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00:01:43,413\n英國的OneWeb也是另外一個他們提供的服務也相當成熟而我們台灣現在說在短期之間我們要對於這個六個通訊衛星的本體來做製造來去掌握關鍵的籌載技術然後甚至火箭的發射能力還有稀缺的所謂的frequency也就是所謂的頻譜上資源的分配我們要從這邊獲得競爭優勢老實講我覺得個人覺得蠻困難的啦尤其說我們現在只是部署六顆\n\n5\n00:01:44,954 --> 00:02:10,830\n實驗性的衛星然後我們培養兩家系統整合商然後我們在沒有明確的應用市場國際之間我們並沒有明確應用市場也沒有本土的需求支持之下我們花這一筆錢下去讓廠商練練兵累積經驗那是不是這個無法轉成實質上產業價值呢我想請問副主委謝謝委員那基本上來講我們在推動低軌道衛星的時候的確有考慮到委員所講的但是委員也知道台灣在半導體\n\n6\n00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:36,683\n還有一些製造業其實是非常強的尤其是ICT的產業其實我們是打算讓台灣變成未來變成一個衛星的ODM的產業也就是說我們具有這個設計跟那個製造的這個能力能夠打入國際在低軌道衛星的產業鏈那為什麼呢因為其實低軌道衛星它的壽命很短大概都五到十年大概就要整批換官所以台灣現在利用我們既有的產業的優勢是在這個\n\n7\n00:02:38,624 --> 00:03:05,842\n低軌道衛星的發展我們是未來是會有具有相當的優勢所以我們的策略是這個樣子你剛剛講到這一點因為我們在報告裡面看到你們現在是停留在所謂的技術驗證平台並沒有說主動說跟聯發科跟鴻海這些指標性大廠做出整合性的做出整合性的生物的整合而且更現實的是說你們要用在哪裡你們要用什麼因為老實講應用有很多不同方面尤其是太空\n\n8\n00:03:06,723 --> 00:03:24,535\n太空知識的太空產業的這個衛星的運用有很多方面你們要focus在哪一塊你不能只是說單單純純說OK今天我要發展衛星我要做低軌道衛星但是針對哪一個方面的應用你們並沒有講得很清楚就是說因為台灣有鴻海因為台灣有聯發科所以我們就要發展出來\n\n9\n00:03:25,956 --> 00:03:31,519\n其實我想低軌道通訊衛星的籌載這個全世界現在還在激勵發展像我想美國是最領先的我想根據台灣過去發展ICT跟半導體\n\n10\n00:03:45,345 --> 00:04:05,755\n這一個產業的經驗台灣其實扮演一個很重要的ODM台灣有非常完整的ODM的生態系其實我們的著眼點就是想要往這個方向所以我們要很多驗證的平台來達到這樣然後可以打入全世界整個太空產業的生態鏈我想這是我們最重要要做的事情\n\n11\n00:04:06,195 --> 00:04:33,377\n那講到生態鏈講到太空產業的話那我想請問一下有沒有具體的建設計畫跟時間表歐盟有所謂的哥白尼計畫所謂叫這個CopernicusProgram那台灣是不是也有相似的東西用多顆的低軌衛星所組成的星座來確保覆蓋範圍跟通信任性呢有沒有目前有這樣的計畫這是從直接應用的角度因為要維持一個台灣如果24小時不斷\n\n12\n00:04:34,659 --> 00:04:49,300\n這個大概要一百到兩百顆左右台灣這個我想在資源上但是基本上的這一個低軌道通訊衛星的籌載的技術不好意思這就是我要提的台灣單獨要去做出這樣的大型計畫其實很困難沒有沒有\n\n13\n00:04:49,921 --> 00:05:13,275\n真的非常困難我想這件事情我們必須務實的來看到這個投入這個成本在我們應用的方向不明確之前投資的成本巨大的時候那我們現在其實如果比較務實一點是否應該直接跟日本跟澳洲甚至美國來去直接做資源共享來提升技術來去說真正務實的強化所謂的合作戰略關係呢\n\n14\n00:05:15,336 --> 00:05:23,025\n因為說真的我們現在為了要發衛星所以我們變成一筆錢我們發上去之後我們不知道幹嘛用我們只是想說試試看因為我們的ICT夠強\n\n15\n00:05:27,269 --> 00:05:48,448\n各位我們錢不能這樣亂花吧那我們總是說好把它拉回來如果你要做衛星產業你要做低軌衛星產業至少應用模式你要給地方的知道啊那你這個最後面如果說你現在完全沒有這方面的計畫譬如說我是基隆的委員我是基隆的立委那是不是衛星的未來查到的東西可以跟基隆的海洋產業做配合\n\n16\n00:05:49,068 --> 00:06:13,210\n那這邊有屏東的立委是在屏東沒有做那屏東是不是那邊的聚落是不是能做得起來現在我們製造所有太空的東西不是在中央大學就在中央研究院然後你現在說慢慢把東西放到屏東去那邊的整個產業鏈夠嗎不是說什麼地方我們看到美國Houston可以這樣成功我們把東西丟過去我們就可以成功我不知道林副主委認不認同我這樣的想法有沒有經過考慮說這是要製造一個園區\n\n17\n00:06:16,850 --> 00:06:29,212\n而且這是一個資金密集的園區美國NASA是說真的STARLINK是因為是私人去做所以他們有效率美國NASA其實當年是被人家稱為最沒有效率的機構之一\n\n18\n00:06:31,147 --> 00:06:52,838\n火箭幾十年都長得一樣直到馬斯克出來那我們是不是再重新再走一次當初NASA走過的錯路呢請教林副主委我們在未來在這個屏東科技園區裡面會有一個太空的專區然後會把一些相關的產業會往那邊聚集那在這個未來應用的部分我請吳主任\n\n19\n00:06:54,563 --> 00:07:19,805\n其實我剛可能我再講一下就是有關於這個低軌通訊衛星我們現在是在走遠在整個技術系統的發展然後達到整個我們有辦法做系統設計跟製造能力我們這樣然後經過飛視我們拿到飛行履歷才有辦法打入全世界的太空產業的供應鏈我舉個例子從前年到去年\n\n20\n00:07:20,365 --> 00:07:49,447\n我們在衛星製造部已經有八十幾億跳成兩倍在去年已經達到一百七十幾億從這個趨勢就看出來台灣逐漸在成為全世界很重要的衛星的製造產業裡面的一環我們要更進一步提升大概都是OEM我們想把它提升到ODM就像台灣現在的網通事業一樣可以就是你給我系統規格我有辦法把你設計跟製造出來我想這是台灣台灣的國家不是很大我們沒辦法\n\n21\n00:07:50,728 --> 00:08:06,875\n單獨可能很難自己單獨維持一個很大的星鏈但是國家的需求我們的策略除了剛剛一直在我們其實是MatiOrbit各位可以看到中華電信他們今年底有跟美國購買一顆同步衛星它今年底就會發射\n\n22\n00:08:08,355 --> 00:08:33,516\n所以我們的佈局整個台灣國家的佈局是除了高軌還有低軌中軌像這個蘇化部也有SES所以我們整個應用的需求會先去照顧但是我們同時平行的我們國內產業的技術發展未來太空產業非常重要把它拉進到全世界的整個太空產業的一環這是我們的策略跟目標\n\n23\n00:08:33,996 --> 00:08:50,993\n我必須在這邊還是提醒國科會在發展這個在這些衛星計畫裡面尤其是低軌通信衛星計畫裡面要真的注重到地方產業是否也有需求因為你現在講了一堆說我們就是要做像國外做我們跟全世界要競爭我們有競爭優勢可是不見得我們一定會贏\n\n24\n00:08:53,174 --> 00:09:09,190\n這樣講好像說我們只要製造出來ODM製造出來我們就一定會營養It'snotgonnabethateasy可是如果比較務實一點除了這個之外我們的低軌通訊衛星我一直在強調低軌通訊衛星這一塊因為它實際上可以跟海洋產業不管是漁業也好很多地方是可以連結起來的\n\n25\n00:09:10,231 --> 00:09:30,287\n那這邊的data會是未來大數據計算甚至就去所謂的去觀察漁群是去設計很多不同的像海上上面的這些有價值的資源開發的時候可以用的所以這一點我想說請國會會如果在低軌通信衛星上面這邊來講特別要注意這樣能夠實質上扶植到地方跟我們國內的產業是是謝謝是謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6909\t28639\t好謝謝主席有請林副主委林副主委請林委員好副主委好針對這份報告裡面其實我是認為說太空產業的發展在台灣是有其的必要性但是這份報告裡面我覺得有這五大項裡面有兩大項我覺得我想有些疑問想就教我們的副主委\n29259\t43676\t第一個就是有關低軌通訊衛星的案子也就是說我的第一個疑問是說我們是不是已經在重複投資在一個國際上面其實已經有完整生態系而且競爭非常慘烈非常激烈的產業呢\n45209\t73748\t為什麼這樣說 我們都知道STARLINK甚至後面有STARSHALE這是在SpaceX 就是馬斯克的一個大企劃裡面下來的而STARLINK也能夠講起來它的COVERAGE它整個廣泛的範圍已經到全球基本上它可以提供全球大眾大家上網的能力也就是說STARLINK的COVERAGE已經到全球的時候我們台灣也是其中之一只是看它開不開放那另外一方面 ONEWEB\n74934\t103413\t英國的OneWeb也是另外一個他們提供的服務也相當成熟而我們台灣現在說在短期之間我們要對於這個六個通訊衛星的本體來做製造來去掌握關鍵的籌載技術然後甚至火箭的發射能力還有稀缺的所謂的frequency也就是所謂的頻譜上資源的分配我們要從這邊獲得競爭優勢老實講我覺得個人覺得蠻困難的啦尤其說我們現在只是部署六顆\n104954\t130830\t實驗性的衛星然後我們培養兩家系統整合商然後我們在沒有明確的應用市場國際之間我們並沒有明確應用市場也沒有本土的需求支持之下我們花這一筆錢下去讓廠商練練兵 累積經驗那是不是這個無法轉成實質上產業價值呢我想請問副主委謝謝委員那基本上來講我們在推動低軌道衛星的時候的確有考慮到委員所講的但是委員也知道台灣在半導體\n131690\t156683\t還有一些製造業其實是非常強的尤其是ICT的產業其實我們是打算讓台灣變成未來變成一個衛星的ODM的產業也就是說我們具有這個設計跟那個製造的這個能力能夠打入國際在低軌道衛星的產業鏈那為什麼呢因為其實低軌道衛星它的壽命很短大概都五到十年大概就要整批換官所以台灣現在利用我們既有的產業的優勢是在這個\n158624\t185842\t低軌道衛星的發展我們是未來是會有具有相當的優勢所以我們的策略是這個樣子你剛剛講到這一點因為我們在報告裡面看到你們現在是停留在所謂的技術驗證平台並沒有說主動說跟聯發科跟鴻海這些指標性大廠做出整合性的做出整合性的生物的整合而且更現實的是說你們要用在哪裡你們要用什麼因為老實講應用有很多不同方面尤其是太空\n186723\t204535\t太空知識的太空產業的這個衛星的運用有很多方面你們要focus在哪一塊你不能只是說單單純純說OK今天我要發展衛星我要做低軌道衛星但是針對哪一個方面的應用你們並沒有講得很清楚就是說因為台灣有鴻海因為台灣有聯發科所以我們就要發展出來\n205956\t211519\t其實我想低軌道通訊衛星的籌載這個全世界現在還在激勵發展像我想美國是最領先的我想根據台灣過去發展ICT跟半導體\n225345\t245755\t這一個產業的經驗台灣其實扮演一個很重要的ODM台灣有非常完整的ODM的生態系其實我們的著眼點就是想要往這個方向所以我們要很多驗證的平台來達到這樣然後可以打入全世界整個太空產業的生態鏈我想這是我們最重要要做的事情\n246195\t273377\t那講到生態鏈 講到太空產業的話那我想請問一下有沒有具體的建設計畫跟時間表歐盟有所謂的哥白尼計畫所謂叫這個 Copernicus Program那台灣是不是也有相似的東西用多顆的低軌衛星所組成的星座來確保覆蓋範圍跟通信任性呢有沒有目前有這樣的計畫這是從直接應用的角度因為要維持一個台灣如果24小時不斷\n274659\t289300\t這個大概要一百到兩百顆左右台灣這個我想在資源上但是基本上的這一個低軌道通訊衛星的籌載的技術不好意思這就是我要提的台灣單獨要去做出這樣的大型計畫其實很困難沒有沒有\n289921\t313275\t真的非常困難我想這件事情我們必須務實的來看到這個投入這個成本在我們應用的方向不明確之前投資的成本巨大的時候那我們現在其實如果比較務實一點是否應該直接跟日本跟澳洲甚至美國來去直接做資源共享來提升技術來去說真正務實的強化所謂的合作戰略關係呢\n315336\t323025\t因為說真的我們現在為了要發衛星所以我們變成一筆錢我們發上去之後我們不知道幹嘛用我們只是想說試試看因為我們的ICT夠強\n327269\t348448\t各位我們錢不能這樣亂花吧那我們總是說好把它拉回來如果你要做衛星產業你要做低軌衛星產業至少應用模式你要給地方的知道啊那你這個最後面如果說你現在完全沒有這方面的計畫譬如說我是基隆的委員我是基隆的立委那是不是衛星的未來查到的東西可以跟基隆的海洋產業做配合\n349068\t373210\t那這邊有屏東的立委是在屏東沒有做那屏東是不是那邊的聚落是不是能做得起來現在我們製造所有太空的東西不是在中央大學就在中央研究院然後你現在說慢慢把東西放到屏東去那邊的整個產業鏈夠嗎不是說什麼地方我們看到美國Houston可以這樣成功我們把東西丟過去我們就可以成功我不知道林副主委認不認同我這樣的想法有沒有經過考慮說這是要製造一個園區\n376850\t389212\t而且這是一個資金密集的園區美國NASA是說真的STARLINK是因為是私人去做所以他們有效率美國NASA其實當年是被人家稱為最沒有效率的機構之一\n391147\t412838\t火箭幾十年都長得一樣直到馬斯克出來那我們是不是再重新再走一次當初NASA走過的錯路呢請教林副主委我們在未來在這個屏東科技園區裡面會有一個太空的專區然後會把一些相關的產業會往那邊聚集那在這個未來應用的部分我請吳主任\n414563\t439805\t其實我剛可能我再講一下就是有關於這個低軌通訊衛星我們現在是在走遠在整個技術系統的發展然後達到整個我們有辦法做系統設計跟製造能力我們這樣然後經過飛視我們拿到飛行履歷才有辦法打入全世界的太空產業的供應鏈我舉個例子從前年到去年\n440365\t469447\t我們在衛星製造部已經有八十幾億跳成兩倍在去年已經達到一百七十幾億從這個趨勢就看出來台灣逐漸在成為全世界很重要的衛星的製造產業裡面的一環我們要更進一步提升大概都是OEM我們想把它提升到ODM就像台灣現在的網通事業一樣可以就是你給我系統規格我有辦法把你設計跟製造出來我想這是台灣台灣的國家不是很大我們沒辦法\n470728\t486875\t單獨 可能很難自己單獨維持一個很大的星鏈但是國家的需求我們的策略除了剛剛一直在我們其實是Mati Orbit各位可以看到中華電信他們今年底有跟美國購買一顆同步衛星它今年底就會發射\n488355\t513516\t所以我們的佈局 整個台灣國家的佈局是除了高軌還有低軌 中軌像這個蘇化部也有SES所以我們整個應用的需求會先去照顧但是我們同時平行的我們國內產業的技術發展未來太空產業非常重要把它拉進到全世界的整個太空產業的一環這是我們的策略跟目標\n513996\t530993\t我必須在這邊還是提醒國科會在發展這個在這些衛星計畫裡面尤其是低軌通信衛星計畫裡面要真的注重到地方產業是否也有需求因為你現在講了一堆說我們就是要做像國外做我們跟全世界要競爭我們有競爭優勢可是不見得我們一定會贏\n533174\t549190\t這樣講好像說我們只要製造出來ODM製造出來我們就一定會營養It's not gonna be that easy可是如果比較務實一點除了這個之外我們的低軌通訊衛星我一直在強調低軌通訊衛星這一塊因為它實際上可以跟海洋產業不管是漁業也好很多地方是可以連結起來的\n550231\t570287\t那這邊的data會是未來大數據計算甚至就去所謂的去觀察漁群是去設計很多不同的像海上上面的這些有價值的資源開發的時候可以用的所以這一點我想說請國會會如果在低軌通信衛星上面這邊來講特別要注意這樣能夠實質上扶植到地方跟我們國內的產業是是謝謝是謝謝委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席有請林副主委林副主委請林委員好副主委好針對這份報告裡面其實我是認為說太空產業的發展在台灣是有其的必要性但是這份報告裡面我覺得有這五大項裡面有兩大項我覺得我想有些疑問想就教我們的副主委\n第一個就是有關低軌通訊衛星的案子也就是說我的第一個疑問是說我們是不是已經在重複投資在一個國際上面其實已經有完整生態系而且競爭非常慘烈非常激烈的產業呢\n為什麼這樣說 我們都知道STARLINK甚至後面有STARSHALE這是在SpaceX 就是馬斯克的一個大企劃裡面下來的而STARLINK也能夠講起來它的COVERAGE它整個廣泛的範圍已經到全球基本上它可以提供全球大眾大家上網的能力也就是說STARLINK的COVERAGE已經到全球的時候我們台灣也是其中之一只是看它開不開放那另外一方面 ONEWEB\n英國的OneWeb也是另外一個他們提供的服務也相當成熟而我們台灣現在說在短期之間我們要對於這個六個通訊衛星的本體來做製造來去掌握關鍵的籌載技術然後甚至火箭的發射能力還有稀缺的所謂的frequency也就是所謂的頻譜上資源的分配我們要從這邊獲得競爭優勢老實講我覺得個人覺得蠻困難的啦尤其說我們現在只是部署六顆\n實驗性的衛星然後我們培養兩家系統整合商然後我們在沒有明確的應用市場國際之間我們並沒有明確應用市場也沒有本土的需求支持之下我們花這一筆錢下去讓廠商練練兵 累積經驗那是不是這個無法轉成實質上產業價值呢我想請問副主委謝謝委員那基本上來講我們在推動低軌道衛星的時候的確有考慮到委員所講的但是委員也知道台灣在半導體\n還有一些製造業其實是非常強的尤其是ICT的產業其實我們是打算讓台灣變成未來變成一個衛星的ODM的產業也就是說我們具有這個設計跟那個製造的這個能力能夠打入國際在低軌道衛星的產業鏈那為什麼呢因為其實低軌道衛星它的壽命很短大概都五到十年大概就要整批換官所以台灣現在利用我們既有的產業的優勢是在這個\n低軌道衛星的發展我們是未來是會有具有相當的優勢所以我們的策略是這個樣子你剛剛講到這一點因為我們在報告裡面看到你們現在是停留在所謂的技術驗證平台並沒有說主動說跟聯發科跟鴻海這些指標性大廠做出整合性的做出整合性的生物的整合而且更現實的是說你們要用在哪裡你們要用什麼因為老實講應用有很多不同方面尤其是太空\n太空知識的太空產業的這個衛星的運用有很多方面你們要focus在哪一塊你不能只是說單單純純說OK今天我要發展衛星我要做低軌道衛星但是針對哪一個方面的應用你們並沒有講得很清楚就是說因為台灣有鴻海因為台灣有聯發科所以我們就要發展出來\n其實我想低軌道通訊衛星的籌載這個全世界現在還在激勵發展像我想美國是最領先的我想根據台灣過去發展ICT跟半導體\n這一個產業的經驗台灣其實扮演一個很重要的ODM台灣有非常完整的ODM的生態系其實我們的著眼點就是想要往這個方向所以我們要很多驗證的平台來達到這樣然後可以打入全世界整個太空產業的生態鏈我想這是我們最重要要做的事情\n那講到生態鏈 講到太空產業的話那我想請問一下有沒有具體的建設計畫跟時間表歐盟有所謂的哥白尼計畫所謂叫這個 Copernicus Program那台灣是不是也有相似的東西用多顆的低軌衛星所組成的星座來確保覆蓋範圍跟通信任性呢有沒有目前有這樣的計畫這是從直接應用的角度因為要維持一個台灣如果24小時不斷\n這個大概要一百到兩百顆左右台灣這個我想在資源上但是基本上的這一個低軌道通訊衛星的籌載的技術不好意思這就是我要提的台灣單獨要去做出這樣的大型計畫其實很困難沒有沒有\n真的非常困難我想這件事情我們必須務實的來看到這個投入這個成本在我們應用的方向不明確之前投資的成本巨大的時候那我們現在其實如果比較務實一點是否應該直接跟日本跟澳洲甚至美國來去直接做資源共享來提升技術來去說真正務實的強化所謂的合作戰略關係呢\n因為說真的我們現在為了要發衛星所以我們變成一筆錢我們發上去之後我們不知道幹嘛用我們只是想說試試看因為我們的ICT夠強\n各位我們錢不能這樣亂花吧那我們總是說好把它拉回來如果你要做衛星產業你要做低軌衛星產業至少應用模式你要給地方的知道啊那你這個最後面如果說你現在完全沒有這方面的計畫譬如說我是基隆的委員我是基隆的立委那是不是衛星的未來查到的東西可以跟基隆的海洋產業做配合\n那這邊有屏東的立委是在屏東沒有做那屏東是不是那邊的聚落是不是能做得起來現在我們製造所有太空的東西不是在中央大學就在中央研究院然後你現在說慢慢把東西放到屏東去那邊的整個產業鏈夠嗎不是說什麼地方我們看到美國Houston可以這樣成功我們把東西丟過去我們就可以成功我不知道林副主委認不認同我這樣的想法有沒有經過考慮說這是要製造一個園區\n而且這是一個資金密集的園區美國NASA是說真的STARLINK是因為是私人去做所以他們有效率美國NASA其實當年是被人家稱為最沒有效率的機構之一\n火箭幾十年都長得一樣直到馬斯克出來那我們是不是再重新再走一次當初NASA走過的錯路呢請教林副主委我們在未來在這個屏東科技園區裡面會有一個太空的專區然後會把一些相關的產業會往那邊聚集那在這個未來應用的部分我請吳主任\n其實我剛可能我再講一下就是有關於這個低軌通訊衛星我們現在是在走遠在整個技術系統的發展然後達到整個我們有辦法做系統設計跟製造能力我們這樣然後經過飛視我們拿到飛行履歷才有辦法打入全世界的太空產業的供應鏈我舉個例子從前年到去年\n我們在衛星製造部已經有八十幾億跳成兩倍在去年已經達到一百七十幾億從這個趨勢就看出來台灣逐漸在成為全世界很重要的衛星的製造產業裡面的一環我們要更進一步提升大概都是OEM我們想把它提升到ODM就像台灣現在的網通事業一樣可以就是你給我系統規格我有辦法把你設計跟製造出來我想這是台灣台灣的國家不是很大我們沒辦法\n單獨 可能很難自己單獨維持一個很大的星鏈但是國家的需求我們的策略除了剛剛一直在我們其實是Mati Orbit各位可以看到中華電信他們今年底有跟美國購買一顆同步衛星它今年底就會發射\n所以我們的佈局 整個台灣國家的佈局是除了高軌還有低軌 中軌像這個蘇化部也有SES所以我們整個應用的需求會先去照顧但是我們同時平行的我們國內產業的技術發展未來太空產業非常重要把它拉進到全世界的整個太空產業的一環這是我們的策略跟目標\n我必須在這邊還是提醒國科會在發展這個在這些衛星計畫裡面尤其是低軌通信衛星計畫裡面要真的注重到地方產業是否也有需求因為你現在講了一堆說我們就是要做像國外做我們跟全世界要競爭我們有競爭優勢可是不見得我們一定會贏\n這樣講好像說我們只要製造出來ODM製造出來我們就一定會營養It's not gonna be that easy可是如果比較務實一點除了這個之外我們的低軌通訊衛星我一直在強調低軌通訊衛星這一塊因為它實際上可以跟海洋產業不管是漁業也好很多地方是可以連結起來的\n那這邊的data會是未來大數據計算甚至就去所謂的去觀察漁群是去設計很多不同的像海上上面的這些有價值的資源開發的時候可以用的所以這一點我想說請國會會如果在低軌通信衛星上面這邊來講特別要注意這樣能夠實質上扶植到地方跟我們國內的產業是是謝謝是謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.909 --> 00:28.639\n好謝謝主席有請林副主委林副主委請林委員好副主委好針對這份報告裡面其實我是認為說太空產業的發展在台灣是有其的必要性但是這份報告裡面我覺得有這五大項裡面有兩大項我覺得我想有些疑問想就教我們的副主委\n\n00:29.259 --> 00:43.676\n第一個就是有關低軌通訊衛星的案子也就是說我的第一個疑問是說我們是不是已經在重複投資在一個國際上面其實已經有完整生態系而且競爭非常慘烈非常激烈的產業呢\n\n00:45.209 --> 01:13.748\n為什麼這樣說我們都知道STARLINK甚至後面有STARSHALE這是在SpaceX就是馬斯克的一個大企劃裡面下來的而STARLINK也能夠講起來它的COVERAGE它整個廣泛的範圍已經到全球基本上它可以提供全球大眾大家上網的能力也就是說STARLINK的COVERAGE已經到全球的時候我們台灣也是其中之一只是看它開不開放那另外一方面ONEWEB\n\n01:14.934 --> 01:43.413\n英國的OneWeb也是另外一個他們提供的服務也相當成熟而我們台灣現在說在短期之間我們要對於這個六個通訊衛星的本體來做製造來去掌握關鍵的籌載技術然後甚至火箭的發射能力還有稀缺的所謂的frequency也就是所謂的頻譜上資源的分配我們要從這邊獲得競爭優勢老實講我覺得個人覺得蠻困難的啦尤其說我們現在只是部署六顆\n\n01:44.954 --> 02:10.830\n實驗性的衛星然後我們培養兩家系統整合商然後我們在沒有明確的應用市場國際之間我們並沒有明確應用市場也沒有本土的需求支持之下我們花這一筆錢下去讓廠商練練兵累積經驗那是不是這個無法轉成實質上產業價值呢我想請問副主委謝謝委員那基本上來講我們在推動低軌道衛星的時候的確有考慮到委員所講的但是委員也知道台灣在半導體\n\n02:11.690 --> 02:36.683\n還有一些製造業其實是非常強的尤其是ICT的產業其實我們是打算讓台灣變成未來變成一個衛星的ODM的產業也就是說我們具有這個設計跟那個製造的這個能力能夠打入國際在低軌道衛星的產業鏈那為什麼呢因為其實低軌道衛星它的壽命很短大概都五到十年大概就要整批換官所以台灣現在利用我們既有的產業的優勢是在這個\n\n02:38.624 --> 03:05.842\n低軌道衛星的發展我們是未來是會有具有相當的優勢所以我們的策略是這個樣子你剛剛講到這一點因為我們在報告裡面看到你們現在是停留在所謂的技術驗證平台並沒有說主動說跟聯發科跟鴻海這些指標性大廠做出整合性的做出整合性的生物的整合而且更現實的是說你們要用在哪裡你們要用什麼因為老實講應用有很多不同方面尤其是太空\n\n03:06.723 --> 03:24.535\n太空知識的太空產業的這個衛星的運用有很多方面你們要focus在哪一塊你不能只是說單單純純說OK今天我要發展衛星我要做低軌道衛星但是針對哪一個方面的應用你們並沒有講得很清楚就是說因為台灣有鴻海因為台灣有聯發科所以我們就要發展出來\n\n03:25.956 --> 03:31.519\n其實我想低軌道通訊衛星的籌載這個全世界現在還在激勵發展像我想美國是最領先的我想根據台灣過去發展ICT跟半導體\n\n03:45.345 --> 04:05.755\n這一個產業的經驗台灣其實扮演一個很重要的ODM台灣有非常完整的ODM的生態系其實我們的著眼點就是想要往這個方向所以我們要很多驗證的平台來達到這樣然後可以打入全世界整個太空產業的生態鏈我想這是我們最重要要做的事情\n\n04:06.195 --> 04:33.377\n那講到生態鏈講到太空產業的話那我想請問一下有沒有具體的建設計畫跟時間表歐盟有所謂的哥白尼計畫所謂叫這個CopernicusProgram那台灣是不是也有相似的東西用多顆的低軌衛星所組成的星座來確保覆蓋範圍跟通信任性呢有沒有目前有這樣的計畫這是從直接應用的角度因為要維持一個台灣如果24小時不斷\n\n04:34.659 --> 04:49.300\n這個大概要一百到兩百顆左右台灣這個我想在資源上但是基本上的這一個低軌道通訊衛星的籌載的技術不好意思這就是我要提的台灣單獨要去做出這樣的大型計畫其實很困難沒有沒有\n\n04:49.921 --> 05:13.275\n真的非常困難我想這件事情我們必須務實的來看到這個投入這個成本在我們應用的方向不明確之前投資的成本巨大的時候那我們現在其實如果比較務實一點是否應該直接跟日本跟澳洲甚至美國來去直接做資源共享來提升技術來去說真正務實的強化所謂的合作戰略關係呢\n\n05:15.336 --> 05:23.025\n因為說真的我們現在為了要發衛星所以我們變成一筆錢我們發上去之後我們不知道幹嘛用我們只是想說試試看因為我們的ICT夠強\n\n05:27.269 --> 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Programme），臺灣是不是也有相似的東西，用多顆低軌衛星所組成的星座來確保覆蓋範圍及分封性韌性呢？目前有沒有這樣的計畫？"],["吳主任宗信：這是從直接應用的角度，因為如果要維持臺灣24小時不斷，大概要一百到兩百顆左右，臺灣在資源上……但是基本上，這個低軌道通訊衛星的酬載技術現在還沒有……"],["林委員沛祥：這就是我要提的，臺灣單獨要去做出這樣的大型計畫其實很困難、真的非常困難。我想這件事我們必須務實來看到……"],["吳主任宗信：對，沒錯。"],["林委員沛祥：至於投入成本，當我們的應用方向不明確之前，投資成本巨大的時候，我們現在如果比較務實一點，是否應該直接跟日本、澳洲、甚至美國去做資源共享、提升技術，真正務實地強化所謂的合作戰略關係呢？說真的，我們現在看到的是我們為了要發衛星，所以編了一筆錢，發上去之後，卻不知道幹嘛用，只是想試試看，因為我們的ICT夠強。各位，我們錢不能這樣亂花吧！","拉回來，如果要做衛星產業、要做低軌衛星產業，至少應用模式要給地方知道，如果我們現在完全沒有這方面的計畫，譬如我是基隆的立委，未來衛星查到的東西是不是可以跟基隆的海洋產業做配合？這邊也有屏東的立委，發射場是設在屏東沒有錯，屏東那邊的聚落是不是能做得起來？現在我們知道所有太空的東西不是在中央大學，就是在中央研究院，然後你現在冒然把東西放到屏東，那邊的整個產業鏈夠嗎？不是我們看到美國Houston可以這樣成功，我們把東西丟過去，我們就可以成功，我不知道林副主委認不認同我這樣的想法？有沒有經過考慮，考慮這是要製造一個園區，而且這是一個資金密集的園區？說真的，美國的Starlink因為是私人去做，所以有效率，美國NASA其實當年是被人家稱為最沒有效率的機構之一，它的火箭幾十年都長得一樣，直到馬斯克出來，那我們是不是重新再走一次當初NASA走過的錯路呢？請教林副主委。"],["林副主任委員法正：未來在這個屏東科技園區裡面會有一個太空的專區，我們會把一些相關產業往那邊聚集，在未來應用的部分，我請吳主任說明。"],["吳主任宗信：我再講一下，有關於低軌通訊衛星，我們現在是著眼在整個技術系統的發展，達到我們有辦法做整個系統的設計及製造能力，然後經過飛試，拿到飛行履歷，我們才有辦法打入全世界太空產業的供應鏈。","我舉個例子，從前年到去年，我們在衛星製造部分已經由八十幾億跳成兩倍，去年已經達到一百七十幾億，從這個趨勢就看出來，臺灣逐漸在成為全世界很重要的衛星製造產業裡面的一環，我們要更進一步提升，現在大概都是OEM，我們想把它提升到ODM，就像臺灣現在的網通事業一樣，就是給我系統規格，我有辦法設計及製造出來。","臺灣不是很大，我們可能很難自己單獨maintain一個很大的星鏈，但是國家的需求、我們的策略除了剛剛一直在講的，還有我們其實是Multi 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easy。如果比較務實一點，除了這個之外，我們的低軌通訊衛星，我一直在強調低軌通訊衛星這一塊，因為它實質上可以跟海洋產業、不管是漁業也好，很多地方是可以連結起來的，包括未來大數據的計算，甚至去觀察漁群、去設計很多不同的東西在開發海上面有價值的資源是可以用的，這一點我想請國科會在低軌通訊衛星上面要特別注意，這樣才能夠實質上扶植到地方及國內的產業。"],["林副主任委員法正：是。"],["林委員沛祥：謝謝。"],["林副主任委員法正：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝林沛祥委員，副主委請回。","接下來請鍾佳濱委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":378,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-16","speakers":["林宜瑾","萬美玲","葛如鈞","劉書彬","吳沛憶","陳秀寳","謝龍介","張雅琳","郭昱晴","葉元之","羅廷瑋","范雲","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","林沛祥","鍾佳濱","黃國昌","徐富癸","柯志恩"],"page_start":329,"meetingDate":["2025-06-18"],"gazette_id":"1146001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146001_00011"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家科學及技術委員會副主任委員林法正列席，就「競逐太空：國科會太空科技發展布局與\n未來藍圖」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1146001_00015"}}}