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00:01:18,221\n目前基本上福氣算嗎委員我可不可以回答可以可以可以委員早根據原來的三期計劃是2023就是兩年前對因為我想中間有發生過這COVID-19的事情沒錯很多原物料所以說蔡總統的這個當初所期望的現在是完全是跳票的\n\n5\n00:01:19,149 --> 00:01:29,539\n因為有一些不可抗力因素再加上我們福威八號中間有一度就是設計上有構改有我知道因為那時候第九屆的時候其實我們都有關切這個問題今年會第一顆十月會所以十年之內從2019我們現在目前為止才要發射第一顆就對了\n\n6\n00:01:38,507 --> 00:02:04,616\n因为就这些资料显示嘛你们除了这个B5G通讯实验这个研制之外有完成一些但是呢这些立方卫星只是服务8号9号的一个部分元件的一个建立的验证嘛所以距离可以正式发射根本就还是非常遥远的所以说我刚刚特别提到跳票但是你刚刚提到有非常多的缘故那如果说是10月才要发射第一颗的话那\n\n7\n00:02:05,436 --> 00:02:12,908\n主委你是不是可以幫忙掛保證這個幫賴總統掛保證每年都可以如期發射一顆衛星有沒有辦法\n\n8\n00:02:15,376 --> 00:02:41,330\n每一年發射一顆衛星有沒有辦法我們一定會盡量的照計劃的規劃去沒有啊你們現在計劃其實跟當初所做的計劃其實是落差蠻大的我說實在的所以你光是說你要照計劃可是計劃還是趕不上變化那最主要是以身為立法委員當然需要監督我們這樣的一個角色嘛那賴政府基本上希望把這個計劃拉到2031年那預算加碼要超過650億喔所以說呢\n\n9\n00:02:44,432 --> 00:02:45,495\n這個650億是確定的嗎那個我們已經6月13號已經送到行政院了所以是650億\n\n10\n00:02:54,998 --> 00:03:16,705\n我们送上去的时候是650亿啊是啊所以这就是我们所要提到的蔡总统时候你已经是跳票那我们现在只要任何能够帮助我们能够上去的卫星我们绝对的支持但是这个绩效跟你所需要花的钱我觉得这个还是有非常大的一个落差没错吧这还是有很大的一个落差所以说你看吧\n\n11\n00:03:17,245 --> 00:03:29,193\n你看像目前來說的話都還是沒有順利執行而且很多大幅的延宕那你現在不斷的增加新的計畫不斷增加新的預算所以我們真的要問你太空中心真的做得來嗎\n\n12\n00:03:31,893 --> 00:03:56,486\n跟委員報告就是會從400億變成651億其實有一些新的任務這邊包含了太空發射的場域等等至於計劃執行的部分我請吳主任我還是要問一下執行到底出了什麼問題台視你們原本的衛星產業的發展策略就出現了一個問題而且最重要是你國科會還跟民間的廠商來做一些合作要再研製4顆的低軌通訊衛星\n\n13\n00:03:58,767 --> 00:04:18,671\n那如果照這個規劃你應該在118年就要發射了那請問這四顆衛星的發射期程是否也會受到影響基本上跟這個沒有關係還是如期進行我跟委員報告一下剛剛已經特別強調過了會延宕是因為這個COVID-19這是沒辦法全世界都因為物料\n\n14\n00:04:19,472 --> 00:04:39,745\n還有缺工第二個是這個今年像這邊寫的火箭這個第一顆伏八十月這個還沒到因為大概是七月八月我們會舉行這個PSR沒關係十月我還在我們就來看看來解釋我們來解釋到時候真的已經等很久了然後明年的第二顆現在在我們的廠房裡面已經大概整個裝起來了如期在舉行\n\n15\n00:04:42,166 --> 00:04:59,381\n我只是要提醒我们要花六百五十亿你要让立法委员通过这样的一个预算的话你要拿出绩效来COVID已经距离一段时间了我们给予你们努力肯定但是我还是认为这个期程你真的不能差距太大否则让总统挂的保证给这么多钱这其实有点落差了好不好\n\n16\n00:05:00,402 --> 00:05:23,612\n那当然我们要看到这个有关于人才的培育嘛对不对你既然计划延宕了但是呢新的计划要不断进来那我们的人力到底充不充足我们先来检视一下嘛正如我刚刚所提到嘛改制的行政法人预算越增越大缺二越来越多113年缺二16114年缺二48而且呢这些都是来自研发单位的特别是研究人员技术人员\n\n17\n00:05:24,452 --> 00:05:38,468\n兩年沒有補滿甚至連工程人員今年都出現大的缺口這麼有產業這麼棒的一個未來前瞻世界都要的人才我們為什麼你們都填不滿包括委員這邊這個數字可能有一點稍微\n\n18\n00:05:39,329 --> 00:05:46,613\n這是我根據你們的數字給的那就再給我一個新的數字好不好因為他去年入職但是你們人力的缺口還是有嘛對不對我不管我這個數字雖然我這個數字可能沒有update但是這個數字上面你們要給我一個正確的但是我還是要問你看你現在分別開設的這個太空科技跟工程還有太空科技為學程然後你跟姚明交大等等學校\n\n19\n00:06:04,542 --> 00:06:33,174\n研究那副主委你认为这样的量体够不够这样人才的量体够不够而且你们到底有没有掌握学生未来的毕业动向开了这么多的学程然后呢到底这些学生的毕业动向是不是学用合一还是等等我觉得这个都跟我们当初所讨论的合共人才都是一样的而且呢我们有很多时候学者也提到了目前所新增的四间研究所各校是分工完全不明确所以你说让大家投入太空的系统科学\n\n20\n00:06:33,874 --> 00:06:57,794\n恐怕难以聚焦方向了必须要做出很多的差异化这些都是我们在检视人才培育当中其实遇到一个很大的一个盲点所以我觉得这都是要彼此要互相搭配来做这样处理的而且我最后一个那个招委最后真的30秒时间你看我们抛开这个时间学士四万五硕士五万七博士八万七后续再加上年资等等说实在的\n\n21\n00:06:59,375 --> 00:07:27,109\n要投入这么多的人力然后跟我们这个科学园区的薪资条件起来其实没有太大的优势而且说实在你们这个领域是蛮专业的所以你要这些学生这些人才的培育能够配合他们未来的职业的发展我觉得这里面甚至需要有非常多的嫁接非常多的沟通那这个部分可能需要你们来做一个处理好最后十秒钟我还是为高雄请命我说实在的很多冰冻的马来人台南的马来人我告诉你高雄最重要了你看\n\n22\n00:07:28,470 --> 00:07:33,391\n每一個東西你調列出來說實在的哪一項不是全國第一螺絲工廠我們的鋼鐵工業等等之類可以考慮一下嗎給我們設在台南高雄才是一個最好的地方啦報告委員其實我們現在跟高雄地區合作至少十家以上這樣喔對對對對然後呢這個部分不是只有十家以上啦你以後的太空中心應該設在這個地方啦\n\n23\n00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:59,538\n知不知道這太空中心這些產業發展這開始這樣靠這樣開的當時真的是最務實的啦台南的專委在這裡我也知道他在台南要檢處啦但是我覺得攤開數字擺過來產業的發展我們鋁鋼經驗的發展各項開始想好了這就副主委你同意吧同意同意同意齁這樣對啦這樣希望未來喔太空中心給我們考慮一下這才是想好的地方啦這樣可以嗎好啦感謝啦謝謝各位\n\n24\n00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:23,554\n好謝謝柯思恩委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5729\t10433\t謝謝莊委我們現在是不是請副主委謝謝好 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