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00:03:11,436\n那我們想要進一步問的就是那這次的修法是不是真正能夠與這些國家級的人才政策做接軌是否有針對這些產業明確的規劃誘因與配套還是只是做形式上的鬆綁卻沒有辦法精準的導向這個產業缺口的人才來引進因為之前審計部也有相關檢討報告告訴我們說委託廠商\n\n9\n00:03:15,638 --> 00:03:38,991\n在持續擴增海外人才庫的資料庫裡面沒有積極的去掌握到資料庫的這個有關人才就業金卡取得跟哪一台就業狀況或者是就業金卡申請的意願這是曾經提出的一個檢討那有關於這個有效人才的部分我們也看到到目前2025年的5月底\n\n10\n00:03:39,690 --> 00:03:56,765\n目前這個金卡已經累計核發了13487次的人次可是有效的狀況是7769人次意思就是說只有曾經來過台灣或者是申請這個金卡的人有57.6%\n\n11\n00:03:58,767 --> 00:04:15,174\n還在臺灣這告訴我們說似乎相關的這些問題是需要持續檢討的所以政府是否有進行過分析了解曾經持有金卡但是沒有繼續留在臺灣的這些人主要離開的原因是什麼\n\n12\n00:04:15,874 --> 00:04:36,388\n那除了核發制度以外我們是曾經針對於外籍的這個專才的後續的留台的生活還有長期居留的規劃等等進行這個政策支持的設計那之前的審計部的這個檢查報告裡面告訴我們說這個Taiwan的這個中心所接獲的質詢或者是遭遇問題\n\n13\n00:04:37,469 --> 00:04:49,653\n繁瑣複雜而且多數是涉及到其他不同的相關的部門的職責所以需要有待持續的強化跟各機關之間的溝通連結機制希望能夠協力積極的處理改善轉介的問題所以\n\n14\n00:04:54,235 --> 00:05:09,531\n從精準廉染到有效人才其實我們很期待的就是能夠透過修法來改善的同時我們希望它不只是一個目標是要希望能夠轉化讓國家陣陣的長期競爭力可以持續的維持那針對這兩點請問諸位不曉得您的觀點\n\n15\n00:05:13,816 --> 00:05:27,371\n跟委員報告第一個關於第一頁台灣人才的缺口跟壓力我有一個比較正向的看這件事一般來講企業生意好才會需要人生意不好他不需要人\n\n16\n00:05:27,972 --> 00:05:50,037\n那這代表台灣景氣跟GDP的成長是成正比的反映到台灣這幾年政府施政上面造成的景氣是好的所以造成人才的缺乏也跟著增加那第二個部分是您提到這個精準延攬的部分那我們目前的政府的做法是先把法令打開讓企業可以更容易找到人\n\n17\n00:05:50,757 --> 00:06:18,717\n但是在培育的部分培育的部分我们跟各部会都有一个会诊跟教育部都有合作我们希望在培育人才上面更精准那我们其实有尝试希望再从以半导体为例那教育部是希望大家能够给到更精准的内容因为半导体可能有从封装测试封装测试可能又分成先进封装传统封装又可能里面的材料等等设备所以它大概会有上百种\n\n18\n00:06:19,497 --> 00:06:35,573\n那我們現在就發現半導體的燃材需求大家可以有概括的統計跟從企業問卷可以拿到但是要細到這麼細的部分就有一點小困難所以我們現在是盡量的精準但是沒辦法做到完全的精準這個是我們的確有努力過的\n\n19\n00:06:36,394 --> 00:06:54,800\n那再來就是在有效流財部分我們其實有針對金卡的人去做大幅的調查了解他們為什麼這個留下來有困難那我們現在在我們有一個完整的配套性在改變那這裡面除了除了我們在Talent台灣的改變之外我們也\n\n20\n00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:15,017\n建立生態系統從更完整的生態系統譬如說他們進來以後需要一個社群來協助他們能夠待久一點再來他需要更強的友善營運環境舉個例子他叫計程車他沒辦法叫有一次我在路上也是一個德國女生拜託我幫他叫車因為他沒辦法溝通所以我們也在積極的跟這個55688談合作\n\n21\n00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:41,241\n希望臺灣最大的這個平台能夠有英文的環境那現在我們現在預算下來之後我們就有錢來協助去盡量提供這樣的友善環境那我們整體的友善環境會包括醫院現在我們醫院可以用英文那我們預計30年70%的區公所都可以用到英文那讓他們可以有一個比較好的生活環境讓他們可以留下來\n\n22\n00:07:41,701 --> 00:08:03,023\n所以我们这些都逐步在尝试来修改然后还有一个比较大的麻烦是他们的教育他们很多人反映到尤其是那个二代美国二代反映到他小孩的教育他必须双语那这个情况下我们其实也积极的在沟通协助解决所以这些整套我们其实都有都有在做试调跟做及时的回应\n\n23\n00:08:03,884 --> 00:08:25,480\n所以我們期待透過這些修法能夠實質的去提升這些百分比有沒有預估的百分比可以從現在57.6%可以有效提升讓那些人才能夠留在台灣我們現在金卡是另外有一個金卡的標準要去重新討論包括金卡很嚴格它要月薪16萬\n\n24\n00:08:26,781 --> 00:08:44,135\n那但是對於這次修法外國專業人才跟特地專業人才我們倒有定希望每一年能夠增加六千七百位左右的人才出來那我們希望當然希望更長遠的目標能夠每一年多一萬人進來好那就麻煩律師會再繼續努力好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝王正旭\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t6174\t邱政軍委員邱政軍委員邱政軍委員不在下一位請王正訓委員質詢謝謝主席我們請國安會劉主委請主委\n29284\t43489\t委員午安主委好好久不見謝謝以前的幫忙今天有關於相關的這個議程我們希望從這個精準延攬到有效流採來跟主委來這邊做個討論\n45169\t65557\t其實我國今年來積極的推動外國專業人才的這個延攬設計的像有包括就業金卡這些制度工具期待就是能夠發揮相關的作用也希望能夠進一步的在這個修法的過程裡面能夠進一步來放寬條件延長年限讓台灣在全球競爭\n66877\t84210\t裡面更具有競爭吸引力那我等一下這些討論裡面等我全部都說明完畢以後再麻煩諸位給一些意見不過我們是不是朝向這個精準年染的方向來前進還是目前的制度\n85700\t113365\t只是會存在一些程度上的形式的開放還會造成一個實質上的落差我們是蠻擔心的那我們從這個圖可以看到在2021年有關於全球人才的白皮書裡面就列舉了46個國家裡面的確我們看到非常擔心的部分就是台灣是在所有的國家裡面預測為全球人口缺口最嚴重的國家\n114845\t142708\t比日本還嚴重所以這個評比清楚的告訴我們說我們正處在這個高齡化的社會跟青年出走的雙重挑戰裡面所以非常的嚴峻的一種狀況那我們想要了解的是後面的這個結構性的問題如何能夠透過修法來做有效的處置這個就是我們今天希望能夠做後續討論的地方就包括精準的這個延攬\n144589\t165281\t其實我們從這個畫面也可以知道目前國家級的人才的需求裡面國科會這邊也列出了三個重要的人才的需求包括AI應用人才、半導體的還有淨零、綠零的人才所以告訴我們說事實上政府已經有好的對應的方向跟產業的藍圖\n167142\t191436\t那我們想要進一步問的就是那這次的修法是不是真正能夠與這些國家級的人才政策做接軌是否有針對這些產業明確的規劃誘因與配套還是只是做形式上的鬆綁卻沒有辦法精準的導向這個產業缺口的人才來引進因為之前審計部也有相關檢討報告告訴我們說委託廠商\n195638\t218991\t在持續擴增海外人才庫的資料庫裡面沒有積極的去掌握到資料庫的這個有關人才就業金卡取得跟哪一台就業狀況或者是就業金卡申請的意願這是曾經提出的一個檢討那有關於這個有效人才的部分我們也看到到目前2025年的5月底\n219690\t236765\t目前這個金卡已經累計核發了13487次的人次可是有效的狀況是7769人次意思就是說只有曾經來過台灣或者是申請這個金卡的人有57.6%\n238767\t255174\t還在臺灣這告訴我們說似乎相關的這些問題是需要持續檢討的所以政府是否有進行過分析了解曾經持有金卡但是沒有繼續留在臺灣的這些人主要離開的原因是什麼\n255874\t276388\t那除了核發制度以外我們是曾經針對於外籍的這個專才的後續的留台的生活還有長期居留的規劃等等進行這個政策支持的設計那之前的審計部的這個檢查報告裡面告訴我們說這個Taiwan的這個中心所接獲的質詢或者是遭遇問題\n277469\t289653\t繁瑣複雜而且多數是涉及到其他不同的相關的部門的職責所以需要有待持續的強化跟各機關之間的溝通連結機制希望能夠協力積極的處理改善轉介的問題所以\n294235\t309531\t從精準廉染到有效人才其實我們很期待的就是能夠透過修法來改善的同時我們希望它不只是一個目標是要希望能夠轉化讓國家陣陣的長期競爭力可以持續的維持那針對這兩點請問諸位不曉得您的觀點\n313816\t327371\t跟委員報告第一個關於第一頁台灣人才的缺口跟壓力我有一個比較正向的看這件事一般來講企業生意好才會需要人生意不好他不需要人\n327972\t350037\t那這代表台灣景氣跟GDP的成長是成正比的反映到台灣這幾年政府施政上面造成的景氣是好的所以造成人才的缺乏也跟著增加那第二個部分是您提到這個精準延攬的部分那我們目前的政府的做法是先把法令打開讓企業可以更容易找到人\n350757\t378717\t但是在培育的部分培育的部分我们跟各部会都有一个会诊跟教育部都有合作我们希望在培育人才上面更精准那我们其实有尝试希望再从以半导体为例那教育部是希望大家能够给到更精准的内容因为半导体可能有从封装测试封装测试可能又分成先进封装传统封装又可能里面的材料等等设备所以它大概会有上百种\n379497\t395573\t那我們現在就發現半導體的燃材需求大家可以有概括的統計跟從企業問卷可以拿到但是要細到這麼細的部分就有一點小困難所以我們現在是盡量的精準但是沒辦法做到完全的精準這個是我們的確有努力過的\n396394\t414800\t那再來就是在有效流財部分我們其實有針對金卡的人去做大幅的調查了解他們為什麼這個留下來有困難那我們現在在我們有一個完整的配套性在改變那這裡面除了除了我們在Talent台灣的改變之外我們也\n415800\t435017\t建立生態系統從更完整的生態系統譬如說他們進來以後需要一個社群來協助他們能夠待久一點再來他需要更強的友善營運環境舉個例子他叫計程車他沒辦法叫有一次我在路上也是一個德國女生拜託我幫他叫車因為他沒辦法溝通所以我們也在積極的跟這個55688談合作\n437399\t461241\t希望臺灣最大的這個平台能夠有英文的環境那現在我們現在預算下來之後我們就有錢來協助去盡量提供這樣的友善環境那我們整體的友善環境會包括醫院現在我們醫院可以用英文那我們預計30年70%的區公所都可以用到英文那讓他們可以有一個比較好的生活環境讓他們可以留下來\n461701\t483023\t所以我们这些都逐步在尝试来修改然后还有一个比较大的麻烦是他们的教育他们很多人反映到尤其是那个二代美国二代反映到他小孩的教育他必须双语那这个情况下我们其实也积极的在沟通协助解决所以这些整套我们其实都有都有在做试调跟做及时的回应\n483884\t505480\t所以我們期待透過這些修法能夠實質的去提升這些百分比有沒有預估的百分比可以從現在57.6%可以有效提升讓那些人才能夠留在台灣我們現在金卡是另外有一個金卡的標準要去重新討論包括金卡很嚴格它要月薪16萬\n506781\t524135\t那但是對於這次修法外國專業人才跟特地專業人才我們倒有定希望每一年能夠增加六千七百位左右的人才出來那我們希望當然希望更長遠的目標能夠每一年多一萬人進來好那就麻煩律師會再繼續努力好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝王正旭\n","txt":"邱政軍委員邱政軍委員邱政軍委員不在下一位請王正訓委員質詢謝謝主席我們請國安會劉主委請主委\n委員午安主委好好久不見謝謝以前的幫忙今天有關於相關的這個議程我們希望從這個精準延攬到有效流採來跟主委來這邊做個討論\n其實我國今年來積極的推動外國專業人才的這個延攬設計的像有包括就業金卡這些制度工具期待就是能夠發揮相關的作用也希望能夠進一步的在這個修法的過程裡面能夠進一步來放寬條件延長年限讓台灣在全球競爭\n裡面更具有競爭吸引力那我等一下這些討論裡面等我全部都說明完畢以後再麻煩諸位給一些意見不過我們是不是朝向這個精準年染的方向來前進還是目前的制度\n只是會存在一些程度上的形式的開放還會造成一個實質上的落差我們是蠻擔心的那我們從這個圖可以看到在2021年有關於全球人才的白皮書裡面就列舉了46個國家裡面的確我們看到非常擔心的部分就是台灣是在所有的國家裡面預測為全球人口缺口最嚴重的國家\n比日本還嚴重所以這個評比清楚的告訴我們說我們正處在這個高齡化的社會跟青年出走的雙重挑戰裡面所以非常的嚴峻的一種狀況那我們想要了解的是後面的這個結構性的問題如何能夠透過修法來做有效的處置這個就是我們今天希望能夠做後續討論的地方就包括精準的這個延攬\n其實我們從這個畫面也可以知道目前國家級的人才的需求裡面國科會這邊也列出了三個重要的人才的需求包括AI應用人才、半導體的還有淨零、綠零的人才所以告訴我們說事實上政府已經有好的對應的方向跟產業的藍圖\n那我們想要進一步問的就是那這次的修法是不是真正能夠與這些國家級的人才政策做接軌是否有針對這些產業明確的規劃誘因與配套還是只是做形式上的鬆綁卻沒有辦法精準的導向這個產業缺口的人才來引進因為之前審計部也有相關檢討報告告訴我們說委託廠商\n在持續擴增海外人才庫的資料庫裡面沒有積極的去掌握到資料庫的這個有關人才就業金卡取得跟哪一台就業狀況或者是就業金卡申請的意願這是曾經提出的一個檢討那有關於這個有效人才的部分我們也看到到目前2025年的5月底\n目前這個金卡已經累計核發了13487次的人次可是有效的狀況是7769人次意思就是說只有曾經來過台灣或者是申請這個金卡的人有57.6%\n還在臺灣這告訴我們說似乎相關的這些問題是需要持續檢討的所以政府是否有進行過分析了解曾經持有金卡但是沒有繼續留在臺灣的這些人主要離開的原因是什麼\n那除了核發制度以外我們是曾經針對於外籍的這個專才的後續的留台的生活還有長期居留的規劃等等進行這個政策支持的設計那之前的審計部的這個檢查報告裡面告訴我們說這個Taiwan的這個中心所接獲的質詢或者是遭遇問題\n繁瑣複雜而且多數是涉及到其他不同的相關的部門的職責所以需要有待持續的強化跟各機關之間的溝通連結機制希望能夠協力積極的處理改善轉介的問題所以\n從精準廉染到有效人才其實我們很期待的就是能夠透過修法來改善的同時我們希望它不只是一個目標是要希望能夠轉化讓國家陣陣的長期競爭力可以持續的維持那針對這兩點請問諸位不曉得您的觀點\n跟委員報告第一個關於第一頁台灣人才的缺口跟壓力我有一個比較正向的看這件事一般來講企業生意好才會需要人生意不好他不需要人\n那這代表台灣景氣跟GDP的成長是成正比的反映到台灣這幾年政府施政上面造成的景氣是好的所以造成人才的缺乏也跟著增加那第二個部分是您提到這個精準延攬的部分那我們目前的政府的做法是先把法令打開讓企業可以更容易找到人\n但是在培育的部分培育的部分我们跟各部会都有一个会诊跟教育部都有合作我们希望在培育人才上面更精准那我们其实有尝试希望再从以半导体为例那教育部是希望大家能够给到更精准的内容因为半导体可能有从封装测试封装测试可能又分成先进封装传统封装又可能里面的材料等等设备所以它大概会有上百种\n那我們現在就發現半導體的燃材需求大家可以有概括的統計跟從企業問卷可以拿到但是要細到這麼細的部分就有一點小困難所以我們現在是盡量的精準但是沒辦法做到完全的精準這個是我們的確有努力過的\n那再來就是在有效流財部分我們其實有針對金卡的人去做大幅的調查了解他們為什麼這個留下來有困難那我們現在在我們有一個完整的配套性在改變那這裡面除了除了我們在Talent台灣的改變之外我們也\n建立生態系統從更完整的生態系統譬如說他們進來以後需要一個社群來協助他們能夠待久一點再來他需要更強的友善營運環境舉個例子他叫計程車他沒辦法叫有一次我在路上也是一個德國女生拜託我幫他叫車因為他沒辦法溝通所以我們也在積極的跟這個55688談合作\n希望臺灣最大的這個平台能夠有英文的環境那現在我們現在預算下來之後我們就有錢來協助去盡量提供這樣的友善環境那我們整體的友善環境會包括醫院現在我們醫院可以用英文那我們預計30年70%的區公所都可以用到英文那讓他們可以有一個比較好的生活環境讓他們可以留下來\n所以我们这些都逐步在尝试来修改然后还有一个比较大的麻烦是他们的教育他们很多人反映到尤其是那个二代美国二代反映到他小孩的教育他必须双语那这个情况下我们其实也积极的在沟通协助解决所以这些整套我们其实都有都有在做试调跟做及时的回应\n所以我們期待透過這些修法能夠實質的去提升這些百分比有沒有預估的百分比可以從現在57.6%可以有效提升讓那些人才能夠留在台灣我們現在金卡是另外有一個金卡的標準要去重新討論包括金卡很嚴格它要月薪16萬\n那但是對於這次修法外國專業人才跟特地專業人才我們倒有定希望每一年能夠增加六千七百位左右的人才出來那我們希望當然希望更長遠的目標能夠每一年多一萬人進來好那就麻煩律師會再繼續努力好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝王正旭\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:06.174\n邱政軍委員邱政軍委員邱政軍委員不在下一位請王正訓委員質詢謝謝主席我們請國安會劉主委請主委\n\n00:29.284 --> 00:43.489\n委員午安主委好好久不見謝謝以前的幫忙今天有關於相關的這個議程我們希望從這個精準延攬到有效流採來跟主委來這邊做個討論\n\n00:45.169 --> 01:05.557\n其實我國今年來積極的推動外國專業人才的這個延攬設計的像有包括就業金卡這些制度工具期待就是能夠發揮相關的作用也希望能夠進一步的在這個修法的過程裡面能夠進一步來放寬條件延長年限讓台灣在全球競爭\n\n01:06.877 --> 01:24.210\n裡面更具有競爭吸引力那我等一下這些討論裡面等我全部都說明完畢以後再麻煩諸位給一些意見不過我們是不是朝向這個精準年染的方向來前進還是目前的制度\n\n01:25.700 --> 01:53.365\n只是會存在一些程度上的形式的開放還會造成一個實質上的落差我們是蠻擔心的那我們從這個圖可以看到在2021年有關於全球人才的白皮書裡面就列舉了46個國家裡面的確我們看到非常擔心的部分就是台灣是在所有的國家裡面預測為全球人口缺口最嚴重的國家\n\n01:54.845 --> 02:22.708\n比日本還嚴重所以這個評比清楚的告訴我們說我們正處在這個高齡化的社會跟青年出走的雙重挑戰裡面所以非常的嚴峻的一種狀況那我們想要了解的是後面的這個結構性的問題如何能夠透過修法來做有效的處置這個就是我們今天希望能夠做後續討論的地方就包括精準的這個延攬\n\n02:24.589 --> 02:45.281\n其實我們從這個畫面也可以知道目前國家級的人才的需求裡面國科會這邊也列出了三個重要的人才的需求包括AI應用人才、半導體的還有淨零、綠零的人才所以告訴我們說事實上政府已經有好的對應的方向跟產業的藍圖\n\n02:47.142 --> 03:11.436\n那我們想要進一步問的就是那這次的修法是不是真正能夠與這些國家級的人才政策做接軌是否有針對這些產業明確的規劃誘因與配套還是只是做形式上的鬆綁卻沒有辦法精準的導向這個產業缺口的人才來引進因為之前審計部也有相關檢討報告告訴我們說委託廠商\n\n03:15.638 --> 03:38.991\n在持續擴增海外人才庫的資料庫裡面沒有積極的去掌握到資料庫的這個有關人才就業金卡取得跟哪一台就業狀況或者是就業金卡申請的意願這是曾經提出的一個檢討那有關於這個有效人才的部分我們也看到到目前2025年的5月底\n\n03:39.690 --> 03:56.765\n目前這個金卡已經累計核發了13487次的人次可是有效的狀況是7769人次意思就是說只有曾經來過台灣或者是申請這個金卡的人有57.6%\n\n03:58.767 --> 04:15.174\n還在臺灣這告訴我們說似乎相關的這些問題是需要持續檢討的所以政府是否有進行過分析了解曾經持有金卡但是沒有繼續留在臺灣的這些人主要離開的原因是什麼\n\n04:15.874 --> 04:36.388\n那除了核發制度以外我們是曾經針對於外籍的這個專才的後續的留台的生活還有長期居留的規劃等等進行這個政策支持的設計那之前的審計部的這個檢查報告裡面告訴我們說這個Taiwan的這個中心所接獲的質詢或者是遭遇問題\n\n04:37.469 --> 04:49.653\n繁瑣複雜而且多數是涉及到其他不同的相關的部門的職責所以需要有待持續的強化跟各機關之間的溝通連結機制希望能夠協力積極的處理改善轉介的問題所以\n\n04:54.235 --> 05:09.531\n從精準廉染到有效人才其實我們很期待的就是能夠透過修法來改善的同時我們希望它不只是一個目標是要希望能夠轉化讓國家陣陣的長期競爭力可以持續的維持那針對這兩點請問諸位不曉得您的觀點\n\n05:13.816 --> 05:27.371\n跟委員報告第一個關於第一頁台灣人才的缺口跟壓力我有一個比較正向的看這件事一般來講企業生意好才會需要人生意不好他不需要人\n\n05:27.972 --> 05:50.037\n那這代表台灣景氣跟GDP的成長是成正比的反映到台灣這幾年政府施政上面造成的景氣是好的所以造成人才的缺乏也跟著增加那第二個部分是您提到這個精準延攬的部分那我們目前的政府的做法是先把法令打開讓企業可以更容易找到人\n\n05:50.757 --> 06:18.717\n但是在培育的部分培育的部分我们跟各部会都有一个会诊跟教育部都有合作我们希望在培育人才上面更精准那我们其实有尝试希望再从以半导体为例那教育部是希望大家能够给到更精准的内容因为半导体可能有从封装测试封装测试可能又分成先进封装传统封装又可能里面的材料等等设备所以它大概会有上百种\n\n06:19.497 --> 06:35.573\n那我們現在就發現半導體的燃材需求大家可以有概括的統計跟從企業問卷可以拿到但是要細到這麼細的部分就有一點小困難所以我們現在是盡量的精準但是沒辦法做到完全的精準這個是我們的確有努力過的\n\n06:36.394 --> 06:54.800\n那再來就是在有效流財部分我們其實有針對金卡的人去做大幅的調查了解他們為什麼這個留下來有困難那我們現在在我們有一個完整的配套性在改變那這裡面除了除了我們在Talent台灣的改變之外我們也\n\n06:55.800 --> 07:15.017\n建立生態系統從更完整的生態系統譬如說他們進來以後需要一個社群來協助他們能夠待久一點再來他需要更強的友善營運環境舉個例子他叫計程車他沒辦法叫有一次我在路上也是一個德國女生拜託我幫他叫車因為他沒辦法溝通所以我們也在積極的跟這個55688談合作\n\n07:17.399 --> 07:41.241\n希望臺灣最大的這個平台能夠有英文的環境那現在我們現在預算下來之後我們就有錢來協助去盡量提供這樣的友善環境那我們整體的友善環境會包括醫院現在我們醫院可以用英文那我們預計30年70%的區公所都可以用到英文那讓他們可以有一個比較好的生活環境讓他們可以留下來\n\n07:41.701 --> 08:03.023\n所以我们这些都逐步在尝试来修改然后还有一个比较大的麻烦是他们的教育他们很多人反映到尤其是那个二代美国二代反映到他小孩的教育他必须双语那这个情况下我们其实也积极的在沟通协助解决所以这些整套我们其实都有都有在做试调跟做及时的回应\n\n08:03.884 --> 08:25.480\n所以我們期待透過這些修法能夠實質的去提升這些百分比有沒有預估的百分比可以從現在57.6%可以有效提升讓那些人才能夠留在台灣我們現在金卡是另外有一個金卡的標準要去重新討論包括金卡很嚴格它要月薪16萬\n\n08:26.781 --> 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