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00:01:12,882\n那包括了蔡英文總統任內的包租貸款八萬新建十二萬租金補貼四十萬那賴清德總統預計達成的戶數我也都把它寫在上面那這個是我按照公開的資訊把它細部整理出來的內容那我們先來看一看賴總統他承接他上任前的狀態到底是什麼我們先來看一下\n\n4\n00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:26,289\n蔡英文總統說她要興建社會住宅12萬戶當初蔡總統說請全民大家看一看蔡總統任內最後一天興建跟完成發包的有沒有到12萬戶有到12萬戶嗎\n\n5\n00:01:30,168 --> 00:01:48,880\n文報跟我們當時講的是113年底到113年底的確是12萬戶來你看一下你今天指的是到去年的4月30號請你仔細看你可以看一看蔡總統任內的最後一天新建跟發包完成的有沒有到12萬戶我絕對不敢去偽造變造賴總統的發言蔡總統最後一天有到12萬戶嗎\n\n6\n00:01:56,085 --> 00:02:16,082\n跟委員報告,我們當時報的計畫是到113年底所以我們指的也是113年底,完成這個數字所以我們在去年又發包了一萬九千多戶有追上這個進度沒有關係啦,有的時候要你在這邊公開的承認有落差也是為難你,我們也要為難你啦,今天不是\n\n7\n00:02:16,923 --> 00:02:45,606\n要來這邊跟你進行政治攻擊還是政治攻防的啦我只是希望非常務實的來看一看我們政府整體上面的規劃跟他實際上面的進度下一個問題是賴清德總統按照他我把他breakdown的細節這樣比較好討論他說要達成新建13萬戶社會住宅的目標這13萬戶社會住宅的目標到目前為止目標有沒有改變\n\n8\n00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:57,358\n包括目標都沒有改變那我現在就具體的問因為我一定不要進入細節啦在這邊講空的沒有任何意義十三萬戶達成的路徑是什麼\n\n9\n00:02:58,964 --> 00:03:27,235\n跟委員報告就會包含有直接興建還有這個都更分回還有這個民間促餐還有合作開發這些類我所謂的路徑我再講的比較具體一點你每一年各要達成多少戶有一個施政目標嗎到目前為止來講因為我們先完成所謂的取得的方式把它確認以後我們接下來就會把每一年的目標都逐漸的都確認所以意思就是說到目前為止還沒有目標嗎\n\n10\n00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:54,254\n目標沒有變但是每一年確定的數字我現在就講嘛現在已經上任超過一年了嘛那超過一年了以後如果在第一個月問可能還沒有準備好這個我理解上了一年以後我問說13萬戶你要如何達成的這件事情你的路徑是什麼譬如說今年是2025年嘛2025年打算完成幾戶\n\n11\n00:03:56,471 --> 00:04:03,380\n了解所以剛剛跟委員報告先請回答我問題現在還沒有計畫嗎對還沒有確認這些數字所以如果2025年還沒有完還沒有清楚的目標說要完成幾戶的話我想2026年就不用談了啦\n\n12\n00:04:13,011 --> 00:04:27,327\n不會,因為我們很快就會把它定義出來所以2026年你打算要完成幾戶?跟委員報告,我們後面會按照我們所手頭的案件的發包量能所以我剛剛的描述完全沒錯嘛我問你2025年要幾戶\n\n13\n00:04:29,790 --> 00:04:49,296\n然後你回答不出來所以我說2026年就不用談了你跟我們報告應該會在這一兩個月就會確認出來這一兩個月會把整個路徑都排出來基本上面其實站在這邊質詢只是要督促你們也是善意的提醒賴清德總統跟全國人民所做的承諾\n\n14\n00:04:50,396 --> 00:05:14,291\n那有的時候你是講一個空洞的目標沒有具體達成的路徑所造成直接的效果就是什麼所造成直接的效果就是反正到最後跳票了啊跳票又怎麼樣啊跳票又怎麼樣那救責也沒有辦法救責嘛那在這邊善意的提醒我知道幹社會住宅是一個辛苦的工作實時的提醒你們\n\n15\n00:05:15,646 --> 00:05:39,796\n那也督促你們把具體的路徑跟規劃端到檯面上讓全國人民看這樣大家才知道說實際的進度是什麼嗎因為如果已經過了一年多了以後一戶都還沒有核定的話那接下來將近三年的時間13萬戶要怎麼達成這件事情我老實說啦我是充滿了困惑充滿了困惑\n\n16\n00:05:42,332 --> 00:06:10,063\n那第二個因為時間的關係所以第二個我只問一下目前因為目前其實在不管是在興建中或者是發包的其實都是蔡英文總統任內她所核定的社會住宅嘛我理解沒有錯嘛因為到賴總統目前還沒有一個具體的核定計畫出來那目前的社會住宅在興建上面是不是預期的完工日期跟實際的完工日期有出現嚴重的延遲\n\n17\n00:06:12,145 --> 00:06:19,215\n沒有到目前為止都沒有都按照進度在推行只有極少數有落後那大部分都是超前來來來\n\n18\n00:06:21,583 --> 00:06:44,354\n原定2024年完工的10處中央社會住宅現在有幾處可以入住報告現在已經有4處已經提出來來你看一下喔上面預定的完工日期是全國社會住宅個案新辦執行情形的公告我第一個是在2024年4月30號也就是蔡英文總統任期的最後一年\n\n19\n00:06:45,415 --> 00:06:57,974\n這個是我從內政部抓下來的數字然後到了你們就是2025年5月31號也就是賴清德總統上任一年以後的狀況我所抓出來的數字\n\n20\n00:06:59,161 --> 00:07:16,815\n那這個數字實際上面預定完工的日期跟去年預定完工的日期出現了相當的落差所以我才問你是不是有延遲那你剛剛說沒有延遲可是你們全國社會住宅個案心態執行狀況公告的情況顯然就不是這個樣子啊\n\n21\n00:07:18,018 --> 00:07:40,757\n跟委員報告完工跟入住期的中間還有差一些要整頓要室內裝修所以我們講的完工跟那個是不太一樣那現在可以很確認就是我先跟你提一下啦請你看一下仔細看表格好嗎中間的那個表格2024年4月30號上面寫的是什麼完工日期嗎對然後再看右手邊的表格\n\n22\n00:07:42,067 --> 00:08:07,071\n2025年5月31號上面寫的是什麼是寫的是完工日期嘛那全部都是你們全國社會住宅執行的公告狀況啊我也跟委員說明一下因為當時是認為是說完工以後就代表入住後來因為完工以後還有很多行政作業要做所以還會在那邊有一點delay其實你先等一下我問題很具體啦是是\n\n23\n00:08:07,751 --> 00:08:34,759\n這些都是你們的公告完全按照你們的定義所以我一開始就在問你完工日期你跟我說完工日期沒有delay我看你們的公告就有delay所以把問題提出來那你又在跟我扯說完工跟入住不一樣你怎麼會把兩個不同層次的問題混在一起談呢我這樣講好了啦我下來問這個風格就是論事我資料一定準備充分我在這邊問也不是要給你們難看\n\n24\n00:08:36,598 --> 00:08:57,956\n我再說一次我的目的就是提醒你們提醒你們不要忘了當初做的承諾對全國的年輕人做的承諾我知道我們會努力我不希望到了2028年的時候大家檢討這件事情的時候發現嚴重的跳票然後再說一些各式各樣的理由好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5350\t31281\t謝謝主席,來有請部長劉部長有請部長好,剛剛謝文基委員也在關心社會住宅的事當然賴清德總統在競選總統的時候就職演說的時候所做的承諾我想很多年輕人都聽到了,也放在心裡了只不過我們要看整個社會住宅當初競選承諾跟現實上面的落差還是要務實的來看\n33186\t47442\t我們先看,當初那總統他是說百萬戶的社會住宅那百萬戶當然不可能啦所以我把它比較細緻的去看因為有時候喊一個口號跟實際上面內容有一些落差\n48303\t72882\t那包括了蔡英文總統任內的包租貸款八萬新建十二萬租金補貼四十萬那賴清德總統預計達成的戶數我也都把它寫在上面那這個是我按照公開的資訊把它細部整理出來的內容那我們先來看一看賴總統他承接他上任前的狀態到底是什麼我們先來看一下\n74333\t86289\t蔡英文總統說她要興建社會住宅12萬戶當初蔡總統說請全民大家看一看蔡總統任內最後一天興建跟完成發包的有沒有到12萬戶有到12萬戶嗎\n90168\t108880\t文報跟我們當時講的是113年底到113年底的確是12萬戶來你看一下你今天指的是到去年的4月30號請你仔細看你可以看一看蔡總統任內的最後一天新建跟發包完成的有沒有到12萬戶我絕對不敢去偽造變造賴總統的發言蔡總統最後一天有到12萬戶嗎\n116085\t136082\t跟委員報告,我們當時報的計畫是到113年底所以我們指的也是113年底,完成這個數字所以我們在去年又發包了一萬九千多戶有追上這個進度沒有關係啦,有的時候要你在這邊公開的承認有落差也是為難你,我們也要為難你啦,今天不是\n136923\t165606\t要來這邊跟你進行政治攻擊還是政治攻防的啦我只是希望非常務實的來看一看我們政府整體上面的規劃跟他實際上面的進度下一個問題是賴清德總統按照他我把他break down的細節這樣比較好討論他說要達成新建13萬戶社會住宅的目標這13萬戶社會住宅的目標到目前為止目標有沒有改變\n167010\t177358\t包括目標都沒有改變那我現在就具體的問因為我一定不要進入細節啦在這邊講空的沒有任何意義十三萬戶達成的路徑是什麼\n178964\t207235\t跟委員報告就會包含有直接興建還有這個都更分回還有這個民間促餐還有合作開發這些類我所謂的路徑我再講的比較具體一點你每一年各要達成多少戶有一個施政目標嗎到目前為止來講因為我們先完成所謂的取得的方式把它確認以後我們接下來就會把每一年的目標都逐漸的都確認所以意思就是說到目前為止還沒有目標嗎\n208440\t234254\t目標沒有變但是每一年確定的數字我現在就講嘛現在已經上任超過一年了嘛那超過一年了以後如果在第一個月問可能還沒有準備好這個我理解上了一年以後我問說13萬戶你要如何達成的這件事情你的路徑是什麼譬如說今年是2025年嘛2025年打算完成幾戶\n236471\t243380\t了解 所以剛剛跟委員報告先請回答我問題 現在還沒有計畫嗎對 還沒有確認這些數字所以如果2025年還沒有完還沒有清楚的目標說要完成幾戶的話我想2026年就不用談了啦\n253011\t267327\t不會,因為我們很快就會把它定義出來所以2026年你打算要完成幾戶?跟委員報告,我們後面會按照我們所手頭的案件的發包量能所以我剛剛的描述完全沒錯嘛我問你2025年要幾戶\n269790\t289296\t然後你回答不出來所以我說2026年就不用談了你跟我們報告應該會在這一兩個月就會確認出來這一兩個月會把整個路徑都排出來基本上面其實站在這邊質詢只是要督促你們也是善意的提醒賴清德總統跟全國人民所做的承諾\n290396\t314291\t那有的時候你是講一個空洞的目標沒有具體達成的路徑所造成直接的效果就是什麼所造成直接的效果就是反正到最後跳票了啊跳票又怎麼樣啊跳票又怎麼樣那救責也沒有辦法救責嘛那在這邊善意的提醒我知道幹社會住宅是一個辛苦的工作實時的提醒你們\n315646\t339796\t那也督促你們把具體的路徑跟規劃端到檯面上讓全國人民看這樣大家才知道說實際的進度是什麼嗎因為如果已經過了一年多了以後一戶都還沒有核定的話那接下來將近三年的時間13萬戶要怎麼達成這件事情我老實說啦我是充滿了困惑充滿了困惑\n342332\t370063\t那第二個因為時間的關係所以第二個我只問一下目前因為目前其實在不管是在興建中或者是發包的其實都是蔡英文總統任內她所核定的社會住宅嘛我理解沒有錯嘛因為到賴總統目前還沒有一個具體的核定計畫出來那目前的社會住宅在興建上面是不是預期的完工日期跟實際的完工日期有出現嚴重的延遲\n372145\t379215\t沒有到目前為止都沒有都按照進度在推行只有極少數有落後那大部分都是超前來來來\n381583\t404354\t原定2024年完工的10處中央社會住宅現在有幾處可以入住報告現在已經有4處已經提出來來你看一下喔上面預定的完工日期是全國社會住宅個案新辦執行情形的公告我第一個是在2024年4月30號也就是蔡英文總統任期的最後一年\n405415\t417974\t這個是我從內政部抓下來的數字然後到了你們就是2025年5月31號也就是賴清德總統上任一年以後的狀況我所抓出來的數字\n419161\t436815\t那這個數字實際上面預定完工的日期跟去年預定完工的日期出現了相當的落差所以我才問你是不是有延遲那你剛剛說沒有延遲可是你們全國社會住宅個案心態執行狀況公告的情況顯然就不是這個樣子啊\n438018\t460757\t跟委員報告完工跟入住期的中間還有差一些要整頓要室內裝修所以我們講的完工跟那個是不太一樣那現在可以很確認就是我先跟你提一下啦請你看一下仔細看表格好嗎中間的那個表格2024年4月30號上面寫的是什麼完工日期嗎對然後再看右手邊的表格\n462067\t487071\t2025年5月31號上面寫的是什麼是寫的是完工日期嘛那全部都是你們全國社會住宅執行的公告狀況啊我也跟委員說明一下因為當時是認為是說完工以後就代表入住後來因為完工以後還有很多行政作業要做所以還會在那邊有一點delay其實你先等一下我問題很具體啦是是\n487751\t514759\t這些都是你們的公告完全按照你們的定義所以我一開始就在問你完工日期你跟我說完工日期沒有delay我看你們的公告就有delay所以把問題提出來那你又在跟我扯說完工跟入住不一樣你怎麼會把兩個不同層次的問題混在一起談呢我這樣講好了啦我下來問這個風格就是論事我資料一定準備充分我在這邊問也不是要給你們難看\n516598\t537956\t我再說一次我的目的就是提醒你們提醒你們不要忘了當初做的承諾對全國的年輕人做的承諾我知道 我們會努力我不希望到了2028年的時候大家檢討這件事情的時候發現嚴重的跳票然後再說一些各式各樣的理由好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,來有請部長劉部長有請部長好,剛剛謝文基委員也在關心社會住宅的事當然賴清德總統在競選總統的時候就職演說的時候所做的承諾我想很多年輕人都聽到了,也放在心裡了只不過我們要看整個社會住宅當初競選承諾跟現實上面的落差還是要務實的來看\n我們先看,當初那總統他是說百萬戶的社會住宅那百萬戶當然不可能啦所以我把它比較細緻的去看因為有時候喊一個口號跟實際上面內容有一些落差\n那包括了蔡英文總統任內的包租貸款八萬新建十二萬租金補貼四十萬那賴清德總統預計達成的戶數我也都把它寫在上面那這個是我按照公開的資訊把它細部整理出來的內容那我們先來看一看賴總統他承接他上任前的狀態到底是什麼我們先來看一下\n蔡英文總統說她要興建社會住宅12萬戶當初蔡總統說請全民大家看一看蔡總統任內最後一天興建跟完成發包的有沒有到12萬戶有到12萬戶嗎\n文報跟我們當時講的是113年底到113年底的確是12萬戶來你看一下你今天指的是到去年的4月30號請你仔細看你可以看一看蔡總統任內的最後一天新建跟發包完成的有沒有到12萬戶我絕對不敢去偽造變造賴總統的發言蔡總統最後一天有到12萬戶嗎\n跟委員報告,我們當時報的計畫是到113年底所以我們指的也是113年底,完成這個數字所以我們在去年又發包了一萬九千多戶有追上這個進度沒有關係啦,有的時候要你在這邊公開的承認有落差也是為難你,我們也要為難你啦,今天不是\n要來這邊跟你進行政治攻擊還是政治攻防的啦我只是希望非常務實的來看一看我們政府整體上面的規劃跟他實際上面的進度下一個問題是賴清德總統按照他我把他break down的細節這樣比較好討論他說要達成新建13萬戶社會住宅的目標這13萬戶社會住宅的目標到目前為止目標有沒有改變\n包括目標都沒有改變那我現在就具體的問因為我一定不要進入細節啦在這邊講空的沒有任何意義十三萬戶達成的路徑是什麼\n跟委員報告就會包含有直接興建還有這個都更分回還有這個民間促餐還有合作開發這些類我所謂的路徑我再講的比較具體一點你每一年各要達成多少戶有一個施政目標嗎到目前為止來講因為我們先完成所謂的取得的方式把它確認以後我們接下來就會把每一年的目標都逐漸的都確認所以意思就是說到目前為止還沒有目標嗎\n目標沒有變但是每一年確定的數字我現在就講嘛現在已經上任超過一年了嘛那超過一年了以後如果在第一個月問可能還沒有準備好這個我理解上了一年以後我問說13萬戶你要如何達成的這件事情你的路徑是什麼譬如說今年是2025年嘛2025年打算完成幾戶\n了解 所以剛剛跟委員報告先請回答我問題 現在還沒有計畫嗎對 還沒有確認這些數字所以如果2025年還沒有完還沒有清楚的目標說要完成幾戶的話我想2026年就不用談了啦\n不會,因為我們很快就會把它定義出來所以2026年你打算要完成幾戶?跟委員報告,我們後面會按照我們所手頭的案件的發包量能所以我剛剛的描述完全沒錯嘛我問你2025年要幾戶\n然後你回答不出來所以我說2026年就不用談了你跟我們報告應該會在這一兩個月就會確認出來這一兩個月會把整個路徑都排出來基本上面其實站在這邊質詢只是要督促你們也是善意的提醒賴清德總統跟全國人民所做的承諾\n那有的時候你是講一個空洞的目標沒有具體達成的路徑所造成直接的效果就是什麼所造成直接的效果就是反正到最後跳票了啊跳票又怎麼樣啊跳票又怎麼樣那救責也沒有辦法救責嘛那在這邊善意的提醒我知道幹社會住宅是一個辛苦的工作實時的提醒你們\n那也督促你們把具體的路徑跟規劃端到檯面上讓全國人民看這樣大家才知道說實際的進度是什麼嗎因為如果已經過了一年多了以後一戶都還沒有核定的話那接下來將近三年的時間13萬戶要怎麼達成這件事情我老實說啦我是充滿了困惑充滿了困惑\n那第二個因為時間的關係所以第二個我只問一下目前因為目前其實在不管是在興建中或者是發包的其實都是蔡英文總統任內她所核定的社會住宅嘛我理解沒有錯嘛因為到賴總統目前還沒有一個具體的核定計畫出來那目前的社會住宅在興建上面是不是預期的完工日期跟實際的完工日期有出現嚴重的延遲\n沒有到目前為止都沒有都按照進度在推行只有極少數有落後那大部分都是超前來來來\n原定2024年完工的10處中央社會住宅現在有幾處可以入住報告現在已經有4處已經提出來來你看一下喔上面預定的完工日期是全國社會住宅個案新辦執行情形的公告我第一個是在2024年4月30號也就是蔡英文總統任期的最後一年\n這個是我從內政部抓下來的數字然後到了你們就是2025年5月31號也就是賴清德總統上任一年以後的狀況我所抓出來的數字\n那這個數字實際上面預定完工的日期跟去年預定完工的日期出現了相當的落差所以我才問你是不是有延遲那你剛剛說沒有延遲可是你們全國社會住宅個案心態執行狀況公告的情況顯然就不是這個樣子啊\n跟委員報告完工跟入住期的中間還有差一些要整頓要室內裝修所以我們講的完工跟那個是不太一樣那現在可以很確認就是我先跟你提一下啦請你看一下仔細看表格好嗎中間的那個表格2024年4月30號上面寫的是什麼完工日期嗎對然後再看右手邊的表格\n2025年5月31號上面寫的是什麼是寫的是完工日期嘛那全部都是你們全國社會住宅執行的公告狀況啊我也跟委員說明一下因為當時是認為是說完工以後就代表入住後來因為完工以後還有很多行政作業要做所以還會在那邊有一點delay其實你先等一下我問題很具體啦是是\n這些都是你們的公告完全按照你們的定義所以我一開始就在問你完工日期你跟我說完工日期沒有delay我看你們的公告就有delay所以把問題提出來那你又在跟我扯說完工跟入住不一樣你怎麼會把兩個不同層次的問題混在一起談呢我這樣講好了啦我下來問這個風格就是論事我資料一定準備充分我在這邊問也不是要給你們難看\n我再說一次我的目的就是提醒你們提醒你們不要忘了當初做的承諾對全國的年輕人做的承諾我知道 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