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00:00:39,475\n委員好部長早部長好6月11日的時候教育委員會有針對AI基本法提出審查那超越立委針對主管機關的歸屬我們都存有疑義嘛那民進黨立委認為應該由訴發部主責那本黨立委包含本席都認為應該由國科會主責那今天希望藉由與部長的詢答那進一步討論還有零七訴發部對於主管權責還有態度還有定位的問題那部長您知道台灣AI行動計畫嗎它的七七年份是對\n\n3\n00:00:40,695 --> 00:01:01,091\n他的期期年份您知道嗎你說AI行動計畫對台灣AI行動計畫對那個我們就是剛剛講就關於這個組織的部會第一個我給意見就是那個因為很多推動工作因為國科會沒關係部長我現在請教您就是台灣AI行動計畫他的期期年份期期年份應該是從今年來\n\n4\n00:01:06,971 --> 00:01:11,913\n那當事的計畫他的主責機關是誰您知道嗎\n\n5\n00:01:23,103 --> 00:01:40,880\n2018的時候組織機關是那時候蘇發部還沒成立那時候還沒有成立沒有錯嗎那接下來如果蘇發部要發展AI的話您應該也要知道當時的組織機關是科技部還有就是現在的國科會那部長請問這份國家級AI發展計畫當時提出了您知道提出了幾個主軸方向嗎\n\n6\n00:01:43,923 --> 00:02:07,673\n這個這個也不清楚沒關係總共有五大主軸嘛那包括AI的人才衝刺我們可以看到還有領航推動經過國際AI創新樞紐他場域還有法規開放還有產業AI化嘛他我們可以看到從人才到產業到研發法規到國際的接軌那是當時國家整體AI發展的重要基礎部長這份計畫執行了四年那您知道他的行動計畫具體成效有哪一些嗎\n\n7\n00:02:08,573 --> 00:02:36,178\n到2018到2023嘛這個這個2023到2025是AI使用計畫的2.0所以它有一些的確有一些部長我們來看到關於人才方面科技部他針對AI人才養成大概有4300名科技基因他培訓超過了33000名AI的應用人才那我們可以看到企業Microsoft在2018年8月在台成立AI研發中心那Synopsys他在2020年2月他也\n\n8\n00:02:36,758 --> 00:02:57,989\n宣布成立新竹AI設計中心跟AIonchip示範計畫共同建構的AI晶片設計平台部長再一步請教您認為要成功發展AI需要具備哪些關鍵的要素剛剛瑋瑜講到第一個因素當然是人才嘛那再來就是資金嘛然後再來就是一些我們的這個剛剛講一些政策的協助那其中\n\n9\n00:02:59,770 --> 00:03:10,606\n那所以這部分就是我們在努力那其中還有包括演算法還有它的模組架構還有必須要有強大的硬體設備那部長這沒有錯吧強大的硬體設備那我們有這個超級電腦嗎速發部\n\n10\n00:03:15,407 --> 00:03:42,196\n我們塑化部第一個就是現在AI不是用超級電腦現在AI是用所謂的GPU嘛那我們塑化部的確有自己建的40片的GPU給微中小企業來使用這個是在做AI講第一個就是你有GPU那GPU其實跟過去講的超級電腦是不大一樣的東西所以我這個目前我們在做AI的運算裡面大部分要的是GPU所以部長你是說沒有超級電腦也沒關係嗎\n\n11\n00:03:44,075 --> 00:04:10,552\n不同的應用不同的應用但是我的意思是說在很多我們現在看到訓練的modelAI的訓練model那請教部長如果速發部沒有就是這樣的基礎設施還有技術體還有這樣的技術嘛那未來將來如果速發部要組織AI基本法的時候那要如何從根本去支持這項國家級的研發這個我們在這個基本法其實只是一個框架並沒有說要這到時候再定所謂的這個作用法的時候才會去討論這些事情\n\n12\n00:04:11,352 --> 00:04:39,660\n所以到時候才會討論所以您是說國科會他會主導AI科研然後速發部是負責應用監理嗎就是報告委員就是說其實AI基本法有個很重要的幾個元素一個就是風險管理一個是資料治理那這兩個工作都在速發部所以因為這樣關係所以行政院才認為這個AI的基本法推動是一個速發部請教部長那速發部要如何監理您一個本身沒有辦法深入了解然後沒有辦法主導設計沒有基礎架構的集成的\n\n13\n00:04:40,340 --> 00:05:07,366\n資深的系統呢跟委員說明一下關於那個超級電腦的事情因為超級電腦事實上在這個學術界跟產業界以前都是指的都是由CPU為base的那個高速運算的電腦但是現在AI使用的是GPU並不是CPU如果接下來AI的技術它快速演進的話那出現技術外溢還有演算法的風險速發部要如何來面對這樣資料\n\n14\n00:05:09,406 --> 00:05:19,854\n跟委員說明一下其實現在AI使用的是類神經網路類神經網路其實它的智慧的來源其實並不是來自於演算法你們有沒有足夠的AI模型原理還有風險架構還有資料來源\n\n15\n00:05:24,577 --> 00:05:45,157\nAI模型原理這個是屬於那個先進的研發那這個主要是在那個教育部還有國科會主責的這個在研發還有那個在學校機構大學裡面會做這方面的研發那我們速發部主要負責的是產業是AI的產業並不是AI的技術研發那這一次就是要這次有沒有跟產業合作有沒有跟產業討論過\n\n16\n00:05:46,978 --> 00:06:05,379\n對我們就是很多Program都是在跟產業這個剛剛講就是不管是補助或投資這些都有所以還有政策就是引導所以的確發展AI在上層就剛剛講有三種人才嘛一種就是研發人才那一種是所謂的開發人才一種就是使用人才那\n\n17\n00:06:05,919 --> 00:06:30,369\n主要在這個開發跟使用的都在速發部所以就是說國科會或者教育部主要是在上面的這個研發是因為我們今天討論的是發展AI嘛那速發部現在有沒有具備像是OpenAIGoogleDeepMind或是Meta類似技術的背景團這樣的技術團專業發展AI是個跨部會的合作那我們現在回到講的是說AI基本法在推動的時候誰來推動比較適合\n\n18\n00:06:31,249 --> 00:06:52,791\n那塑膠布有跨部會的整合能力嗎我們有跟我們就是當然當然就是我們在行政院裡面有經過剛剛講就是經過這個副院長或是政委的主持還有跟國科會我們都有密切討論那當然就是說這個剛剛還是講就是說因為AI基本化的幾個精神主要是資料治理跟風險的管控\n\n19\n00:06:53,231 --> 00:07:21,754\n那這個部分的工作是行政院是由訴話部來主責所以因為這個關係所以才會把AI基本法放在訴話部來處理這是基本原則但是AI基本法是一個框架下面很多作用法還是要各個部位去制定是部長到時候7月15號的時候我們會提出一個版本對會參考我們現在總共有14個委員版本我們現在的工作就是把14個委員版本歸納以後成為一個大家都能夠接受的版本OK好謝謝謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2867\t4711\t好 謝謝主席 主席有請速發部黃部長請部長\n13427\t39475\t委員好部長早 部長好6月11日的時候教育委員會有針對AI基本法提出審查那超越立委針對主管機關的歸屬我們都存有疑義嘛那民進黨立委認為應該由訴發部主責那本黨立委包含本席都認為應該由國科會主責那今天希望藉由與部長的詢答那進一步討論還有零七訴發部對於主管權責還有態度還有定位的問題那部長您知道台灣AI行動計畫嗎它的七七年份是對\n40695\t61091\t他的期期年份您知道嗎你說AI行動計畫對 台灣AI行動計畫對 那個我們就是剛剛講就關於這個組織的部會第一個我給意見就是那個因為很多推動工作因為國科會 沒關係部長我現在請教您就是台灣AI行動計畫他的期期年份期期年份應該是從今年來\n66971\t71913\t那當事的計畫他的主責機關是誰 您知道嗎\n83103\t100880\t2018的時候組織機關是那時候蘇發部還沒成立那時候還沒有成立沒有錯嗎那接下來如果蘇發部要發展AI的話您應該也要知道當時的組織機關是科技部還有就是現在的國科會那部長請問這份國家級AI發展計畫當時提出了您知道提出了幾個主軸方向嗎\n103923\t127673\t這個 這個也不清楚 沒關係 總共有五大主軸嘛那包括AI的人才衝刺 我們可以看到還有領航推動經過國際AI創新樞紐他場域還有法規開放 還有產業AI化嘛他 我們可以看到從人才到產業到研發法規到國際的接軌 那是當時國家整體AI發展的重要基礎部長這份計畫執行了四年 那您知道他的行動計畫具體成效有哪一些嗎\n128573\t156178\t到2018到2023嘛這個這個2023到2025是AI使用計畫的2.0所以它有一些的確有一些部長我們來看到關於人才方面科技部他針對AI人才養成大概有4300名科技基因他培訓超過了33000名AI的應用人才那我們可以看到企業Microsoft在2018年8月在台成立AI研發中心那Synopsys他在2020年2月他也\n156758\t177989\t宣布成立新竹AI設計中心跟AI on chip示範計畫共同建構的AI晶片設計平台部長再一步請教您認為要成功發展AI需要具備哪些關鍵的要素剛剛瑋瑜講到第一個因素當然是人才嘛那再來就是資金嘛然後再來就是一些我們的這個剛剛講一些政策的協助那其中\n179770\t190606\t那所以這部分就是我們在努力那其中還有包括演算法還有它的模組架構還有必須要有強大的硬體設備那部長這沒有錯吧強大的硬體設備那我們有這個超級電腦嗎速發部\n195407\t222196\t我們塑化部第一個就是現在AI不是用超級電腦現在AI是用所謂的GPU嘛那我們塑化部的確有自己建的40片的GPU給微中小企業來使用這個是在做AI講第一個就是你有GPU那GPU其實跟過去講的超級電腦是不大一樣的東西所以我這個目前我們在做AI的運算裡面大部分要的是GPU所以部長你是說沒有超級電腦也沒關係嗎\n224075\t250552\t不同的應用 不同的應用但是我的意思是說在很多我們現在看到訓練的modelAI的訓練model那請教部長如果速發部沒有就是這樣的基礎設施還有技術體還有這樣的技術嘛那未來將來如果速發部要組織AI基本法的時候那要如何從根本去支持這項國家級的研發這個我們在這個基本法其實只是一個框架並沒有說要這到時候再定所謂的這個作用法的時候才會去討論這些事情\n251352\t279660\t所以到時候才會討論所以您是說國科會他會主導AI科研然後速發部是負責應用監理嗎就是報告委員就是說其實AI基本法有個很重要的幾個元素一個就是風險管理一個是資料治理那這兩個工作都在速發部所以因為這樣關係所以行政院才認為這個AI的基本法推動是一個速發部請教部長那速發部要如何監理您一個本身沒有辦法深入了解然後沒有辦法主導設計沒有基礎架構的集成的\n280340\t307366\t資深的系統呢跟委員說明一下關於那個超級電腦的事情因為超級電腦事實上在這個學術界跟產業界以前都是指的都是由CPU為base的那個高速運算的電腦但是現在AI使用的是GPU並不是CPU如果接下來AI的技術它快速演進的話那出現技術外溢還有演算法的風險速發部要如何來面對這樣資料\n309406\t319854\t跟委員說明一下其實現在AI使用的是類神經網路類神經網路其實它的智慧的來源其實並不是來自於演算法你們有沒有足夠的AI模型原理還有風險架構還有資料來源\n324577\t345157\tAI模型原理這個是屬於那個先進的研發那這個主要是在那個教育部還有國科會主責的這個在研發還有那個在學校機構大學裡面會做這方面的研發那我們速發部主要負責的是產業是AI的產業並不是AI的技術研發那這一次就是要這次有沒有跟產業合作有沒有跟產業討論過\n346978\t365379\t對 我們就是很多Program都是在跟產業這個剛剛講就是不管是補助或投資這些都有所以還有政策就是引導所以的確發展AI在上層就剛剛講有三種人才嘛一種就是研發人才那一種是所謂的開發人才一種就是使用人才那\n365919\t390369\t主要在這個開發跟使用的都在速發部所以就是說國科會或者教育部主要是在上面的這個研發是因為我們今天討論的是發展AI嘛那速發部現在有沒有具備像是OpenAI GoogleDeepMind或是Meta類似技術的背景團這樣的技術團專業發展AI是個跨部會的合作那我們現在回到講的是說AI基本法在推動的時候誰來推動比較適合\n391249\t412791\t那塑膠布有跨部會的整合能力嗎我們有跟我們就是當然當然就是我們在行政院裡面有經過剛剛講就是經過這個副院長或是政委的主持還有跟國科會我們都有密切討論那當然就是說這個剛剛還是講就是說因為AI基本化的幾個精神主要是資料治理跟風險的管控\n413231\t441754\t那這個部分的工作是行政院是由訴話部來主責所以因為這個關係所以才會把AI基本法放在訴話部來處理這是基本原則但是AI基本法是一個框架下面很多作用法還是要各個部位去制定是 部長到時候7月15號的時候我們會提出一個版本對 會參考我們現在總共有14個委員版本我們現在的工作就是把14個委員版本歸納以後成為一個大家都能夠接受的版本OK 好 謝謝 謝謝部長\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 主席有請速發部黃部長請部長\n委員好部長早 部長好6月11日的時候教育委員會有針對AI基本法提出審查那超越立委針對主管機關的歸屬我們都存有疑義嘛那民進黨立委認為應該由訴發部主責那本黨立委包含本席都認為應該由國科會主責那今天希望藉由與部長的詢答那進一步討論還有零七訴發部對於主管權責還有態度還有定位的問題那部長您知道台灣AI行動計畫嗎它的七七年份是對\n他的期期年份您知道嗎你說AI行動計畫對 台灣AI行動計畫對 那個我們就是剛剛講就關於這個組織的部會第一個我給意見就是那個因為很多推動工作因為國科會 沒關係部長我現在請教您就是台灣AI行動計畫他的期期年份期期年份應該是從今年來\n那當事的計畫他的主責機關是誰 您知道嗎\n2018的時候組織機關是那時候蘇發部還沒成立那時候還沒有成立沒有錯嗎那接下來如果蘇發部要發展AI的話您應該也要知道當時的組織機關是科技部還有就是現在的國科會那部長請問這份國家級AI發展計畫當時提出了您知道提出了幾個主軸方向嗎\n這個 這個也不清楚 沒關係 總共有五大主軸嘛那包括AI的人才衝刺 我們可以看到還有領航推動經過國際AI創新樞紐他場域還有法規開放 還有產業AI化嘛他 我們可以看到從人才到產業到研發法規到國際的接軌 那是當時國家整體AI發展的重要基礎部長這份計畫執行了四年 那您知道他的行動計畫具體成效有哪一些嗎\n到2018到2023嘛這個這個2023到2025是AI使用計畫的2.0所以它有一些的確有一些部長我們來看到關於人才方面科技部他針對AI人才養成大概有4300名科技基因他培訓超過了33000名AI的應用人才那我們可以看到企業Microsoft在2018年8月在台成立AI研發中心那Synopsys他在2020年2月他也\n宣布成立新竹AI設計中心跟AI on chip示範計畫共同建構的AI晶片設計平台部長再一步請教您認為要成功發展AI需要具備哪些關鍵的要素剛剛瑋瑜講到第一個因素當然是人才嘛那再來就是資金嘛然後再來就是一些我們的這個剛剛講一些政策的協助那其中\n那所以這部分就是我們在努力那其中還有包括演算法還有它的模組架構還有必須要有強大的硬體設備那部長這沒有錯吧強大的硬體設備那我們有這個超級電腦嗎速發部\n我們塑化部第一個就是現在AI不是用超級電腦現在AI是用所謂的GPU嘛那我們塑化部的確有自己建的40片的GPU給微中小企業來使用這個是在做AI講第一個就是你有GPU那GPU其實跟過去講的超級電腦是不大一樣的東西所以我這個目前我們在做AI的運算裡面大部分要的是GPU所以部長你是說沒有超級電腦也沒關係嗎\n不同的應用 不同的應用但是我的意思是說在很多我們現在看到訓練的modelAI的訓練model那請教部長如果速發部沒有就是這樣的基礎設施還有技術體還有這樣的技術嘛那未來將來如果速發部要組織AI基本法的時候那要如何從根本去支持這項國家級的研發這個我們在這個基本法其實只是一個框架並沒有說要這到時候再定所謂的這個作用法的時候才會去討論這些事情\n所以到時候才會討論所以您是說國科會他會主導AI科研然後速發部是負責應用監理嗎就是報告委員就是說其實AI基本法有個很重要的幾個元素一個就是風險管理一個是資料治理那這兩個工作都在速發部所以因為這樣關係所以行政院才認為這個AI的基本法推動是一個速發部請教部長那速發部要如何監理您一個本身沒有辦法深入了解然後沒有辦法主導設計沒有基礎架構的集成的\n資深的系統呢跟委員說明一下關於那個超級電腦的事情因為超級電腦事實上在這個學術界跟產業界以前都是指的都是由CPU為base的那個高速運算的電腦但是現在AI使用的是GPU並不是CPU如果接下來AI的技術它快速演進的話那出現技術外溢還有演算法的風險速發部要如何來面對這樣資料\n跟委員說明一下其實現在AI使用的是類神經網路類神經網路其實它的智慧的來源其實並不是來自於演算法你們有沒有足夠的AI模型原理還有風險架構還有資料來源\nAI模型原理這個是屬於那個先進的研發那這個主要是在那個教育部還有國科會主責的這個在研發還有那個在學校機構大學裡面會做這方面的研發那我們速發部主要負責的是產業是AI的產業並不是AI的技術研發那這一次就是要這次有沒有跟產業合作有沒有跟產業討論過\n對 我們就是很多Program都是在跟產業這個剛剛講就是不管是補助或投資這些都有所以還有政策就是引導所以的確發展AI在上層就剛剛講有三種人才嘛一種就是研發人才那一種是所謂的開發人才一種就是使用人才那\n主要在這個開發跟使用的都在速發部所以就是說國科會或者教育部主要是在上面的這個研發是因為我們今天討論的是發展AI嘛那速發部現在有沒有具備像是OpenAI GoogleDeepMind或是Meta類似技術的背景團這樣的技術團專業發展AI是個跨部會的合作那我們現在回到講的是說AI基本法在推動的時候誰來推動比較適合\n那塑膠布有跨部會的整合能力嗎我們有跟我們就是當然當然就是我們在行政院裡面有經過剛剛講就是經過這個副院長或是政委的主持還有跟國科會我們都有密切討論那當然就是說這個剛剛還是講就是說因為AI基本化的幾個精神主要是資料治理跟風險的管控\n那這個部分的工作是行政院是由訴話部來主責所以因為這個關係所以才會把AI基本法放在訴話部來處理這是基本原則但是AI基本法是一個框架下面很多作用法還是要各個部位去制定是 部長到時候7月15號的時候我們會提出一個版本對 會參考我們現在總共有14個委員版本我們現在的工作就是把14個委員版本歸納以後成為一個大家都能夠接受的版本OK 好 謝謝 謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.867 --> 00:04.711\n好謝謝主席主席有請速發部黃部長請部長\n\n00:13.427 --> 00:39.475\n委員好部長早部長好6月11日的時候教育委員會有針對AI基本法提出審查那超越立委針對主管機關的歸屬我們都存有疑義嘛那民進黨立委認為應該由訴發部主責那本黨立委包含本席都認為應該由國科會主責那今天希望藉由與部長的詢答那進一步討論還有零七訴發部對於主管權責還有態度還有定位的問題那部長您知道台灣AI行動計畫嗎它的七七年份是對\n\n00:40.695 --> 01:01.091\n他的期期年份您知道嗎你說AI行動計畫對台灣AI行動計畫對那個我們就是剛剛講就關於這個組織的部會第一個我給意見就是那個因為很多推動工作因為國科會沒關係部長我現在請教您就是台灣AI行動計畫他的期期年份期期年份應該是從今年來\n\n01:06.971 --> 01:11.913\n那當事的計畫他的主責機關是誰您知道嗎\n\n01:23.103 --> 01:40.880\n2018的時候組織機關是那時候蘇發部還沒成立那時候還沒有成立沒有錯嗎那接下來如果蘇發部要發展AI的話您應該也要知道當時的組織機關是科技部還有就是現在的國科會那部長請問這份國家級AI發展計畫當時提出了您知道提出了幾個主軸方向嗎\n\n01:43.923 --> 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