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00:02:03,776\n謝謝委員委員的考慮是很周延的那我們從兩個部分第一個在我們國家人才競爭力方案裡面我們除了引進吸引外國人進來之外我們也有一個計畫是要降低對人力的需求那我們是希望透過AI所以我們這次在AI十大建設裡面我們也希望產業能夠推動產業大幅度的AI也就是你針對於你攬財留財的時候那你要怎麼樣\n\n7\n00:02:07,998 --> 00:02:30,396\n他留下來你怎麼做培訓以及我們國內產業的結構你怎麼樣去整合這非常重要這個人才的部分也在我們新十大建設裡面我們也有包括經濟部然後速發部我們都會對於這些人才予以協助跟幫助另外我們也培育自己的人才\n\n8\n00:02:30,856 --> 00:02:40,108\n你的重點方案是什麼呢因為你既然提出這個修法那所以本席要提問也就是留下來可以為台灣我們的產業可以創造什麼樣的\n\n9\n00:02:45,612 --> 00:03:02,103\n目標出來這第一個第二個我們也要將所有的這些細項你能夠好好的提出方案才不會淪為稅基流失以及跟我們本地勞工的一個衝突隱憂\n\n10\n00:03:03,784 --> 00:03:26,993\n請做說明這個部分我很快跟委員報告我們這個稅基它基本上它比較難如果人不進來才會流失那現在進來的人一定會繳稅那它會增加的那跟本國之間的衝突是很低的我們現在失業率是3.3%那是達到幾乎是摩擦性失業就幾乎是零失業\n\n11\n00:03:27,913 --> 00:03:39,059\n那第二個狀況是我們的人才缺口很大我們到2030年白領缺12萬就是把本國勞工本國畢業生只有18萬那我們總共需求是48萬那白領是缺12萬藍領跟灰領缺18萬\n\n12\n00:03:45,874 --> 00:04:05,208\n所以剛剛本席也特別跟你提出也就是攬財跟流財這個方向我們是全力支持但是在細目方面我們看不到你的政策實際的一個路徑到底是怎麼樣這第一個\n\n13\n00:04:05,948 --> 00:04:10,030\n第二個我們說怕會成為稅基的流失您的回答是進來就會繳稅但是我們要看的是更深一層的也就是要怎麼樣將台灣經濟帶來注意這個才是最重要的一個點所以我也希望將你們預計要怎麼做的方向然後書面資料給本席\n\n14\n00:04:31,781 --> 00:04:34,745\n因為我們也不希望它淪為是一個空談更不希望會衝擊到本國的勞工的一個權益應該要承諾你所說的它是一個互補的一個作用請將你們的入境目標方向方法\n\n15\n00:04:47,981 --> 00:05:16,676\n詳細資料給本席接下來本席要跟你討論的是內政部有一個顯示本席上一次也跟你討論過2024年我們的新生兒人口是13.4萬人退縮到1920年的一個水準2025年我們預估可能會跌破到12萬人在創下了新低的時候呢政府你為了要改善少子化所以推動了婚姻宅那透過了租屋的補助希望能夠提升結婚\n\n16\n00:05:17,116 --> 00:05:35,833\n的意願希望挽救少子化的生育率但是年輕人的不婚跟不育他不是只有一個我住得起這麼簡單的一個問題因為我們真正的問題看到了結構性的壓力低薪高房價月額\n\n17\n00:05:37,654 --> 00:05:49,204\n教育的成本脫裕以及職場缺乏彈性還有他對未來的一個失望跟無力感這些是年輕人非常大的一個衝擊那我也拿到參考了這個韓國他們在20年來耗盡了將近10兆元的台幣他為了要改善少子化\n\n18\n00:05:59,053 --> 00:06:27,920\n但是他的答案告訴我們他的生育率卻是一路下滑也就證明了你只單靠補貼是沒有辦法去解決根本的問題所以本席要請教這個議題本席跟你討論過了幾次但是看到的數字我們還是憂心忡忡也是年輕人非常大的壓力所以本席要請教國發會你認知到現行會議政策如果只聚焦在補助\n\n19\n00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:56,852\n跟這個居住它是不夠的是不是啊單純這個部分是有有幫助但是的確它還有再加強的空間有加強的空間所以面對少子化的情況越來越惡劣那你們有沒有去整合跨部會的一個整合計畫從薪資托育工時以及教育方面整體性的一個著手啊\n\n20\n00:06:58,291 --> 00:07:23,427\n跟委員報告是有的齁那個陳時中委員最近進行了一個跨部會的一個四年計畫就114年到117年的少子化的政策114到117年對那他整合了各部會來做這件事情因為是他主政嘛那這個資料應該很快就會抱怨核定請問你們預計什麼時候方案會出來\n\n21\n00:07:28,766 --> 00:07:46,159\n因為這個壓力對我們年輕人來講是壓力非常的大我們要全力來支持而且從根源來解決之那委員是不是我去請問他之後跟您報告這個時間你應該有參與吧你是國防會啊政委主持你們國防會一定要有參與啊我們是有國防會有沒有參與我們有設法處有參與在這裡有嘛那應該會知道啊什麼時候會提出呢\n\n22\n00:07:55,906 --> 00:07:59,468\n114到117啊我有看到是因為他他給到各相關部會來做修正提案現在是114啊對它是連續4年的政策對啊那方案呢現在已經是114年的6月份了欸對那怎麼可能我們主持單位政委主持你們都通通什麼時候抱歉我可惡原來我們的計畫到114年結束它是115到118了\n\n23\n00:08:23,823 --> 00:08:43,612\n115到118正確的時間是如此嗎?是嗎?因為這個我們一定要好好的協助年輕人請你盡速也給政委說這個議題對我們年輕人來講壓力非常的大一定要盡速提出來協助我們所有年輕人也救我們的少子化因為人口學政策等於是國安議題你認同嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:45,874 --> 00:08:58,787\n認同所以一起加油接下來最後一個議題本期要請教也就是你為了落實賴清德總統的人工智慧島的國家願景那國防會你提出的AI新十大建設的這個藍圖你預計規劃要投入2000億到3000億元那這個預算要打造一個智慧應用\n\n25\n00:09:07,475 --> 00:09:28,911\n以及關鍵技術以及數位基礎建設的長期國家戰略那預計在2040年的時候要創造15兆的一個產值提供50萬50萬高薪的就業機會那這個願景非常好所以本市要請教你這個計畫重點包括在扶植兆元平台軟體產業還要\n\n26\n00:09:31,333 --> 00:09:39,838\n這個推動百萬家的企業AI轉型的一個升級那你結合了大南方桃竹苗中部地區台北等六大區域來推動均衡的發展所以本期要請教到目前為止國分會你的具體機制要怎麼樣確保AI十大建設在預算\n\n27\n00:09:52,105 --> 00:10:15,366\n人才的培育以及區域的資源分配上的都能夠發揮最大的一個效能請做說明我們各項細節都對院長已經報告過了包括副院長秘書長我們都報告過了然後我們的計畫送院核定之後它就會變成各部會大家一致的執行方向\n\n28\n00:10:16,667 --> 00:10:28,173\n你講的是流程沒有回答本席剛才的提問所以從各種預算包括年度計畫方案全部都會落實下來會落實下來面對跨部會的合作以及法規調整的需求國防會你採取怎麼樣的一個措施以避免政策的碎片化請做說明\n\n29\n00:10:42,369 --> 00:10:52,494\n我們現在這個都是每一個方塊都有一個主政的部會跟協助的部會每一個方塊都有一個主政換句話說也就是有監督計劃進度跟成效的一個控管整個監督跟成效控管是由國安會的這個管考單位在負責\n\n30\n00:11:03,479 --> 00:11:13,846\n好你有管考單位在負責本席要告訴你台灣你們說的希望在2040年前達成全球AI前五強的目標是不是\n\n31\n00:11:14,796 --> 00:11:37,077\n對的我們希望是變成我們是全球的AI核心好這個非常的重要我們要全力來推動但是本席要告訴你重點也就是你們到目前為止計畫都已經給院報告你也有歸管單位那請問你的算力能源你的AI能源的最佳值\n\n32\n00:11:37,958 --> 00:11:45,974\n到底是多少你的AI新創你的科技目標你的企業接軌你的目標跟你的路徑是如何呢請做說明\n\n33\n00:11:47,888 --> 00:12:09,645\n這些都有規劃,國會也公告他在2028年要達到的算例值那加上我們把民間的加進來尤其是我們在NVIDIA在高雄的那個點甚至是比我們國家原來預估的會增加一倍所以台灣的順利將會很快的進到我們進到亞洲領先群\n\n34\n00:12:11,136 --> 00:12:28,777\n對所以這個也就是大家看我們要怎麼樣達到您所說的2040年我們是在全球這一個AI的前五強所以根據剛剛本席所提問的不管是算力能源\n\n35\n00:12:29,918 --> 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本席要請教你要如何的去整合整個產業的結構跟人才留下來之後的這個培訓請做說明\n100042\t123776\t謝謝委員委員的考慮是很周延的那我們從兩個部分第一個在我們國家人才競爭力方案裡面我們除了引進吸引外國人進來之外我們也有一個計畫是要降低對人力的需求那我們是希望透過AI所以我們這次在AI十大建設裡面我們也希望產業能夠推動產業大幅度的AI也就是你針對於你攬財留財的時候那你要怎麼樣\n127998\t150396\t他留下來你怎麼做培訓以及我們國內產業的結構你怎麼樣去整合這非常重要這個人才的部分也在我們新十大建設裡面我們也有包括經濟部然後速發部我們都會對於這些人才予以協助跟幫助另外我們也培育自己的人才\n150856\t160108\t你的重點方案是什麼呢因為你既然提出這個修法那所以本席要提問也就是留下來可以為台灣我們的產業可以創造什麼樣的\n165612\t182103\t目標出來這第一個第二個我們也要將所有的這些細項你能夠好好的提出方案才不會淪為稅基流失以及跟我們本地勞工的一個衝突隱憂\n183784\t206993\t請做說明這個部分我很快跟委員報告我們這個稅基它基本上它比較難如果人不進來才會流失那現在進來的人一定會繳稅那它會增加的那跟本國之間的衝突是很低的我們現在失業率是3.3%那是達到幾乎是摩擦性失業就幾乎是零失業\n207913\t219059\t那第二個狀況是我們的人才缺口很大我們到2030年白領缺12萬就是把本國勞工本國畢業生只有18萬那我們總共需求是48萬那白領是缺12萬藍領跟灰領缺18萬\n225874\t245208\t所以剛剛本席也特別跟你提出也就是攬財跟流財這個方向我們是全力支持但是在細目方面我們看不到你的政策實際的一個路徑到底是怎麼樣這第一個\n245948\t250030\t第二個我們說怕會成為稅基的流失您的回答是進來就會繳稅但是我們要看的是更深一層的也就是要怎麼樣將台灣經濟帶來注意這個才是最重要的一個點所以我也希望將你們預計要怎麼做的方向然後書面資料給本席\n271781\t274745\t因為我們也不希望它淪為是一個空談更不希望會衝擊到本國的勞工的一個權益應該要承諾你所說的它是一個互補的一個作用請將你們的入境目標方向方法\n287981\t316676\t詳細資料給本席接下來本席要跟你討論的是內政部有一個顯示本席上一次也跟你討論過2024年我們的新生兒人口是13.4萬人退縮到1920年的一個水準2025年我們預估可能會跌破到12萬人在創下了新低的時候呢政府你為了要改善少子化所以推動了婚姻宅那透過了租屋的補助希望能夠提升結婚\n317116\t335833\t的意願希望挽救少子化的生育率但是年輕人的不婚跟不育他不是只有一個我住得起這麼簡單的一個問題因為我們真正的問題看到了結構性的壓力低薪高房價月額\n337654\t349204\t教育的成本脫裕以及職場缺乏彈性還有他對未來的一個失望跟無力感這些是年輕人非常大的一個衝擊那我也拿到參考了這個韓國他們在20年來耗盡了將近10兆元的台幣他為了要改善少子化\n359053\t387920\t但是他的答案告訴我們他的生育率卻是一路下滑也就證明了你只單靠補貼是沒有辦法去解決根本的問題所以本席要請教這個議題本席跟你討論過了幾次但是看到的數字我們還是憂心忡忡也是年輕人非常大的壓力所以本席要請教國發會你認知到現行會議政策如果只聚焦在補助\n388720\t416852\t跟這個居住它是不夠的是不是啊單純這個部分是有有幫助但是的確它還有再加強的空間有加強的空間所以面對少子化的情況越來越惡劣那你們有沒有去整合跨部會的一個整合計畫從薪資托育工時以及教育方面整體性的一個著手啊\n418291\t443427\t跟委員報告是有的齁那個陳時中委員最近進行了一個跨部會的一個四年計畫就114年到117年的少子化的政策114到117年對那他整合了各部會來做這件事情因為是他主政嘛那這個資料應該很快就會抱怨核定請問你們預計什麼時候方案會出來\n448766\t466159\t因為這個壓力對我們年輕人來講是壓力非常的大我們要全力來支持而且從根源來解決之那委員是不是我去請問他之後跟您報告這個時間你應該有參與吧你是國防會啊政委主持你們國防會一定要有參與啊我們是有國防會有沒有參與我們有設法處有參與在這裡有嘛那應該會知道啊什麼時候會提出呢\n475906\t479468\t114到117啊我有看到是因為他他給到各相關部會來做修正提案現在是114啊對 它是連續4年的政策對啊 那方案呢現在已經是114年的6月份了欸對那怎麼可能我們主持單位 政委主持你們都通通什麼時候抱歉 我可惡原來我們的計畫到114年結束它是115到118了\n503823\t523612\t115到118正確的時間是如此嗎?是嗎?因為這個我們一定要好好的協助年輕人請你盡速也給政委說這個議題對我們年輕人來講壓力非常的大一定要盡速提出來協助我們所有年輕人也救我們的少子化因為人口學政策等於是國安議題你認同嗎?\n525874\t538787\t認同所以一起加油接下來最後一個議題本期要請教也就是你為了落實賴清德總統的人工智慧島的國家願景那國防會你提出的AI新十大建設的這個藍圖你預計規劃要投入2000億到3000億元那這個預算要打造一個智慧應用\n547475\t568911\t以及關鍵技術以及數位基礎建設的長期國家戰略那預計在2040年的時候要創造15兆的一個產值提供50萬50萬高薪的就業機會那這個願景非常好所以本市要請教你這個計畫重點包括在扶植兆元平台軟體產業還要\n571333\t579838\t這個推動百萬家的企業AI轉型的一個升級那你結合了大南方桃竹苗中部地區台北等六大區域來推動均衡的發展所以本期要請教到目前為止國分會你的具體機制要怎麼樣確保AI十大建設在預算\n592105\t615366\t人才的培育以及區域的資源分配上的都能夠發揮最大的一個效能請做說明我們各項細節都對院長已經報告過了包括副院長秘書長我們都報告過了然後我們的計畫送院核定之後它就會變成各部會大家一致的執行方向\n616667\t628173\t你講的是流程沒有回答本席剛才的提問所以從各種預算包括年度計畫方案全部都會落實下來會落實下來面對跨部會的合作以及法規調整的需求國防會你採取怎麼樣的一個措施以避免政策的碎片化請做說明\n642369\t652494\t我們現在這個都是每一個方塊都有一個主政的部會跟協助的部會每一個方塊都有一個主政換句話說也就是有監督計劃進度跟成效的一個控管整個監督跟成效控管是由國安會的這個管考單位在負責\n663479\t673846\t好 你有管考單位在負責本席要告訴你台灣你們說的希望在2040年前達成全球AI前五強的目標 是不是\n674796\t697077\t對的 我們希望是變成我們是全球的AI核心好 這個非常的重要 我們要全力來推動但是本席要告訴你重點也就是你們到目前為止 計畫都已經給院報告你也有歸管單位 那請問你的算力能源 你的AI能源的最佳值\n697958\t705974\t到底是多少你的AI新創你的科技目標你的企業接軌你的目標跟你的路徑是如何呢請做說明\n707888\t729645\t這些都有規劃,國會也公告他在2028年要達到的算例值那加上我們把民間的加進來尤其是我們在NVIDIA在高雄的那個點甚至是比我們國家原來預估的會增加一倍所以台灣的順利將會很快的進到我們進到亞洲領先群\n731136\t748777\t對 所以這個也就是大家看我們要怎麼樣達到您所說的2040年我們是在全球這一個AI的前五強所以根據剛剛本席所提問的不管是算力能源\n749918\t771874\tAI能源的最優化AI的新創科技目標企業接軌你的目標以及你的路徑要怎麼做以及你的監管督管的方式究竟是如何請你也詳細的書面資料給本席那委員是不是行政院核定之後我就送過來好 我們一起加油謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 楊求榮發言 邀請主委好 請主委\n主委好我們今天針對於全球人才競爭的白樂化那麼國防會呢你們也提出了流財攬財的這個修法那希望透過放寬整個外國留學生畢業後的自由工作權利跟簡化高薪人才永居的門檻\n放寬外國專業人才配偶就業的限制以及怎麼樣延長數位遊牧民族停留的這個時間打造整個國際競爭力的一個人才體制但是我們看到當然我們全力支持這樣的一個方向但是我們看到目前國發會你所提出的這個措施呢似乎\n多偏重於放寬居留跟工作許可那麼恐怕會淪為空有其表的法規鬆綁所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教沒有看到明確如何能夠解決本地產業的結構問題跟人才\n留下來之後呢 你的培訓還有你的這個職場整合那在這樣的情況之下 本席要請教你要如何的去整合整個產業的結構跟人才留下來之後的這個培訓請做說明\n謝謝委員委員的考慮是很周延的那我們從兩個部分第一個在我們國家人才競爭力方案裡面我們除了引進吸引外國人進來之外我們也有一個計畫是要降低對人力的需求那我們是希望透過AI所以我們這次在AI十大建設裡面我們也希望產業能夠推動產業大幅度的AI也就是你針對於你攬財留財的時候那你要怎麼樣\n他留下來你怎麼做培訓以及我們國內產業的結構你怎麼樣去整合這非常重要這個人才的部分也在我們新十大建設裡面我們也有包括經濟部然後速發部我們都會對於這些人才予以協助跟幫助另外我們也培育自己的人才\n你的重點方案是什麼呢因為你既然提出這個修法那所以本席要提問也就是留下來可以為台灣我們的產業可以創造什麼樣的\n目標出來這第一個第二個我們也要將所有的這些細項你能夠好好的提出方案才不會淪為稅基流失以及跟我們本地勞工的一個衝突隱憂\n請做說明這個部分我很快跟委員報告我們這個稅基它基本上它比較難如果人不進來才會流失那現在進來的人一定會繳稅那它會增加的那跟本國之間的衝突是很低的我們現在失業率是3.3%那是達到幾乎是摩擦性失業就幾乎是零失業\n那第二個狀況是我們的人才缺口很大我們到2030年白領缺12萬就是把本國勞工本國畢業生只有18萬那我們總共需求是48萬那白領是缺12萬藍領跟灰領缺18萬\n所以剛剛本席也特別跟你提出也就是攬財跟流財這個方向我們是全力支持但是在細目方面我們看不到你的政策實際的一個路徑到底是怎麼樣這第一個\n第二個我們說怕會成為稅基的流失您的回答是進來就會繳稅但是我們要看的是更深一層的也就是要怎麼樣將台灣經濟帶來注意這個才是最重要的一個點所以我也希望將你們預計要怎麼做的方向然後書面資料給本席\n因為我們也不希望它淪為是一個空談更不希望會衝擊到本國的勞工的一個權益應該要承諾你所說的它是一個互補的一個作用請將你們的入境目標方向方法\n詳細資料給本席接下來本席要跟你討論的是內政部有一個顯示本席上一次也跟你討論過2024年我們的新生兒人口是13.4萬人退縮到1920年的一個水準2025年我們預估可能會跌破到12萬人在創下了新低的時候呢政府你為了要改善少子化所以推動了婚姻宅那透過了租屋的補助希望能夠提升結婚\n的意願希望挽救少子化的生育率但是年輕人的不婚跟不育他不是只有一個我住得起這麼簡單的一個問題因為我們真正的問題看到了結構性的壓力低薪高房價月額\n教育的成本脫裕以及職場缺乏彈性還有他對未來的一個失望跟無力感這些是年輕人非常大的一個衝擊那我也拿到參考了這個韓國他們在20年來耗盡了將近10兆元的台幣他為了要改善少子化\n但是他的答案告訴我們他的生育率卻是一路下滑也就證明了你只單靠補貼是沒有辦法去解決根本的問題所以本席要請教這個議題本席跟你討論過了幾次但是看到的數字我們還是憂心忡忡也是年輕人非常大的壓力所以本席要請教國發會你認知到現行會議政策如果只聚焦在補助\n跟這個居住它是不夠的是不是啊單純這個部分是有有幫助但是的確它還有再加強的空間有加強的空間所以面對少子化的情況越來越惡劣那你們有沒有去整合跨部會的一個整合計畫從薪資托育工時以及教育方面整體性的一個著手啊\n跟委員報告是有的齁那個陳時中委員最近進行了一個跨部會的一個四年計畫就114年到117年的少子化的政策114到117年對那他整合了各部會來做這件事情因為是他主政嘛那這個資料應該很快就會抱怨核定請問你們預計什麼時候方案會出來\n因為這個壓力對我們年輕人來講是壓力非常的大我們要全力來支持而且從根源來解決之那委員是不是我去請問他之後跟您報告這個時間你應該有參與吧你是國防會啊政委主持你們國防會一定要有參與啊我們是有國防會有沒有參與我們有設法處有參與在這裡有嘛那應該會知道啊什麼時候會提出呢\n114到117啊我有看到是因為他他給到各相關部會來做修正提案現在是114啊對 它是連續4年的政策對啊 那方案呢現在已經是114年的6月份了欸對那怎麼可能我們主持單位 政委主持你們都通通什麼時候抱歉 我可惡原來我們的計畫到114年結束它是115到118了\n115到118正確的時間是如此嗎?是嗎?因為這個我們一定要好好的協助年輕人請你盡速也給政委說這個議題對我們年輕人來講壓力非常的大一定要盡速提出來協助我們所有年輕人也救我們的少子化因為人口學政策等於是國安議題你認同嗎?\n認同所以一起加油接下來最後一個議題本期要請教也就是你為了落實賴清德總統的人工智慧島的國家願景那國防會你提出的AI新十大建設的這個藍圖你預計規劃要投入2000億到3000億元那這個預算要打造一個智慧應用\n以及關鍵技術以及數位基礎建設的長期國家戰略那預計在2040年的時候要創造15兆的一個產值提供50萬50萬高薪的就業機會那這個願景非常好所以本市要請教你這個計畫重點包括在扶植兆元平台軟體產業還要\n這個推動百萬家的企業AI轉型的一個升級那你結合了大南方桃竹苗中部地區台北等六大區域來推動均衡的發展所以本期要請教到目前為止國分會你的具體機制要怎麼樣確保AI十大建設在預算\n人才的培育以及區域的資源分配上的都能夠發揮最大的一個效能請做說明我們各項細節都對院長已經報告過了包括副院長秘書長我們都報告過了然後我們的計畫送院核定之後它就會變成各部會大家一致的執行方向\n你講的是流程沒有回答本席剛才的提問所以從各種預算包括年度計畫方案全部都會落實下來會落實下來面對跨部會的合作以及法規調整的需求國防會你採取怎麼樣的一個措施以避免政策的碎片化請做說明\n我們現在這個都是每一個方塊都有一個主政的部會跟協助的部會每一個方塊都有一個主政換句話說也就是有監督計劃進度跟成效的一個控管整個監督跟成效控管是由國安會的這個管考單位在負責\n好 你有管考單位在負責本席要告訴你台灣你們說的希望在2040年前達成全球AI前五強的目標 是不是\n對的 我們希望是變成我們是全球的AI核心好 這個非常的重要 我們要全力來推動但是本席要告訴你重點也就是你們到目前為止 計畫都已經給院報告你也有歸管單位 那請問你的算力能源 你的AI能源的最佳值\n到底是多少你的AI新創你的科技目標你的企業接軌你的目標跟你的路徑是如何呢請做說明\n這些都有規劃,國會也公告他在2028年要達到的算例值那加上我們把民間的加進來尤其是我們在NVIDIA在高雄的那個點甚至是比我們國家原來預估的會增加一倍所以台灣的順利將會很快的進到我們進到亞洲領先群\n對 所以這個也就是大家看我們要怎麼樣達到您所說的2040年我們是在全球這一個AI的前五強所以根據剛剛本席所提問的不管是算力能源\nAI能源的最優化AI的新創科技目標企業接軌你的目標以及你的路徑要怎麼做以及你的監管督管的方式究竟是如何請你也詳細的書面資料給本席那委員是不是行政院核定之後我就送過來好 我們一起加油謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.749 --> 00:07.026\n謝謝主席楊求榮發言邀請主委好請主委\n\n00:15.289 --> 00:34.569\n主委好我們今天針對於全球人才競爭的白樂化那麼國防會呢你們也提出了流財攬財的這個修法那希望透過放寬整個外國留學生畢業後的自由工作權利跟簡化高薪人才永居的門檻\n\n00:35.390 --> 01:00.123\n放寬外國專業人才配偶就業的限制以及怎麼樣延長數位遊牧民族停留的這個時間打造整個國際競爭力的一個人才體制但是我們看到當然我們全力支持這樣的一個方向但是我們看到目前國發會你所提出的這個措施呢似乎\n\n01:00.743 --> 01:17.708\n多偏重於放寬居留跟工作許可那麼恐怕會淪為空有其表的法規鬆綁所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教沒有看到明確如何能夠解決本地產業的結構問題跟人才\n\n01:23.689 --> 01:34.538\n留下來之後呢你的培訓還有你的這個職場整合那在這樣的情況之下本席要請教你要如何的去整合整個產業的結構跟人才留下來之後的這個培訓請做說明\n\n01:40.042 --> 02:03.776\n謝謝委員委員的考慮是很周延的那我們從兩個部分第一個在我們國家人才競爭力方案裡面我們除了引進吸引外國人進來之外我們也有一個計畫是要降低對人力的需求那我們是希望透過AI所以我們這次在AI十大建設裡面我們也希望產業能夠推動產業大幅度的AI也就是你針對於你攬財留財的時候那你要怎麼樣\n\n02:07.998 --> 02:30.396\n他留下來你怎麼做培訓以及我們國內產業的結構你怎麼樣去整合這非常重要這個人才的部分也在我們新十大建設裡面我們也有包括經濟部然後速發部我們都會對於這些人才予以協助跟幫助另外我們也培育自己的人才\n\n02:30.856 --> 02:40.108\n你的重點方案是什麼呢因為你既然提出這個修法那所以本席要提問也就是留下來可以為台灣我們的產業可以創造什麼樣的\n\n02:45.612 --> 03:02.103\n目標出來這第一個第二個我們也要將所有的這些細項你能夠好好的提出方案才不會淪為稅基流失以及跟我們本地勞工的一個衝突隱憂\n\n03:03.784 --> 03:26.993\n請做說明這個部分我很快跟委員報告我們這個稅基它基本上它比較難如果人不進來才會流失那現在進來的人一定會繳稅那它會增加的那跟本國之間的衝突是很低的我們現在失業率是3.3%那是達到幾乎是摩擦性失業就幾乎是零失業\n\n03:27.913 --> 03:39.059\n那第二個狀況是我們的人才缺口很大我們到2030年白領缺12萬就是把本國勞工本國畢業生只有18萬那我們總共需求是48萬那白領是缺12萬藍領跟灰領缺18萬\n\n03:45.874 --> 04:05.208\n所以剛剛本席也特別跟你提出也就是攬財跟流財這個方向我們是全力支持但是在細目方面我們看不到你的政策實際的一個路徑到底是怎麼樣這第一個\n\n04:05.948 --> 04:10.030\n第二個我們說怕會成為稅基的流失您的回答是進來就會繳稅但是我們要看的是更深一層的也就是要怎麼樣將台灣經濟帶來注意這個才是最重要的一個點所以我也希望將你們預計要怎麼做的方向然後書面資料給本席\n\n04:31.781 --> 04:34.745\n因為我們也不希望它淪為是一個空談更不希望會衝擊到本國的勞工的一個權益應該要承諾你所說的它是一個互補的一個作用請將你們的入境目標方向方法\n\n04:47.981 --> 05:16.676\n詳細資料給本席接下來本席要跟你討論的是內政部有一個顯示本席上一次也跟你討論過2024年我們的新生兒人口是13.4萬人退縮到1920年的一個水準2025年我們預估可能會跌破到12萬人在創下了新低的時候呢政府你為了要改善少子化所以推動了婚姻宅那透過了租屋的補助希望能夠提升結婚\n\n05:17.116 --> 05:35.833\n的意願希望挽救少子化的生育率但是年輕人的不婚跟不育他不是只有一個我住得起這麼簡單的一個問題因為我們真正的問題看到了結構性的壓力低薪高房價月額\n\n05:37.654 --> 05:49.204\n教育的成本脫裕以及職場缺乏彈性還有他對未來的一個失望跟無力感這些是年輕人非常大的一個衝擊那我也拿到參考了這個韓國他們在20年來耗盡了將近10兆元的台幣他為了要改善少子化\n\n05:59.053 --> 06:27.920\n但是他的答案告訴我們他的生育率卻是一路下滑也就證明了你只單靠補貼是沒有辦法去解決根本的問題所以本席要請教這個議題本席跟你討論過了幾次但是看到的數字我們還是憂心忡忡也是年輕人非常大的壓力所以本席要請教國發會你認知到現行會議政策如果只聚焦在補助\n\n06:28.720 --> 06:56.852\n跟這個居住它是不夠的是不是啊單純這個部分是有有幫助但是的確它還有再加強的空間有加強的空間所以面對少子化的情況越來越惡劣那你們有沒有去整合跨部會的一個整合計畫從薪資托育工時以及教育方面整體性的一個著手啊\n\n06:58.291 --> 07:23.427\n跟委員報告是有的齁那個陳時中委員最近進行了一個跨部會的一個四年計畫就114年到117年的少子化的政策114到117年對那他整合了各部會來做這件事情因為是他主政嘛那這個資料應該很快就會抱怨核定請問你們預計什麼時候方案會出來\n\n07:28.766 --> 07:46.159\n因為這個壓力對我們年輕人來講是壓力非常的大我們要全力來支持而且從根源來解決之那委員是不是我去請問他之後跟您報告這個時間你應該有參與吧你是國防會啊政委主持你們國防會一定要有參與啊我們是有國防會有沒有參與我們有設法處有參與在這裡有嘛那應該會知道啊什麼時候會提出呢\n\n07:55.906 --> 07:59.468\n114到117啊我有看到是因為他他給到各相關部會來做修正提案現在是114啊對它是連續4年的政策對啊那方案呢現在已經是114年的6月份了欸對那怎麼可能我們主持單位政委主持你們都通通什麼時候抱歉我可惡原來我們的計畫到114年結束它是115到118了\n\n08:23.823 --> 08:43.612\n115到118正確的時間是如此嗎?是嗎?因為這個我們一定要好好的協助年輕人請你盡速也給政委說這個議題對我們年輕人來講壓力非常的大一定要盡速提出來協助我們所有年輕人也救我們的少子化因為人口學政策等於是國安議題你認同嗎?\n\n08:45.874 --> 08:58.787\n認同所以一起加油接下來最後一個議題本期要請教也就是你為了落實賴清德總統的人工智慧島的國家願景那國防會你提出的AI新十大建設的這個藍圖你預計規劃要投入2000億到3000億元那這個預算要打造一個智慧應用\n\n09:07.475 --> 09:28.911\n以及關鍵技術以及數位基礎建設的長期國家戰略那預計在2040年的時候要創造15兆的一個產值提供50萬50萬高薪的就業機會那這個願景非常好所以本市要請教你這個計畫重點包括在扶植兆元平台軟體產業還要\n\n09:31.333 --> 09:39.838\n這個推動百萬家的企業AI轉型的一個升級那你結合了大南方桃竹苗中部地區台北等六大區域來推動均衡的發展所以本期要請教到目前為止國分會你的具體機制要怎麼樣確保AI十大建設在預算\n\n09:52.105 --> 10:15.366\n人才的培育以及區域的資源分配上的都能夠發揮最大的一個效能請做說明我們各項細節都對院長已經報告過了包括副院長秘書長我們都報告過了然後我們的計畫送院核定之後它就會變成各部會大家一致的執行方向\n\n10:16.667 --> 10:28.173\n你講的是流程沒有回答本席剛才的提問所以從各種預算包括年度計畫方案全部都會落實下來會落實下來面對跨部會的合作以及法規調整的需求國防會你採取怎麼樣的一個措施以避免政策的碎片化請做說明\n\n10:42.369 --> 10:52.494\n我們現在這個都是每一個方塊都有一個主政的部會跟協助的部會每一個方塊都有一個主政換句話說也就是有監督計劃進度跟成效的一個控管整個監督跟成效控管是由國安會的這個管考單位在負責\n\n11:03.479 --> 11:13.846\n好你有管考單位在負責本席要告訴你台灣你們說的希望在2040年前達成全球AI前五強的目標是不是\n\n11:14.796 --> 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