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00:02:03,422\n現在慢慢的在全世界全球都已經興起了沒有固定的工作室或者辦公室就是提了一台電腦就可以在世界各地來做一個工作那針對這一方面的話大概全球上有這樣子工作性質的大概有3500萬人數位慕名\n\n7\n00:02:08,424 --> 00:02:15,287\n主委你知道數位牧民嗎我知道那尤其是在這個1月份的時候你們有提出來這個數位遊民來這個簽證的話遊牧的簽證有半年的時間那現在我們要提的就是說這個半年要提高到兩年的時間能夠吸引他們能夠留在台灣時間會能夠更久能夠幫助我們產業的轉型或者是我們地方的創生等等這些方面\n\n8\n00:02:35,777 --> 00:02:59,393\n我們看到這個數位游牧的簽證這個方式也是我們延攬人才最快速的一個方法但是在這個人才的延攬跟雇用法的第14條裡面特別有提到這個游牧簽證這個數位牧民的造訪台灣的一個方式但是我想請問一下因為你一月份就公布了\n\n9\n00:02:59,773 --> 00:03:27,241\n我快先請問一些數據喔這個1月份到現在6月囉有半年囉如果說1月份就簽證的話到現在半年時間也到了請問主委現在有多少人來辦這個申請這個遊牧簽證的我先跟委員報告我們在國際上有一個網站是讓數位牧民去去公告他分享他現在人在哪個地方是擔任數位牧民那目前這個網站上面大概有3000人在台灣\n\n10\n00:03:28,281 --> 00:03:44,674\n來台灣申請的嗎?不是,他駐機發展我是請問來台灣申請的我跟委員說明錢就很多啊,錢就3千5百萬啊那委員我跟您報告因為當時我們公告的時候法令被沒有修改所以我們現在法令是六個月是嗎?我們的六個月是跟一般的簽證是一樣的你1月1號公告是六個月嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:45,174 --> 00:04:04,215\n那有一些國家的人進來的時候呢這個六個月是利用現有的法令所以有些人過來的時候所以我請問你一月份到現在有多少人申請了對我跟您說明喔他現在過來的時候他本身你沒有數據是不是啊他不用簽他不用申請素人文明簽證就可以有六十天的國家也不算少數這是六十天六個月我講六個月對\n\n12\n00:04:06,858 --> 00:04:12,287\n就六個月一樣它造成它並沒有太好的誘因那所以我們才希望比照臨近的國家那你有數據嗎有人來申請嗎優木簽證\n\n13\n00:04:17,796 --> 00:04:41,632\n主委我一直問你我的辦公室也跟你們要資料你們一直都沒有提供資料是因為這個成效不好還是說你們數字很難看你一直不肯提供出來因為我們在推動的過程中有沒有有人申請嗎問題有沒有人申請因為在推動的過程中有不同的方式可以進來都是達到現在的六個月所以他沒辦法有一個準確的數據但是等我們這個法令如果過\n\n14\n00:04:42,432 --> 00:04:54,387\n那數位牧民就會透過這個來申請各種方式過來都有申請我現在是請問你1月1號公布的遊牧簽證有人來申請嗎有沒有人主委針對我的問題有沒有人來申請委員你應該看有多少人待在台灣那網站上公告出來的是3000人\n\n15\n00:05:00,731 --> 00:05:26,877\n所以我剛剛問你嘛是三千人是來台灣嗎你說不是三千人目前在台灣擔任數位牧民好我就要這個數據嘛三千人所以他們三千人雖然到台灣但是沒有申請游牧簽證你的意思是這樣子嗎他們未必會申請那個游牧簽證他們有別的方式但是就沒有游牧簽證所以你這樣好你這樣政策沒有人去跟你申請因為我們並沒有我們當時是一個過渡型的方案\n\n16\n00:05:27,737 --> 00:05:35,040\n所以我們在決定做的時候還沒有進行這個修法那我們利用這次的修法就會有游牧簽證我們就開始招攬數位牧民進來我們公告就是我們推動數位牧民我們希望吸引數位牧民也跟我們報告\n\n17\n00:05:49,367 --> 00:06:09,812\n我們在台南台東我們都有正式的活動然後跟縣市合作我們也辦超過十場我們在上個禮拜我們也辦了亞洲我們在亞洲的一個數位牧民那我們也跟日本跟韓國都簽了一個互相介紹數位牧民的活動所以這一切都在努力的進行剛剛在你的口中有說到那我希望委員也要能夠支持這樣的活動\n\n18\n00:06:10,592 --> 00:06:34,122\n我非常支持所以我今天才針對這個問題我們擔心著我們國內的人才不足的問題所以我今天請教主委你剛才說郵募簽證郵募簽證我再問你旁邊的人可以提供給主委資料有沒有人來申請郵募簽證我們公告之後有沒有人來申請申請是我們台灣申請郵募簽證主委有沒有提供資料給主委嗎有沒有提供資料給主委主委沒有人來申請一個都沒有\n\n19\n00:06:40,222 --> 00:06:48,305\n我們有來申請但是我們需要再去統計多少人我們需要再去統計可是這個統計數字我跟您有資料戴了多久了你到今天還不知道我們會問你這個問題嗎你資料都被我提供給我們辦公室我們只是要告訴委員這個數字目前是不精準的因為它有不同的管道進來但是我們將來樹為牧民的核准時代\n\n20\n00:06:59,549 --> 00:07:13,987\n他會你們申請的管道來到你朱薇琳剛好講說有各種方式都可以來有廣播的有六十年都可以目前有三千人待在台灣三千個數位牧民待在台灣您可以上網去查\n\n21\n00:07:14,928 --> 00:07:31,153\n那委員請問一下申請簽證比較重要還是待在台灣比較重要?當然待在台灣比較重要啊所以我們應該重視這三簽證怎麼樣讓它可以做得更好所以他們沒有跟你申請遊牧簽證但是它是數位牧民它叫做數位牧民啊你們有給它個名稱叫數位牧民嘛對不對這不是我們給的是規矩通用的\n\n22\n00:07:36,875 --> 00:07:51,162\n沒有人來申請遊牧簽證但是載到台灣數位牧民有三千人是這樣子的意思我們已經在招攬我們辦了十場活動在吸引這些人出來主委不要再跟我辯解了你會後提供我數據\n\n23\n00:07:54,901 --> 00:08:08,960\n會後提供數據好不好你提供給我數據來申請遊牧簽證的人有多少人現在單正你剛才講說有3000名叫數位牧民OK這些數據你都明確給我那我接下來\n\n24\n00:08:12,765 --> 00:08:29,110\n我們跟主委要討論的是我非常重視這個數位這個牧民來到台灣可以協助我們產業的轉型可以協助地方的創生但是我們怎麼樣讓他留下來不要說六個月六十天完畢之後就走人了\n\n25\n00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:46,392\n目前有三千人留在台灣還是他們也可以回到他們的國家也可以去到國外去別的國家去做這個牧民數位牧民在留在台灣目前你怎麼他沒有跟你申請你怎麼知道他就是數位牧民留在台灣有三千人這個數據非常精準\n\n26\n00:08:49,773 --> 00:09:13,361\n然後接下來我要請問主委就是說那你怎麼樣的誘因讓他能夠留在台灣因為他們來到我這邊你看就三千人就好了他們的十一住行能夠幫助台灣的經濟還有幫助台灣的觀光體驗台灣的生活你體驗台灣生活怎麼讓他能夠留下來喜歡台灣留下來幫助我們的產業這才是我們最重要的訴求對不對\n\n27\n00:09:14,341 --> 00:09:38,891\n是不是那現在他們的環境上來到台灣你看他一待就要兩個月60天不是60天就是6個月未來我們修法可能提高提高到兩年的時間他們這些時間留在台灣不可能都住到大飯店裡面去對不對那他們的旅宿的問題跟他們居住的問題就是很重要的在這點上你們有沒有特別優惠跟協助他們的\n\n28\n00:09:39,531 --> 00:09:53,999\n有的我們現在目前已經跟兩個縣市已經在合作就是台南跟台東那台南提供他們共享辦公室那我們在台東共享辦公室他住的問題呢除了共享辦公室以外也會有住宿的優惠那\n\n29\n00:09:54,919 --> 00:10:13,955\n這個之外我們現在提供會建立一個一站式服務的網站那協助他們在串聯地方的資源然後呢建立一個生態環境那另外同時我們也會鼓勵他們跟本地的青年一起合作然後呢成立公司\n\n30\n00:10:14,615 --> 00:10:32,695\n整理公司也可以來申請我們國發基金的天使投資但是我們投資的是本國人所以他必須要跟本國人一起我們希望讓外國人帶動本國人日前我也跟台東縣的縣長我們有碰面參加我們吸引全球數位牧民的活動他親自來台北\n\n31\n00:10:33,155 --> 00:10:40,358\n那我們也討論到怎麼樣協助利用這群人協助台東建立未來的數位產業因為這些都數位人士能夠協助發動建立一個新綠色產業所以我們也有一些採討你也規劃在創新創業100計畫裡面嘛這個部分裡面就可以協助他們除非說這個百萬投資創業的問題但是\n\n32\n00:10:55,385 --> 00:11:24,300\n主委還有一個問題就是說一般你剛剛提到兩個城市嘛台南跟哪裡跟台東台東喔那我們現在是說他們來台灣我們要給他很多的誘因不只是說他們台灣的治安很好或者我們高速的網路覆蓋率也很高還有便捷的交通等等這些都大概都在六都裡面都是在都會區裡面那偏鄉的話怕他們不願意到偏鄉去偏鄉不容易有發展那地方創生的話大部分\n\n33\n00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:46,530\n大部分也都在比較靠近偏鄉的方面所以我們怎麼樣去引導他們可以往我們這個比較地方創生幫助我們年輕人可以來做更好的計畫各位知道台灣最大的優勢就是我們的網路遍及全島都是非常高速他們要願意去我們相較其他幾個國家包括新加坡我們的網速都比較快\n\n34\n00:11:47,430 --> 00:12:13,826\n所以第一個他們就業環境所需要的網路我們是比較容易便捷的再來我們的生活性價比跟我們的環境跟我們的醫療體系都非常具備吸引力所以在國外所以你剛剛講的沒有錯我剛剛提醒你的六都都沒有問題偏鄉方面你要怎麼樣去加強所以很多的政策我們不是一廂情願的沒有辦法提供它更完善的不管是居住環境還是交通的配套台東就不是六都\n\n35\n00:12:14,807 --> 00:12:33,406\n我們跟台東也很積極在合作他就不是六四他現在也有一百多位數位牧民在台東所以我們希望主委在我們數位牧民的這個推動之下我們希望地方創生可以給他們實質的貢獻這樣才真正能幫助我們的年輕人好不好好的謝謝好謝謝謝謝魏揚謝謝呂玉玲委員那我們中午\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13506\t15889\t谢谢主席 请留主委请主委\n23854\t39770\t主委我們今天特別排審要外國專業人才的延攬跟僱用法的修正那尤其是因為面對著少子化跟高齡化的趨勢所以人才有短缺的情形非常的嚴重\n40851\t53655\t那所以我們希望我們在整體國家的經濟方面跟人才的人工智慧方面的發展我們還有半導體等等這些的研發的量能我們需要很多的外國人才進來我們這邊所以我們對人才的協助跟產業的轉型\n59457\t79733\t這就是我們這次針對修法看如果去放寬或者是能夠鬆綁讓人才可以進來的方式不管是他的工作限制啦或者永久的居留或者是社會的保障等等這些層面都是我們努力的方向那尤其是讓他們能夠留在台灣生根這還最重要的所以我們很多的計畫都要\n81915\t102932\t趕快的來做一個規劃讓他們有些誘因可以引導他們能夠進來我們的台灣那可是因為之前有這個新冠疫情的關係讓很多的工作都情態上都有改變那尤其是遠端工作也變成一個常態了那我今天要提的這個人才部分的話是針對於數位這個遊牧的這個風氣\n106275\t123422\t現在慢慢的在全世界全球都已經興起了沒有固定的工作室或者辦公室就是提了一台電腦就可以在世界各地來做一個工作那針對這一方面的話大概全球上有這樣子工作性質的大概有3500萬人數位慕名\n128424\t135287\t主委你知道數位牧民嗎我知道那尤其是在這個1月份的時候你們有提出來這個數位遊民來這個簽證的話遊牧的簽證有半年的時間那現在我們要提的就是說這個半年要提高到兩年的時間能夠吸引他們能夠留在台灣時間會能夠更久能夠幫助我們產業的轉型或者是我們地方的創生等等這些方面\n155777\t179393\t我們看到這個數位游牧的簽證這個方式也是我們延攬人才最快速的一個方法但是在這個人才的延攬跟雇用法的第14條裡面特別有提到這個游牧簽證這個數位牧民的造訪台灣的一個方式但是我想請問一下因為你一月份就公布了\n179773\t207241\t我快先請問一些數據喔這個1月份到現在6月囉有半年囉如果說1月份就簽證的話到現在半年時間也到了請問主委現在有多少人來辦這個申請這個遊牧簽證的我先跟委員報告我們在國際上有一個網站是讓數位牧民去去公告他分享他現在人在哪個地方是 擔任數位牧民那目前這個網站上面大概有3000人在台灣\n208281\t224674\t來台灣申請的嗎?不是,他駐機發展我是請問來台灣申請的我跟委員說明錢就很多啊,錢就3千5百萬啊那委員我跟您報告因為當時我們公告的時候法令被沒有修改所以我們現在法令是六個月是嗎?我們的六個月是跟一般的簽證是一樣的你1月1號公告是六個月嗎?\n225174\t244215\t那有一些國家的人進來的時候呢這個六個月是利用現有的法令所以有些人過來的時候所以我請問你一月份到現在有多少人申請了對 我跟您說明喔他現在過來的時候他本身你沒有數據是不是啊他不用簽他不用申請素人文明簽證就可以有六十天的國家也不算少數這是六十天 六個月 我講六個月對\n246858\t252287\t就六個月一樣 它造成它並沒有太好的誘因那所以我們才希望比照臨近的國家那你有數據嗎 有人來申請嗎 優木簽證\n257796\t281632\t主委我一直問你我的辦公室也跟你們要資料你們一直都沒有提供資料是因為這個成效不好還是說你們數字很難看你一直不肯提供出來因為我們在推動的過程中有沒有 有人申請嗎問題有沒有人申請因為在推動的過程中有不同的方式可以進來都是達到現在的六個月所以他沒辦法有一個準確的數據但是等我們這個法令如果過\n282432\t294387\t那數位牧民就會透過這個來申請各種方式過來都有申請我現在是請問你1月1號公布的遊牧簽證有人來申請嗎有沒有人 主委針對我的問題有沒有人來申請委員你應該看有多少人待在台灣那網站上公告出來的是3000人\n300731\t326877\t所以我剛剛問你嘛 是三千人是來台灣嗎 你說不是三千人目前在台灣擔任數位牧民 好我就要這個數據嘛 三千人所以他們三千人雖然到台灣 但是沒有申請游牧簽證你的意思是這樣子嗎 他們未必會申請那個游牧簽證他們有別的方式 但是就沒有游牧簽證所以你這樣好 你這樣政策沒有人去跟你申請因為我們並沒有 我們當時是一個過渡型的方案\n327737\t335040\t所以我們在決定做的時候還沒有進行這個修法那我們利用這次的修法就會有游牧簽證我們就開始招攬數位牧民進來我們公告就是我們推動數位牧民我們希望吸引數位牧民也跟我們報告\n349367\t369812\t我們在台南台東我們都有正式的活動然後跟縣市合作我們也辦超過十場我們在上個禮拜我們也辦了亞洲我們在亞洲的一個數位牧民那我們也跟日本跟韓國都簽了一個互相介紹數位牧民的活動所以這一切都在努力的進行剛剛在你的口中有說到那我希望委員也要能夠支持這樣的活動\n370592\t394122\t我非常支持 所以我今天才針對這個問題我們擔心著我們國內的人才不足的問題所以我今天請教主委你剛才說郵募簽證郵募簽證我再問你旁邊的人可以提供給主委資料有沒有人來申請郵募簽證我們公告之後有沒有人來申請申請是我們台灣申請郵募簽證主委 有沒有提供資料給主委嗎有沒有提供資料給主委主委沒有人來申請 一個都沒有\n400222\t408305\t我們有來申請 但是我們需要再去統計多少人我們需要再去統計 可是這個統計數字我跟您有資料戴了多久了 你到今天還不知道我們會問你這個問題嗎你資料都被我提供給我們辦公室我們只是要告訴委員 這個數字目前是不精準的因為它有不同的管道進來但是我們將來樹為牧民的核准時代\n419549\t433987\t他會你們申請的管道 來到你朱薇琳剛好講說有各種方式都可以來有廣播的有六十年都可以目前有三千人待在台灣三千個數位牧民待在台灣您可以上網去查\n434928\t451153\t那委員請問一下 申請簽證比較重要還是待在台灣比較重要?當然待在台灣比較重要啊所以我們應該重視這三簽證 怎麼樣讓它可以做得更好所以他們沒有跟你申請遊牧簽證 但是它是數位牧民它叫做數位牧民啊你們有給它個名稱叫數位牧民嘛 對不對這不是我們給的 是規矩通用的\n456875\t471162\t沒有人來申請遊牧簽證但是載到台灣數位牧民有三千人是這樣子的意思我們已經在招攬我們辦了十場活動在吸引這些人出來主委不要再跟我辯解了你會後提供我數據\n474901\t488960\t會後提供數據好不好你提供給我數據來申請遊牧簽證的人有多少人現在單正你剛才講說有3000名叫數位牧民OK這些數據你都明確給我那我接下來\n492765\t509110\t我們跟主委要討論的是我非常重視這個數位這個牧民來到台灣可以協助我們產業的轉型可以協助地方的創生但是我們怎麼樣讓他留下來不要說六個月六十天完畢之後就走人了\n510205\t526392\t目前有三千人留在台灣 還是他們也可以回到他們的國家也可以去到國外去 別的國家去做這個牧民 數位牧民在留在台灣 目前你怎麼 他沒有跟你申請你怎麼知道他就是數位牧民 留在台灣有三千人這個數據非常精準\n529773\t553361\t然後接下來我要請問主委就是說那你怎麼樣的誘因讓他能夠留在台灣因為他們來到我這邊你看就三千人就好了他們的十一住行能夠幫助台灣的經濟還有幫助台灣的觀光體驗台灣的生活你體驗台灣生活怎麼讓他能夠留下來喜歡台灣留下來幫助我們的產業這才是我們最重要的訴求對不對\n554341\t578891\t是不是那現在他們的環境上來到台灣你看他一待就要兩個月60天不是60天就是6個月未來我們修法可能提高提高到兩年的時間他們這些時間留在台灣不可能都住到大飯店裡面去對不對那他們的旅宿的問題跟他們居住的問題就是很重要的在這點上你們有沒有特別優惠跟協助他們的\n579531\t593999\t有的我們現在目前已經跟兩個縣市已經在合作就是台南跟台東那台南提供他們共享辦公室那我們在台東共享辦公室他住的問題呢除了共享辦公室以外也會有住宿的優惠那\n594919\t613955\t這個之外我們現在提供會建立一個一站式服務的網站那協助他們在串聯地方的資源然後呢建立一個生態環境那另外同時我們也會鼓勵他們跟本地的青年一起合作然後呢成立公司\n614615\t632695\t整理公司也可以來申請我們國發基金的天使投資但是我們投資的是本國人所以他必須要跟本國人一起我們希望讓外國人帶動本國人日前我也跟台東縣的縣長我們有碰面參加我們吸引全球數位牧民的活動他親自來台北\n633155\t640358\t那我們也討論到怎麼樣協助 利用這群人協助台東建立未來的數位產業因為這些都數位人士能夠協助發動建立一個新綠色產業所以我們也有一些採討你也規劃在創新創業100計畫裡面嘛這個部分裡面就可以協助他們除非說這個百萬投資創業的問題但是\n655385\t684300\t主委還有一個問題就是說一般你剛剛提到兩個城市嘛台南跟哪裡跟台東台東喔那我們現在是說他們來台灣我們要給他很多的誘因不只是說他們台灣的治安很好或者我們高速的網路覆蓋率也很高還有便捷的交通等等這些都大概都在六都裡面都是在都會區裡面那偏鄉的話怕他們不願意到偏鄉去偏鄉不容易有發展那地方創生的話大部分\n685020\t706530\t大部分也都在比較靠近偏鄉的方面所以我們怎麼樣去引導他們可以往我們這個比較地方創生幫助我們年輕人可以來做更好的計畫各位知道台灣最大的優勢就是我們的網路遍及全島都是非常高速他們要願意去我們相較其他幾個國家包括新加坡我們的網速都比較快\n707430\t733826\t所以第一個他們就業環境所需要的網路我們是比較容易便捷的再來我們的生活性價比跟我們的環境跟我們的醫療體系都非常具備吸引力所以在國外所以你剛剛講的沒有錯我剛剛提醒你的六都都沒有問題偏鄉方面你要怎麼樣去加強所以很多的政策我們不是一廂情願的沒有辦法提供它更完善的不管是居住環境還是交通的配套台東就不是六都\n734807\t753406\t我們跟台東也很積極在合作他就不是六四他現在也有一百多位數位牧民在台東所以我們希望 主委在我們數位牧民的這個推動之下我們希望地方創生可以給他們實質的貢獻這樣才真正能幫助我們的年輕人 好不好好的 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝魏揚謝謝呂玉玲委員那我們中午\n","txt":"谢谢主席 请留主委请主委\n主委我們今天特別排審要外國專業人才的延攬跟僱用法的修正那尤其是因為面對著少子化跟高齡化的趨勢所以人才有短缺的情形非常的嚴重\n那所以我們希望我們在整體國家的經濟方面跟人才的人工智慧方面的發展我們還有半導體等等這些的研發的量能我們需要很多的外國人才進來我們這邊所以我們對人才的協助跟產業的轉型\n這就是我們這次針對修法看如果去放寬或者是能夠鬆綁讓人才可以進來的方式不管是他的工作限制啦或者永久的居留或者是社會的保障等等這些層面都是我們努力的方向那尤其是讓他們能夠留在台灣生根這還最重要的所以我們很多的計畫都要\n趕快的來做一個規劃讓他們有些誘因可以引導他們能夠進來我們的台灣那可是因為之前有這個新冠疫情的關係讓很多的工作都情態上都有改變那尤其是遠端工作也變成一個常態了那我今天要提的這個人才部分的話是針對於數位這個遊牧的這個風氣\n現在慢慢的在全世界全球都已經興起了沒有固定的工作室或者辦公室就是提了一台電腦就可以在世界各地來做一個工作那針對這一方面的話大概全球上有這樣子工作性質的大概有3500萬人數位慕名\n主委你知道數位牧民嗎我知道那尤其是在這個1月份的時候你們有提出來這個數位遊民來這個簽證的話遊牧的簽證有半年的時間那現在我們要提的就是說這個半年要提高到兩年的時間能夠吸引他們能夠留在台灣時間會能夠更久能夠幫助我們產業的轉型或者是我們地方的創生等等這些方面\n我們看到這個數位游牧的簽證這個方式也是我們延攬人才最快速的一個方法但是在這個人才的延攬跟雇用法的第14條裡面特別有提到這個游牧簽證這個數位牧民的造訪台灣的一個方式但是我想請問一下因為你一月份就公布了\n我快先請問一些數據喔這個1月份到現在6月囉有半年囉如果說1月份就簽證的話到現在半年時間也到了請問主委現在有多少人來辦這個申請這個遊牧簽證的我先跟委員報告我們在國際上有一個網站是讓數位牧民去去公告他分享他現在人在哪個地方是 擔任數位牧民那目前這個網站上面大概有3000人在台灣\n來台灣申請的嗎?不是,他駐機發展我是請問來台灣申請的我跟委員說明錢就很多啊,錢就3千5百萬啊那委員我跟您報告因為當時我們公告的時候法令被沒有修改所以我們現在法令是六個月是嗎?我們的六個月是跟一般的簽證是一樣的你1月1號公告是六個月嗎?\n那有一些國家的人進來的時候呢這個六個月是利用現有的法令所以有些人過來的時候所以我請問你一月份到現在有多少人申請了對 我跟您說明喔他現在過來的時候他本身你沒有數據是不是啊他不用簽他不用申請素人文明簽證就可以有六十天的國家也不算少數這是六十天 六個月 我講六個月對\n就六個月一樣 它造成它並沒有太好的誘因那所以我們才希望比照臨近的國家那你有數據嗎 有人來申請嗎 優木簽證\n主委我一直問你我的辦公室也跟你們要資料你們一直都沒有提供資料是因為這個成效不好還是說你們數字很難看你一直不肯提供出來因為我們在推動的過程中有沒有 有人申請嗎問題有沒有人申請因為在推動的過程中有不同的方式可以進來都是達到現在的六個月所以他沒辦法有一個準確的數據但是等我們這個法令如果過\n那數位牧民就會透過這個來申請各種方式過來都有申請我現在是請問你1月1號公布的遊牧簽證有人來申請嗎有沒有人 主委針對我的問題有沒有人來申請委員你應該看有多少人待在台灣那網站上公告出來的是3000人\n所以我剛剛問你嘛 是三千人是來台灣嗎 你說不是三千人目前在台灣擔任數位牧民 好我就要這個數據嘛 三千人所以他們三千人雖然到台灣 但是沒有申請游牧簽證你的意思是這樣子嗎 他們未必會申請那個游牧簽證他們有別的方式 但是就沒有游牧簽證所以你這樣好 你這樣政策沒有人去跟你申請因為我們並沒有 我們當時是一個過渡型的方案\n所以我們在決定做的時候還沒有進行這個修法那我們利用這次的修法就會有游牧簽證我們就開始招攬數位牧民進來我們公告就是我們推動數位牧民我們希望吸引數位牧民也跟我們報告\n我們在台南台東我們都有正式的活動然後跟縣市合作我們也辦超過十場我們在上個禮拜我們也辦了亞洲我們在亞洲的一個數位牧民那我們也跟日本跟韓國都簽了一個互相介紹數位牧民的活動所以這一切都在努力的進行剛剛在你的口中有說到那我希望委員也要能夠支持這樣的活動\n我非常支持 所以我今天才針對這個問題我們擔心著我們國內的人才不足的問題所以我今天請教主委你剛才說郵募簽證郵募簽證我再問你旁邊的人可以提供給主委資料有沒有人來申請郵募簽證我們公告之後有沒有人來申請申請是我們台灣申請郵募簽證主委 有沒有提供資料給主委嗎有沒有提供資料給主委主委沒有人來申請 一個都沒有\n我們有來申請 但是我們需要再去統計多少人我們需要再去統計 可是這個統計數字我跟您有資料戴了多久了 你到今天還不知道我們會問你這個問題嗎你資料都被我提供給我們辦公室我們只是要告訴委員 這個數字目前是不精準的因為它有不同的管道進來但是我們將來樹為牧民的核准時代\n他會你們申請的管道 來到你朱薇琳剛好講說有各種方式都可以來有廣播的有六十年都可以目前有三千人待在台灣三千個數位牧民待在台灣您可以上網去查\n那委員請問一下 申請簽證比較重要還是待在台灣比較重要?當然待在台灣比較重要啊所以我們應該重視這三簽證 怎麼樣讓它可以做得更好所以他們沒有跟你申請遊牧簽證 但是它是數位牧民它叫做數位牧民啊你們有給它個名稱叫數位牧民嘛 對不對這不是我們給的 是規矩通用的\n沒有人來申請遊牧簽證但是載到台灣數位牧民有三千人是這樣子的意思我們已經在招攬我們辦了十場活動在吸引這些人出來主委不要再跟我辯解了你會後提供我數據\n會後提供數據好不好你提供給我數據來申請遊牧簽證的人有多少人現在單正你剛才講說有3000名叫數位牧民OK這些數據你都明確給我那我接下來\n我們跟主委要討論的是我非常重視這個數位這個牧民來到台灣可以協助我們產業的轉型可以協助地方的創生但是我們怎麼樣讓他留下來不要說六個月六十天完畢之後就走人了\n目前有三千人留在台灣 還是他們也可以回到他們的國家也可以去到國外去 別的國家去做這個牧民 數位牧民在留在台灣 目前你怎麼 他沒有跟你申請你怎麼知道他就是數位牧民 留在台灣有三千人這個數據非常精準\n然後接下來我要請問主委就是說那你怎麼樣的誘因讓他能夠留在台灣因為他們來到我這邊你看就三千人就好了他們的十一住行能夠幫助台灣的經濟還有幫助台灣的觀光體驗台灣的生活你體驗台灣生活怎麼讓他能夠留下來喜歡台灣留下來幫助我們的產業這才是我們最重要的訴求對不對\n是不是那現在他們的環境上來到台灣你看他一待就要兩個月60天不是60天就是6個月未來我們修法可能提高提高到兩年的時間他們這些時間留在台灣不可能都住到大飯店裡面去對不對那他們的旅宿的問題跟他們居住的問題就是很重要的在這點上你們有沒有特別優惠跟協助他們的\n有的我們現在目前已經跟兩個縣市已經在合作就是台南跟台東那台南提供他們共享辦公室那我們在台東共享辦公室他住的問題呢除了共享辦公室以外也會有住宿的優惠那\n這個之外我們現在提供會建立一個一站式服務的網站那協助他們在串聯地方的資源然後呢建立一個生態環境那另外同時我們也會鼓勵他們跟本地的青年一起合作然後呢成立公司\n整理公司也可以來申請我們國發基金的天使投資但是我們投資的是本國人所以他必須要跟本國人一起我們希望讓外國人帶動本國人日前我也跟台東縣的縣長我們有碰面參加我們吸引全球數位牧民的活動他親自來台北\n那我們也討論到怎麼樣協助 利用這群人協助台東建立未來的數位產業因為這些都數位人士能夠協助發動建立一個新綠色產業所以我們也有一些採討你也規劃在創新創業100計畫裡面嘛這個部分裡面就可以協助他們除非說這個百萬投資創業的問題但是\n主委還有一個問題就是說一般你剛剛提到兩個城市嘛台南跟哪裡跟台東台東喔那我們現在是說他們來台灣我們要給他很多的誘因不只是說他們台灣的治安很好或者我們高速的網路覆蓋率也很高還有便捷的交通等等這些都大概都在六都裡面都是在都會區裡面那偏鄉的話怕他們不願意到偏鄉去偏鄉不容易有發展那地方創生的話大部分\n大部分也都在比較靠近偏鄉的方面所以我們怎麼樣去引導他們可以往我們這個比較地方創生幫助我們年輕人可以來做更好的計畫各位知道台灣最大的優勢就是我們的網路遍及全島都是非常高速他們要願意去我們相較其他幾個國家包括新加坡我們的網速都比較快\n所以第一個他們就業環境所需要的網路我們是比較容易便捷的再來我們的生活性價比跟我們的環境跟我們的醫療體系都非常具備吸引力所以在國外所以你剛剛講的沒有錯我剛剛提醒你的六都都沒有問題偏鄉方面你要怎麼樣去加強所以很多的政策我們不是一廂情願的沒有辦法提供它更完善的不管是居住環境還是交通的配套台東就不是六都\n我們跟台東也很積極在合作他就不是六四他現在也有一百多位數位牧民在台東所以我們希望 主委在我們數位牧民的這個推動之下我們希望地方創生可以給他們實質的貢獻這樣才真正能幫助我們的年輕人 好不好好的 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝魏揚謝謝呂玉玲委員那我們中午\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.506 --> 00:15.889\n谢谢主席请留主委请主委\n\n00:23.854 --> 00:39.770\n主委我們今天特別排審要外國專業人才的延攬跟僱用法的修正那尤其是因為面對著少子化跟高齡化的趨勢所以人才有短缺的情形非常的嚴重\n\n00:40.851 --> 00:53.655\n那所以我們希望我們在整體國家的經濟方面跟人才的人工智慧方面的發展我們還有半導體等等這些的研發的量能我們需要很多的外國人才進來我們這邊所以我們對人才的協助跟產業的轉型\n\n00:59.457 --> 01:19.733\n這就是我們這次針對修法看如果去放寬或者是能夠鬆綁讓人才可以進來的方式不管是他的工作限制啦或者永久的居留或者是社會的保障等等這些層面都是我們努力的方向那尤其是讓他們能夠留在台灣生根這還最重要的所以我們很多的計畫都要\n\n01:21.915 --> 01:42.932\n趕快的來做一個規劃讓他們有些誘因可以引導他們能夠進來我們的台灣那可是因為之前有這個新冠疫情的關係讓很多的工作都情態上都有改變那尤其是遠端工作也變成一個常態了那我今天要提的這個人才部分的話是針對於數位這個遊牧的這個風氣\n\n01:46.275 --> 02:03.422\n現在慢慢的在全世界全球都已經興起了沒有固定的工作室或者辦公室就是提了一台電腦就可以在世界各地來做一個工作那針對這一方面的話大概全球上有這樣子工作性質的大概有3500萬人數位慕名\n\n02:08.424 --> 02:15.287\n主委你知道數位牧民嗎我知道那尤其是在這個1月份的時候你們有提出來這個數位遊民來這個簽證的話遊牧的簽證有半年的時間那現在我們要提的就是說這個半年要提高到兩年的時間能夠吸引他們能夠留在台灣時間會能夠更久能夠幫助我們產業的轉型或者是我們地方的創生等等這些方面\n\n02:35.777 --> 02:59.393\n我們看到這個數位游牧的簽證這個方式也是我們延攬人才最快速的一個方法但是在這個人才的延攬跟雇用法的第14條裡面特別有提到這個游牧簽證這個數位牧民的造訪台灣的一個方式但是我想請問一下因為你一月份就公布了\n\n02:59.773 --> 03:27.241\n我快先請問一些數據喔這個1月份到現在6月囉有半年囉如果說1月份就簽證的話到現在半年時間也到了請問主委現在有多少人來辦這個申請這個遊牧簽證的我先跟委員報告我們在國際上有一個網站是讓數位牧民去去公告他分享他現在人在哪個地方是擔任數位牧民那目前這個網站上面大概有3000人在台灣\n\n03:28.281 --> 03:44.674\n來台灣申請的嗎?不是,他駐機發展我是請問來台灣申請的我跟委員說明錢就很多啊,錢就3千5百萬啊那委員我跟您報告因為當時我們公告的時候法令被沒有修改所以我們現在法令是六個月是嗎?我們的六個月是跟一般的簽證是一樣的你1月1號公告是六個月嗎?\n\n03:45.174 --> 04:04.215\n那有一些國家的人進來的時候呢這個六個月是利用現有的法令所以有些人過來的時候所以我請問你一月份到現在有多少人申請了對我跟您說明喔他現在過來的時候他本身你沒有數據是不是啊他不用簽他不用申請素人文明簽證就可以有六十天的國家也不算少數這是六十天六個月我講六個月對\n\n04:06.858 --> 04:12.287\n就六個月一樣它造成它並沒有太好的誘因那所以我們才希望比照臨近的國家那你有數據嗎有人來申請嗎優木簽證\n\n04:17.796 --> 04:41.632\n主委我一直問你我的辦公室也跟你們要資料你們一直都沒有提供資料是因為這個成效不好還是說你們數字很難看你一直不肯提供出來因為我們在推動的過程中有沒有有人申請嗎問題有沒有人申請因為在推動的過程中有不同的方式可以進來都是達到現在的六個月所以他沒辦法有一個準確的數據但是等我們這個法令如果過\n\n04:42.432 --> 04:54.387\n那數位牧民就會透過這個來申請各種方式過來都有申請我現在是請問你1月1號公布的遊牧簽證有人來申請嗎有沒有人主委針對我的問題有沒有人來申請委員你應該看有多少人待在台灣那網站上公告出來的是3000人\n\n05:00.731 --> 05:26.877\n所以我剛剛問你嘛是三千人是來台灣嗎你說不是三千人目前在台灣擔任數位牧民好我就要這個數據嘛三千人所以他們三千人雖然到台灣但是沒有申請游牧簽證你的意思是這樣子嗎他們未必會申請那個游牧簽證他們有別的方式但是就沒有游牧簽證所以你這樣好你這樣政策沒有人去跟你申請因為我們並沒有我們當時是一個過渡型的方案\n\n05:27.737 --> 05:35.040\n所以我們在決定做的時候還沒有進行這個修法那我們利用這次的修法就會有游牧簽證我們就開始招攬數位牧民進來我們公告就是我們推動數位牧民我們希望吸引數位牧民也跟我們報告\n\n05:49.367 --> 06:09.812\n我們在台南台東我們都有正式的活動然後跟縣市合作我們也辦超過十場我們在上個禮拜我們也辦了亞洲我們在亞洲的一個數位牧民那我們也跟日本跟韓國都簽了一個互相介紹數位牧民的活動所以這一切都在努力的進行剛剛在你的口中有說到那我希望委員也要能夠支持這樣的活動\n\n06:10.592 --> 06:34.122\n我非常支持所以我今天才針對這個問題我們擔心著我們國內的人才不足的問題所以我今天請教主委你剛才說郵募簽證郵募簽證我再問你旁邊的人可以提供給主委資料有沒有人來申請郵募簽證我們公告之後有沒有人來申請申請是我們台灣申請郵募簽證主委有沒有提供資料給主委嗎有沒有提供資料給主委主委沒有人來申請一個都沒有\n\n06:40.222 --> 06:48.305\n我們有來申請但是我們需要再去統計多少人我們需要再去統計可是這個統計數字我跟您有資料戴了多久了你到今天還不知道我們會問你這個問題嗎你資料都被我提供給我們辦公室我們只是要告訴委員這個數字目前是不精準的因為它有不同的管道進來但是我們將來樹為牧民的核准時代\n\n06:59.549 --> 07:13.987\n他會你們申請的管道來到你朱薇琳剛好講說有各種方式都可以來有廣播的有六十年都可以目前有三千人待在台灣三千個數位牧民待在台灣您可以上網去查\n\n07:14.928 --> 07:31.153\n那委員請問一下申請簽證比較重要還是待在台灣比較重要?當然待在台灣比較重要啊所以我們應該重視這三簽證怎麼樣讓它可以做得更好所以他們沒有跟你申請遊牧簽證但是它是數位牧民它叫做數位牧民啊你們有給它個名稱叫數位牧民嘛對不對這不是我們給的是規矩通用的\n\n07:36.875 --> 07:51.162\n沒有人來申請遊牧簽證但是載到台灣數位牧民有三千人是這樣子的意思我們已經在招攬我們辦了十場活動在吸引這些人出來主委不要再跟我辯解了你會後提供我數據\n\n07:54.901 --> 08:08.960\n會後提供數據好不好你提供給我數據來申請遊牧簽證的人有多少人現在單正你剛才講說有3000名叫數位牧民OK這些數據你都明確給我那我接下來\n\n08:12.765 --> 08:29.110\n我們跟主委要討論的是我非常重視這個數位這個牧民來到台灣可以協助我們產業的轉型可以協助地方的創生但是我們怎麼樣讓他留下來不要說六個月六十天完畢之後就走人了\n\n08:30.205 --> 08:46.392\n目前有三千人留在台灣還是他們也可以回到他們的國家也可以去到國外去別的國家去做這個牧民數位牧民在留在台灣目前你怎麼他沒有跟你申請你怎麼知道他就是數位牧民留在台灣有三千人這個數據非常精準\n\n08:49.773 --> 09:13.361\n然後接下來我要請問主委就是說那你怎麼樣的誘因讓他能夠留在台灣因為他們來到我這邊你看就三千人就好了他們的十一住行能夠幫助台灣的經濟還有幫助台灣的觀光體驗台灣的生活你體驗台灣生活怎麼讓他能夠留下來喜歡台灣留下來幫助我們的產業這才是我們最重要的訴求對不對\n\n09:14.341 --> 09:38.891\n是不是那現在他們的環境上來到台灣你看他一待就要兩個月60天不是60天就是6個月未來我們修法可能提高提高到兩年的時間他們這些時間留在台灣不可能都住到大飯店裡面去對不對那他們的旅宿的問題跟他們居住的問題就是很重要的在這點上你們有沒有特別優惠跟協助他們的\n\n09:39.531 --> 09:53.999\n有的我們現在目前已經跟兩個縣市已經在合作就是台南跟台東那台南提供他們共享辦公室那我們在台東共享辦公室他住的問題呢除了共享辦公室以外也會有住宿的優惠那\n\n09:54.919 --> 10:13.955\n這個之外我們現在提供會建立一個一站式服務的網站那協助他們在串聯地方的資源然後呢建立一個生態環境那另外同時我們也會鼓勵他們跟本地的青年一起合作然後呢成立公司\n\n10:14.615 --> 10:32.695\n整理公司也可以來申請我們國發基金的天使投資但是我們投資的是本國人所以他必須要跟本國人一起我們希望讓外國人帶動本國人日前我也跟台東縣的縣長我們有碰面參加我們吸引全球數位牧民的活動他親自來台北\n\n10:33.155 --> 10:40.358\n那我們也討論到怎麼樣協助利用這群人協助台東建立未來的數位產業因為這些都數位人士能夠協助發動建立一個新綠色產業所以我們也有一些採討你也規劃在創新創業100計畫裡面嘛這個部分裡面就可以協助他們除非說這個百萬投資創業的問題但是\n\n10:55.385 --> 11:24.300\n主委還有一個問題就是說一般你剛剛提到兩個城市嘛台南跟哪裡跟台東台東喔那我們現在是說他們來台灣我們要給他很多的誘因不只是說他們台灣的治安很好或者我們高速的網路覆蓋率也很高還有便捷的交通等等這些都大概都在六都裡面都是在都會區裡面那偏鄉的話怕他們不願意到偏鄉去偏鄉不容易有發展那地方創生的話大部分\n\n11:25.020 --> 11:46.530\n大部分也都在比較靠近偏鄉的方面所以我們怎麼樣去引導他們可以往我們這個比較地方創生幫助我們年輕人可以來做更好的計畫各位知道台灣最大的優勢就是我們的網路遍及全島都是非常高速他們要願意去我們相較其他幾個國家包括新加坡我們的網速都比較快\n\n11:47.430 --> 12:13.826\n所以第一個他們就業環境所需要的網路我們是比較容易便捷的再來我們的生活性價比跟我們的環境跟我們的醫療體系都非常具備吸引力所以在國外所以你剛剛講的沒有錯我剛剛提醒你的六都都沒有問題偏鄉方面你要怎麼樣去加強所以很多的政策我們不是一廂情願的沒有辦法提供它更完善的不管是居住環境還是交通的配套台東就不是六都\n\n12:14.807 --> 12:33.406\n我們跟台東也很積極在合作他就不是六四他現在也有一百多位數位牧民在台東所以我們希望主委在我們數位牧民的這個推動之下我們希望地方創生可以給他們實質的貢獻這樣才真正能幫助我們的年輕人好不好好的謝謝好謝謝謝謝魏揚謝謝呂玉玲委員那我們中午\n\n","segments":[{"start":13.506,"end":15.889,"text":"谢谢主席 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是規矩通用的"},{"start":456.875,"end":471.162,"text":"沒有人來申請遊牧簽證但是載到台灣數位牧民有三千人是這樣子的意思我們已經在招攬我們辦了十場活動在吸引這些人出來主委不要再跟我辯解了你會後提供我數據"},{"start":474.901,"end":488.96,"text":"會後提供數據好不好你提供給我數據來申請遊牧簽證的人有多少人現在單正你剛才講說有3000名叫數位牧民OK這些數據你都明確給我那我接下來"},{"start":492.765,"end":509.11,"text":"我們跟主委要討論的是我非常重視這個數位這個牧民來到台灣可以協助我們產業的轉型可以協助地方的創生但是我們怎麼樣讓他留下來不要說六個月六十天完畢之後就走人了"},{"start":510.205,"end":526.392,"text":"目前有三千人留在台灣 還是他們也可以回到他們的國家也可以去到國外去 別的國家去做這個牧民 數位牧民在留在台灣 目前你怎麼 他沒有跟你申請你怎麼知道他就是數位牧民 留在台灣有三千人這個數據非常精準"},{"start":529.773,"end":553.361,"text":"然後接下來我要請問主委就是說那你怎麼樣的誘因讓他能夠留在台灣因為他們來到我這邊你看就三千人就好了他們的十一住行能夠幫助台灣的經濟還有幫助台灣的觀光體驗台灣的生活你體驗台灣生活怎麼讓他能夠留下來喜歡台灣留下來幫助我們的產業這才是我們最重要的訴求對不對"},{"start":554.341,"end":578.891,"text":"是不是那現在他們的環境上來到台灣你看他一待就要兩個月60天不是60天就是6個月未來我們修法可能提高提高到兩年的時間他們這些時間留在台灣不可能都住到大飯店裡面去對不對那他們的旅宿的問題跟他們居住的問題就是很重要的在這點上你們有沒有特別優惠跟協助他們的"},{"start":579.531,"end":593.999,"text":"有的我們現在目前已經跟兩個縣市已經在合作就是台南跟台東那台南提供他們共享辦公室那我們在台東共享辦公室他住的問題呢除了共享辦公室以外也會有住宿的優惠那"},{"start":594.919,"end":613.955,"text":"這個之外我們現在提供會建立一個一站式服務的網站那協助他們在串聯地方的資源然後呢建立一個生態環境那另外同時我們也會鼓勵他們跟本地的青年一起合作然後呢成立公司"},{"start":614.615,"end":632.695,"text":"整理公司也可以來申請我們國發基金的天使投資但是我們投資的是本國人所以他必須要跟本國人一起我們希望讓外國人帶動本國人日前我也跟台東縣的縣長我們有碰面參加我們吸引全球數位牧民的活動他親自來台北"},{"start":633.155,"end":640.358,"text":"那我們也討論到怎麼樣協助 利用這群人協助台東建立未來的數位產業因為這些都數位人士能夠協助發動建立一個新綠色產業所以我們也有一些採討你也規劃在創新創業100計畫裡面嘛這個部分裡面就可以協助他們除非說這個百萬投資創業的問題但是"},{"start":655.385,"end":684.3,"text":"主委還有一個問題就是說一般你剛剛提到兩個城市嘛台南跟哪裡跟台東台東喔那我們現在是說他們來台灣我們要給他很多的誘因不只是說他們台灣的治安很好或者我們高速的網路覆蓋率也很高還有便捷的交通等等這些都大概都在六都裡面都是在都會區裡面那偏鄉的話怕他們不願意到偏鄉去偏鄉不容易有發展那地方創生的話大部分"},{"start":685.02,"end":706.53,"text":"大部分也都在比較靠近偏鄉的方面所以我們怎麼樣去引導他們可以往我們這個比較地方創生幫助我們年輕人可以來做更好的計畫各位知道台灣最大的優勢就是我們的網路遍及全島都是非常高速他們要願意去我們相較其他幾個國家包括新加坡我們的網速都比較快"},{"start":707.43,"end":733.826,"text":"所以第一個他們就業環境所需要的網路我們是比較容易便捷的再來我們的生活性價比跟我們的環境跟我們的醫療體系都非常具備吸引力所以在國外所以你剛剛講的沒有錯我剛剛提醒你的六都都沒有問題偏鄉方面你要怎麼樣去加強所以很多的政策我們不是一廂情願的沒有辦法提供它更完善的不管是居住環境還是交通的配套台東就不是六都"},{"start":734.807,"end":753.406,"text":"我們跟台東也很積極在合作他就不是六四他現在也有一百多位數位牧民在台東所以我們希望 主委在我們數位牧民的這個推動之下我們希望地方創生可以給他們實質的貢獻這樣才真正能幫助我們的年輕人 好不好好的 謝謝好 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