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00:00:59,808\n但是呢就算依据财政收支花分法的新法的地方自治事项的精神所以请教一下地方没钱是中央砍的中央又叫地方\n\n4\n00:01:00,689 --> 00:01:03,952\n製草經費,請問這個是不是一邊砍錢,就一邊要逼大家來出錢做賊,賊的賊,賊人的賊救人沒有啦,台灣部局因為頭錢是都凍結的部分凍結的部分也是,我們立法院這邊凍結的部分,我們只好先暫停\n\n5\n00:01:22,110 --> 00:01:35,002\n先暫停先控制一些行動但是現在我們另外一年我們現在解凍的部分有出來了我們也是須要有同體電影政府完喻的一些相關的步驟我們就照樣再申請所以並不說像委員說的我一邊又不讓他申請一邊又要求他申請不是這樣我們剛才說的那是\n\n6\n00:01:44,109 --> 00:01:54,114\n所以我們如果是財化法新法要要釋憲中央要急著拿它來當借口來卸責你看6月16號在講這要給委員報告因為這是我們地方政府\n\n7\n00:01:58,636 --> 00:02:10,125\n我們電影政府六島裡面有五島的審判單位比較前面來說希望我們出一個公文如果他們的主席單位沒辦法照這個部分來編所以那時候我們這裡的台北的雜誌比較快發出來說後面有一個禁錮但是呢確實全部都要等最好我們主席總署這邊所提供的這個收支花分的這個項目\n\n8\n00:02:22,274 --> 00:02:26,977\n最好再來做處理所以當然是這個原因並不是說我們這次就需要求他一定要馬上就這樣做所以我們要讓委員了解是啊是啊他當然是確定要解釋說解釋說這個所以跟委員報告我們當然是在這個解釋地方政府也是認為說如果開始這個\n\n9\n00:02:45,488 --> 00:02:55,375\n這個新的修繕化文化出來之後當然地方要來探討中央公社的分擔比例的部分他們也要等這85年的屋剩要變的時候他們就要提早來塑膠這件事所以過程中就是大家在行政作業上都要先塑膠美妮的屋剩之後變了的時候大家互相來做一個因應跟這個調配的工作我想這份要給委員做一個順序現在不是跟我們說的不是要跟大家說的因為\n\n10\n00:03:14,309 --> 00:03:17,192\n我們地方的首長大家都要求你討論所以我們想說這個部分就希望說我們要去討論因為地方的錢地方自治\n\n11\n00:03:32,845 --> 00:03:38,753\n地方的稅務啊地方要直接給地方嗎這個就是一個觀念嘛地方的稅務地方的錢要繳回國庫對不對我們這邊要怎麼樣在地方來去溝通\n\n12\n00:03:51,508 --> 00:03:53,509\n不可以說今天我們捏的錢也是地方的政府來去幫我們把關跟我們收稅還有地方的一些企業來去找中央我們中央才有這個錢對不對不可以說\n\n13\n00:04:10,274 --> 00:04:15,197\n這中央我們砍的是中央該花的錢我們沒有砍地方不可以說你拿地方來開刀我們主要的目的就是死亡你這樣做我要感謝委員因為確信一百一十一年進行原地就是中央跟地方大家都有一些分配平均是中央75%地方25%這樣分配\n\n14\n00:04:34,468 --> 00:04:58,973\n當然一百十一年到一百十四年呢當然是因為我們當時的行政考慮到我們的稅積剩餘有比較多所以希望改造中央來轉押負擔但是現在因為財化法中心分配之後還是中央會經營的減少所以我們是希望恢復到一百十一年進行原地中央跟地方的全部屋都隨人有分配第二就是說\n\n15\n00:05:00,554 --> 00:05:19,267\n這絕對不是中央請地方來負責的這個概念因為在這個所有的審查規定當中地方政府是負責審查跟協定中央是做調查所以有一些手段可能不瞭解實際的情形很難去證明所以會跟他說這都中央在處理的不是事實現在是地方在審查中央來負責調查而已好我聽話但是你大家都是要\n\n16\n00:05:28,054 --> 00:05:38,498\n你說這樣就是...所以本來台商鋒都有一個...所以我們要再問第二題,過去中央因為你剛才講的,我們是知道說你有在處理,有在做事情我們認同啦,你還好好做\n\n17\n00:05:51,582 --> 00:05:56,906\n中央跟地方合作我們國家才會興旺第二個我要去問的是說我們韓澤租金補貼補給就是擴大成效要提升但是我們就是因為大家都會擔心聽你說完後但是大家擔心說財政壓力說就是\n\n18\n00:06:13,757 --> 00:06:19,640\n地方自治但是我們中央的政策也不能說讓地方這樣子去買單也不能說因為我們的政策要求是300億來去補助我們地方但是地方現在要求的變略所以我們希望說我們中央要勇於\n\n19\n00:06:34,349 --> 00:06:35,751\n承擔要負責啦這個不是一個政策未定是推責任的問題還有我們公開講的就是說不是突擊但是看到地方就是砍錢我們也覺得說\n\n20\n00:06:49,486 --> 00:06:51,127\n還遠遠高於租金的補貼的承擔的額度啦中央怎麼樣當作就是視而不見呢我們希望就是如果我們中央不想發就是要講清楚如果要發就是要\n\n21\n00:07:04,517 --> 00:07:08,041\n要補助諸夫補助的,就是要讓我們年輕人,他們就是有願意這樣子去做,不能說的,說的這麼做,都沒有人有感受到,所以變成這樣子的話,人家會說\n\n22\n00:07:21,537 --> 00:07:26,563\n中央就是吹冷氣在說而已地方做到要死年輕人要企業也沒有這樣叫什麼失德了啦所以我們希望說我們財化法明明訂一般補助不得低於七年\n\n23\n00:07:38,496 --> 00:07:51,012\n但是我們鎮院卻公然違法刪減補助所以在這個部分我們希望說不要再一直在講說在野黨癱瘓預算我們的國土署這樣一方面就是財化法\n\n24\n00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:12,712\n自救我們這邊又要三這樣子的話去沉默所以我們要有正當性的像你剛才說的我們就是要理性治國正當性的互相來去討論不要每一件事情都是上電視\n\n25\n00:08:15,934 --> 00:08:21,198\n來跟你們聊天跟你們說年輕人的租金補貼我想我們大家都有共識我們這個租金補貼的這個中央不可以減我想這是大家都共識的大問題我們也不會去俗話說要去減少這個補貼的這個部分好將會實施嘛你一定會把就是中央的費用一定給地方中央的衝擊的部分我想我們都會跟\n\n26\n00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:52,201\n在今年年初其實都已經有跟地方政府談到可能會有這個現象了所以現在所以你們中央的經費一定給地方讓地方來去付給我們年輕人是這樣子嗎其實本來在補貼的部分一定會照這樣的方式繼續來執行但是呢因為受限財化法中央的確現在未來財源也可能會不足所以才會提早跟地方政府來討論所以我們才說你雙標嘛這樣子說這個財化法\n\n27\n00:09:06,611 --> 00:09:09,475\n又說要釋憲這邊又說柴化房到底要不要給嘛就是給他通過再給錢才說嘛不能就是說所以我才說就是做柴要把柴\n\n28\n00:09:24,414 --> 00:09:26,615\n我們現在要的就是大家都說年輕人現在願意工作願意在外工作為了打拚所以我們希望真真的去補助我們年輕人\n\n29\n00:09:54,794 --> 00:10:17,941\n租宅的部分也是一样租金我们也希望租房子都有问题了不要说在结婚生子现在呢租宅法也是一样我们租宅法依据我们的租宅法我们的修法报告政府说14年到\n\n30\n00:10:19,941 --> 00:10:25,164\n21年預算,預計就是新建13萬戶的社會住宅但是截止114年的盤點出業,就是9.4萬戶的土地而已所以還有經3.6萬戶的土地\n\n31\n00:10:41,193 --> 00:10:41,633\n所以更令人擔憂的是說行政院節省經費\n\n32\n00:11:11,073 --> 00:11:17,578\n是否代表我們政府繼續繼續騙年輕人讓我們年輕人又住不起等於就是沒有活路啦所以我們希望就是說我們中央這邊規劃住宅租金是否有真正的反應\n\n33\n00:11:28,847 --> 00:11:31,509\n真真的讓我們是真的我們不要倚仗你看啊我們就是倚仗的%數但是我們年輕人一個月只有三萬塊倚仗的%數要怎麼倒下去\n\n34\n00:11:46,180 --> 00:11:58,032\n所以我們希望真正的負擔不是你們的定價而是平價的租宅才真正的解決我想委員大家有看到我們林口社宅的這個定價方式啦其實現在續約都已經完成\n\n35\n00:12:00,074 --> 00:12:26,619\n那而且新的住戶滿六年以後新的住戶都住進去我們一樣滿租率到九成多那也跟各位也跟委員報告就是說我們的分級制度其實現在幾乎大概各都都已經跟我們都是一致的這部分我們在這個這個禮拜的部會議通過以後就會來發佈那第三個其實中央的社宅已經陸陸續續都完工了那在在新一波的這個招租也在這個月初都已經\n\n36\n00:12:27,499 --> 00:12:33,625\n開始進行招租所以中央的這個社宅的政策不會打折而且會陸陸續續在這幾年快速的呈現我們每年大概都會有4000戶到7000戶的速度呈現出來那所以這個也請各位也請委員還有\n\n37\n00:12:44,035 --> 00:12:52,618\n社會各界都不用擔心中央在這方面的速度會很快而且比地方速度快速度很快我們實際場刊就覺得沒有像你說的那麼快了因為時間的關係我們看到的是土地現在都沒有你說租戶又可以達成所以你把這些資料給我因為我們場刊就看到就是\n\n38\n00:13:09,443 --> 00:13:13,789\n很慢都還沒有蓋好但是呢你們就是說八年後就十三萬戶蔡英文沒有做到賴總統跟我們報告我們陸陸續續都會開始出來所以我們希望\n\n39\n00:13:21,940 --> 00:13:23,941\n當前的政府不是照顧啦是卸責中央削減的補助卻要求地方資助砍責任這個雙標我們就看得很清楚希望你真的剛才你講的落實住進補貼看似是擴大但是轉嫁\n\n40\n00:13:40,593 --> 00:13:44,797\n給地方的財政所以結果我們年輕無法地方無錢政策能不能只是要寫稿而已我們是要落實落實不要是寫稿或者用逛的所以財政法不能成為就是我們推責任的藉口讓我們的行政部門要回去討論要去檢討\n\n41\n00:14:04,913 --> 00:14:09,076\n如何不要再砍錢要逼錢所以剛才我講的不要就是做差劃兩差不能怕人或叫人人民富有國家才希望人們要的是我們負責的責任不是甩鍋的中央所以希望\n\n42\n00:14:26,670 --> 00:14:32,634\n真的你要去把錢趕快給地方地方才能給我們年輕人讓我們的台灣真正的落實經濟謝謝好謝謝好謝謝苗栗真委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6401\t9886\t謝主席有請署長署長有請文豪\n18556\t42567\t署長好 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這邊又說柴化房到底要不要給嘛就是給他通過再給錢才說嘛不能就是說所以我才說就是做柴要把柴\n564414\t566615\t我們現在要的就是大家都說年輕人現在願意工作願意在外工作為了打拚所以我們希望真真的去補助我們年輕人\n594794\t617941\t租宅的部分也是一样租金我们也希望租房子都有问题了不要说在结婚生子现在呢租宅法也是一样我们租宅法依据我们的租宅法我们的修法报告政府说14年到\n619941\t625164\t21年預算,預計就是新建13萬戶的社會住宅但是截止114年的盤點出業,就是9.4萬戶的土地而已所以還有經3.6萬戶的土地\n641193\t641633\t所以更令人擔憂的是說行政院節省經費\n671073\t677578\t是否代表我們政府繼續繼續騙年輕人讓我們年輕人又住不起等於就是沒有活路啦所以我們希望就是說我們中央這邊規劃住宅租金是否有真正的反應\n688847\t691509\t真真的讓我們是真的我們不要倚仗你看啊我們就是倚仗的%數但是我們年輕人一個月只有三萬塊倚仗的%數要怎麼倒下去\n706180\t718032\t所以我們希望真正的負擔不是你們的定價而是平價的租宅才真正的解決我想委員大家有看到我們林口社宅的這個定價方式啦其實現在續約都已經完成\n720074\t746619\t那而且新的住戶滿六年以後新的住戶都住進去我們一樣滿租率到九成多那也跟各位也跟委員報告就是說我們的分級制度其實現在幾乎大概各都都已經跟我們都是一致的這部分我們在這個這個禮拜的部會議通過以後就會來發佈那第三個其實中央的社宅已經陸陸續續都完工了那在在新一波的這個招租也在這個月初都已經\n747499\t753625\t開始進行招租所以中央的這個社宅的政策不會打折而且會陸陸續續在這幾年快速的呈現我們每年大概都會有4000戶到7000戶的速度呈現出來那所以這個也請各位也請委員還有\n764035\t772618\t社會各界都不用擔心中央在這方面的速度會很快而且比地方速度快速度很快我們實際場刊就覺得沒有像你說的那麼快了因為時間的關係我們看到的是土地現在都沒有你說租戶又可以達成所以你把這些資料給我因為我們場刊就看到就是\n789443\t793789\t很慢都還沒有蓋好但是呢你們就是說八年後就十三萬戶蔡英文沒有做到賴總統跟我們報告我們陸陸續續都會開始出來所以我們希望\n801940\t803941\t當前的政府不是照顧啦是卸責中央削減的補助卻要求地方資助砍責任這個雙標我們就看得很清楚希望你真的剛才你講的落實住進補貼看似是擴大但是轉嫁\n820593\t824797\t給地方的財政所以結果我們年輕無法地方無錢政策能不能只是要寫稿而已我們是要落實落實不要是寫稿或者用逛的所以財政法不能成為就是我們推責任的藉口讓我們的行政部門要回去討論要去檢討\n844913\t849076\t如何不要再砍錢要逼錢所以剛才我講的不要就是做差劃兩差不能怕人或叫人人民富有國家才希望人們要的是我們負責的責任不是甩鍋的中央所以希望\n866670\t872634\t真的 你要去把錢趕快給地方地方才能給我們年輕人讓我們的台灣真正的落實經濟謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝苗栗真委員的質詢\n","txt":"謝主席有請署長署長有請文豪\n署長好 我們行政院在今年大到統三地方一般性補助款636億元讓許多地方財政困境首長聯合陳情當現在國土府卻轉頭要求地方勇於承擔租金補助的責任\n但是呢就算依据财政收支花分法的新法的地方自治事项的精神所以请教一下地方没钱是中央砍的中央又叫地方\n製草經費,請問這個是不是一邊砍錢,就一邊要逼大家來出錢做賊,賊的賊,賊人的賊救人沒有啦,台灣部局因為頭錢是都凍結的部分凍結的部分也是,我們立法院這邊凍結的部分,我們只好先暫停\n先暫停先控制一些行動但是現在我們另外一年我們現在解凍的部分有出來了我們也是須要有同體電影政府完喻的一些相關的步驟我們就照樣再申請所以並不說像委員說的我一邊又不讓他申請一邊又要求他申請不是這樣我們剛才說的那是\n所以我們如果是財化法新法要要釋憲中央要急著拿它來當借口來卸責你看6月16號在講這要給委員報告因為這是我們地方政府\n我們電影政府六島裡面有五島的審判單位 比較前面來說希望我們出一個公文 如果他們的主席單位沒辦法照這個部分來編所以那時候我們這裡的台北的雜誌 比較快發出來說後面有一個禁錮但是呢 確實全部都要等 最好我們主席總署這邊所提供的這個收支 花分的這個項目\n最好再來做處理所以當然是這個原因並不是說我們這次就需要求他一定要馬上就這樣做所以我們要讓委員了解是啊是啊他當然是確定要解釋說解釋說這個所以跟委員報告我們當然是在這個解釋地方政府也是認為說如果開始這個\n這個新的修繕化文化出來之後當然地方要來探討中央公社的分擔比例的部分他們也要等這85年的屋剩要變的時候他們就要提早來塑膠這件事所以過程中就是大家在行政作業上都要先塑膠美妮的屋剩之後變了的時候大家互相來做一個因應跟這個調配的工作我想這份要給委員做一個順序現在不是跟我們說的不是要跟大家說的因為\n我們地方的首長 大家都要求你討論所以我們想說 這個部分就希望說我們要去討論因為地方的錢 地方自治\n地方的稅務啊 地方要直接給地方嗎 這個就是一個觀念嘛地方的稅務 地方的錢 要繳回國庫 對不對我們這邊要怎麼樣在地方來去溝通\n不可以說今天我們捏的錢也是地方的政府來去幫我們把關跟我們收稅還有地方的一些企業來去找中央我們中央才有這個錢對不對 不可以說\n這中央我們砍的是中央該花的錢 我們沒有砍地方 不可以說你拿地方來開刀 我們主要的目的就是死亡你這樣做 我要感謝委員 因為確信一百一十一年進行 原地就是中央跟地方大家都有一些分配 平均是中央75% 地方25%這樣分配\n當然一百十一年到一百十四年呢當然是因為我們當時的行政考慮到我們的稅積剩餘有比較多所以希望改造中央來轉押負擔但是現在因為財化法中心分配之後還是中央會經營的減少所以我們是希望恢復到一百十一年進行原地中央跟地方的全部屋都隨人有分配第二就是說\n這絕對不是中央請地方來負責的這個概念因為在這個所有的審查規定當中地方政府是負責審查跟協定中央是做調查所以有一些手段可能不瞭解實際的情形很難去證明所以會跟他說這都中央在處理的不是 事實現在是地方在審查中央來負責調查而已好 我聽話 但是你大家都是要\n你說這樣就是...所以本來台商鋒都有一個...所以我們要再問第二題,過去中央因為你剛才講的,我們是知道說你有在處理,有在做事情我們認同啦,你還好好做\n中央跟地方合作我們國家才會興旺第二個我要去問的是說我們韓澤租金補貼補給就是擴大成效要提升但是我們就是因為大家都會擔心聽你說完後但是大家擔心說財政壓力說就是\n地方自治但是我們中央的政策也不能說讓地方這樣子去買單也不能說因為我們的政策要求是300億來去補助我們地方但是地方現在要求的變略所以我們希望說我們中央要勇於\n承擔 要負責啦 這個不是一個政策未定是推責任的問題 還有我們公開講的就是說不是突擊但是看到地方就是砍錢 我們也覺得說\n還遠遠高於租金的補貼的承擔的額度啦中央怎麼樣當作就是視而不見呢我們希望就是如果我們中央不想發就是要講清楚如果要發就是要\n要補助諸夫補助的,就是要讓我們年輕人,他們就是有願意這樣子去做,不能說的,說的這麼做,都沒有人有感受到,所以變成這樣子的話,人家會說\n中央就是吹冷氣在說而已 地方做到要死 年輕人要企業也沒有 這樣叫什麼 失德了啦所以我們希望說我們財化法 明明訂一般補助 不得低於七年\n但是我們鎮院卻公然違法刪減補助所以在這個部分我們希望說不要再一直在講說在野黨癱瘓預算我們的國土署這樣一方面就是財化法\n自救我們這邊又要三這樣子的話去沉默所以我們要有正當性的像你剛才說的我們就是要理性治國正當性的互相來去討論不要每一件事情都是上電視\n來跟你們聊天跟你們說年輕人的租金補貼 我想我們大家都有共識我們這個租金補貼的這個中央不可以減我想這是大家都共識的大問題我們也不會去俗話說要去減少這個補貼的這個部分好 將會實施嘛你一定會把就是中央的費用一定給地方 中央的衝擊的部分我想我們都會跟\n在今年年初其實都已經有跟地方政府談到可能會有這個現象了所以現在所以你們中央的經費一定給地方讓地方來去付給我們年輕人是這樣子嗎其實本來在補貼的部分一定會照這樣的方式繼續來執行但是呢因為受限財化法中央的確現在未來財源也可能會不足所以才會提早跟地方政府來討論所以我們才說你雙標嘛這樣子說這個財化法\n又說要釋憲 這邊又說柴化房到底要不要給嘛就是給他通過再給錢才說嘛不能就是說所以我才說就是做柴要把柴\n我們現在要的就是大家都說年輕人現在願意工作願意在外工作為了打拚所以我們希望真真的去補助我們年輕人\n租宅的部分也是一样租金我们也希望租房子都有问题了不要说在结婚生子现在呢租宅法也是一样我们租宅法依据我们的租宅法我们的修法报告政府说14年到\n21年預算,預計就是新建13萬戶的社會住宅但是截止114年的盤點出業,就是9.4萬戶的土地而已所以還有經3.6萬戶的土地\n所以更令人擔憂的是說行政院節省經費\n是否代表我們政府繼續繼續騙年輕人讓我們年輕人又住不起等於就是沒有活路啦所以我們希望就是說我們中央這邊規劃住宅租金是否有真正的反應\n真真的讓我們是真的我們不要倚仗你看啊我們就是倚仗的%數但是我們年輕人一個月只有三萬塊倚仗的%數要怎麼倒下去\n所以我們希望真正的負擔不是你們的定價而是平價的租宅才真正的解決我想委員大家有看到我們林口社宅的這個定價方式啦其實現在續約都已經完成\n那而且新的住戶滿六年以後新的住戶都住進去我們一樣滿租率到九成多那也跟各位也跟委員報告就是說我們的分級制度其實現在幾乎大概各都都已經跟我們都是一致的這部分我們在這個這個禮拜的部會議通過以後就會來發佈那第三個其實中央的社宅已經陸陸續續都完工了那在在新一波的這個招租也在這個月初都已經\n開始進行招租所以中央的這個社宅的政策不會打折而且會陸陸續續在這幾年快速的呈現我們每年大概都會有4000戶到7000戶的速度呈現出來那所以這個也請各位也請委員還有\n社會各界都不用擔心中央在這方面的速度會很快而且比地方速度快速度很快我們實際場刊就覺得沒有像你說的那麼快了因為時間的關係我們看到的是土地現在都沒有你說租戶又可以達成所以你把這些資料給我因為我們場刊就看到就是\n很慢都還沒有蓋好但是呢你們就是說八年後就十三萬戶蔡英文沒有做到賴總統跟我們報告我們陸陸續續都會開始出來所以我們希望\n當前的政府不是照顧啦是卸責中央削減的補助卻要求地方資助砍責任這個雙標我們就看得很清楚希望你真的剛才你講的落實住進補貼看似是擴大但是轉嫁\n給地方的財政所以結果我們年輕無法地方無錢政策能不能只是要寫稿而已我們是要落實落實不要是寫稿或者用逛的所以財政法不能成為就是我們推責任的藉口讓我們的行政部門要回去討論要去檢討\n如何不要再砍錢要逼錢所以剛才我講的不要就是做差劃兩差不能怕人或叫人人民富有國家才希望人們要的是我們負責的責任不是甩鍋的中央所以希望\n真的 你要去把錢趕快給地方地方才能給我們年輕人讓我們的台灣真正的落實經濟謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝苗栗真委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.401 --> 00:09.886\n謝主席有請署長署長有請文豪\n\n00:18.556 --> 00:42.567\n署長好我們行政院在今年大到統三地方一般性補助款636億元讓許多地方財政困境首長聯合陳情當現在國土府卻轉頭要求地方勇於承擔租金補助的責任\n\n00:43.487 --> 00:59.808\n但是呢就算依据财政收支花分法的新法的地方自治事项的精神所以请教一下地方没钱是中央砍的中央又叫地方\n\n01:00.689 --> 01:03.952\n製草經費,請問這個是不是一邊砍錢,就一邊要逼大家來出錢做賊,賊的賊,賊人的賊救人沒有啦,台灣部局因為頭錢是都凍結的部分凍結的部分也是,我們立法院這邊凍結的部分,我們只好先暫停\n\n01:22.110 --> 01:35.002\n先暫停先控制一些行動但是現在我們另外一年我們現在解凍的部分有出來了我們也是須要有同體電影政府完喻的一些相關的步驟我們就照樣再申請所以並不說像委員說的我一邊又不讓他申請一邊又要求他申請不是這樣我們剛才說的那是\n\n01:44.109 --> 01:54.114\n所以我們如果是財化法新法要要釋憲中央要急著拿它來當借口來卸責你看6月16號在講這要給委員報告因為這是我們地方政府\n\n01:58.636 --> 02:10.125\n我們電影政府六島裡面有五島的審判單位比較前面來說希望我們出一個公文如果他們的主席單位沒辦法照這個部分來編所以那時候我們這裡的台北的雜誌比較快發出來說後面有一個禁錮但是呢確實全部都要等最好我們主席總署這邊所提供的這個收支花分的這個項目\n\n02:22.274 --> 02:26.977\n最好再來做處理所以當然是這個原因並不是說我們這次就需要求他一定要馬上就這樣做所以我們要讓委員了解是啊是啊他當然是確定要解釋說解釋說這個所以跟委員報告我們當然是在這個解釋地方政府也是認為說如果開始這個\n\n02:45.488 --> 02:55.375\n這個新的修繕化文化出來之後當然地方要來探討中央公社的分擔比例的部分他們也要等這85年的屋剩要變的時候他們就要提早來塑膠這件事所以過程中就是大家在行政作業上都要先塑膠美妮的屋剩之後變了的時候大家互相來做一個因應跟這個調配的工作我想這份要給委員做一個順序現在不是跟我們說的不是要跟大家說的因為\n\n03:14.309 --> 03:17.192\n我們地方的首長大家都要求你討論所以我們想說這個部分就希望說我們要去討論因為地方的錢地方自治\n\n03:32.845 --> 03:38.753\n地方的稅務啊地方要直接給地方嗎這個就是一個觀念嘛地方的稅務地方的錢要繳回國庫對不對我們這邊要怎麼樣在地方來去溝通\n\n03:51.508 --> 03:53.509\n不可以說今天我們捏的錢也是地方的政府來去幫我們把關跟我們收稅還有地方的一些企業來去找中央我們中央才有這個錢對不對不可以說\n\n04:10.274 --> 04:15.197\n這中央我們砍的是中央該花的錢我們沒有砍地方不可以說你拿地方來開刀我們主要的目的就是死亡你這樣做我要感謝委員因為確信一百一十一年進行原地就是中央跟地方大家都有一些分配平均是中央75%地方25%這樣分配\n\n04:34.468 --> 04:58.973\n當然一百十一年到一百十四年呢當然是因為我們當時的行政考慮到我們的稅積剩餘有比較多所以希望改造中央來轉押負擔但是現在因為財化法中心分配之後還是中央會經營的減少所以我們是希望恢復到一百十一年進行原地中央跟地方的全部屋都隨人有分配第二就是說\n\n05:00.554 --> 05:19.267\n這絕對不是中央請地方來負責的這個概念因為在這個所有的審查規定當中地方政府是負責審查跟協定中央是做調查所以有一些手段可能不瞭解實際的情形很難去證明所以會跟他說這都中央在處理的不是事實現在是地方在審查中央來負責調查而已好我聽話但是你大家都是要\n\n05:28.054 --> 05:38.498\n你說這樣就是...所以本來台商鋒都有一個...所以我們要再問第二題,過去中央因為你剛才講的,我們是知道說你有在處理,有在做事情我們認同啦,你還好好做\n\n05:51.582 --> 05:56.906\n中央跟地方合作我們國家才會興旺第二個我要去問的是說我們韓澤租金補貼補給就是擴大成效要提升但是我們就是因為大家都會擔心聽你說完後但是大家擔心說財政壓力說就是\n\n06:13.757 --> 06:19.640\n地方自治但是我們中央的政策也不能說讓地方這樣子去買單也不能說因為我們的政策要求是300億來去補助我們地方但是地方現在要求的變略所以我們希望說我們中央要勇於\n\n06:34.349 --> 06:35.751\n承擔要負責啦這個不是一個政策未定是推責任的問題還有我們公開講的就是說不是突擊但是看到地方就是砍錢我們也覺得說\n\n06:49.486 --> 06:51.127\n還遠遠高於租金的補貼的承擔的額度啦中央怎麼樣當作就是視而不見呢我們希望就是如果我們中央不想發就是要講清楚如果要發就是要\n\n07:04.517 --> 07:08.041\n要補助諸夫補助的,就是要讓我們年輕人,他們就是有願意這樣子去做,不能說的,說的這麼做,都沒有人有感受到,所以變成這樣子的話,人家會說\n\n07:21.537 --> 07:26.563\n中央就是吹冷氣在說而已地方做到要死年輕人要企業也沒有這樣叫什麼失德了啦所以我們希望說我們財化法明明訂一般補助不得低於七年\n\n07:38.496 --> 07:51.012\n但是我們鎮院卻公然違法刪減補助所以在這個部分我們希望說不要再一直在講說在野黨癱瘓預算我們的國土署這樣一方面就是財化法\n\n07:56.639 --> 08:12.712\n自救我們這邊又要三這樣子的話去沉默所以我們要有正當性的像你剛才說的我們就是要理性治國正當性的互相來去討論不要每一件事情都是上電視\n\n08:15.934 --> 08:21.198\n來跟你們聊天跟你們說年輕人的租金補貼我想我們大家都有共識我們這個租金補貼的這個中央不可以減我想這是大家都共識的大問題我們也不會去俗話說要去減少這個補貼的這個部分好將會實施嘛你一定會把就是中央的費用一定給地方中央的衝擊的部分我想我們都會跟\n\n08:41.693 --> 08:52.201\n在今年年初其實都已經有跟地方政府談到可能會有這個現象了所以現在所以你們中央的經費一定給地方讓地方來去付給我們年輕人是這樣子嗎其實本來在補貼的部分一定會照這樣的方式繼續來執行但是呢因為受限財化法中央的確現在未來財源也可能會不足所以才會提早跟地方政府來討論所以我們才說你雙標嘛這樣子說這個財化法\n\n09:06.611 --> 09:09.475\n又說要釋憲這邊又說柴化房到底要不要給嘛就是給他通過再給錢才說嘛不能就是說所以我才說就是做柴要把柴\n\n09:24.414 --> 09:26.615\n我們現在要的就是大家都說年輕人現在願意工作願意在外工作為了打拚所以我們希望真真的去補助我們年輕人\n\n09:54.794 --> 10:17.941\n租宅的部分也是一样租金我们也希望租房子都有问题了不要说在结婚生子现在呢租宅法也是一样我们租宅法依据我们的租宅法我们的修法报告政府说14年到\n\n10:19.941 --> 10:25.164\n21年預算,預計就是新建13萬戶的社會住宅但是截止114年的盤點出業,就是9.4萬戶的土地而已所以還有經3.6萬戶的土地\n\n10:41.193 --> 10:41.633\n所以更令人擔憂的是說行政院節省經費\n\n11:11.073 --> 11:17.578\n是否代表我們政府繼續繼續騙年輕人讓我們年輕人又住不起等於就是沒有活路啦所以我們希望就是說我們中央這邊規劃住宅租金是否有真正的反應\n\n11:28.847 --> 11:31.509\n真真的讓我們是真的我們不要倚仗你看啊我們就是倚仗的%數但是我們年輕人一個月只有三萬塊倚仗的%數要怎麼倒下去\n\n11:46.180 --> 11:58.032\n所以我們希望真正的負擔不是你們的定價而是平價的租宅才真正的解決我想委員大家有看到我們林口社宅的這個定價方式啦其實現在續約都已經完成\n\n12:00.074 --> 12:26.619\n那而且新的住戶滿六年以後新的住戶都住進去我們一樣滿租率到九成多那也跟各位也跟委員報告就是說我們的分級制度其實現在幾乎大概各都都已經跟我們都是一致的這部分我們在這個這個禮拜的部會議通過以後就會來發佈那第三個其實中央的社宅已經陸陸續續都完工了那在在新一波的這個招租也在這個月初都已經\n\n12:27.499 --> 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