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00:02:16,097\n我想這樣子喔從過去10次的產檢產檢價變5到現在14次的產檢產檢價變7勞動部的思維我希望說能夠再去研究一下喔因為我個人認為現階段的產檢真的只需要半天就可以了嗎\n\n7\n00:02:17,708 --> 00:02:39,742\n可能嗎?部長你覺得現在的產檢因為這部分當然我們可以再跟衛福部討論因為這個產檢的到底要多少時間的需求這主要其實是衛福部來跟我們當然當然但現在我要講的是食物面現在每一個媽媽去做產檢的時候絕大多數你認為她會請半天還請一天?\n\n8\n00:02:45,687 --> 00:03:02,174\n其實多數有可能這種狀況我都聽過因為一種對啦沒有一定的數據啦但是我們認為他如果請半天真的是非常的匆忙那現階段很多的職場女性仍需要用上班日來完成產檢這無庸置疑吧部長您覺得\n\n9\n00:03:04,686 --> 00:03:19,503\n應該是說就產檢架的需求到底到多大我想其實因為我自己不是這方面的專業那這個部分我們也很願意跟衛福部來做討論看他們有沒有覺得需要再延長或者是在時間調整上的需求這當然我們願意跟衛福部來討論\n\n10\n00:03:21,685 --> 00:03:37,182\n我是覺得說如果還要做羊毛穿刺啊那如果家裡又是偏鄉偏遠或甚至是山區甚至不是在市中心他還要去到市中心的醫院做產檢我個人認為這樣子的一個所謂的半天根本是不夠的\n\n11\n00:03:38,362 --> 00:04:01,697\n那14次的產檢產檢假7天的設計明顯不足以支應現在的產檢需求那至於孕婦要動用到市價特休甚至是影響到職場的權益跟健康所以我認為產檢假應該要以完整的一天來思考14次的產檢應該要以14天的產檢假部長你可以認同嗎\n\n12\n00:04:06,462 --> 00:04:34,702\n我想委員在談的這個精神我們是了解的順便想跟你來聊一下這個賠產價那對不起因為我要聊賠產價之前我剛剛還特別搜尋一下就是Google洪森漢然後突然就跳出空格老婆然後也想一下說你有沒有另外一半那因為我自己本身就是我太太生三個啦那所以我們對這個賠產我也想跟你分享就是說\n\n13\n00:04:36,409 --> 00:05:00,257\n產檢不可能就他一個人去嘛一定要有人賠產嘛對不對《信免平等工作法》實行細則第七條除賠產檢、配偶所謂在這個過程當中請假外受僱者賠產之請假其因於配偶分免之當日及前後合計十五日的期間內為之\n\n14\n00:05:02,818 --> 00:05:11,966\n賠產價有使用時間的一個限制就是我剛剛說的分免的當日期前後合計15日請問部長為什麼要有15日的限制你不覺得不太合理嗎\n\n15\n00:05:17,722 --> 00:05:23,446\n各位報告基本上這個部分是我們當時設計的時候一個女性如果分娩的時候假設他是用剖腹的他其實最常要待在醫院7天那我們認為說這一個假的需求是基本上是希望這個勞工可以陪伴他另外一半這個從分娩然後出院照顧新生兒\n\n16\n00:05:41,758 --> 00:06:01,068\n那合理的期間因為我們不是要增加這個勞工其他的假所以希望在他最需要的時候然後合理性他的請假的這個室友所以依照實務上面來看一個女性分娩如果最常需要在醫院待7天所以前後15日是我們當時這個設計的本意\n\n17\n00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:24,180\n好那我也是想用剖腹的部分來做一個案例啦那不謀而合但是我還是認為就是說在這個剖腹的過程喔醫院休養的這個部分現行制度我只有7日的陪產假嘛剛剛你有說到然後我就要回職場了我覺得這不利於產婦的休養跟新生兒的一個照顧還有初期的忙亂\n\n18\n00:06:25,641 --> 00:06:45,498\n所以七日難以充分協助產婦恢復與新生兒的照護對家庭的實際支持我認為是有限那所以部長我希望說這個分娩之當日及其前後合計15日天數能不能再拉長您可以評估看看嗎\n\n19\n00:06:46,209 --> 00:07:14,213\n我想我們這部分我們可以來依照實際的需求但實際的需求我覺得我們可以再來做一些思考不過這部分我想我們會來跟衛福部來做討論可以討論吧我先提出這問題我先跟委員說明這部分其實當然都會是來自於比方說這個生育政策上面或者是生育的需求那哪些部分會需要我們在整體的工時的制度上面或休假的制度上面來去做因應跟配套\n\n20\n00:07:14,673 --> 00:07:33,276\n我們還是這部分還是會跟衛福部當然我們都希望越來越寬鬆啦但你也有提到實務面實務面到底不符不符合需求這我也尊重但我希望你可以再調查一下那目前我們有看到這樣的一個需求我們都願意來再做檢視一下這方面的需求那如果可以拉長的話賠產假期日你認為可不可以再拉長\n\n21\n00:07:35,322 --> 00:07:59,579\n那個我現在都不是只是單純說我認為可不可以可以或不可以我覺得我們沒有要你承諾我們都要在我們都會朝向這個方向我們都會再做一些評估好不好那你願不願意朝這個方向評估可以吧呃我們當然也這部分我們要考慮才人因為現在這個五天五天是由雇主付那兩天是由政府來補\n\n22\n00:08:00,998 --> 00:08:15,928\n好那當然這個相關的補助的金額當然這個如果要拉長的話這補助的金額會要提高那我認為我們可能方方面面這個財源上考慮也要考慮進來好那我過去也蠻關心這個早產兒照護的一個問題那您過去也關心這個輕職假\n\n23\n00:08:22,347 --> 00:08:50,385\n對吧是那根據國民健康署出生統計的年報顯示台灣出生率逐年下降但是早產兒的比例不降反升去年5月31我有召開一場早產兒暨友善輕職政策的一個公聽會當時會議結論早產兒的視網膜病變治療藥物納入健保已經在今年2月執行母乳的補充照物今年5月1日納入補助但是\n\n24\n00:08:51,165 --> 00:09:17,665\n對於醫療照護假這個部分目前還在努力雖然對早產兒家庭而言有育嬰留職停薪有家庭照顧假有所謂的特休可以運用但對於這些早產兒的家庭我認為還是不夠要再給予更多的一些支持因為畢竟早產兒對於這個早療的次數早療的時段路程甚至有可能要跨縣市因為有些早療要跨縣市去執行\n\n25\n00:09:18,906 --> 00:09:37,738\n這些問題我認為現在的天數均有所不足忽略早產兒特殊這樣子的一個狀況實際的需求對於整個早產兒的家庭而言我認為是工作以及孩子真的是特別特別的兩頭燒所以通常都會照顧到離子\n\n26\n00:09:38,178 --> 00:09:54,075\n要落實現今的專報照顧不離職很難啊不只早產兒罕病家庭也面臨一樣的狀況部長對於這些家長為了照顧早產兒罕病兒的一個醫療需求因長期醫療照顧而離開的職場你認為有什麼想法\n\n27\n00:09:59,227 --> 00:10:13,217\n這當然所以這我想包括早產兒或早療其實的需求其實也是我們現在在研議把暈流亭給更彈性可以讓大家有更多的價別可以來請求其中一個原因\n\n28\n00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:37,541\n我還是要再次特別拜託因為我有提出性免聘等工作法的20條修正那明定受僱者子女未滿6歲有早療罕病的一個需求可以請醫療照顧假全年以18日為限這假不記錄家庭照顧假的天數是分開的我希望你能夠獲得你的支持那您覺得呢\n\n29\n00:10:40,124 --> 00:10:54,524\n我覺得我們可以綜合來思考跟評估委員的意識跟精神委員的意識跟精神我們了解但你能夠想像就是說別人的家庭突如其來有早療的孩子\n\n30\n00:10:55,505 --> 00:11:20,363\n有早產的孩子甚至有所謂的寒病的孩子哇那真的是一開始就很忙碌對於新生兒措手不及還有很多要再忙那更何況是寒病更何況是需要早產需要早療的所以我希望說你今天不用答應我但我是希望說提出這樣的需求希望作為一個部長你要再次設身處地去想這件事情如果今天發生在你我\n\n31\n00:11:21,124 --> 00:11:45,622\n每個人都可能發生的家庭上我們該怎麼辦我們是不是要有政府更多的支持或者是有其他的方式由勞動部來幫忙想辦法來支持早產兒罕病家庭在這個運作維持蠟燭兩頭燒工作跟所謂的新生兒的到來這部分我希望能夠再研議可以嗎我們會重合來思考好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝部長接下來我們請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6092\t28824\t謝謝主席 有請部長部長好 之前臨為授命擔任我們勞動部部長首要的任務是推動照顧不離職如何讓勞工不用為了照顧家庭而被迫選擇離職身為最年輕的勞動部長\n31605\t58059\t我認為你一定了解年輕家庭的需求在今年4月初我想部長也接受中央社的一個專訪那你有說育嬰留庭要更彈性好用以育為單位的請假並不容易沒有你們還沒有放棄近日將提方案及配套請問部長育嬰留庭要更彈性好用彈性指的是什麼部分有沒有規劃方向為何\n59656\t74491\t就是最早因為流停基本上它是要六個月那在110年的時候當時其實把它限縮到最短其實它可以一個月那我們認為這個最短的時間還可以再縮短日數可以再縮短那有沒有計畫要修法\n76012\t92063\t有沒有計畫要修法我們現在會先以這個不用修法的範圍裡面來做到以日為單位希望大概何時會退出我們現在其實正在跟行政院爭取相關配套的資源都會希望儘快\n93629\t114345\t好 有兩個問題先請教部長第一 產檢假從2021年7月1日開始產檢的項目已經從10次改為14次配合產檢的次數增加所以產檢假由原本的5天改成7天請問一下其他國家對於產檢假有何規定你有沒有研究過這個委員可以提\n119175\t136097\t我想這樣子喔 從過去10次的產檢 產檢價變5到現在14次的產檢 產檢價變7勞動部的思維我希望說能夠再去研究一下喔因為我個人認為現階段的產檢真的只需要半天就可以了嗎\n137708\t159742\t可能嗎?部長你覺得現在的產檢因為這部分當然我們可以再跟衛福部討論因為這個產檢的到底要多少時間的需求這主要其實是衛福部來跟我們當然當然但現在我要講的是食物面現在每一個媽媽去做產檢的時候絕大多數你認為她會請半天還請一天?\n165687\t182174\t其實多數有可能這種狀況我都聽過因為一種對啦沒有一定的數據啦但是我們認為他如果請半天真的是非常的匆忙那現階段很多的職場女性仍需要用上班日來完成產檢這無庸置疑吧部長您覺得\n184686\t199503\t應該是說就產檢架的需求到底到多大我想其實因為我自己不是這方面的專業那這個部分我們也很願意跟衛福部來做討論看他們有沒有覺得需要再延長或者是在時間調整上的需求這當然我們願意跟衛福部來討論\n201685\t217182\t我是覺得說如果還要做羊毛穿刺啊那如果家裡又是偏鄉偏遠或甚至是山區甚至不是在市中心他還要去到市中心的醫院做產檢我個人認為這樣子的一個所謂的半天根本是不夠的\n218362\t241697\t那14次的產檢產檢假7天的設計明顯不足以支應現在的產檢需求那至於孕婦要動用到市價特休甚至是影響到職場的權益跟健康所以我認為產檢假應該要以完整的一天來思考14次的產檢應該要以14天的產檢假部長你可以認同嗎\n246462\t274702\t我想委員在談的這個精神我們是了解的順便想跟你來聊一下這個賠產價那對不起因為我要聊賠產價之前我剛剛還特別搜尋一下就是Google洪森漢然後突然就跳出空格老婆然後也想一下說你有沒有另外一半那因為我自己本身就是我太太生三個啦那所以我們對這個賠產我也想跟你分享就是說\n276409\t300257\t產檢不可能就他一個人去嘛一定要有人賠產嘛對不對《信免平等工作法》實行細則第七條除賠產檢、配偶所謂在這個過程當中請假外受僱者賠產之請假其因於配偶分免之當日及前後合計十五日的期間內為之\n302818\t311966\t賠產價有使用時間的一個限制就是我剛剛說的分免的當日期前後合計15日請問部長為什麼要有15日的限制你不覺得不太合理嗎\n317722\t323446\t各位報告基本上這個部分是我們當時設計的時候一個女性如果分娩的時候假設他是用剖腹的他其實最常要待在醫院7天那我們認為說這一個假的需求是基本上是希望這個勞工可以陪伴他另外一半這個從分娩然後出院照顧新生兒\n341758\t361068\t那合理的期間因為我們不是要增加這個勞工其他的假所以希望在他最需要的時候然後合理性他的請假的這個室友所以依照實務上面來看一個女性分娩如果最常需要在醫院待7天所以前後15日是我們當時這個設計的本意\n364170\t384180\t好 那我也是想用剖腹的部分來做一個案例啦那不謀而合 但是我還是認為就是說在這個剖腹的過程喔 醫院休養的這個部分現行制度 我只有7日的陪產假嘛 剛剛你有說到然後我就要回職場了我覺得這不利於產婦的休養跟新生兒的一個照顧還有初期的忙亂\n385641\t405498\t所以七日難以充分協助產婦恢復與新生兒的照護對家庭的實際支持我認為是有限那所以部長我希望說這個分娩之當日及其前後合計15日天數能不能再拉長您可以評估看看嗎\n406209\t434213\t我想我們這部分我們可以來依照實際的需求但實際的需求我覺得我們可以再來做一些思考不過這部分我想我們會來跟衛福部來做討論可以討論吧我先提出這問題我先跟委員說明這部分其實當然都會是來自於比方說這個生育政策上面或者是生育的需求那哪些部分會需要我們在整體的工時的制度上面或休假的制度上面來去做因應跟配套\n434673\t453276\t我們還是這部分還是會跟衛福部當然我們都希望越來越寬鬆啦但你也有提到實務面實務面到底不符不符合需求這我也尊重但我希望你可以再調查一下那目前我們有看到這樣的一個需求我們都願意來再做檢視一下這方面的需求那如果可以拉長的話賠產假期日你認為可不可以再拉長\n455322\t479579\t那個我現在都不是只是單純說我認為可不可以可以或不可以我覺得我們沒有要你承諾我們都要在我們都會朝向這個方向我們都會再做一些評估好不好那你願不願意朝這個方向評估可以吧呃我們當然也這部分我們要考慮才人因為現在這個五天五天是由雇主付那兩天是由政府來補\n480998\t495928\t好那當然這個相關的補助的金額當然這個如果要拉長的話這補助的金額會要提高那我認為我們可能方方面面這個財源上考慮也要考慮進來好那我過去也蠻關心這個早產兒照護的一個問題那您過去也關心這個輕職假\n502347\t530385\t對吧是那根據國民健康署出生統計的年報顯示台灣出生率逐年下降但是早產兒的比例不降反升去年5月31我有召開一場早產兒暨友善輕職政策的一個公聽會當時會議結論早產兒的視網膜病變治療藥物納入健保已經在今年2月執行母乳的補充照物今年5月1日納入補助但是\n531165\t557665\t對於醫療照護假這個部分目前還在努力雖然對早產兒家庭而言有育嬰留職停薪有家庭照顧假有所謂的特休可以運用但對於這些早產兒的家庭我認為還是不夠要再給予更多的一些支持因為畢竟早產兒對於這個早療的次數早療的時段路程甚至有可能要跨縣市因為有些早療要跨縣市去執行\n558906\t577738\t這些問題我認為現在的天數均有所不足忽略早產兒特殊這樣子的一個狀況實際的需求對於整個早產兒的家庭而言我認為是工作以及孩子真的是特別特別的兩頭燒所以通常都會照顧到離子\n578178\t594075\t要落實現今的專報照顧不離職很難啊不只早產兒罕病家庭也面臨一樣的狀況部長對於這些家長為了照顧早產兒罕病兒的一個醫療需求因長期醫療照顧而離開的職場你認為有什麼想法\n599227\t613217\t這當然所以這我想包括早產兒或早療其實的需求其實也是我們現在在研議把暈流亭給更彈性可以讓大家有更多的價別可以來請求其中一個原因\n614500\t637541\t我還是要再次特別拜託因為我有提出性免聘等工作法的20條修正那明定受僱者子女未滿6歲有早療 罕病的一個需求可以請醫療照顧假全年以18日為限這假不記錄家庭照顧假的天數是分開的我希望你能夠獲得你的支持那您覺得呢\n640124\t654524\t我覺得我們可以綜合來思考跟評估委員的意識跟精神委員的意識跟精神我們了解但你能夠想像就是說別人的家庭突如其來有早療的孩子\n655505\t680363\t有早產的孩子甚至有所謂的寒病的孩子哇那真的是一開始就很忙碌對於新生兒措手不及還有很多要再忙那更何況是寒病更何況是需要早產需要早療的所以我希望說你今天不用答應我但我是希望說提出這樣的需求希望作為一個部長你要再次設身處地去想這件事情如果今天發生在你我\n681124\t705622\t每個人都可能發生的家庭上我們該怎麼辦我們是不是要有政府更多的支持或者是有其他的方式由勞動部來幫忙想辦法來支持早產兒 罕病家庭在這個運作維持蠟燭兩頭燒工作跟所謂的新生兒的到來這部分我希望能夠再研議可以嗎我們會重合來思考好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝部長接下來我們請\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請部長部長好 之前臨為授命擔任我們勞動部部長首要的任務是推動照顧不離職如何讓勞工不用為了照顧家庭而被迫選擇離職身為最年輕的勞動部長\n我認為你一定了解年輕家庭的需求在今年4月初我想部長也接受中央社的一個專訪那你有說育嬰留庭要更彈性好用以育為單位的請假並不容易沒有你們還沒有放棄近日將提方案及配套請問部長育嬰留庭要更彈性好用彈性指的是什麼部分有沒有規劃方向為何\n就是最早因為流停基本上它是要六個月那在110年的時候當時其實把它限縮到最短其實它可以一個月那我們認為這個最短的時間還可以再縮短日數可以再縮短那有沒有計畫要修法\n有沒有計畫要修法我們現在會先以這個不用修法的範圍裡面來做到以日為單位希望大概何時會退出我們現在其實正在跟行政院爭取相關配套的資源都會希望儘快\n好 有兩個問題先請教部長第一 產檢假從2021年7月1日開始產檢的項目已經從10次改為14次配合產檢的次數增加所以產檢假由原本的5天改成7天請問一下其他國家對於產檢假有何規定你有沒有研究過這個委員可以提\n我想這樣子喔 從過去10次的產檢 產檢價變5到現在14次的產檢 產檢價變7勞動部的思維我希望說能夠再去研究一下喔因為我個人認為現階段的產檢真的只需要半天就可以了嗎\n可能嗎?部長你覺得現在的產檢因為這部分當然我們可以再跟衛福部討論因為這個產檢的到底要多少時間的需求這主要其實是衛福部來跟我們當然當然但現在我要講的是食物面現在每一個媽媽去做產檢的時候絕大多數你認為她會請半天還請一天?\n其實多數有可能這種狀況我都聽過因為一種對啦沒有一定的數據啦但是我們認為他如果請半天真的是非常的匆忙那現階段很多的職場女性仍需要用上班日來完成產檢這無庸置疑吧部長您覺得\n應該是說就產檢架的需求到底到多大我想其實因為我自己不是這方面的專業那這個部分我們也很願意跟衛福部來做討論看他們有沒有覺得需要再延長或者是在時間調整上的需求這當然我們願意跟衛福部來討論\n我是覺得說如果還要做羊毛穿刺啊那如果家裡又是偏鄉偏遠或甚至是山區甚至不是在市中心他還要去到市中心的醫院做產檢我個人認為這樣子的一個所謂的半天根本是不夠的\n那14次的產檢產檢假7天的設計明顯不足以支應現在的產檢需求那至於孕婦要動用到市價特休甚至是影響到職場的權益跟健康所以我認為產檢假應該要以完整的一天來思考14次的產檢應該要以14天的產檢假部長你可以認同嗎\n我想委員在談的這個精神我們是了解的順便想跟你來聊一下這個賠產價那對不起因為我要聊賠產價之前我剛剛還特別搜尋一下就是Google洪森漢然後突然就跳出空格老婆然後也想一下說你有沒有另外一半那因為我自己本身就是我太太生三個啦那所以我們對這個賠產我也想跟你分享就是說\n產檢不可能就他一個人去嘛一定要有人賠產嘛對不對《信免平等工作法》實行細則第七條除賠產檢、配偶所謂在這個過程當中請假外受僱者賠產之請假其因於配偶分免之當日及前後合計十五日的期間內為之\n賠產價有使用時間的一個限制就是我剛剛說的分免的當日期前後合計15日請問部長為什麼要有15日的限制你不覺得不太合理嗎\n各位報告基本上這個部分是我們當時設計的時候一個女性如果分娩的時候假設他是用剖腹的他其實最常要待在醫院7天那我們認為說這一個假的需求是基本上是希望這個勞工可以陪伴他另外一半這個從分娩然後出院照顧新生兒\n那合理的期間因為我們不是要增加這個勞工其他的假所以希望在他最需要的時候然後合理性他的請假的這個室友所以依照實務上面來看一個女性分娩如果最常需要在醫院待7天所以前後15日是我們當時這個設計的本意\n好 那我也是想用剖腹的部分來做一個案例啦那不謀而合 但是我還是認為就是說在這個剖腹的過程喔 醫院休養的這個部分現行制度 我只有7日的陪產假嘛 剛剛你有說到然後我就要回職場了我覺得這不利於產婦的休養跟新生兒的一個照顧還有初期的忙亂\n所以七日難以充分協助產婦恢復與新生兒的照護對家庭的實際支持我認為是有限那所以部長我希望說這個分娩之當日及其前後合計15日天數能不能再拉長您可以評估看看嗎\n我想我們這部分我們可以來依照實際的需求但實際的需求我覺得我們可以再來做一些思考不過這部分我想我們會來跟衛福部來做討論可以討論吧我先提出這問題我先跟委員說明這部分其實當然都會是來自於比方說這個生育政策上面或者是生育的需求那哪些部分會需要我們在整體的工時的制度上面或休假的制度上面來去做因應跟配套\n我們還是這部分還是會跟衛福部當然我們都希望越來越寬鬆啦但你也有提到實務面實務面到底不符不符合需求這我也尊重但我希望你可以再調查一下那目前我們有看到這樣的一個需求我們都願意來再做檢視一下這方面的需求那如果可以拉長的話賠產假期日你認為可不可以再拉長\n那個我現在都不是只是單純說我認為可不可以可以或不可以我覺得我們沒有要你承諾我們都要在我們都會朝向這個方向我們都會再做一些評估好不好那你願不願意朝這個方向評估可以吧呃我們當然也這部分我們要考慮才人因為現在這個五天五天是由雇主付那兩天是由政府來補\n好那當然這個相關的補助的金額當然這個如果要拉長的話這補助的金額會要提高那我認為我們可能方方面面這個財源上考慮也要考慮進來好那我過去也蠻關心這個早產兒照護的一個問題那您過去也關心這個輕職假\n對吧是那根據國民健康署出生統計的年報顯示台灣出生率逐年下降但是早產兒的比例不降反升去年5月31我有召開一場早產兒暨友善輕職政策的一個公聽會當時會議結論早產兒的視網膜病變治療藥物納入健保已經在今年2月執行母乳的補充照物今年5月1日納入補助但是\n對於醫療照護假這個部分目前還在努力雖然對早產兒家庭而言有育嬰留職停薪有家庭照顧假有所謂的特休可以運用但對於這些早產兒的家庭我認為還是不夠要再給予更多的一些支持因為畢竟早產兒對於這個早療的次數早療的時段路程甚至有可能要跨縣市因為有些早療要跨縣市去執行\n這些問題我認為現在的天數均有所不足忽略早產兒特殊這樣子的一個狀況實際的需求對於整個早產兒的家庭而言我認為是工作以及孩子真的是特別特別的兩頭燒所以通常都會照顧到離子\n要落實現今的專報照顧不離職很難啊不只早產兒罕病家庭也面臨一樣的狀況部長對於這些家長為了照顧早產兒罕病兒的一個醫療需求因長期醫療照顧而離開的職場你認為有什麼想法\n這當然所以這我想包括早產兒或早療其實的需求其實也是我們現在在研議把暈流亭給更彈性可以讓大家有更多的價別可以來請求其中一個原因\n我還是要再次特別拜託因為我有提出性免聘等工作法的20條修正那明定受僱者子女未滿6歲有早療 罕病的一個需求可以請醫療照顧假全年以18日為限這假不記錄家庭照顧假的天數是分開的我希望你能夠獲得你的支持那您覺得呢\n我覺得我們可以綜合來思考跟評估委員的意識跟精神委員的意識跟精神我們了解但你能夠想像就是說別人的家庭突如其來有早療的孩子\n有早產的孩子甚至有所謂的寒病的孩子哇那真的是一開始就很忙碌對於新生兒措手不及還有很多要再忙那更何況是寒病更何況是需要早產需要早療的所以我希望說你今天不用答應我但我是希望說提出這樣的需求希望作為一個部長你要再次設身處地去想這件事情如果今天發生在你我\n每個人都可能發生的家庭上我們該怎麼辦我們是不是要有政府更多的支持或者是有其他的方式由勞動部來幫忙想辦法來支持早產兒 罕病家庭在這個運作維持蠟燭兩頭燒工作跟所謂的新生兒的到來這部分我希望能夠再研議可以嗎我們會重合來思考好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝部長接下來我們請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.092 --> 00:28.824\n謝謝主席有請部長部長好之前臨為授命擔任我們勞動部部長首要的任務是推動照顧不離職如何讓勞工不用為了照顧家庭而被迫選擇離職身為最年輕的勞動部長\n\n00:31.605 --> 00:58.059\n我認為你一定了解年輕家庭的需求在今年4月初我想部長也接受中央社的一個專訪那你有說育嬰留庭要更彈性好用以育為單位的請假並不容易沒有你們還沒有放棄近日將提方案及配套請問部長育嬰留庭要更彈性好用彈性指的是什麼部分有沒有規劃方向為何\n\n00:59.656 --> 01:14.491\n就是最早因為流停基本上它是要六個月那在110年的時候當時其實把它限縮到最短其實它可以一個月那我們認為這個最短的時間還可以再縮短日數可以再縮短那有沒有計畫要修法\n\n01:16.012 --> 01:32.063\n有沒有計畫要修法我們現在會先以這個不用修法的範圍裡面來做到以日為單位希望大概何時會退出我們現在其實正在跟行政院爭取相關配套的資源都會希望儘快\n\n01:33.629 --> 01:54.345\n好有兩個問題先請教部長第一產檢假從2021年7月1日開始產檢的項目已經從10次改為14次配合產檢的次數增加所以產檢假由原本的5天改成7天請問一下其他國家對於產檢假有何規定你有沒有研究過這個委員可以提\n\n01:59.175 --> 02:16.097\n我想這樣子喔從過去10次的產檢產檢價變5到現在14次的產檢產檢價變7勞動部的思維我希望說能夠再去研究一下喔因為我個人認為現階段的產檢真的只需要半天就可以了嗎\n\n02:17.708 --> 02:39.742\n可能嗎?部長你覺得現在的產檢因為這部分當然我們可以再跟衛福部討論因為這個產檢的到底要多少時間的需求這主要其實是衛福部來跟我們當然當然但現在我要講的是食物面現在每一個媽媽去做產檢的時候絕大多數你認為她會請半天還請一天?\n\n02:45.687 --> 03:02.174\n其實多數有可能這種狀況我都聽過因為一種對啦沒有一定的數據啦但是我們認為他如果請半天真的是非常的匆忙那現階段很多的職場女性仍需要用上班日來完成產檢這無庸置疑吧部長您覺得\n\n03:04.686 --> 03:19.503\n應該是說就產檢架的需求到底到多大我想其實因為我自己不是這方面的專業那這個部分我們也很願意跟衛福部來做討論看他們有沒有覺得需要再延長或者是在時間調整上的需求這當然我們願意跟衛福部來討論\n\n03:21.685 --> 03:37.182\n我是覺得說如果還要做羊毛穿刺啊那如果家裡又是偏鄉偏遠或甚至是山區甚至不是在市中心他還要去到市中心的醫院做產檢我個人認為這樣子的一個所謂的半天根本是不夠的\n\n03:38.362 --> 04:01.697\n那14次的產檢產檢假7天的設計明顯不足以支應現在的產檢需求那至於孕婦要動用到市價特休甚至是影響到職場的權益跟健康所以我認為產檢假應該要以完整的一天來思考14次的產檢應該要以14天的產檢假部長你可以認同嗎\n\n04:06.462 --> 04:34.702\n我想委員在談的這個精神我們是了解的順便想跟你來聊一下這個賠產價那對不起因為我要聊賠產價之前我剛剛還特別搜尋一下就是Google洪森漢然後突然就跳出空格老婆然後也想一下說你有沒有另外一半那因為我自己本身就是我太太生三個啦那所以我們對這個賠產我也想跟你分享就是說\n\n04:36.409 --> 05:00.257\n產檢不可能就他一個人去嘛一定要有人賠產嘛對不對《信免平等工作法》實行細則第七條除賠產檢、配偶所謂在這個過程當中請假外受僱者賠產之請假其因於配偶分免之當日及前後合計十五日的期間內為之\n\n05:02.818 --> 05:11.966\n賠產價有使用時間的一個限制就是我剛剛說的分免的當日期前後合計15日請問部長為什麼要有15日的限制你不覺得不太合理嗎\n\n05:17.722 --> 05:23.446\n各位報告基本上這個部分是我們當時設計的時候一個女性如果分娩的時候假設他是用剖腹的他其實最常要待在醫院7天那我們認為說這一個假的需求是基本上是希望這個勞工可以陪伴他另外一半這個從分娩然後出院照顧新生兒\n\n05:41.758 --> 06:01.068\n那合理的期間因為我們不是要增加這個勞工其他的假所以希望在他最需要的時候然後合理性他的請假的這個室友所以依照實務上面來看一個女性分娩如果最常需要在醫院待7天所以前後15日是我們當時這個設計的本意\n\n06:04.170 --> 06:24.180\n好那我也是想用剖腹的部分來做一個案例啦那不謀而合但是我還是認為就是說在這個剖腹的過程喔醫院休養的這個部分現行制度我只有7日的陪產假嘛剛剛你有說到然後我就要回職場了我覺得這不利於產婦的休養跟新生兒的一個照顧還有初期的忙亂\n\n06:25.641 --> 06:45.498\n所以七日難以充分協助產婦恢復與新生兒的照護對家庭的實際支持我認為是有限那所以部長我希望說這個分娩之當日及其前後合計15日天數能不能再拉長您可以評估看看嗎\n\n06:46.209 --> 07:14.213\n我想我們這部分我們可以來依照實際的需求但實際的需求我覺得我們可以再來做一些思考不過這部分我想我們會來跟衛福部來做討論可以討論吧我先提出這問題我先跟委員說明這部分其實當然都會是來自於比方說這個生育政策上面或者是生育的需求那哪些部分會需要我們在整體的工時的制度上面或休假的制度上面來去做因應跟配套\n\n07:14.673 --> 07:33.276\n我們還是這部分還是會跟衛福部當然我們都希望越來越寬鬆啦但你也有提到實務面實務面到底不符不符合需求這我也尊重但我希望你可以再調查一下那目前我們有看到這樣的一個需求我們都願意來再做檢視一下這方面的需求那如果可以拉長的話賠產假期日你認為可不可以再拉長\n\n07:35.322 --> 07:59.579\n那個我現在都不是只是單純說我認為可不可以可以或不可以我覺得我們沒有要你承諾我們都要在我們都會朝向這個方向我們都會再做一些評估好不好那你願不願意朝這個方向評估可以吧呃我們當然也這部分我們要考慮才人因為現在這個五天五天是由雇主付那兩天是由政府來補\n\n08:00.998 --> 08:15.928\n好那當然這個相關的補助的金額當然這個如果要拉長的話這補助的金額會要提高那我認為我們可能方方面面這個財源上考慮也要考慮進來好那我過去也蠻關心這個早產兒照護的一個問題那您過去也關心這個輕職假\n\n08:22.347 --> 08:50.385\n對吧是那根據國民健康署出生統計的年報顯示台灣出生率逐年下降但是早產兒的比例不降反升去年5月31我有召開一場早產兒暨友善輕職政策的一個公聽會當時會議結論早產兒的視網膜病變治療藥物納入健保已經在今年2月執行母乳的補充照物今年5月1日納入補助但是\n\n08:51.165 --> 09:17.665\n對於醫療照護假這個部分目前還在努力雖然對早產兒家庭而言有育嬰留職停薪有家庭照顧假有所謂的特休可以運用但對於這些早產兒的家庭我認為還是不夠要再給予更多的一些支持因為畢竟早產兒對於這個早療的次數早療的時段路程甚至有可能要跨縣市因為有些早療要跨縣市去執行\n\n09:18.906 --> 09:37.738\n這些問題我認為現在的天數均有所不足忽略早產兒特殊這樣子的一個狀況實際的需求對於整個早產兒的家庭而言我認為是工作以及孩子真的是特別特別的兩頭燒所以通常都會照顧到離子\n\n09:38.178 --> 09:54.075\n要落實現今的專報照顧不離職很難啊不只早產兒罕病家庭也面臨一樣的狀況部長對於這些家長為了照顧早產兒罕病兒的一個醫療需求因長期醫療照顧而離開的職場你認為有什麼想法\n\n09:59.227 --> 10:13.217\n這當然所以這我想包括早產兒或早療其實的需求其實也是我們現在在研議把暈流亭給更彈性可以讓大家有更多的價別可以來請求其中一個原因\n\n10:14.500 --> 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