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00:00:59,850\n那我現在詢問的是我們外交部第一個我們外交部掌握國際局勢當然必要這待會請教你但是國人在外面的安全很重要因為我們旅遊警示是你們在公布的目前伊朗是紅色嘛是屬於第四級\n\n4\n00:01:00,811 --> 00:01:23,567\n所以第四級是不建議前往,在那邊的還請他離開對不對對那我們對伊朗,我看伊拉克、伊朗、以色列、黎巴嫩這個區域,靠近黎巴嫩這個區域,我們都列為紅色第四級所以不建議前往,還要求他儘速離開那我們在這個區域有沒有撤僑的計畫\n\n5\n00:01:25,823 --> 00:01:44,441\n在以色列我們目前都還沒有到撤僑沒有那如果國人要離開外交部住處可以提供協助嗎協助包括好幾波透過我們路路啦交通載具然後離境的時候比如到約旦也有人去接所以你現在講的是已經有執行的\n\n6\n00:01:44,741 --> 00:02:14,040\n有三坡二十位從以色列離開那就有在執行嘛只是說你沒有主動啦現在就是說如果要離開的外交部目前透過陸路到約旦那已經走了三坡大約二十名是然後需要徹底的人是向我們住處聯繫嗎我們好像有個聯繫的網絡嘛對我們就是里外國人登錄表那個都是隨時在滾動式修正有沒有在我們掌握的國人以外的人目前在那裡的\n\n7\n00:02:16,258 --> 00:02:42,086\n因為他們之間互相也都聯繫跟我們代表處常連都有聯繫因為其實以色列或是加薩索蘭或是這邊的戰事已經一段時間了一段時間了但伊朗這邊情況是比較形態因為人也比較少就九名那目前三名已經離境所以我先跟你確認一下我們現在以色列全境是列為第四級紅色還是有一部分維持在橙色北境跟加薩索蘭是第四級\n\n8\n00:02:43,966 --> 00:03:08,218\n但其他的部分就是第三級就靠近黎巴嫩跟靠近加薩這一邊列為紅色第四級對其餘的維持在第三級第三級就是避免前往沒有勸離的一個呼籲所以現在如果我是位處在橙色的部分我希望撤離外交部也協助嗎也協助也要協助而且密切聯繫中\n\n9\n00:03:09,238 --> 00:03:29,789\n那你現在掌握我們在那邊的目前真的還在那裡的台灣人有多少包含學生啊經商啊駕駛的270位所以我這邊我看到就有的數據是280位因為已經有離境一些那剛剛同仁給我嘛因為滾動室在修正目前是274位還在目前274對那離開有20位嘛你剛才講20個嘛所以原來應該294在那個地方對啊就數學嘛\n\n10\n00:03:38,974 --> 00:03:51,771\n來274你剛才一開始我問你我們到底有多少台灣人在那裏委員是這樣子因為就像剛剛我們剛剛講的他是滾動式的他在怎麼滾數學不會變嗎不是因為有些國人他是自己看到我們外館發佈訊息他主動來聯繫的\n\n11\n00:03:53,894 --> 00:04:11,177\n沒有有主動聯繫因為有些是短期上有國人我們的確可能我現在說我們外交部要展現的是我國人在以色列我有掌握住他們是294位或290位目前是19位18位或20位這不能大約啦每一條每一條台灣人都是珍貴的所以我的意思說\n\n12\n00:04:11,798 --> 00:04:29,879\n每一條生命都是非常寶貴的所以你剛才說有安排20位經過陸路到第三軌就是約旦而且有人接這是很好非常好安全出去了嘛所以那邊有多少人加上現在那裡還有多少人那就equalto那就等於我原來有多少人嘛沒有例外嘛例外就是我不知道的嘛\n\n13\n00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:47,257\n沒錯有些就是主動通報所以人數上會有一些變動的原因在這個地方所以我們現在台灣人現在是274位現在現存274是啊已經離開幾位20位所以原來大概就是294如果這樣加的話就294這沒有錯啦齁那伊朗那一邊呢在伊朗的台灣人\n\n14\n00:04:48,052 --> 00:05:08,302\n伊朗那邊原先我們掌握的是九位那現在有三位是剛剛部長提到他們已經從陸路到土耳其去了那最近呢還會有三位可能會往北邊東北邊往土耳其那他們的離開是我們有提供協助還是我們只是掌握訊息我們現在的話就是我們那個冒險德黑蘭一個辦公室他們有跟他們冒險主任跟他們都有當事人都有去\n\n15\n00:05:08,482 --> 00:05:35,961\n那這有點像當時烏克蘭戰爭爆發的時候因為一開始烏克蘭當時也不讓我們有住宿在嘛所以是經由茂協一個專員在那地方提供相關的協助聯繫所以現在聽起來就是有三位在伊朗的台籍人士已經走陸路往土耳其方向走你說未來接下來還有三位要離開那我們在那邊提供行政協助的是茂協的駐地人員那我們現在茂協有幾個人在那裡\n\n16\n00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:52,286\n茂賢目前有一位主任另外的話是當地僱員那位主任本身有沒有要撤離?他家人有沒有在那?主任他目前在德黑蘭不過他會依據情況會做一些相關的調整那個以色列撒空飄單是要在德黑蘭能趕快離開欸\n\n17\n00:05:54,276 --> 00:06:14,835\n我們那位主任安全也很重要甚至於他應該聯繫還剩餘的六位應該要往郊區避就是說因為這兩天看起來以色列空軍會先撒單子叫你離開這個區域那接下來真的就是會來炸嘛所以你們現在有沒有辦法跟這一位我們冒險的主任聯繫上\n\n18\n00:06:16,383 --> 00:06:31,222\n包委我們每天都有聯繫而且主任他自己對於其實他還沒有離開的一些撤離路線他都已經規劃好了包含可能往北往離海的方向或是往西往拓斜方向現在都規劃好那我們會依據實際的情況來去做任何即時的因應對我是覺得\n\n19\n00:06:32,503 --> 00:06:47,929\n他在當地最清楚我們在外面知道國際局勢他在當地知道當地的狀況有時候原來通的路會shutdown就關掉了所以安全第一啦我們的國人能夠撤離禁書撤離那這件事看起來我們外交部掌握得還不錯那我覺得要請問的是接下來就是\n\n20\n00:06:49,909 --> 00:07:16,558\n這一波當然在經濟上我們就會關心到油價啦黃金啦國際相關的經濟的議題這會影響地緣政治也會影響像美國有一個航母群已經開往那個位置所以它也會連動到印太地區的安全部署也會影響到這個烏克蘭那邊的戰爭像烏克蘭最近沒有拿到防空飛彈因為那些彈就移到了以色列那邊所以這個是其他的邊界影響我現在要提的是\n\n21\n00:07:17,518 --> 00:07:44,460\n就從去年發生的哈馬斯屠殺以色列人這個事件開始去年10月那在加薩地道的作戰以及伊朗它的核設施以及用飛彈對以色列發動了幾波的攻擊以及在以色列周邊伊朗的附庸不管是葉門的或者是黎巴嫩的這些相關的攻擊\n\n22\n00:07:46,459 --> 00:07:54,837\n據相關資訊顯示以色列人發現這裡面不管是在隧道裡面的武器大概九成以上都來自於中國\n\n23\n00:07:57,558 --> 00:08:21,970\n這個伊朗的核設施的能量來自中國上一次一艘一架來自中國的運輸機停在那個伊朗快被以色列炸掉那個飛機來自中國昨天三架從中國飛往伊朗的7370就是波音的飛機後來訊號關掉他們也相信這個是去運補伊朗那邊\n\n24\n00:08:23,030 --> 00:08:38,606\n所以以色列過去這長期以來是幫助中國武器現代化很重要的國家其實以色列跟中國很好那台灣跟以色列從我們大概第一代雄風飛彈以後直接的接觸就減少了\n\n25\n00:08:39,207 --> 00:09:04,306\n我要問的問題是部長這個讓你親自回答從去年到現在我們外交部跟以色列之間我們台語的關係是不是有因為這些局勢的改變台語關係有升溫我講的升溫是保護和呈現在交流的頻率交流的品質交流的層級以及不管在安全議題軍工業合作議題或者經貿議題上你的評估怎麼樣\n\n26\n00:09:09,881 --> 00:09:32,699\n確實如您講以前以色列跟中國的關係是包括在軍事還有武器上是有密切的關係但是自從這個中東的戰事發生之後我想他們已經很清楚中國在背後支持他們的敵對的治理\n\n27\n00:09:34,901 --> 00:09:45,989\n那跟台灣的部分,我想不只是說理念相近,現在地緣政治上也是厲害,關係是很密切所以在交流的程式跟範圍都有所提升\n\n28\n00:09:53,993 --> 00:10:21,887\n因為光我們在立法院連續接到的以色列訪問團頻率跟裡面的成員裡面成員擔任過部長級的擔任過摩薩德副手等級的都公開來所以我是覺得這個質跟量也許是一個彼此關係提升的契機那我最後30秒問一個簡單的問題這個因為不完全你們負責哥斯大黎加的情報安全局有派五個情報官來台灣授勧嗎\n\n29\n00:10:23,035 --> 00:10:48,393\n有還是沒有因為這不是我們外交部主管業務我就不予回答了不是透過我們海外住處去聯繫安排這個嗎我們對於一些國際交流有一定的都有掌握不過因為涉及到不是我們主管業務這個消息來源是來自於當地的媒體報導那哥斯拉伊加跟我們斷交相當時間了他2007年斷交到現在了\n\n30\n00:10:51,815 --> 00:11:08,531\n那哥斯大黎加近來因為資安問題跟中國產生了一些摩擦這個是背景那當地媒體報導說有五個他們情報局的人經由第三國來台灣參加情報安全培訓這個是坦白講\n\n31\n00:11:10,492 --> 00:11:36,720\n有的是屬於國安事務但是這個是一個朋友之間如果情報人員都去你那邊受訓的話這代表關係的提升所以這也是外交啦你不肯回答我不勉強啦就是說有關這個哥斯大利加情報安全局他們自己報導說有五個官員來台灣這件事情後續會不會引起中國的抗議中國跟哥斯大利加的變化以及台灣跟哥斯大利加的變化\n\n32\n00:11:37,620 --> 00:11:55,325\n我是建議外交部其實有一塊是相當於大的一塊其實是台美跟中南美洲的關係這個要掌握住啦所以川普政府更重視西半球特別是拉美那這個部分當然我們在外交空間上是有增加啦\n\n33\n00:11:55,805 --> 00:12:07,081\n那在交流方面,我們不以邦交國為對象,不論情報的交流,各種經貿交流,乃至於有一些政務的交流,都是有在推動當中\n\n34\n00:12:11,857 --> 00:12:27,542\n我們當然非邦交國主要理念相近我們現在總和外交其實都是積極在跟他們尋找交集建立彼此的互信合作機制這個有很多方面的層次那這一題我們會持續追蹤那我們向外交部繼續加油好謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1774\t22373\t大家好今天大家都關切中東的局勢那以色列伊朗的戰事升溫我想這個毋庸置疑啦川普最新的X Twitter推文上面只有寫兩個字叫做那個投降就是無條件投降他只寫兩個字所以看起來美國\n23874\t41068\t我們看他從不管是英國或義大利或其他單位他們的加油機、轟炸機大概都往中東集中所以除了以色列跟伊朗以外大概美國在這件事情上不會置身事外特別牽涉到核子武器這個是大概媒體都有報導的客觀局勢\n41989\t59850\t那我現在詢問的是我們外交部第一個我們外交部掌握國際局勢當然必要這待會請教你但是國人在外面的安全很重要因為我們旅遊警示是你們在公布的目前伊朗是紅色嘛是屬於第四級\n60811\t83567\t所以第四級是不建議前往,在那邊的還請他離開對不對對那我們對伊朗,我看伊拉克、伊朗、以色列、黎巴嫩這個區域,靠近黎巴嫩這個區域,我們都列為紅色第四級所以不建議前往,還要求他儘速離開那我們在這個區域有沒有撤僑的計畫\n85823\t104441\t在以色列我們目前都還沒有到撤僑沒有 那如果國人要離開外交部住處可以提供協助嗎協助包括好幾波透過我們路路啦交通載具然後離境的時候比如到約旦也有人去接所以你現在講的是已經有執行的\n104741\t134040\t有三坡 二十位從以色列離開那就有在執行嘛只是說你沒有主動啦現在就是說如果要離開的外交部目前透過陸路到約旦那已經走了三坡 大約二十名是然後需要徹底的人是向我們住處聯繫嗎我們好像有個聯繫的網絡嘛對 我們就是里外國人登錄表那個都是隨時在滾動式修正有沒有在我們掌握的國人以外的人目前在那裡的\n136258\t162086\t因為他們之間互相也都聯繫跟我們代表處常連都有聯繫因為其實以色列或是加薩索蘭或是這邊的戰事已經一段時間了一段時間了但伊朗這邊情況是比較形態因為人也比較少就九名那目前三名已經離境所以我先跟你確認一下我們現在以色列全境是列為第四級紅色還是有一部分維持在橙色北境跟加薩索蘭是第四級\n163966\t188218\t但其他的部分就是第三級就靠近黎巴嫩跟靠近加薩這一邊列為紅色第四級對其餘的維持在第三級第三級就是避免前往沒有勸離的一個呼籲所以現在如果我是位處在橙色的部分我希望撤離外交部也協助嗎也協助也要協助而且密切聯繫中\n189238\t209789\t那你現在掌握我們在那邊的目前真的還在那裡的台灣人有多少包含學生啊 經商啊 駕駛的270位所以我這邊 我看到就有的數據是280位因為已經有離境一些那剛剛同仁給我嘛 因為滾動室在修正目前是274位 還在目前274 對那離開有20位嘛 你剛才講20個嘛所以原來應該294在那個地方對啊 就數學嘛\n218974\t231771\t來274你剛才一開始我問你我們到底有多少台灣人在那裏委員是這樣子因為就像剛剛我們剛剛講的他是滾動式的他在怎麼滾數學不會變嗎不是 因為有些國人他是自己看到我們外館發佈訊息他主動來聯繫的\n233894\t251177\t沒有 有主動聯繫 因為有些是短期上有國人 我們的確可能我現在說 我們外交部要展現的是 我國人在以色列我有掌握住他們 是294位或290位目前是19位 18位或20位 這不能大約啦每一條 每一條台灣人都是珍貴的 所以我的意思說\n251798\t269879\t每一條生命都是非常寶貴的所以你剛才說有安排20位經過陸路到第三軌就是約旦而且有人接這是很好非常好安全出去了嘛所以那邊有多少人加上現在那裡還有多少人那就equal to那就等於我原來有多少人嘛沒有例外嘛例外就是我不知道的嘛\n270399\t287257\t沒錯 有些就是主動通報所以人數上會有一些變動的原因在這個地方所以我們現在台灣人 現在是274位現在現存274 是啊已經離開幾位 20位所以原來大概就是294 如果這樣加的話就294這沒有錯啦齁那伊朗那一邊呢 在伊朗的台灣人\n288052\t308302\t伊朗那邊原先我們掌握的是九位那現在有三位是剛剛部長提到他們已經從陸路到土耳其去了那最近呢還會有三位可能會往北邊東北邊往土耳其那他們的離開是我們有提供協助還是我們只是掌握訊息我們現在的話就是我們那個冒險德黑蘭一個辦公室他們有跟他們冒險主任跟他們都有當事人都有去\n308482\t335961\t那這有點像當時烏克蘭戰爭爆發的時候因為一開始烏克蘭當時也不讓我們有住宿在嘛所以是經由茂協一個專員在那地方提供相關的協助聯繫所以現在聽起來就是有三位在伊朗的台籍人士已經走陸路往土耳其方向走你說未來接下來還有三位要離開那我們在那邊提供行政協助的是茂協的駐地人員那我們現在茂協有幾個人在那裡\n337080\t352286\t茂賢目前有一位主任另外的話是當地僱員那位主任本身有沒有要撤離?他家人有沒有在那?主任他目前在德黑蘭不過他會依據情況會做一些相關的調整那個以色列撒空飄單是要在德黑蘭能趕快離開欸\n354276\t374835\t我們那位主任安全也很重要甚至於他應該聯繫還剩餘的六位應該要往郊區避就是說因為這兩天看起來以色列空軍會先撒單子叫你離開這個區域那接下來真的就是會來炸嘛所以你們現在有沒有辦法跟這一位我們冒險的主任聯繫上\n376383\t391222\t包委我們每天都有聯繫而且主任他自己對於其實他還沒有離開的一些撤離路線他都已經規劃好了包含可能往北往離海的方向或是往西往拓斜方向現在都規劃好那我們會依據實際的情況來去做任何即時的因應對我是覺得\n392503\t407929\t他在當地最清楚我們在外面知道國際局勢他在當地知道當地的狀況有時候原來通的路會shut down 就關掉了所以安全第一啦我們的國人能夠撤離 禁書撤離那這件事看起來我們外交部掌握得還不錯那我覺得要請問的是接下來就是\n409909\t436558\t這一波當然在經濟上我們就會關心到油價啦黃金啦國際相關的經濟的議題這會影響地緣政治也會影響像美國有一個航母群已經開往那個位置所以它也會連動到印太地區的安全部署也會影響到這個烏克蘭那邊的戰爭像烏克蘭最近沒有拿到防空飛彈因為那些彈就移到了以色列那邊所以這個是其他的邊界影響我現在要提的是\n437518\t464460\t就從去年發生的哈馬斯屠殺以色列人這個事件開始去年10月那在加薩地道的作戰以及伊朗它的核設施以及用飛彈對以色列發動了幾波的攻擊以及在以色列周邊伊朗的附庸不管是葉門的或者是黎巴嫩的這些相關的攻擊\n466459\t474837\t據相關資訊顯示以色列人發現這裡面不管是在隧道裡面的武器大概九成以上都來自於中國\n477558\t501970\t這個伊朗的核設施的能量來自中國上一次一艘一架來自中國的運輸機停在那個伊朗快被以色列炸掉那個飛機來自中國昨天三架從中國飛往伊朗的7370就是波音的飛機後來訊號關掉他們也相信這個是去運補伊朗那邊\n503030\t518606\t所以以色列過去這長期以來是幫助中國武器現代化很重要的國家其實以色列跟中國很好那台灣跟以色列從我們大概第一代雄風飛彈以後直接的接觸就減少了\n519207\t544306\t我要問的問題是 部長 這個讓你親自回答從去年到現在 我們外交部跟以色列之間我們台語的關係 是不是有因為這些局勢的改變台語關係有升溫 我講的升溫是保護和呈現在交流的頻率交流的品質 交流的層級以及不管在安全議題 軍工業合作議題或者經貿議題上 你的評估怎麼樣\n549881\t572699\t確實如您講以前以色列跟中國的關係是包括在軍事還有武器上是有密切的關係但是自從這個中東的戰事發生之後我想他們已經很清楚中國在背後支持他們的敵對的治理\n574901\t585989\t那跟台灣的部分,我想不只是說理念相近,現在地緣政治上也是厲害,關係是很密切所以在交流的程式跟範圍都有所提升\n593993\t621887\t因為光我們在立法院連續接到的以色列訪問團頻率跟裡面的成員裡面成員擔任過部長級的擔任過摩薩德副手等級的都公開來所以我是覺得這個質跟量也許是一個彼此關係提升的契機那我最後30秒問一個簡單的問題這個因為不完全你們負責哥斯大黎加的情報安全局有派五個情報官來台灣授勧嗎\n623035\t648393\t有還是沒有因為這不是我們外交部主管業務我就不予回答了不是透過我們海外住處去聯繫安排這個嗎我們對於一些國際交流有一定的都有掌握不過因為涉及到不是我們主管業務這個消息來源是來自於當地的媒體報導那哥斯拉伊加跟我們斷交相當時間了他2007年斷交到現在了\n651815\t668531\t那哥斯大黎加近來因為資安問題跟中國產生了一些摩擦這個是背景那當地媒體報導說有五個他們情報局的人經由第三國來台灣參加情報安全培訓這個是坦白講\n670492\t696720\t有的是屬於國安事務但是這個是一個朋友之間如果情報人員都去你那邊受訓的話這代表關係的提升所以這也是外交啦你不肯回答我不勉強啦就是說有關這個哥斯大利加情報安全局他們自己報導說有五個官員來台灣這件事情後續會不會引起中國的抗議中國跟哥斯大利加的變化以及台灣跟哥斯大利加的變化\n697620\t715325\t我是建議外交部其實有一塊是相當於大的一塊其實是台美跟中南美洲的關係這個要掌握住啦所以川普政府更重視西半球特別是拉美那這個部分當然我們在外交空間上是有增加啦\n715805\t727081\t那在交流方面,我們不以邦交國為對象,不論情報的交流,各種經貿交流,乃至於有一些政務的交流,都是有在推動當中\n731857\t747542\t我們當然非邦交國主要理念相近我們現在總和外交其實都是積極在跟他們尋找交集建立彼此的互信合作機制這個有很多方面的層次那這一題我們會持續追蹤那我們向外交部繼續加油好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"大家好今天大家都關切中東的局勢那以色列伊朗的戰事升溫我想這個毋庸置疑啦川普最新的X Twitter推文上面只有寫兩個字叫做那個投降就是無條件投降他只寫兩個字所以看起來美國\n我們看他從不管是英國或義大利或其他單位他們的加油機、轟炸機大概都往中東集中所以除了以色列跟伊朗以外大概美國在這件事情上不會置身事外特別牽涉到核子武器這個是大概媒體都有報導的客觀局勢\n那我現在詢問的是我們外交部第一個我們外交部掌握國際局勢當然必要這待會請教你但是國人在外面的安全很重要因為我們旅遊警示是你們在公布的目前伊朗是紅色嘛是屬於第四級\n所以第四級是不建議前往,在那邊的還請他離開對不對對那我們對伊朗,我看伊拉克、伊朗、以色列、黎巴嫩這個區域,靠近黎巴嫩這個區域,我們都列為紅色第四級所以不建議前往,還要求他儘速離開那我們在這個區域有沒有撤僑的計畫\n在以色列我們目前都還沒有到撤僑沒有 那如果國人要離開外交部住處可以提供協助嗎協助包括好幾波透過我們路路啦交通載具然後離境的時候比如到約旦也有人去接所以你現在講的是已經有執行的\n有三坡 二十位從以色列離開那就有在執行嘛只是說你沒有主動啦現在就是說如果要離開的外交部目前透過陸路到約旦那已經走了三坡 大約二十名是然後需要徹底的人是向我們住處聯繫嗎我們好像有個聯繫的網絡嘛對 我們就是里外國人登錄表那個都是隨時在滾動式修正有沒有在我們掌握的國人以外的人目前在那裡的\n因為他們之間互相也都聯繫跟我們代表處常連都有聯繫因為其實以色列或是加薩索蘭或是這邊的戰事已經一段時間了一段時間了但伊朗這邊情況是比較形態因為人也比較少就九名那目前三名已經離境所以我先跟你確認一下我們現在以色列全境是列為第四級紅色還是有一部分維持在橙色北境跟加薩索蘭是第四級\n但其他的部分就是第三級就靠近黎巴嫩跟靠近加薩這一邊列為紅色第四級對其餘的維持在第三級第三級就是避免前往沒有勸離的一個呼籲所以現在如果我是位處在橙色的部分我希望撤離外交部也協助嗎也協助也要協助而且密切聯繫中\n那你現在掌握我們在那邊的目前真的還在那裡的台灣人有多少包含學生啊 經商啊 駕駛的270位所以我這邊 我看到就有的數據是280位因為已經有離境一些那剛剛同仁給我嘛 因為滾動室在修正目前是274位 還在目前274 對那離開有20位嘛 你剛才講20個嘛所以原來應該294在那個地方對啊 就數學嘛\n來274你剛才一開始我問你我們到底有多少台灣人在那裏委員是這樣子因為就像剛剛我們剛剛講的他是滾動式的他在怎麼滾數學不會變嗎不是 因為有些國人他是自己看到我們外館發佈訊息他主動來聯繫的\n沒有 有主動聯繫 因為有些是短期上有國人 我們的確可能我現在說 我們外交部要展現的是 我國人在以色列我有掌握住他們 是294位或290位目前是19位 18位或20位 這不能大約啦每一條 每一條台灣人都是珍貴的 所以我的意思說\n每一條生命都是非常寶貴的所以你剛才說有安排20位經過陸路到第三軌就是約旦而且有人接這是很好非常好安全出去了嘛所以那邊有多少人加上現在那裡還有多少人那就equal to那就等於我原來有多少人嘛沒有例外嘛例外就是我不知道的嘛\n沒錯 有些就是主動通報所以人數上會有一些變動的原因在這個地方所以我們現在台灣人 現在是274位現在現存274 是啊已經離開幾位 20位所以原來大概就是294 如果這樣加的話就294這沒有錯啦齁那伊朗那一邊呢 在伊朗的台灣人\n伊朗那邊原先我們掌握的是九位那現在有三位是剛剛部長提到他們已經從陸路到土耳其去了那最近呢還會有三位可能會往北邊東北邊往土耳其那他們的離開是我們有提供協助還是我們只是掌握訊息我們現在的話就是我們那個冒險德黑蘭一個辦公室他們有跟他們冒險主任跟他們都有當事人都有去\n那這有點像當時烏克蘭戰爭爆發的時候因為一開始烏克蘭當時也不讓我們有住宿在嘛所以是經由茂協一個專員在那地方提供相關的協助聯繫所以現在聽起來就是有三位在伊朗的台籍人士已經走陸路往土耳其方向走你說未來接下來還有三位要離開那我們在那邊提供行政協助的是茂協的駐地人員那我們現在茂協有幾個人在那裡\n茂賢目前有一位主任另外的話是當地僱員那位主任本身有沒有要撤離?他家人有沒有在那?主任他目前在德黑蘭不過他會依據情況會做一些相關的調整那個以色列撒空飄單是要在德黑蘭能趕快離開欸\n我們那位主任安全也很重要甚至於他應該聯繫還剩餘的六位應該要往郊區避就是說因為這兩天看起來以色列空軍會先撒單子叫你離開這個區域那接下來真的就是會來炸嘛所以你們現在有沒有辦法跟這一位我們冒險的主任聯繫上\n包委我們每天都有聯繫而且主任他自己對於其實他還沒有離開的一些撤離路線他都已經規劃好了包含可能往北往離海的方向或是往西往拓斜方向現在都規劃好那我們會依據實際的情況來去做任何即時的因應對我是覺得\n他在當地最清楚我們在外面知道國際局勢他在當地知道當地的狀況有時候原來通的路會shut down 就關掉了所以安全第一啦我們的國人能夠撤離 禁書撤離那這件事看起來我們外交部掌握得還不錯那我覺得要請問的是接下來就是\n這一波當然在經濟上我們就會關心到油價啦黃金啦國際相關的經濟的議題這會影響地緣政治也會影響像美國有一個航母群已經開往那個位置所以它也會連動到印太地區的安全部署也會影響到這個烏克蘭那邊的戰爭像烏克蘭最近沒有拿到防空飛彈因為那些彈就移到了以色列那邊所以這個是其他的邊界影響我現在要提的是\n就從去年發生的哈馬斯屠殺以色列人這個事件開始去年10月那在加薩地道的作戰以及伊朗它的核設施以及用飛彈對以色列發動了幾波的攻擊以及在以色列周邊伊朗的附庸不管是葉門的或者是黎巴嫩的這些相關的攻擊\n據相關資訊顯示以色列人發現這裡面不管是在隧道裡面的武器大概九成以上都來自於中國\n這個伊朗的核設施的能量來自中國上一次一艘一架來自中國的運輸機停在那個伊朗快被以色列炸掉那個飛機來自中國昨天三架從中國飛往伊朗的7370就是波音的飛機後來訊號關掉他們也相信這個是去運補伊朗那邊\n所以以色列過去這長期以來是幫助中國武器現代化很重要的國家其實以色列跟中國很好那台灣跟以色列從我們大概第一代雄風飛彈以後直接的接觸就減少了\n我要問的問題是 部長 這個讓你親自回答從去年到現在 我們外交部跟以色列之間我們台語的關係 是不是有因為這些局勢的改變台語關係有升溫 我講的升溫是保護和呈現在交流的頻率交流的品質 交流的層級以及不管在安全議題 軍工業合作議題或者經貿議題上 你的評估怎麼樣\n確實如您講以前以色列跟中國的關係是包括在軍事還有武器上是有密切的關係但是自從這個中東的戰事發生之後我想他們已經很清楚中國在背後支持他們的敵對的治理\n那跟台灣的部分,我想不只是說理念相近,現在地緣政治上也是厲害,關係是很密切所以在交流的程式跟範圍都有所提升\n因為光我們在立法院連續接到的以色列訪問團頻率跟裡面的成員裡面成員擔任過部長級的擔任過摩薩德副手等級的都公開來所以我是覺得這個質跟量也許是一個彼此關係提升的契機那我最後30秒問一個簡單的問題這個因為不完全你們負責哥斯大黎加的情報安全局有派五個情報官來台灣授勧嗎\n有還是沒有因為這不是我們外交部主管業務我就不予回答了不是透過我們海外住處去聯繫安排這個嗎我們對於一些國際交流有一定的都有掌握不過因為涉及到不是我們主管業務這個消息來源是來自於當地的媒體報導那哥斯拉伊加跟我們斷交相當時間了他2007年斷交到現在了\n那哥斯大黎加近來因為資安問題跟中國產生了一些摩擦這個是背景那當地媒體報導說有五個他們情報局的人經由第三國來台灣參加情報安全培訓這個是坦白講\n有的是屬於國安事務但是這個是一個朋友之間如果情報人員都去你那邊受訓的話這代表關係的提升所以這也是外交啦你不肯回答我不勉強啦就是說有關這個哥斯大利加情報安全局他們自己報導說有五個官員來台灣這件事情後續會不會引起中國的抗議中國跟哥斯大利加的變化以及台灣跟哥斯大利加的變化\n我是建議外交部其實有一塊是相當於大的一塊其實是台美跟中南美洲的關係這個要掌握住啦所以川普政府更重視西半球特別是拉美那這個部分當然我們在外交空間上是有增加啦\n那在交流方面,我們不以邦交國為對象,不論情報的交流,各種經貿交流,乃至於有一些政務的交流,都是有在推動當中\n我們當然非邦交國主要理念相近我們現在總和外交其實都是積極在跟他們尋找交集建立彼此的互信合作機制這個有很多方面的層次那這一題我們會持續追蹤那我們向外交部繼續加油好 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.774 --> 00:22.373\n大家好今天大家都關切中東的局勢那以色列伊朗的戰事升溫我想這個毋庸置疑啦川普最新的XTwitter推文上面只有寫兩個字叫做那個投降就是無條件投降他只寫兩個字所以看起來美國\n\n00:23.874 --> 00:41.068\n我們看他從不管是英國或義大利或其他單位他們的加油機、轟炸機大概都往中東集中所以除了以色列跟伊朗以外大概美國在這件事情上不會置身事外特別牽涉到核子武器這個是大概媒體都有報導的客觀局勢\n\n00:41.989 --> 00:59.850\n那我現在詢問的是我們外交部第一個我們外交部掌握國際局勢當然必要這待會請教你但是國人在外面的安全很重要因為我們旅遊警示是你們在公布的目前伊朗是紅色嘛是屬於第四級\n\n01:00.811 --> 01:23.567\n所以第四級是不建議前往,在那邊的還請他離開對不對對那我們對伊朗,我看伊拉克、伊朗、以色列、黎巴嫩這個區域,靠近黎巴嫩這個區域,我們都列為紅色第四級所以不建議前往,還要求他儘速離開那我們在這個區域有沒有撤僑的計畫\n\n01:25.823 --> 01:44.441\n在以色列我們目前都還沒有到撤僑沒有那如果國人要離開外交部住處可以提供協助嗎協助包括好幾波透過我們路路啦交通載具然後離境的時候比如到約旦也有人去接所以你現在講的是已經有執行的\n\n01:44.741 --> 02:14.040\n有三坡二十位從以色列離開那就有在執行嘛只是說你沒有主動啦現在就是說如果要離開的外交部目前透過陸路到約旦那已經走了三坡大約二十名是然後需要徹底的人是向我們住處聯繫嗎我們好像有個聯繫的網絡嘛對我們就是里外國人登錄表那個都是隨時在滾動式修正有沒有在我們掌握的國人以外的人目前在那裡的\n\n02:16.258 --> 02:42.086\n因為他們之間互相也都聯繫跟我們代表處常連都有聯繫因為其實以色列或是加薩索蘭或是這邊的戰事已經一段時間了一段時間了但伊朗這邊情況是比較形態因為人也比較少就九名那目前三名已經離境所以我先跟你確認一下我們現在以色列全境是列為第四級紅色還是有一部分維持在橙色北境跟加薩索蘭是第四級\n\n02:43.966 --> 03:08.218\n但其他的部分就是第三級就靠近黎巴嫩跟靠近加薩這一邊列為紅色第四級對其餘的維持在第三級第三級就是避免前往沒有勸離的一個呼籲所以現在如果我是位處在橙色的部分我希望撤離外交部也協助嗎也協助也要協助而且密切聯繫中\n\n03:09.238 --> 03:29.789\n那你現在掌握我們在那邊的目前真的還在那裡的台灣人有多少包含學生啊經商啊駕駛的270位所以我這邊我看到就有的數據是280位因為已經有離境一些那剛剛同仁給我嘛因為滾動室在修正目前是274位還在目前274對那離開有20位嘛你剛才講20個嘛所以原來應該294在那個地方對啊就數學嘛\n\n03:38.974 --> 03:51.771\n來274你剛才一開始我問你我們到底有多少台灣人在那裏委員是這樣子因為就像剛剛我們剛剛講的他是滾動式的他在怎麼滾數學不會變嗎不是因為有些國人他是自己看到我們外館發佈訊息他主動來聯繫的\n\n03:53.894 --> 04:11.177\n沒有有主動聯繫因為有些是短期上有國人我們的確可能我現在說我們外交部要展現的是我國人在以色列我有掌握住他們是294位或290位目前是19位18位或20位這不能大約啦每一條每一條台灣人都是珍貴的所以我的意思說\n\n04:11.798 --> 04:29.879\n每一條生命都是非常寶貴的所以你剛才說有安排20位經過陸路到第三軌就是約旦而且有人接這是很好非常好安全出去了嘛所以那邊有多少人加上現在那裡還有多少人那就equalto那就等於我原來有多少人嘛沒有例外嘛例外就是我不知道的嘛\n\n04:30.399 --> 04:47.257\n沒錯有些就是主動通報所以人數上會有一些變動的原因在這個地方所以我們現在台灣人現在是274位現在現存274是啊已經離開幾位20位所以原來大概就是294如果這樣加的話就294這沒有錯啦齁那伊朗那一邊呢在伊朗的台灣人\n\n04:48.052 --> 05:08.302\n伊朗那邊原先我們掌握的是九位那現在有三位是剛剛部長提到他們已經從陸路到土耳其去了那最近呢還會有三位可能會往北邊東北邊往土耳其那他們的離開是我們有提供協助還是我們只是掌握訊息我們現在的話就是我們那個冒險德黑蘭一個辦公室他們有跟他們冒險主任跟他們都有當事人都有去\n\n05:08.482 --> 05:35.961\n那這有點像當時烏克蘭戰爭爆發的時候因為一開始烏克蘭當時也不讓我們有住宿在嘛所以是經由茂協一個專員在那地方提供相關的協助聯繫所以現在聽起來就是有三位在伊朗的台籍人士已經走陸路往土耳其方向走你說未來接下來還有三位要離開那我們在那邊提供行政協助的是茂協的駐地人員那我們現在茂協有幾個人在那裡\n\n05:37.080 --> 05:52.286\n茂賢目前有一位主任另外的話是當地僱員那位主任本身有沒有要撤離?他家人有沒有在那?主任他目前在德黑蘭不過他會依據情況會做一些相關的調整那個以色列撒空飄單是要在德黑蘭能趕快離開欸\n\n05:54.276 --> 06:14.835\n我們那位主任安全也很重要甚至於他應該聯繫還剩餘的六位應該要往郊區避就是說因為這兩天看起來以色列空軍會先撒單子叫你離開這個區域那接下來真的就是會來炸嘛所以你們現在有沒有辦法跟這一位我們冒險的主任聯繫上\n\n06:16.383 --> 06:31.222\n包委我們每天都有聯繫而且主任他自己對於其實他還沒有離開的一些撤離路線他都已經規劃好了包含可能往北往離海的方向或是往西往拓斜方向現在都規劃好那我們會依據實際的情況來去做任何即時的因應對我是覺得\n\n06:32.503 --> 06:47.929\n他在當地最清楚我們在外面知道國際局勢他在當地知道當地的狀況有時候原來通的路會shutdown就關掉了所以安全第一啦我們的國人能夠撤離禁書撤離那這件事看起來我們外交部掌握得還不錯那我覺得要請問的是接下來就是\n\n06:49.909 --> 07:16.558\n這一波當然在經濟上我們就會關心到油價啦黃金啦國際相關的經濟的議題這會影響地緣政治也會影響像美國有一個航母群已經開往那個位置所以它也會連動到印太地區的安全部署也會影響到這個烏克蘭那邊的戰爭像烏克蘭最近沒有拿到防空飛彈因為那些彈就移到了以色列那邊所以這個是其他的邊界影響我現在要提的是\n\n07:17.518 --> 07:44.460\n就從去年發生的哈馬斯屠殺以色列人這個事件開始去年10月那在加薩地道的作戰以及伊朗它的核設施以及用飛彈對以色列發動了幾波的攻擊以及在以色列周邊伊朗的附庸不管是葉門的或者是黎巴嫩的這些相關的攻擊\n\n07:46.459 --> 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