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00:01:31,902\n在這個規定當中會揭出他的新聞證不是說今天你進來台灣明天就可以揭出新聞證是要等久以來的時間才有辦法去揭出新聞證揭出新聞證就是標示他是中華民國台灣人的新聞證的新聞\n\n6\n00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:57,844\n所以他站在他的新聞上,就表示中華民國所有的福利所有的可以收錢,台灣人都可以收到的福利今天,我們就是說,要怎麼拿這個法\n\n7\n00:02:11,156 --> 00:02:22,439\n太好了,因為我所了解的,在我們這裡,你如果覺得說數的跟中的,你們常常都會覺得說是政務的論用,還是常務的論用,但是在這幾宗我們的司法裡面,台北我們譬如說\n\n8\n00:02:35,982 --> 00:03:00,814\n觀光署跟健保署都用政務任用的啦在這個規定當中我覺得三級的機關裡面本質上我們都會用常務任用嘛但是在非有做這個規定所以我們可以開放政務任用或是可以用出\n\n9\n00:03:01,994 --> 00:03:05,977\n更好的人才所以今天我們所討論的來賓在這裡我要跟你說的就是常務任用是看來賓有什麼事在13\n\n10\n00:03:16,806 --> 00:03:22,470\n要不然在規定裡面最有任用的法條裡面要不然在這個規定當中我們可以法條裡面可以寫出來政府可以比較堅韌\n\n11\n00:03:35,858 --> 00:03:41,582\n因為我覺得這裡面的過程有時候會覺得說要說清楚沒亂吵吵你跟現在想要合作的想要做的最少有七八十項如果改良後改良後七八十項的時候人員就要加重金要跟一百人\n\n12\n00:04:03,058 --> 00:04:30,671\n所以在這個過程當中,我就是要跟你討論的說我們這樣,你的感覺有困難度在哪裡?你們政府一來這個法要出來的時候你們在內部裡面的區會裡面,有遇到什麼問題嗎?來請回答一下好,謝謝委員,我想基本法通過之後其實我們現在最重要的就是依照基本法的內容做業務分工\n\n13\n00:04:31,371 --> 00:04:52,759\n所以業務分工才會有相關的部會就我剛剛一開始講的勞動、教育、社福等等的文化那因為這些東西的部分裡面如果有一些個別細節的部分譬如說任用權、通譯還有一些像學術、交流那這些東西有些東西本來是原本散在各個部會的\n\n14\n00:04:53,879 --> 00:05:16,755\n那我們這一次就是要跟各部會就是說他的執掌業務哪一些是可以移撥給我的所以我要跟他討論所以我們跟他開啟示哪一些是他業務移撥人員不移撥這個都雖然都很細項但是如果沒有一個完整的做調整的話新住民發展署不可能去承接所有其他部位的業務我想這個是最主要的所以我們這次會調整四個組12顆其實有一些業務都是我們\n\n15\n00:05:17,515 --> 00:05:25,811\n配合基本法之後所新增下來的那這個部分都還沒有辦法做一個完整的釐清的時候我們沒有辦法把組織法送上來最主要是這個部分\n\n16\n00:05:26,681 --> 00:05:32,747\n所以你們沒辦法上來就是另外一個問題嘛你們開始在那裡整合的心想說在一個單位在一個單位可以來在這個生活裡面來做來的服務嘛所以到目前為止你們還沒想到要怎麼可以更好、更快\n\n17\n00:05:48,810 --> 00:06:10,957\n我想跟你們報告其實我們大概都準備好了啦那只是接下來就是說還有跟部會的後續分工我們只要再確認說哪些業務不移波哪些業務留在原來可能是勞動文化教育衛福的部分我們繼續留著但是有一些新的部分其實像這次的組織法裡面談到的有關保險還有國家考試的任用權那這個部分其實有些是逾越我三級機關的組織法所應該能夠寫的啦\n\n18\n00:06:13,078 --> 00:06:25,723\n大概是這樣子因為這裡跟你討論就是說我們的背景我們也要照顧到新的住民法我們也要照顧到我們當然要照顧新的住民法但是剛才本席就是跟你說就是有這個問題說額後期的加分說實在現在大家都很聰明的尤其既然你已經來到台灣的生活的時候我相信\n\n19\n00:06:39,368 --> 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