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00:01:48,825\n目前的規劃會把這個科博館跟這個人才培育的這些博物館等等的放在這個東部那未來如果推動的成效很好我們可以去規劃看看看在其他的台灣其他地方是不是也有機會能夠蓋新的館或者是把這些展覽的內容做巡迴的展覽好我為什麼會這樣講因為我們從這一次的國會會的報告中指出\n\n6\n00:01:53,672 --> 00:02:15,886\n我們的太空政策已經從早期的科研導向那已經轉向任務導向那我就會對這樣的一個報告我們表示肯定但是從實際的規劃內容來看許多計畫仍在技術驗證跟平台建置為主那並會真正從任務需求的一個出發反推技術的一個發展整合應用場景例如我們現在稱之為B5G\n\n7\n00:02:17,347 --> 00:02:45,461\n那現階段低軌通訊的衛星計畫主軸人集中在通訊的一個籌載採購地面的測試平台整合還沒有清楚定義應用在目標服務對象更無從談起國防資通訊災防海洋等領域的深度鏈接這樣的做法與所謂的任務導向政策顯示我覺得還有一段距離那您覺得呢\n\n8\n00:02:46,885 --> 00:03:13,482\n那個公委員報告那基本上來講因為我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星的起步比較慢可是另一方面呢我們在遙測不管是光學啦或者是紅外線方面我們其實是已經有比較好的這個基礎那所以未來我們真的是就如同委員講的我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星不管是技術的研發或者是帶動產業的發展甚至應用這個是我們未來要努力積極的地方\n\n9\n00:03:14,471 --> 00:03:23,216\n所以我覺得任務導向應該明確的需求用驅動的技術設計例如針對災害預警偏鄉通訊漁業的監測還有離岸風電等具體場景研發對應的衛星載具以及通訊服務我覺得想要問一下國科會目前B5G1A跟1B的通訊任務實際上\n\n10\n00:03:37,545 --> 00:04:05,046\n預計服務的哪些族群應用於哪些領域是否由太空中心內部自行設定的一個技術指標在無明確的牽引情況之下是否會導致衛星設計與產業發展的方向有點錯置國會應該清楚明確的去做相關的計畫來跟我們說明如何對接我國的戰略任務您覺得呢是我請吳主任說明好請說\n\n11\n00:04:06,327 --> 00:04:34,703\n其實EAEB這兩顆主要是實驗型的低軌道通訊為主實驗型也都是通訊為主對對它主要是因為要執行因為我們國內業界產業你地面的設備要跟上面要整個連起來就端對端的整個的聯合測試這個技術是沒有那麼簡單所以剛剛我們的副主委特別講說我們起步稍微慢所以因為這樣說我們要建置所有的驗測的包括地上天上的平台\n\n12\n00:04:35,483 --> 00:04:54,322\n讓業者可以執行端對端的測試當然這很重要沒有錯啦只是因為我們的國科會報告就寫得很清楚是任務性導向啦所以當然我們給予的一些寄予眾望我想洛克科會將這個低軌衛星定位為我國未來數位基礎的一個設施的一環\n\n13\n00:04:55,323 --> 00:05:22,314\n將跟應用在納入各部會共同設計的一個任務需求以及服務目標避免出現技術研發與實際的實務上的應用會有脫節的一個情況所以目前是否已經有跟速發部交通部內政部以及實務應用的單位參與這一次B5G1A跟1B的任務設計技術規格討論還有服務整合那有沒有整合這樣子的相關計畫\n\n14\n00:05:23,695 --> 00:05:52,349\n然後甚至有跨部會的任務協調,避免整個任務跟實務脫節,有嗎?我跟委員補充一下,就是第一個這個是一個跨部會,尤其是跟經濟部會跟其他部會,我舉其中一個要做實驗就是寬頻的視訊,這些我想是就是在模擬未來的實際的應用,這個其實有很多項的實驗,實驗不是只有連接,還有很多未來實際包括AIOT,包括剛剛講的寬頻視訊,所以這個是符合未來任務的需求,\n\n15\n00:05:52,549 --> 00:06:09,779\n當然這是一個重要基礎我們沒有說不重要啦只是說它是一開始實驗性的最重要的一個基礎我們用未來的應用端做延伸對我知道我能夠體諒但是我還是要說就是說我們會擔心嘛在這樣子的一個基礎上也就是扎馬步\n\n16\n00:06:10,939 --> 00:06:33,013\n馬步扎得穩當然很棒未來就有很大的無限可能但是不要忘記跟實務上不要有脫節這是我們所擔切的擔心所以我也希望說從今天的計畫我們看到有科研有任務甚至有相關的計畫2027相關的未來的部署我們都希望說有些可以再做更新未來是不是能夠在我們的科博館\n\n17\n00:06:34,014 --> 00:06:54,648\n有一些相關的計畫或者是未來展望不知道我們的副主委你有看過台中市政府有所謂的城市未來的一個展區在台中市政府一樓嗎沒有有機會可以去看一下他在規劃整個城市的過往經來那也希望說跟大家講願景館\n\n18\n00:06:56,269 --> 00:07:16,625\n那未來有沒有這個機會有關於所謂的太空科技的發展有這個願景甚至未來的部署然後有一些先行的計畫能夠呈現出一些故事來更新在科博館讓這些孩子能夠有太空夢能夠再看到我們台灣所屬的太空計畫這部分我也希望你能夠評估一下\n\n19\n00:07:17,085 --> 00:07:43,311\n好謝謝委員我想做一個展區不是說一定要把這個東西拿過來放在這邊因為畢竟你們還在使用甚至有些東西不一定能夠曝光但是是不是有一種太空的願景館能夠再更新在科博館我知道本身科博館就有這一類的一些相關展區但是我希望說有更進一步的更新讓孩子能夠看到因為科博館其實很多的一些一理設施您在台中你也知道它是我們曾經北區\n\n20\n00:07:44,591 --> 00:08:11,608\n還有西區的驕傲但有一些硬體設施我曾經去看過裡面還在用滑鼠點東西我們都在用觸控裡面還有用滑鼠所以我也希望說當然這個科博館不是你們的一個要照顧的一個機關但是未來它裡面的一些展區有你們的東西這是我們希望說這次國科會能夠有來幫忙的地方這個您覺得呢\n\n21\n00:08:12,068 --> 00:08:27,578\n好謝謝委員的建議科博館裡面的一些展覽尤其是太空方面的它都要適時的更新所以下一次更新的時候我會請太空中心把委員所指教的這些太空的願景要有故事化把它納入裡面\n\n22\n00:08:28,038 --> 00:08:54,348\n好那是不是可以一兩個月內有沒有這樣的計畫先行給我們好我們把那個規劃先期的規劃計畫我們再送到委員的辦公室不要強人所難但是說有沒有這個機會能夠更新一些東西那你們內部去看科博館的一些太空展覽是不是有一些過於老舊的幫我們關心一下給予指證也好給予科博館一些指導這個我們都希望今天副主委可以幫我們這個忙好我會請太空中心積極的去辦理好謝謝委員\n\n23\n00:08:58,263 --> 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我為什麼會這樣講因為我們從這一次的國會會的報告中指出\n113672\t135886\t我們的太空政策已經從早期的科研導向那已經轉向任務導向那我就會對這樣的一個報告我們表示肯定但是從實際的規劃內容來看許多計畫仍在技術驗證跟平台建置為主那並會真正從任務需求的一個出發反推技術的一個發展整合應用場景例如我們現在稱之為B5G\n137347\t165461\t那現階段低軌通訊的衛星計畫主軸人集中在通訊的一個籌載採購地面的測試平台整合還沒有清楚定義應用在目標服務對象更無從談起國防資通訊災防海洋等領域的深度鏈接這樣的做法與所謂的任務導向政策顯示我覺得還有一段距離那您覺得呢\n166885\t193482\t那個公委員報告那基本上來講因為我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星的起步比較慢可是另一方面呢我們在遙測不管是光學啦或者是紅外線方面我們其實是已經有比較好的這個基礎那所以未來我們真的是就如同委員講的我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星不管是技術的研發或者是帶動產業的發展甚至應用這個是我們未來要努力積極的地方\n194471\t203216\t所以我覺得任務導向應該明確的需求用驅動的技術設計例如針對災害預警偏鄉通訊漁業的監測還有離岸風電等具體場景研發對應的衛星載具以及通訊服務我覺得想要問一下國科會目前B5G1A跟1B的通訊任務實際上\n217545\t245046\t預計服務的哪些族群應用於哪些領域是否由太空中心內部自行設定的一個技術指標在無明確的牽引情況之下是否會導致衛星設計與產業發展的方向有點錯置國會應該清楚明確的去做相關的計畫來跟我們說明如何對接我國的戰略任務您覺得呢是 我請吳主任說明好 請說\n246327\t274703\t其實EAEB這兩顆主要是實驗型的 低軌道通訊為主實驗型 也都是通訊為主對對 它主要是因為要執行因為我們國內業界產業你地面的設備要跟上面要整個連起來就端對端的整個的聯合測試這個技術是沒有那麼簡單所以剛剛我們的副主委特別講說我們起步稍微慢所以因為這樣說我們要建置所有的驗測的包括地上天上的平台\n275483\t294322\t讓業者可以執行端對端的測試當然這很重要沒有錯啦只是因為我們的國科會報告就寫得很清楚是任務性導向啦所以當然我們給予的一些寄予眾望我想洛克科會將這個低軌衛星定位為我國未來數位基礎的一個設施的一環\n295323\t322314\t將跟應用在納入各部會共同設計的一個任務需求以及服務目標避免出現技術研發與實際的實務上的應用會有脫節的一個情況所以目前是否已經有跟速發部交通部內政部以及實務應用的單位參與這一次B5G 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謝謝委員我想做一個展區不是說一定要把這個東西拿過來放在這邊因為畢竟你們還在使用甚至有些東西不一定能夠曝光但是是不是有一種太空的願景館能夠再更新在科博館我知道本身科博館就有這一類的一些相關展區但是我希望說有更進一步的更新讓孩子能夠看到因為科博館其實很多的一些一理設施您在台中你也知道它是我們曾經北區\n464591\t491608\t還有西區的驕傲但有一些硬體設施我曾經去看過裡面還在用滑鼠點東西我們都在用觸控裡面還有用滑鼠所以我也希望說當然這個科博館不是你們的一個要照顧的一個機關但是未來它裡面的一些展區有你們的東西這是我們希望說這次國科會能夠有來幫忙的地方這個您覺得呢\n492068\t507578\t好 謝謝委員的建議科博館裡面的一些展覽尤其是太空方面的它都要適時的更新所以下一次更新的時候我會請太空中心把委員所指教的這些太空的願景要有故事化把它納入裡面\n508038\t534348\t好那是不是可以一兩個月內有沒有這樣的計畫先行給我們好我們把那個規劃先期的規劃計畫我們再送到委員的辦公室不要強人所難但是說有沒有這個機會能夠更新一些東西那你們內部去看科博館的一些太空展覽是不是有一些過於老舊的幫我們關心一下給予指證也好給予科博館一些指導這個我們都希望今天副主委可以幫我們這個忙好我會請太空中心積極的去辦理好謝謝委員\n538263\t541219\t谢谢罗定位委员负责请回座\n","txt":"請林副主委請林副主委\n羅委員長好 副主委好副主委今天我們在討論競逐太空國科會的太空發展科技的這些佈局跟未來藍圖那剛剛也有其他的委員對於這一個我們太空相關的計畫不管是我們過往一些相關的一些任務性的導向或者是科研的一個導向那我們都有一些過往的計畫甚至實體故事\n那剛剛也有提到你有說要作為一些不管是太空博物館或者是科學館有沒有一種想法你是台中人那台中科博館有沒有機會在就在這個科博館能夠把這些太空計畫的故事能夠再更新也好能夠再讓這些計畫能夠在國人更多的一個機會在台中來做一個曝光這部分您覺得呢\n好 跟那個委員報告其實科博館裡面本來就有太空相關的展覽我知道然後那個是有我是說更新對對對然後那個是由國研院還有跟太空中心一起連展的那未來呢我們現在想法就是說就是我們配合我們的發射產育還有國發會的這個東部城鄉漫活的計畫我們會把\n目前的規劃會把這個科博館跟這個人才培育的這些博物館等等的放在這個東部那未來如果推動的成效很好我們可以去規劃看看看在其他的台灣其他地方是不是也有機會能夠蓋新的館或者是把這些展覽的內容做巡迴的展覽好 我為什麼會這樣講因為我們從這一次的國會會的報告中指出\n我們的太空政策已經從早期的科研導向那已經轉向任務導向那我就會對這樣的一個報告我們表示肯定但是從實際的規劃內容來看許多計畫仍在技術驗證跟平台建置為主那並會真正從任務需求的一個出發反推技術的一個發展整合應用場景例如我們現在稱之為B5G\n那現階段低軌通訊的衛星計畫主軸人集中在通訊的一個籌載採購地面的測試平台整合還沒有清楚定義應用在目標服務對象更無從談起國防資通訊災防海洋等領域的深度鏈接這樣的做法與所謂的任務導向政策顯示我覺得還有一段距離那您覺得呢\n那個公委員報告那基本上來講因為我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星的起步比較慢可是另一方面呢我們在遙測不管是光學啦或者是紅外線方面我們其實是已經有比較好的這個基礎那所以未來我們真的是就如同委員講的我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星不管是技術的研發或者是帶動產業的發展甚至應用這個是我們未來要努力積極的地方\n所以我覺得任務導向應該明確的需求用驅動的技術設計例如針對災害預警偏鄉通訊漁業的監測還有離岸風電等具體場景研發對應的衛星載具以及通訊服務我覺得想要問一下國科會目前B5G1A跟1B的通訊任務實際上\n預計服務的哪些族群應用於哪些領域是否由太空中心內部自行設定的一個技術指標在無明確的牽引情況之下是否會導致衛星設計與產業發展的方向有點錯置國會應該清楚明確的去做相關的計畫來跟我們說明如何對接我國的戰略任務您覺得呢是 我請吳主任說明好 請說\n其實EAEB這兩顆主要是實驗型的 低軌道通訊為主實驗型 也都是通訊為主對對 它主要是因為要執行因為我們國內業界產業你地面的設備要跟上面要整個連起來就端對端的整個的聯合測試這個技術是沒有那麼簡單所以剛剛我們的副主委特別講說我們起步稍微慢所以因為這樣說我們要建置所有的驗測的包括地上天上的平台\n讓業者可以執行端對端的測試當然這很重要沒有錯啦只是因為我們的國科會報告就寫得很清楚是任務性導向啦所以當然我們給予的一些寄予眾望我想洛克科會將這個低軌衛星定位為我國未來數位基礎的一個設施的一環\n將跟應用在納入各部會共同設計的一個任務需求以及服務目標避免出現技術研發與實際的實務上的應用會有脫節的一個情況所以目前是否已經有跟速發部交通部內政部以及實務應用的單位參與這一次B5G 1A跟1B的任務設計技術規格討論還有服務整合那有沒有整合這樣子的相關計畫\n然後甚至有跨部會的任務協調,避免整個任務跟實務脫節,有嗎?我跟委員補充一下,就是第一個這個是一個跨部會,尤其是跟經濟部會跟其他部會,我舉其中一個要做實驗就是寬頻的視訊,這些我想是就是在模擬未來的實際的應用,這個其實有很多項的實驗,實驗不是只有連接,還有很多未來實際包括AIOT,包括剛剛講的寬頻視訊,所以這個是符合未來任務的需求,\n當然這是一個重要基礎我們沒有說不重要啦只是說它是一開始實驗性的最重要的一個基礎我們用未來的應用端做延伸對我知道我能夠體諒但是我還是要說就是說我們會擔心嘛在這樣子的一個基礎上也就是扎馬步\n馬步扎得穩當然很棒未來就有很大的無限可能但是不要忘記跟實務上不要有脫節這是我們所擔切的擔心所以我也希望說從今天的計畫我們看到有科研有任務甚至有相關的計畫2027相關的未來的部署我們都希望說有些可以再做更新未來是不是能夠在我們的科博館\n有一些相關的計畫或者是未來展望不知道我們的副主委你有看過台中市政府有所謂的城市未來的一個展區在台中市政府一樓嗎沒有有機會可以去看一下他在規劃整個城市的過往經來那也希望說跟大家講願景館\n那未來有沒有這個機會有關於所謂的太空科技的發展有這個願景甚至未來的部署然後有一些先行的計畫能夠呈現出一些故事來更新在科博館讓這些孩子能夠有太空夢能夠再看到我們台灣所屬的太空計畫這部分我也希望你能夠評估一下\n好 謝謝委員我想做一個展區不是說一定要把這個東西拿過來放在這邊因為畢竟你們還在使用甚至有些東西不一定能夠曝光但是是不是有一種太空的願景館能夠再更新在科博館我知道本身科博館就有這一類的一些相關展區但是我希望說有更進一步的更新讓孩子能夠看到因為科博館其實很多的一些一理設施您在台中你也知道它是我們曾經北區\n還有西區的驕傲但有一些硬體設施我曾經去看過裡面還在用滑鼠點東西我們都在用觸控裡面還有用滑鼠所以我也希望說當然這個科博館不是你們的一個要照顧的一個機關但是未來它裡面的一些展區有你們的東西這是我們希望說這次國科會能夠有來幫忙的地方這個您覺得呢\n好 謝謝委員的建議科博館裡面的一些展覽尤其是太空方面的它都要適時的更新所以下一次更新的時候我會請太空中心把委員所指教的這些太空的願景要有故事化把它納入裡面\n好那是不是可以一兩個月內有沒有這樣的計畫先行給我們好我們把那個規劃先期的規劃計畫我們再送到委員的辦公室不要強人所難但是說有沒有這個機會能夠更新一些東西那你們內部去看科博館的一些太空展覽是不是有一些過於老舊的幫我們關心一下給予指證也好給予科博館一些指導這個我們都希望今天副主委可以幫我們這個忙好我會請太空中心積極的去辦理好謝謝委員\n谢谢罗定位委员负责请回座\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.033 --> 00:02.841\n請林副主委請林副主委\n\n00:07.682 --> 00:32.944\n羅委員長好副主委好副主委今天我們在討論競逐太空國科會的太空發展科技的這些佈局跟未來藍圖那剛剛也有其他的委員對於這一個我們太空相關的計畫不管是我們過往一些相關的一些任務性的導向或者是科研的一個導向那我們都有一些過往的計畫甚至實體故事\n\n00:33.684 --> 01:00.829\n那剛剛也有提到你有說要作為一些不管是太空博物館或者是科學館有沒有一種想法你是台中人那台中科博館有沒有機會在就在這個科博館能夠把這些太空計畫的故事能夠再更新也好能夠再讓這些計畫能夠在國人更多的一個機會在台中來做一個曝光這部分您覺得呢\n\n01:02.261 --> 01:24.299\n好跟那個委員報告其實科博館裡面本來就有太空相關的展覽我知道然後那個是有我是說更新對對對然後那個是由國研院還有跟太空中心一起連展的那未來呢我們現在想法就是說就是我們配合我們的發射產育還有國發會的這個東部城鄉漫活的計畫我們會把\n\n01:25.720 --> 01:48.825\n目前的規劃會把這個科博館跟這個人才培育的這些博物館等等的放在這個東部那未來如果推動的成效很好我們可以去規劃看看看在其他的台灣其他地方是不是也有機會能夠蓋新的館或者是把這些展覽的內容做巡迴的展覽好我為什麼會這樣講因為我們從這一次的國會會的報告中指出\n\n01:53.672 --> 02:15.886\n我們的太空政策已經從早期的科研導向那已經轉向任務導向那我就會對這樣的一個報告我們表示肯定但是從實際的規劃內容來看許多計畫仍在技術驗證跟平台建置為主那並會真正從任務需求的一個出發反推技術的一個發展整合應用場景例如我們現在稱之為B5G\n\n02:17.347 --> 02:45.461\n那現階段低軌通訊的衛星計畫主軸人集中在通訊的一個籌載採購地面的測試平台整合還沒有清楚定義應用在目標服務對象更無從談起國防資通訊災防海洋等領域的深度鏈接這樣的做法與所謂的任務導向政策顯示我覺得還有一段距離那您覺得呢\n\n02:46.885 --> 03:13.482\n那個公委員報告那基本上來講因為我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星的起步比較慢可是另一方面呢我們在遙測不管是光學啦或者是紅外線方面我們其實是已經有比較好的這個基礎那所以未來我們真的是就如同委員講的我們在這個低軌道通訊衛星不管是技術的研發或者是帶動產業的發展甚至應用這個是我們未來要努力積極的地方\n\n03:14.471 --> 03:23.216\n所以我覺得任務導向應該明確的需求用驅動的技術設計例如針對災害預警偏鄉通訊漁業的監測還有離岸風電等具體場景研發對應的衛星載具以及通訊服務我覺得想要問一下國科會目前B5G1A跟1B的通訊任務實際上\n\n03:37.545 --> 04:05.046\n預計服務的哪些族群應用於哪些領域是否由太空中心內部自行設定的一個技術指標在無明確的牽引情況之下是否會導致衛星設計與產業發展的方向有點錯置國會應該清楚明確的去做相關的計畫來跟我們說明如何對接我國的戰略任務您覺得呢是我請吳主任說明好請說\n\n04:06.327 --> 04:34.703\n其實EAEB這兩顆主要是實驗型的低軌道通訊為主實驗型也都是通訊為主對對它主要是因為要執行因為我們國內業界產業你地面的設備要跟上面要整個連起來就端對端的整個的聯合測試這個技術是沒有那麼簡單所以剛剛我們的副主委特別講說我們起步稍微慢所以因為這樣說我們要建置所有的驗測的包括地上天上的平台\n\n04:35.483 --> 04:54.322\n讓業者可以執行端對端的測試當然這很重要沒有錯啦只是因為我們的國科會報告就寫得很清楚是任務性導向啦所以當然我們給予的一些寄予眾望我想洛克科會將這個低軌衛星定位為我國未來數位基礎的一個設施的一環\n\n04:55.323 --> 05:22.314\n將跟應用在納入各部會共同設計的一個任務需求以及服務目標避免出現技術研發與實際的實務上的應用會有脫節的一個情況所以目前是否已經有跟速發部交通部內政部以及實務應用的單位參與這一次B5G1A跟1B的任務設計技術規格討論還有服務整合那有沒有整合這樣子的相關計畫\n\n05:23.695 --> 05:52.349\n然後甚至有跨部會的任務協調,避免整個任務跟實務脫節,有嗎?我跟委員補充一下,就是第一個這個是一個跨部會,尤其是跟經濟部會跟其他部會,我舉其中一個要做實驗就是寬頻的視訊,這些我想是就是在模擬未來的實際的應用,這個其實有很多項的實驗,實驗不是只有連接,還有很多未來實際包括AIOT,包括剛剛講的寬頻視訊,所以這個是符合未來任務的需求,\n\n05:52.549 --> 06:09.779\n當然這是一個重要基礎我們沒有說不重要啦只是說它是一開始實驗性的最重要的一個基礎我們用未來的應用端做延伸對我知道我能夠體諒但是我還是要說就是說我們會擔心嘛在這樣子的一個基礎上也就是扎馬步\n\n06:10.939 --> 06:33.013\n馬步扎得穩當然很棒未來就有很大的無限可能但是不要忘記跟實務上不要有脫節這是我們所擔切的擔心所以我也希望說從今天的計畫我們看到有科研有任務甚至有相關的計畫2027相關的未來的部署我們都希望說有些可以再做更新未來是不是能夠在我們的科博館\n\n06:34.014 --> 06:54.648\n有一些相關的計畫或者是未來展望不知道我們的副主委你有看過台中市政府有所謂的城市未來的一個展區在台中市政府一樓嗎沒有有機會可以去看一下他在規劃整個城市的過往經來那也希望說跟大家講願景館\n\n06:56.269 --> 07:16.625\n那未來有沒有這個機會有關於所謂的太空科技的發展有這個願景甚至未來的部署然後有一些先行的計畫能夠呈現出一些故事來更新在科博館讓這些孩子能夠有太空夢能夠再看到我們台灣所屬的太空計畫這部分我也希望你能夠評估一下\n\n07:17.085 --> 07:43.311\n好謝謝委員我想做一個展區不是說一定要把這個東西拿過來放在這邊因為畢竟你們還在使用甚至有些東西不一定能夠曝光但是是不是有一種太空的願景館能夠再更新在科博館我知道本身科博館就有這一類的一些相關展區但是我希望說有更進一步的更新讓孩子能夠看到因為科博館其實很多的一些一理設施您在台中你也知道它是我們曾經北區\n\n07:44.591 --> 08:11.608\n還有西區的驕傲但有一些硬體設施我曾經去看過裡面還在用滑鼠點東西我們都在用觸控裡面還有用滑鼠所以我也希望說當然這個科博館不是你們的一個要照顧的一個機關但是未來它裡面的一些展區有你們的東西這是我們希望說這次國科會能夠有來幫忙的地方這個您覺得呢\n\n08:12.068 --> 08:27.578\n好謝謝委員的建議科博館裡面的一些展覽尤其是太空方面的它都要適時的更新所以下一次更新的時候我會請太空中心把委員所指教的這些太空的願景要有故事化把它納入裡面\n\n08:28.038 --> 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