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00:01:32,874\n第一項又細分成A01到A15可是現在有很多新興的產業比如說台灣的酒吧文化就很盛行我們甚至有許多酒吧是亞洲前50名的所以假使我們要讓很有名的調酒師來表演或是工作或是授課薪水超過15萬\n\n5\n00:01:35,575 --> 00:01:51,993\n目前我们遇到实际的陈情难就是被卡被卡了好几个月因为他没有办法同时被劳动部认定又被你认定我知道国发会主委您的利益非常的良好那你也特别把你的九大项目\n\n6\n00:01:53,495 --> 00:02:09,274\n弄得非常的有彈性可是你第一關就是卡在勞動部的時候就沒有辦法這個就是上次我們處理的案例最後他必須要用列舉的方法才可以讓他符合專門性或者是技術的工作因為當時勞動部的主管\n\n7\n00:02:11,457 --> 00:02:26,787\n他就他的工作內容他沒有辦法實際去判定他到底算不算是他的主管機關因為他可能有教學也有表演是歸文化部還是歸衛福部等等這一點您未來會遇到越來越多不知道您現在是不是有解決的方案\n\n8\n00:02:29,220 --> 00:02:43,060\n我們目前是在我們的第四條的第二款裡面我們有認定這些領域之外有一個極其他領域的特殊專才那這個極其他就具備一個可檢討的彈性\n\n9\n00:02:45,202 --> 00:03:04,215\n我認為也許可以善用這一點來解決委員所提到的未來會有很多新興產業的產生那這個產生的確會跑出來非常多尤其是大數據產生很多新的職業我們都希望能夠利用這個來做一個彈性的解釋讓他可以盡早的適應\n\n10\n00:03:04,935 --> 00:03:10,459\n好我只是想跟主委報告您這邊保持彈性但是前面的救福法那邊假使沒有保持彈性還是會遇到很多問題等一下我舉他們後來是用怎麼樣的方法來處理可是這個處理的方法行不通你只會一直重複在做同樣的事情\n\n11\n00:03:23,627 --> 00:03:38,477\n這是另外一個案例這個案例是國外很優秀的主廚及老師來台要開班授課結果也是因為舊輔法卡住了這個框架卡住了我們沒有相對應的專業工作類別因此他先開了課結果他卻沒有辦法依照他原本所開課的時間來做教學\n\n12\n00:03:48,183 --> 00:03:58,330\n我覺得你要做的是當然你也同意有很多的新興業別但是他就找不到他的主管習慣去快速審核讓勞動部來放寬所以你看最後這些案例最後都是得靠幾個月這樣子磨磨磨跟勞動部磨然後他們必須要含釋那再把它一一列入這個是不是有專門技術性所以我剛講他就列了一二三四\n\n13\n00:04:18,263 --> 00:04:37,194\n但未來呢數位轉型新型態的產業企業發展發展模式都會不斷的推陳出新這些產業出來的速度比不上我們修法的速度所以你是不是要怎麼樣來跟勞動部來做協調才會更有效率呢對這個\n\n14\n00:04:39,339 --> 00:04:58,202\n這個部分我想我們來跟勞動部做一個協調然後來看看有沒有什麼比較更快速的方法因為照原來就我的認知我們現在已經有授權勞動部可以直接彈性的認定但是看起來在認定過程中會產生委員所提的這些耗時間的事情對\n\n15\n00:04:58,843 --> 00:05:17,896\n那是不是讓我們來找勞動部大家一起來看一下怎麼樣將來再制定一個方式讓未來再認定新興工作的時候能夠有一個比較聚效率的一個方案好謝謝主委可以在一個月內跟您要這個您跟勞動部討論出來的報告嗎可以可以好謝謝\n\n16\n00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:37,284\n下一個也是我很關注的一題你也知道上次總質詢我問了行政院院長還有國發會當天好像是副主委今年呢一到五月每一個月都是八千九千這個您知道嗎我知道但\n\n17\n00:05:38,605 --> 00:06:00,580\n卻在去年的人口推估系統你每隔龍年就是一個高峰每隔龍年就是一個高峰後來破功所以這是你們重畫出來的圖可是你們重畫的圖是很難說服許多婦產科小兒科醫師的你後來重畫的圖是每隔幾年就加一個生育率0.01最後一路加到1一路延伸到2070年\n\n18\n00:06:04,602 --> 00:06:29,557\n這個東西假使我們學生拿來做報告的話一定會相當的失真當天國發會副主委還有行政院院長說你們知道1到5月的生育率很低所以你們現在要推出一個13萬新生兒保衛戰但沒有講到策略那我問說為什麼他說因為依照往年來看6到12月都會出生的嬰兒數比較高您覺得呢\n\n19\n00:06:34,432 --> 00:06:54,984\n現在是就我了解我們現在是陳時中陳政委有找跨部會在訂定一個115年到118年的四年少子化的策略那重新研議希望能夠刺激這個新生兒的比率那目前這個草案在會各部會回饋意見中\n\n20\n00:06:58,485 --> 00:07:14,212\n那我們也有參與到裡面的意見所以我們也有提到一些建議出來那我們希望能夠更加的刺激這個生育的但是你覺得你有信心今年到13萬嗎\n\n21\n00:07:16,092 --> 00:07:38,588\n今年會有一點辛苦啦但是總得來努力沒有說不會到但是總要來努力上次你們是說因為往年下半年出生率會比較高我告訴你一個實際的做法真的非常簡單其實你只要去查目前正在懷孕的人多少你很快就可以算出你今年可不可以到13萬保衛戰\n\n22\n00:07:41,149 --> 00:07:48,694\n這非常的簡單怎麼還會用感覺的或者是用往年的數據下一張這個是你們所做的人口推估未來生育趨勢專家調查你找了10位專家然後去做了一個模型但是怎麼看我們都覺得現在生育率一直是0.80.7你卻把自己的高推估設在1.3不覺得非常的\n\n23\n00:08:09,281 --> 00:08:20,610\n不符合我們的常理嗎這個本來就是一般來講是中推估高推估低推估那如果您看我們的低推估0.8其實是\n\n24\n00:08:22,819 --> 00:08:40,546\n低退估0.8%已經是我們這幾年來的平均數據也是有抓到整個的趨勢那它本來所有的退估一定會有樂觀跟不樂觀狀態主委如果你有興趣的話我可以推薦你一些做AI的人才其實有許多人從我們過去的人口分析\n\n25\n00:08:41,246 --> 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0.7你卻把自己的高推估設在1.3不覺得非常的\n489281\t500610\t不符合我們的常理嗎這個本來就是一般來講是中推估高推估低推估那如果您看我們的低推估0.8其實是\n502819\t520546\t低退估0.8%已經是我們這幾年來的平均數據也是有抓到整個的趨勢那它本來所有的退估一定會有樂觀跟不樂觀狀態主委如果你有興趣的話我可以推薦你一些做AI的人才其實有許多人從我們過去的人口分析\n521246\t534183\t已经可以分析未来那这些人是跟我们富有相关产业的一些业界的人士比你们做出来的精准很多如果你有兴趣的话我再帮你串联起来好吗好啊谢谢主席\n","txt":"主席謝謝我也想請主委來有請主委\n主委我们现在要开始推动这个外国人才修法这个是非常好的因为我们现在很缺工所以我们更需要去锁定外国这些高端还有尖端的人才但这个是实际上许多案例会遇到的问题您可能也略知一二了就是说我们必须先符合劳动部主管所规定的救福法第46条中的内容那再来符合国发会认定的九大领域\n但并不是所有的业别都可以同时符合这样子的两个需求所以我先举个例子给你们看第一个就是我们会限制他在救福法的第46条我圈起来的地方12356等等那就是刚很多人所提到的不管是老师啊主管啊专业技术的工作运动人员艺术人员演艺工作等等那\n第一項又細分成A01到A15可是現在有很多新興的產業比如說台灣的酒吧文化就很盛行我們甚至有許多酒吧是亞洲前50名的所以假使我們要讓很有名的調酒師來表演或是工作或是授課薪水超過15萬\n目前我们遇到实际的陈情难就是被卡被卡了好几个月因为他没有办法同时被劳动部认定又被你认定我知道国发会主委您的利益非常的良好那你也特别把你的九大项目\n弄得非常的有彈性可是你第一關就是卡在勞動部的時候就沒有辦法這個就是上次我們處理的案例最後他必須要用列舉的方法才可以讓他符合專門性或者是技術的工作因為當時勞動部的主管\n他就他的工作內容他沒有辦法實際去判定他到底算不算是他的主管機關因為他可能有教學也有表演是歸文化部還是歸衛福部等等這一點您未來會遇到越來越多不知道您現在是不是有解決的方案\n我們目前是在我們的第四條的第二款裡面我們有認定這些領域之外有一個極其他領域的特殊專才那這個極其他就具備一個可檢討的彈性\n我認為也許可以善用這一點來解決委員所提到的未來會有很多新興產業的產生那這個產生的確會跑出來非常多尤其是大數據產生很多新的職業我們都希望能夠利用這個來做一個彈性的解釋讓他可以盡早的適應\n好 我只是想跟主委報告您這邊保持彈性但是前面的救福法那邊假使沒有保持彈性還是會遇到很多問題等一下我舉他們後來是用怎麼樣的方法來處理可是這個處理的方法行不通你只會一直重複在做同樣的事情\n這是另外一個案例 這個案例是國外很優秀的主廚及老師來台要開班授課結果也是因為舊輔法卡住了 這個框架卡住了我們沒有相對應的專業工作類別因此他先開了課 結果他卻沒有辦法依照他原本所開課的時間來做教學\n我覺得你要做的是當然你也同意有很多的新興業別但是他就找不到他的主管習慣去快速審核讓勞動部來放寬所以你看最後這些案例最後都是得靠幾個月這樣子磨磨磨跟勞動部磨然後他們必須要含釋那再把它一一列入這個是不是有專門技術性所以我剛講他就列了一二三四\n但未來呢數位轉型新型態的產業企業發展發展模式都會不斷的推陳出新這些產業出來的速度比不上我們修法的速度所以你是不是要怎麼樣來跟勞動部來做協調才會更有效率呢對這個\n這個部分我想我們來跟勞動部做一個協調然後來看看有沒有什麼比較更快速的方法因為照原來就我的認知我們現在已經有授權勞動部可以直接彈性的認定但是看起來在認定過程中會產生委員所提的這些耗時間的事情對\n那是不是讓我們來找勞動部大家一起來看一下怎麼樣將來再制定一個方式讓未來再認定新興工作的時候能夠有一個比較聚效率的一個方案好 謝謝主委可以在一個月內跟您要這個您跟勞動部討論出來的報告嗎可以可以好 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0.7你卻把自己的高推估設在1.3不覺得非常的"},{"start":489.281,"end":500.61,"text":"不符合我們的常理嗎這個本來就是一般來講是中推估高推估低推估那如果您看我們的低推估0.8其實是"},{"start":502.819,"end":520.546,"text":"低退估0.8%已經是我們這幾年來的平均數據也是有抓到整個的趨勢那它本來所有的退估一定會有樂觀跟不樂觀狀態主委如果你有興趣的話我可以推薦你一些做AI的人才其實有許多人從我們過去的人口分析"},{"start":521.246,"end":534.183,"text":"已经可以分析未来那这些人是跟我们富有相关产业的一些业界的人士比你们做出来的精准很多如果你有兴趣的话我再帮你串联起来好吗好啊谢谢主席"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":831,"blocks":[["陳委員菁徽：（11時50分）謝謝主席，有請主委。"],["主席：有請主委。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：陳委員好。"],["陳委員菁徽：主委，我們現在開始要推動外國人才修法，這是非常好的，因為我們現在很缺工，所以我們更需要去鎖定外國這些高端及尖端的人才，但這是實際上許多案例會遇到的問題，你可能也略知一二，就是我們必須先符合勞動部主管所規定的就服法第四十六條的內容，再來符合國發會認定的九大領域，但並不是所有的業別都可以同時符合這兩個需求，所以我先舉個例子給你看。第一個，我們會限制他在就服法第四十六條我圈起來的地方，一、二、三、五、六等等，那就是剛很多人所提到的，不管是老師、主管、專業技術工作、運動人員、藝術人員、演藝工作等等，第一項又細分成A01到A15，可是現在有很多新興的產業，例如臺灣的酒吧文化就很盛行，我們甚至有很多酒吧是亞洲前五十名，假使我們要很有名的調酒師來表演、工作或授課，薪水超過15萬元，目前我們遇到實際的陳情案就是被卡了好幾個月，因為他沒有辦法同時被勞動部認定又被你認定，我知道國發會主委你的立意非常良好，你也特別把九大項目弄得非常有彈性，可是你第一關就卡在勞動部的時候就沒有辦法，這個就是上次我們處理的案例，最後他必須要用列舉的方法才可以讓他符合專門性或技術的工作，因為當時勞動部的主管就他的工作內容沒有辦法實際去判定它到底算不算他的主管機關，因為他可能有教學也有表演，是歸文化部？還是歸衛福部？這一點你未來會遇到越來越多，不知道你現在是否有解決的方案？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們目前是在第四條第二款認定這些領域之外有個「及其他領域之特殊專才」，「及其他」就具備一個可檢討的彈性，我認為也許可以善用這一點來解決委員所提到的未來會有很多新興產業的產生，這個產生的確會跑出來非常多，尤其大數據產生很多新的職業，我們都希望能夠利用這個來作為彈性解釋，讓他可以儘早的適應。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，我只是想跟主委報告，您這邊保持彈性，但前面就服法那邊假使沒有保持彈性，還是會遇到很多問題。等一下我舉例說明他們後來是用什麼樣的方法來處理，可是這個處理方法行不通，只會一直重複做同樣的事情。這是另外一個案例，國外很優秀的主廚級老師要來臺開班授課，結果也是因為就服法這個框架而卡住了，我們沒有相對應的專業工作類別，結果他先開了課，卻沒辦法依照他原本開課的時間來教學。當然你也同意有很多的新興業別，但他就是找不到他的主管機關去快速審核，讓勞動部來放寬，最後這些案例都得跟勞動部這樣去磨好幾個月，他們必須要函釋，再把它一一列入這個是不是有專門技術性，就像我剛剛講的，他們就列了一、二、三、四，但未來數位轉型新型態的產業、企業發展模式，都會不斷的推陳出新，而我們修法的速度比不上這些產業出來的速度，所以你們要怎麼樣來跟勞動部協調，才會更有效率？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對於這個部分，我們來跟勞動部協調，看看有沒有什麼比較更快速的方法；就我的認知，我們現在已有授權勞動部可以直接彈性的認定，但看起來在認定過程中會產生委員所提的這些耗時間的事情，是不是讓我們找勞動部，再一起來看要怎麼樣制定一個方式，未來在認定新興工作的時候，能夠有一個比較具效率的方案？"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝主委，可以在一個月內跟您要您跟勞動部討論出來的報告嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：可以。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝。下一個也是我很關注的議題，你知道在上次總質詢的時候，我問了行政院院長還有國發會，當天好像是副主委。今年1到5月，每一個月的出生人數都是八千、九千，這個您知道嘛！"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我知道。"],["陳委員菁徽：但在去年的人口推估系統，每隔龍年就是一個高峰，後來破功，所以這個是你們重畫出來的圖，可是你們重畫出來的圖很難說服許多婦產科、小兒科的醫師，因為你們後來重畫的圖是每隔幾年就加0.01的生育率，最後一路加到1，一路延伸到2070年，假使我們學生拿這個東西來做報告的話，一定會相當的失真。當天國發會副主委還有行政院院長說，你們知道1到5月的生育率很低，所以你們現在要推出一個13萬新生兒保衛戰，但沒有講到策略，我就問為什麼？他說，因為依照往年來看，6到12月出生的嬰兒數都會比較高，您覺得呢？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：就我了解，現在陳時中政委有跨部會找大家重新研議，訂定一個115年到118年的四年少子化策略，希望能刺激新生兒的比率，目前這個草案已經由各部會回饋意見中，我們有參與裡面的意見，也有提一些建議出來，希望能夠更加的刺激生育率。"],["陳委員菁徽：你有信心今年到13萬嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：今年會有一點辛苦啦，但是總得來努力。"],["陳委員菁徽：不會到嗎？是不是？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：沒有說不會到，但是總要來努力吧。"],["陳委員菁徽：上次你們說因為往年都是下半年的出生率會比較高，我告訴你一個實際的作法，真的非常簡單，其實你只要去查目前正在懷孕的人有多少，很快就可以算出今年可不可以到13萬保衛戰，這非常的簡單，怎麼還會用感覺的，或者是用往年的數據？","再看下一張，這是你們所做的人口推估未來生育趨勢專家調查，你找10位專家去做了一個模型，但是我們怎麼看都覺得現在生育率一直是0.8、0.7，你卻把自己的高推估設在1.3，不覺得非常不符合我們的常理嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：一般來講，這個有中推估、高推估、低推估，如果您看我們的低推估0.8其實是……"],["陳委員菁徽：低推估0.8已經是我們這幾年來的平均數據。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：它也是有抓到整個趨勢啦，本來所有的推估一定會有樂觀跟不樂觀狀態。"],["陳委員菁徽：主委如果有興趣的話，我可以推薦你一些做AI的人才，有許多人從我們過去的人口分析已經可以分析未來，這些人是跟我們婦幼相關產業的一些業界人士，比你們做出來的要精準很多。如果你有興趣的話，我再幫你串聯起來，好嗎？謝謝主席，謝謝。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好啊，請委員幫忙，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳菁徽委員。","下一位請劉建國委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":328,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-19,26,22-1","speakers":["蔡易餘","羅美玲","邱議瑩","萬美玲","葛如鈞","鄭正鈐","楊瓊瓔","吳沛憶","張啓楷","林宜瑾","林岱樺","賴瑞隆","陳秀寳","呂玉玲","陳菁徽","劉建國","葉元之","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳超明","黃秀芳","鄭天財Sra 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