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那企業才比較有可能吧 土地對就是說他其實他自己要去找到這空間所以他的門檻會比較高所以因為這樣所以我們才設定了這四五個其實他都可以來去提升這個育兒的友善程度的做法那的確現在比較多的還是是這個託兒津貼的部分比較多\n那這個托兒津貼是說 雇主他有先提供我們勞工朋友還有這個托兒津貼那我們在補助嗎 還是怎麼樣是目前是這樣子是那補助相對補助比例是怎麼樣\n比例的部分大概是大概就是他如果提供這個勞工大概一萬塊那可能會是三千塊到四千塊這樣這個比如說一萬塊我們補貼三千到四千就對了那應該是給這個勞工吧\n因為這是雇主付給勞工了嘛所以我們是鼓勵雇主所以是補助雇主來做這件事情所以是補助雇主就對了不是補貼給我們的這個勞工朋友雇主已經他願意他來做這件事情我們可以托於補助就是說他如果他那個補助一萬那我們再補貼他三四千塊就對了\n是那個勞工的部分的話其實他另外走的包括我們衛福部有一些育兒津貼的那個部分所以我們這個就是鼓勵雇主就對了那我請問一下像這個就是我們企業的這個友善職場這個有沒有列入這個ESG的這個考核啊比如說這個社會責任這部分有列入ESG的考核嗎友善職場的部分\n社會責任的部分我們有跟經管會做一些建議那另外的話在我們本部有辦理一個工作生活平衡的這個相關的獎項還有包括勞動力發展署有一些相關的獎項我們會列入這邊的獎項的平和我是認為說這個有很多是大企業那當然有很多算是歸公司我認為是可以列入USG的考核\n這部分我們來跟金管會討論對啊來跟金管會討論一下我想這部分我們可以來討論如果他願意這個就是我們把提供我們這個這一個友善的這一個職場的確應該值得鼓勵嘛好不好那老問題了啦上次也問過這個部長就是有關這個家庭照顧假還有這個營業留庭\n這個上次大概是半個月問的嘛那不曉得這半個月來因為有一些是不用透過修法就可以來做處理的家庭照顧假也可以啊然後這個暈流停也可以那目前有沒有比較一個完整的一個措施因為你上次我本來想說下一個會期你們能夠提出來你還說你可以提早我不曉得這個時間可不可以再提早\n我有一個確確的日期我們還是希望在下個我們現在還是希望在下個會期前我們可以把這個方案來跟大家說明那大概方向啦比如說像上次我問的就是說那個家庭照顧家希望用小時用這個小時來停然後呢這個運營流停呢那我們希望說用日這個來停那大概方向是不是是朝這個方向來做基本上都是這樣不管是照我家照價\n或者是運流停能夠更彈性可以請的申請的時間可以更短我們都是朝這個方向在進行但是現在的重點是配套規劃的嚴厲因為\n我必須跟您坦白說因為台灣的中小企業多所以當今天正合的這些休假的制度其實常常對於大的企業來說問題比較不大比方說如果對於那些中小微的企業它如果是30人以下10人以下的時候它在人力上面的調度真的會比較辛苦\n所以我們其實也是必須要為這件事情的配套爭取一些資源然後怎麼樣來協助這個企業能夠來因應就是說如果今天我們都這個這個彈性其實基本上是勞工需要彈性因為過去我們常常彈性其實常常是有企業他為了排班或生產的彈性這部分是勞工需要彈性我們現在希望企業更大來包容勞工需要的職場彈性的時候我們政府可以怎麼樣來支持企業現在我們在處理的是這一段\n的配套的工作那這有涉及到修法嗎我們是希望現在是在不修法狀況下面就可以來進行OK好那我知道謝謝謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 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