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00:01:48,500\n產業應用我們是協辦全民智慧生活我們是協辦智慧機器人我們是協辦主權AI跟算力我們是協辦人才我們是協辦但是我們負責就是造源軟體產業跟智慧政府資料治理這一塊我們是主辦區域AI軍人發展我們也是協辦\n\n6\n00:01:51,041 --> 00:02:06,382\n所以我們部裡面負責的工作還蠻多的那主辦就是兆元軟體產業的那個工作跟智慧政府治理治療治理的工作但目前是這樣不過這個還沒有抱怨所以名詞各方面可能還會做一些調整\n\n7\n00:02:07,203 --> 00:02:31,401\n因為我看相關的新聞跟資料在準備的時候還其實其他單位都與待保留啊還都還不好意思就直接講但是我想蘇發部對於這個AI的十大建設一定是非常的參與因為這個還沒有抱怨通過所以我剛剛講的只是說在我目前看到的版本但是這個我剛剛講裡面的細節內容跟文字還會做調整\n\n8\n00:02:32,542 --> 00:02:53,525\n文字調整的話主要是在它的標題但是方向跟內容的話就是需要的部分那我在想這樣的說明就已經足夠那但是也許剛才廖先祥委員所提到的不管是算力與電力那現在目前河山停了之後包括那時候黃仁勳他也提到那其實台灣的AI發展的話其實需要核能\n\n9\n00:02:54,205 --> 00:03:22,585\n那像現在來講台灣的電力供電已經不穩定了那我想請問一下部長您覺得這個目前的電力來講在發展這AI史達建設會不會到時候遇到瓶頸包委員因為電力的估算是現在主要是在進一步在進行不過我相信他們都就是在行政院有說這個其實到至少到2030都不會有問題那我們就相信這應該是有適當的規劃應該在短期之內不會有任何問題\n\n10\n00:03:24,466 --> 00:03:48,227\n那我在想大致上我們也知道其實台灣的目前電力供應是不穩定的那當然說AI十大建設它主要的建制它是需要時間啦所以說目前來講2030前還可能電力沒問題不代表2030年後啦那同樣也有關在2030年之前大家在建制的這個進度是否能夠能夠突飛猛進啊那我在想說其實不管是在\n\n11\n00:03:48,868 --> 00:04:08,998\n核能的一個重啟包括在這個電力供應的穩定我覺得其實在速發部也可以持著AI發展的一個角色跟立場來去支持我們能夠用更有效的電力來去發展台灣的產業那這個部分我在想到時候內部的時候你們在討論的時候再做一個評估\n\n12\n00:04:10,259 --> 00:04:39,008\n那同樣剛才許多的委員都有提到就是中華電信Google撤銷中華電信TLS憑證信任的事件那其實許多的委員剛才都有提到啦包括不管是對於資安的一個安全資訊安全包括信任斷裂那以及包括目前來講就是不安全的部分有影響到這個多元憑證的多元分散策略還有包括是不是列入年度的一個資安考核那本期在這裡還是想要直接請教部長\n\n13\n00:04:39,488 --> 00:04:54,257\n那因為其實速發部跟Google一直都有在做一個溝通的平台那在現在來講自行翻到現在也將近10天了那溝通的進度以及如何能夠協助中華電術能夠加速取得這個重新的這個憑證\n\n14\n00:04:57,409 --> 00:05:20,958\n這個工作這個憑證是當我們就是剛講是是中華電信跟Google中間的一個一個這個合約的關係那這個他這個目前我的了解是中華電信在目前因為在8月1號開始他就不再具有重新發憑證的這樣的一個權利所以中華電信現在在努力重新申請然後大家可能需要6到9個月時間\n\n15\n00:05:22,098 --> 00:05:43,347\n訴罰部的話因為跟顧委員有平行溝通的一個機制我們有這個因為這個憑證的機制是中華電信為主那我們有在跟我們去了解所以第一個就是說我們第一個擔心的是說這個現在發生這個問題會不會影響到政府的治安現在的因為我們有雙憑證制度所以不會影響\n\n16\n00:05:44,167 --> 00:06:10,523\n那民間企業的這些憑證中華電信會負責幫忙做過度的轉換所以這個也不會受影響那至於說中華電信未來是不是能夠重新拿到發憑證的權利這個是我所關心的所以我有跟中華電信高層講說他們要努力然後可能要不斷的讓我知道他們的進展我們希望是中華電信能夠在比如說明年的3月以前重新拿回發憑證的權利這個是\n\n17\n00:06:13,905 --> 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