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00:01:16,010\n那我自己在過去有辦過原鄉碳會的公聽會也關心過地熱也辦過公聽會那甚至是在5月26號那一天呢也特別在立法院去成立一個氣候韌性與能源永續發展促進會那我個人在太空發展法一直到現在的一個太空產業甚至是國家發射場域已經決定落腳在\n\n4\n00:01:20,632 --> 00:01:48,038\n屏東的滿洲鄉那它附近的牡丹鄉到台東的達人鄉呢它是一個太空的共融的一個生活圈那在在就是希望說要有國外國內的一個人才的培育那剛好今天我們也特別看到我們有一個外國專業人才延攬及僱用法的一個修法修正的規定當中特別看到放寬工作\n\n5\n00:01:49,198 --> 00:01:59,824\n然後延長數位遊牧簽證期間我想這個部分主委是不是都對我剛才提到的那些產業他們都會用得到嗎都對他們有幫助嗎\n\n6\n00:02:01,501 --> 00:02:29,154\n這些產業事實上也都會有所幫助那尤其是您很關心的在永續上面我們其實跟環境部有推動這個綠色產業跟綠領人才的培育那我們也基於這樣呢我們也跟他共同設立了一個百億基金去協助綠色青年進行創業跟發展我想原鄉青年也是可以來這個地方\n\n7\n00:02:30,474 --> 00:02:45,480\n主要我接下來要講的就是說除了國外人才的部分延攬國內人才的培育特別我希望的就是說原住民不要發生那種產業是在自己的土地上然後成為別人的故宮\n\n8\n00:02:46,660 --> 00:03:15,715\n這是很悲哀的一種情形所以我也特別特別希望說能夠重視在地人才的一個綠林人才的培育那這個在我們的憲法也好有提到要扶植原住民經濟發展原基法呢也特別提到要促進原住民的經濟產業那總統呢在去年的原住民族日那一天也特別提到要培育原住民各樣的人才也要完善原鄉的基礎建設才有可能去提升\n\n9\n00:03:16,215 --> 00:03:34,882\n部落的經濟跟產業的發展所以行政院您剛剛也有提國家發展計畫114到117那特別也有提到要促進原鄉的一個永續發展那甚至是我們剛修的這個氣候變遷因應法它的公正轉型還有這個當中的自然碳匯\n\n10\n00:03:35,822 --> 00:04:02,111\n那我自己呢也在多次的質詢不管是綠領人才或地熱等等這些議題我都會提到說人才的培育還有一件事就是部落開發的第一桶金也許這個就是您剛剛所提到的因為做這些都需要錢那我也知道說目前各部會你們正在審中長城計畫那請教一下主委各部會有沒有去提報這樣的一個計畫\n\n11\n00:04:06,593 --> 00:04:11,099\n原住民的經濟發展產業發展綠色經濟目前我是有看到原民會有幾個計畫送過來原民會有嗎那報的這種計畫內容有沒有我剛才關切的那些內容\n\n12\n00:04:23,901 --> 00:04:39,213\n我們目前是有這個計畫是原住民原住民族經濟永續發展計畫我們現在是訂的四年計畫115年到128年所以他有報那也有關切到這些面向\n\n13\n00:04:40,274 --> 00:05:01,319\n您關切的議題也在我們永續的元旭會裡面工作人員集體裡面也都有考慮到尤其在您特別關心的地樂等等我們都有好謝謝那主委因為推動原住民經濟發展其實對我們來講建設是一個基礎那您看一下這個圖片其實各地\n\n14\n00:05:02,352 --> 00:05:27,708\n都有所謂廢棄的校舍廢棄的派出所廢棄的衛生所那現在這些年我們推動幼兒的照顧或者是長者的照顧都會去用這些已經五六十年的老舊建築用安全結構去替代我們所謂的史建造那我現在是說像這一些我們未來要推動的都需要有所謂的空間\n\n15\n00:05:28,849 --> 00:05:45,829\n但是呢我們也看到有時候如果各部會一起幫忙也有活化成功的例子像我在復興區的西口派出所他們就合作跟地方要做一個多功能的聚會所辦公廳設我想這是一個很好的例子\n\n16\n00:05:46,269 --> 00:06:09,021\n但是呢我們現在發展托育啊旅遊中心啊地方創生啊產業基地長照他都會面臨用地要合法建造始造法規限制的問題所以呢都非常的需要錢來做這些事情那我也是提到像現在你們在省這些各部會的中長城計畫那這些長遠的這個投資在在都需要錢我不曉得說\n\n17\n00:06:10,461 --> 00:06:29,458\n主委您有沒有看到這些各部會有沒有這樣長短的計畫我舉個例子像衛福部他在推長照園民會推長照他們到底有沒有想到我們這一些已經五六十年的老舊建物再過個十年就變六七十年的老舊建物其實應該要有一個長遠的規劃可以開始拆除去重建他們有沒有這樣的想法\n\n18\n00:06:35,211 --> 00:07:02,914\n其實我們陸陸續續都一直有老舊的建築物的更新到我們會裡面來審但是我們現在比較擔心的是說在財化法之後我們中央少掉了3750億那整個中央能夠幫助地方的力道就會大幅的下降那我們現在比較擔心的是在這個部分那我也是希望說要有政策的引導那舉個例子假設園民會提報計畫\n\n19\n00:07:04,710 --> 00:07:30,199\n或者是衛福部提報計畫內政部提報計畫那他們有沒有提報這樣的計畫各部會來分攤有些是有喔但是有的話基本上我們會各部會以後大部分都是會支持因為主委我要跟你說現在部落撐不住了沒有任何的建物可以使用全部都是老舊建築然後政府要推動的這一些所謂的永續的想法\n\n20\n00:07:30,999 --> 00:07:56,580\n或者長者照顧的想法部落已經撐不住了沒有辦法配合政府的政策所以我特別在這邊提那我也關心的就是像我舉個例子像現在已經有獵槍專法大家也都去受訓囉那重點是沒有靶場可以用那教育部有靶場但是體育署說跟他們的使用目的不符合那這個怎麼辦呢\n\n21\n00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:14,633\n這個怎麼辦這個也謝謝委員在3月21號你有找本會去了解之後我們也找了園民會以後那園民會現在會有一個原住民自治獵槍安全使用訓練的中長程計畫是115年到18年的中長程計畫所以他們會去蓋靶場嗎會考慮到會有這個有部分會有那會考慮到您當時那國發會你們也會幫忙去做部會協調嗎\n\n22\n00:08:28,463 --> 00:08:44,557\n他提出計畫之後我們會與你協助啦好謝謝齁那最後一個就是我也關心殯葬量能提升計畫因為超高齡社會來到殯葬的需求只會逐年增加那它的高峰期會落到30年後那在我們原鄉部落\n\n23\n00:08:45,785 --> 00:09:11,159\n主委你看一下有一張圖片其實我們在國土計畫法的時候就讓我們的部會去驚訝因為不是所有的族群都習慣成為一個聚落他們有的族群像泰雅族他們喜歡一戶一戶獨立隔一個山頭可是這個是過去我們政府他想像不到的其實公墓也一樣啊您看一下這張圖這是我親自去的\n\n24\n00:09:12,219 --> 00:09:40,305\n他們的墳墓八十五度傾斜他們是要用繩子拉棺材上去所以舊墓更新多少年來他們申請不到因為舊墓更新一定要原地的公墓他們就沒辦法那有的是呢是陡坡那個棺材有的是拉上去有的棺材是用吊下去可能我們坐在辦公室很難想像因為每一個民族他有不同的文化慣俗\n\n25\n00:09:41,325 --> 00:10:06,073\n所以現在如果說他們區公所願意找到一塊地可是他可能有一些法規不符合的地方或者跟你們的實施辦法不符合的地方主委您覺得是不是這個冰葬量能計畫的提升這個中長城計畫是不是為了原住民因為我們原住民從室內葬好不容易接受土葬現在又要火化\n\n26\n00:10:07,478 --> 00:10:20,990\n所以我們原住民早期都不太想參加這個殯葬量能提升計畫但是現在大家慢慢慢慢因為滿帳開始濫帳所以大家也有這個需求所以這個殯葬量能提升計畫國發會是否繼續支持這個內政部有提一個計畫出來啦也就是對整體的殯葬\n\n27\n00:10:28,416 --> 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工作人員集體裡面也都有考慮到尤其在您特別關心的地樂等等我們都有好 謝謝那主委因為推動原住民經濟發展其實對我們來講建設是一個基礎那您看一下這個圖片其實各地\n302352\t327708\t都有所謂廢棄的校舍廢棄的派出所廢棄的衛生所那現在這些年我們推動幼兒的照顧或者是長者的照顧都會去用這些已經五六十年的老舊建築用安全結構去替代我們所謂的史建造那我現在是說像這一些我們未來要推動的都需要有所謂的空間\n328849\t345829\t但是呢我們也看到有時候如果各部會一起幫忙也有活化成功的例子像我在復興區的西口派出所他們就合作跟地方要做一個多功能的聚會所辦公廳設我想這是一個很好的例子\n346269\t369021\t但是呢我們現在發展托育啊旅遊中心啊地方創生啊產業基地長照他都會面臨用地要合法建造始造法規限制的問題所以呢都非常的需要錢來做這些事情那我也是提到像現在你們在省這些各部會的中長城計畫那這些長遠的這個投資在在都需要錢我不曉得說\n370461\t389458\t主委 您有沒有看到這些各部會有沒有這樣長短的計畫我舉個例子 像衛福部他在推長照 園民會推長照他們到底有沒有想到我們這一些已經五六十年的老舊建物再過個十年就變六七十年的老舊建物其實應該要有一個長遠的規劃可以開始拆除去重建 他們有沒有這樣的想法\n395211\t422914\t其實我們陸陸續續都一直有老舊的建築物的更新到我們會裡面來審但是我們現在比較擔心的是說在財化法之後我們中央少掉了3750億那整個中央能夠幫助地方的力道就會大幅的下降那我們現在比較擔心的是在這個部分那我也是希望說要有政策的引導那舉個例子假設園民會提報計畫\n424710\t450199\t或者是衛福部提報計畫內政部提報計畫那他們有沒有提報這樣的計畫各部會來分攤有些是有喔但是有的話基本上我們會各部會以後大部分都是會支持因為主委我要跟你說現在部落撐不住了沒有任何的建物可以使用全部都是老舊建築然後政府要推動的這一些所謂的永續的想法\n450999\t476580\t或者長者照顧的想法部落已經撐不住了沒有辦法配合政府的政策所以我特別在這邊提那我也關心的就是像我舉個例子像現在已經有獵槍專法大家也都去受訓囉那重點是沒有靶場可以用那教育部有靶場但是體育署說跟他們的使用目的不符合那這個怎麼辦呢\n478440\t494633\t這個怎麼辦這個也謝謝委員在3月21號你有找本會去了解之後我們也找了園民會以後那園民會現在會有一個原住民自治獵槍安全使用訓練的中長程計畫是115年到18年的中長程計畫所以他們會去蓋靶場嗎會考慮到會有這個有部分會有那會考慮到您當時那國發會你們也會幫忙去做部會協調嗎\n508463\t524557\t他提出計畫之後我們會與你協助啦好 謝謝齁那最後一個就是我也關心殯葬量能提升計畫因為超高齡社會來到殯葬的需求只會逐年增加那它的高峰期會落到30年後那在我們原鄉部落\n525785\t551159\t主委你看一下有一張圖片其實我們在國土計畫法的時候就讓我們的部會去驚訝因為不是所有的族群都習慣成為一個聚落他們有的族群像泰雅族他們喜歡一戶一戶獨立隔一個山頭可是這個是過去我們政府他想像不到的其實公墓也一樣啊您看一下這張圖這是我親自去的\n552219\t580305\t他們的墳墓 八十五度傾斜他們是要用繩子拉棺材上去所以舊墓更新 多少年來他們申請不到因為舊墓更新一定要原地的公墓他們就沒辦法那有的是呢 是陡坡那個棺材有的是拉上去 有的棺材是用吊下去可能我們坐在辦公室很難想像因為每一個民族 他有不同的文化慣俗\n581325\t606073\t所以現在如果說他們區公所願意找到一塊地可是他可能有一些法規不符合的地方或者跟你們的實施辦法不符合的地方主委您覺得是不是這個冰葬量能計畫的提升這個中長城計畫是不是為了原住民因為我們原住民從室內葬好不容易接受土葬現在又要火化\n607478\t620990\t所以我們原住民早期都不太想參加這個殯葬量能提升計畫但是現在大家慢慢慢慢因為滿帳開始濫帳所以大家也有這個需求所以這個殯葬量能提升計畫國發會是否繼續支持這個內政部有提一個計畫出來啦也就是對整體的殯葬\n628416\t644532\t能量的提升好那我們在審議中嗎是在審議中好因為國發會都是在審議所以我講這些狀況就是希望我們在審查的時候可能要考量到原住民他有一些不同的習慣那希望在審查的時候能夠盡量的來符合我們的需求好的好的謝謝主委好謝謝主委好謝謝吳立華委員\n","txt":"主席有請主委請主委\n主委好我們特別就是正在一個什麼樣的時代就是推動永續綠色產業發展那國家的經濟呢也正在轉型所以呢我們也特別關心原住民的一個經濟轉型\n那我自己在過去有辦過原鄉碳會的公聽會也關心過地熱也辦過公聽會那甚至是在5月26號那一天呢也特別在立法院去成立一個氣候韌性與能源永續發展促進會那我個人在太空發展法一直到現在的一個太空產業甚至是國家發射場域已經決定落腳在\n屏東的滿洲鄉那它附近的牡丹鄉到台東的達人鄉呢它是一個太空的共融的一個生活圈那在在就是希望說要有國外國內的一個人才的培育那剛好今天我們也特別看到我們有一個外國專業人才延攬及僱用法的一個修法修正的規定當中特別看到放寬工作\n然後延長數位遊牧簽證期間我想這個部分主委是不是都對我剛才提到的那些產業他們都會用得到嗎都對他們有幫助嗎\n這些產業事實上也都會有所幫助那尤其是您很關心的在永續上面我們其實跟環境部有推動這個綠色產業跟綠領人才的培育那我們也基於這樣呢我們也跟他共同設立了一個百億基金去協助綠色青年進行創業跟發展我想原鄉青年也是可以來這個地方\n主要我接下來要講的就是說除了國外人才的部分延攬國內人才的培育特別我希望的就是說原住民不要發生那種產業是在自己的土地上然後成為別人的故宮\n這是很悲哀的一種情形所以我也特別特別希望說能夠重視在地人才的一個綠林人才的培育那這個在我們的憲法也好有提到要扶植原住民經濟發展原基法呢也特別提到要促進原住民的經濟產業那總統呢在去年的原住民族日那一天也特別提到要培育原住民各樣的人才也要完善原鄉的基礎建設才有可能去提升\n部落的經濟跟產業的發展所以行政院您剛剛也有提國家發展計畫114到117那特別也有提到要促進原鄉的一個永續發展那甚至是我們剛修的這個氣候變遷因應法它的公正轉型還有這個當中的自然碳匯\n那我自己呢也在多次的質詢不管是綠領人才或地熱等等這些議題我都會提到說人才的培育還有一件事就是部落開發的第一桶金也許這個就是您剛剛所提到的因為做這些都需要錢那我也知道說目前各部會你們正在審中長城計畫那請教一下主委各部會有沒有去提報這樣的一個計畫\n原住民的經濟發展產業發展綠色經濟目前我是有看到原民會有幾個計畫送過來原民會有嗎那報的這種計畫內容有沒有我剛才關切的那些內容\n我們目前是有這個計畫是原住民原住民族經濟永續發展計畫我們現在是訂的四年計畫115年到128年所以他有報那也有關切到這些面向\n您關切的議題也在我們永續的元旭會裡面 工作人員集體裡面也都有考慮到尤其在您特別關心的地樂等等我們都有好 謝謝那主委因為推動原住民經濟發展其實對我們來講建設是一個基礎那您看一下這個圖片其實各地\n都有所謂廢棄的校舍廢棄的派出所廢棄的衛生所那現在這些年我們推動幼兒的照顧或者是長者的照顧都會去用這些已經五六十年的老舊建築用安全結構去替代我們所謂的史建造那我現在是說像這一些我們未來要推動的都需要有所謂的空間\n但是呢我們也看到有時候如果各部會一起幫忙也有活化成功的例子像我在復興區的西口派出所他們就合作跟地方要做一個多功能的聚會所辦公廳設我想這是一個很好的例子\n但是呢我們現在發展托育啊旅遊中心啊地方創生啊產業基地長照他都會面臨用地要合法建造始造法規限制的問題所以呢都非常的需要錢來做這些事情那我也是提到像現在你們在省這些各部會的中長城計畫那這些長遠的這個投資在在都需要錢我不曉得說\n主委 您有沒有看到這些各部會有沒有這樣長短的計畫我舉個例子 像衛福部他在推長照 園民會推長照他們到底有沒有想到我們這一些已經五六十年的老舊建物再過個十年就變六七十年的老舊建物其實應該要有一個長遠的規劃可以開始拆除去重建 他們有沒有這樣的想法\n其實我們陸陸續續都一直有老舊的建築物的更新到我們會裡面來審但是我們現在比較擔心的是說在財化法之後我們中央少掉了3750億那整個中央能夠幫助地方的力道就會大幅的下降那我們現在比較擔心的是在這個部分那我也是希望說要有政策的引導那舉個例子假設園民會提報計畫\n或者是衛福部提報計畫內政部提報計畫那他們有沒有提報這樣的計畫各部會來分攤有些是有喔但是有的話基本上我們會各部會以後大部分都是會支持因為主委我要跟你說現在部落撐不住了沒有任何的建物可以使用全部都是老舊建築然後政府要推動的這一些所謂的永續的想法\n或者長者照顧的想法部落已經撐不住了沒有辦法配合政府的政策所以我特別在這邊提那我也關心的就是像我舉個例子像現在已經有獵槍專法大家也都去受訓囉那重點是沒有靶場可以用那教育部有靶場但是體育署說跟他們的使用目的不符合那這個怎麼辦呢\n這個怎麼辦這個也謝謝委員在3月21號你有找本會去了解之後我們也找了園民會以後那園民會現在會有一個原住民自治獵槍安全使用訓練的中長程計畫是115年到18年的中長程計畫所以他們會去蓋靶場嗎會考慮到會有這個有部分會有那會考慮到您當時那國發會你們也會幫忙去做部會協調嗎\n他提出計畫之後我們會與你協助啦好 謝謝齁那最後一個就是我也關心殯葬量能提升計畫因為超高齡社會來到殯葬的需求只會逐年增加那它的高峰期會落到30年後那在我們原鄉部落\n主委你看一下有一張圖片其實我們在國土計畫法的時候就讓我們的部會去驚訝因為不是所有的族群都習慣成為一個聚落他們有的族群像泰雅族他們喜歡一戶一戶獨立隔一個山頭可是這個是過去我們政府他想像不到的其實公墓也一樣啊您看一下這張圖這是我親自去的\n他們的墳墓 八十五度傾斜他們是要用繩子拉棺材上去所以舊墓更新 多少年來他們申請不到因為舊墓更新一定要原地的公墓他們就沒辦法那有的是呢 是陡坡那個棺材有的是拉上去 有的棺材是用吊下去可能我們坐在辦公室很難想像因為每一個民族 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Tahovecahe委員：主委好。我們正在一個什麼樣的時代？就是推動永續綠色產業發展，國家的經濟也正在轉型，所以我們特別關心原住民的經濟轉型。我自己過去辦過原鄉碳匯的公聽會，也關心過地熱、同樣辦過公聽會，甚至在5月26日那一天，特別在立法院成立氣候韌性與能源永續發展促進會。我個人從太空發展法一直關心到現在的太空產業，甚至國家發射場域已經決定落腳屏東滿州鄉，附近的牡丹鄉到臺東達仁鄉是太空共榮的生活圈，在在希望要培育國外、國內人才。剛好今天也看到外國專業人才延攬及僱用法的修法，我在修正規定當中特別看到放寬工作規定、延長數位遊牧簽證期間，主委，這個部分是不是針對我剛才提到的那些產業？他們都用得到嗎？對他們都有幫助嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：事實上，對這些產業都會有所幫助。尤其在您很關心的永續上，我們其實跟環境部推動了綠色產業跟綠領人才的培育，基於這樣，我們也跟他們共同設立了一筆百億基金，協助綠色青年創業跟發展，我想原鄉青年也可以朝這個方向做職業與生涯規劃。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，感謝。主委，我接下來要講的是除了國外人才的延攬，在國內人才培育上，我特別希望的是原住民不要發生產業在自己土地上，他們卻成為別人雇工的情況，這是很悲哀的情形，所以我也特別、特別希望你們能夠重視在地人才、綠領人才的培育。關於這部分，憲法裡提到要扶植原住民經濟發展，原基法提到要促進原住民的經濟產業，總統在去年原住民族日那一天也特別提到要培育各樣原住民人才，並完善原鄉的基礎建設，才可能提升部落的經濟跟產業的發展。您剛剛也提到，行政院國家發展計畫114到117年中特別提到要促進原鄉永續發展，甚至是我們剛剛修的氣候變遷因應法提到公正轉型還有其中的自然碳匯。我自己在多次質詢中，不管針對綠領人才或地熱等議題，也都提到人才培育，還有一件事，就是部落開發的第一桶金，也許就是您剛剛所提到的，因為做這些都需要錢。我也知道目前你們正在審各部會的中長程計畫，那麼請教一下主委，各部會有沒有提報這樣的中長程計畫？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：您指的計畫是到……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：就是關於原住民的經濟發展、產業發展、綠色經濟、產業升級。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：目前我看到原民會有幾項計畫送過來。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：原民會有嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，它所報計畫有沒有我剛才關切的那些內容？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：目前是有。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：整個計畫是原住民族經濟永續發展計畫，現在訂的是四年計畫，從115年到118年。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以他們有報、也關切到這些面向？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：對。您關切的議題在永續會的公正轉型裡面也都有考慮到。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：也都有，好。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：尤其是您特別關心的地熱等等都有。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝。","主委，要推動原住民經濟發展，對我們來講，建設是基礎。您看一下這個圖片，其實各地都有廢棄校舍、廢棄派出所、廢棄衛生所，這些年我們推動幼兒照顧或長者照顧都會運用這些已經五、六十年的老舊建築，並以安全結構替代使建照。我現在要說，未來要推動這些政策都需要所謂的空間，我們看到，經過各部會一起幫忙，有活化成功的例子。像復興區的溪口派出所就跟地方合作，要做一處多功能聚會所與辦公廳舍，我想這是很好的例子。但是現在發展托育、旅遊中心、地方創生、產業基地、長照都會面臨用地要合法建照、使照等法規限制上的問題，所以都非常需要錢來做這些事情。","我也要提，現在你們正在審查各部會的中長程計畫，而這些長遠投資在在需要錢。不曉得主委有沒有看到各部會有沒有這樣的長程計畫？我舉個例子，衛福部在推長照、原民會也推長照，但他們到底有沒有想到這些已經五、六十年的老舊建物再過個十年就變成六、七十年的老舊建物？其實應該要有長遠的規劃，可以開始拆除、重建，他們有沒有這樣的想法？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：其實陸陸續續一直有老舊建築物的更新案送到我們會裡審查。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：但緩不濟急啊！"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們現在比較擔心的是在財劃法修正之後，中央少掉3,750億元，整個中央能夠幫助地方的力道就會大幅下降，我們現在比較擔心的是這個部分。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我也希望要有政策的引導。舉個例子，假設原民會提報計畫、衛福部提報計畫或內政部提報計畫，那他們有沒有提報這樣的計畫，由各部會分攤？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：有些有，只要有的話，基本上各部會大部分也都會支持。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：主委，我要跟你說，現在部落撐不住了！因為沒有任何建物可以使用，全部都是老舊建築。面對政府要推動永續或長者照顧的想法，部落已經撐不住了、沒有辦法配合政府的政策，所以我特別在這邊提。舉個例子，現在已經有獵槍專法，大家也都去受訓了，重點是沒有靶場可以用。教育部有靶場，但是體育署說不符合使用目的，這個怎麼辦呢？這個怎麼辦？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：也謝謝委員您在3月21日曾找本會去了解，之後我們也找了原民會。原民會現在會有一項原住民自製獵槍安全使用訓練的中長程計畫，是從115年到118年的中長程計畫。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以他們會蓋靶場嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：部分會有，也會考慮到您當時……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那國發會也會幫忙做部會協調嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：他們提出計畫之後，我們會予以協助啦！"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝。","最後，我也關心殯葬量能提升計畫。因為超高齡社會來到，殯葬需求只會逐年增加，高峰期會落在30年後。在我們原鄉部落，主委，你看這一張圖片，在制訂國土計畫法的時候就讓部會驚訝，因為不是所有族群都習慣成為聚落，有的族群像是泰雅族，他們喜歡隔一個山頭，一戶、一戶獨立，這是過去政府想像不到的。其實公墓也一樣啊！你看一下這張圖，這是我親自去看的，他們的墓地85度傾斜、要用繩子拉棺材上去！多少年來，他們都申請不到舊墓更新，因為舊墓更新一定要是原地的公墓，他們就沒辦法啊！有的因為是陡坡，所以有的棺材是拉上去、有的是吊下去，可能是我們坐在辦公室很難想像的，畢竟每個民族有不同的文化灌輸。如果他們的區公所願意找到一塊地，但可能有一些與法規不符合之處、或有一些與你們的實施辦法不符合之處，主委，你覺得這個殯葬量能計畫的提升、這個中長程計畫是不是能為了原住民……因為我們原住民好不容易從室內葬接受土葬，現在又要接受火化，所以我們原住民早期都不太想參加這個殯葬量能提升計畫，但是，現在慢慢、慢慢因為滿葬就開始濫葬，因此大家也都有這個需求，國發會是否能繼續支持這個殯葬量能提升計畫？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：內政部已經提出一個計畫，針對整體殯葬能量的提升。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們正在審議中。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：因為國發會正在審議，所以我提出這些狀況，希望審查時可能要考量原住民一些不同的習慣、也希望審查時能夠盡量符合我們的需求。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好的、好的。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝主委、謝謝主席。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員。","下一位請陳超明委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":328,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-19,26,22-1","speakers":["蔡易餘","羅美玲","邱議瑩","萬美玲","葛如鈞","鄭正鈐","楊瓊瓔","吳沛憶","張啓楷","林宜瑾","林岱樺","賴瑞隆","陳秀寳","呂玉玲","陳菁徽","劉建國","葉元之","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳超明","黃秀芳","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","羅廷瑋","陳亭妃","張雅琳","范雲","郭昱晴","王正旭","蔡易餘","謝衣鳯","麥玉珍","邱志偉","林月琴","張嘉郡","陳昭姿","蘇清泉","柯志恩","林淑芬","邱鎮軍","王育敏"],"page_start":231,"meetingDate":["2025-06-18"],"gazette_id":"1146001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146001_00010"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"審查：(一)行政院函請審議「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案、(二)本院委員何欣純等\n19人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十二條及第十四條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員陳\n亭妃等16 人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第四條、第六條及第十四條條文修正草案」案、\n(四)本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案、(五)本院委員羅美\n玲等16人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1146001_00014"}}}