有講其實我們有做很多的基礎建設對不對希望可以達成國家安全國家的這個發展等等的那我們之前是有一個目標希望我們可以達成百分之百完全台制那這幾年我們持續的往這個目標前進嘛那下一個\n福衛八號是有機會達到這個目標的嗎或者是說如果達不到百分之百他會突破裂縫者的百分之八十三嗎當然會突破大概我們目標是因為我們福巴有好幾顆嘛到最後希望可以九十五%為什麼要有其他五%因為有些東西沒有必要自己做啦是\n對 因為這個提到就是說沒有辦法達現在因為好像從審計部的報告來看是因為電池還有S頻段收發機以及反應輪技術門檻非常高所以自製 現在是自製欸不對喔 這個是現在我收到的資料是你們自製上無法取代外購欸\n其實像插片的那個傳輸片其實都可以自製然後現在我們有兩個一個是solar panel然後再加上電池這兩塊其他的大概都快接近成熟的階段了所以你的意思是說我們可以期待福衛八號達成95%對對這是我們的目標這是你們的目標對OK好那這個的話可不可以再把相關的計劃和說明提供給我好不好好沒問題好謝謝\n郭婉嫻議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.925 --> 00:10.656\n謝謝主席我們邀請副組委跟太空中心的主任好林副組委還有吳主任請\n\n00:12.165 --> 00:34.648\n我可以先請主任講一下嗎?我剛剛有聽到外美領委員有關心有關於BG-5的一個現在製作的一個狀況,跟我們工研院的一個合作的狀況那其實因為我上次的諮詢,在諮詢國會的時候,我就非常關心我們這個B5G的這件事情所以這個目前聽起來好像是你們會回去再做一些討論,那這個是不是有結論的時候呢?也可以讓我們有這份報告呢?\n\n00:36.169 --> 00:42.496\n你可以跟我們說明我想大家都非常關心這件事情這個是可以的嗎是沒問題那我們就先回來今天我要質詢的問題\n\n00:45.851 --> 01:09.054\n主要是說,因為其實我看到2024年5月的時候呢,韓國的宇宙航空廳呢,他們被稱為是全韓國,他們是要來發展航空的一些航天技術啦,然後來發展這個對於航天產業等等的標誌的韓國的太空人,要進入一個新的世代喔。\n\n01:09.674 --> 01:26.328\n那也要推動韓國成為全球的太空強國並且他們已經宣示了一個目標是要擠進全世界前五強那他們甚至也成立了一個太空政策的一個決策委員會像是太空委員會那也寫出了非常清楚的五年的願景\n\n01:27.669 --> 01:47.443\n那我自己在想說其實兩國的太空使其實我們並沒有起步的比較晚可是我們好像走的方向有點不太一樣因為他們的目標其實是世界前五強可是我們在第三期的太空計畫呢我們的主要目標我覺得我們是這樣寫的就是要發展高解析度的光學遙測衛星超高解析度的光學衛星組成完成的星系守護台灣\n\n01:48.423 --> 02:02.209\n這些好像都是比較一個實質面實務面的東西它不是一個更願景面的東西所以我會認為說可能這個我們到底雖然我們這樣寫但我們心裡有沒有一個目標我們要成為世界前幾強呢\n\n02:04.267 --> 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