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00:03:02,128\n總共被裁罰了7次那這罰款5500多萬但是他卻只繳了14000多塊的這些罰金那這7次的查緝獎金跟檢舉獎金就被領走2482萬\n\n10\n00:03:04,531 --> 00:03:30,234\n那如果依照海巡單位自己的說法說查緝一千萬的私菸最高獎金是四百八十萬就四十八趴這相當高喔那二零二三年查獲的私菸市價是八點五九億獎金發了八千多萬減少七百一十八萬包但是件數增加四千五百八十九件這個很明顯的內神通外鬼不知道A組有多少錢部長\n\n11\n00:03:31,855 --> 00:03:50,306\n太晚發現釀成了這樣子的一個大錯這是一個大問題所以請教部長你要如何精進如何檢討那國庫署這邊有沒有跟你提出相關的檢討報告可不可以跟我們說明一下謝謝謝謝委員我想第一個就是包數減少但是呢查獲的件數增加\n\n12\n00:03:50,926 --> 00:03:55,351\n主要的原因第一個就是說原來濕煙它透過走邊境走濕轉化成為在國內的地下煙廠來濕製來產製這個濕煙而且這個地下煙廠原來是屬於大規模的那個比較大的機器設備而現在是採小規模但是它地點分散所以在查氣的難度上確實有提高那件數增加\n\n13\n00:04:13,189 --> 00:04:35,146\n我想這個部分我們已經有所說那當然還有當然今天發生就是說我們發現這個海巡這樣的一個不法的事件是絕對不應該的但是也不能因為這個事件而去抹殺到其他的查緝人員跟查緝機關的努力我想還是有合法的海巡同仁包含地方政府都在努力的查緝我要告訴部長\n\n14\n00:04:36,587 --> 00:04:44,634\n部長因為我們不只是食菸啦包括茶蔻的這些成品半成品原料還有產製的器具是不是都應該銷毀沒有錯都應該銷毀但是但是但是我們講牛食藝齁2023年9月齁我們這個\n\n15\n00:04:52,180 --> 00:04:56,264\n前年派人到彰化和美倉庫辦理實驗室被銷毀的時候卻發現我們的查緝人員僅將這些機器都拋棄在廢鐵回收區沒有針對馬達、主機板、主體結構等重要部位進行破壞\n\n16\n00:05:09,297 --> 00:05:33,030\n還把這些高單價的像包裝機這個部分刻意藏匿於這個鐵罐區你們的報告裡面有說為了要避免查獲的私菸原料器具再度流出做非法的用途所以財政部會依菸酒管理法57條沒收或者是沒收之後儘速銷毀那請問部長你有沒有規定一個銷毀的期限\n\n17\n00:05:35,496 --> 00:05:40,001\n我沒有規定應該要做這樣的事情對她還沒做對她沒有做表示說沒有徹底自己那至於怎麼樣強化這樣的一個機制財政部也一直在努力然後下個禮拜我們會邀同相關的機關來把制度上更做的經濟我們把這個銷毀把它明訂出來\n\n18\n00:05:55,117 --> 00:06:22,840\n好不好避免這些東西沒有被銷毀然後又流入市場造成不當的這些人士不孝的這些人士變成他們來練財啦好謝謝委員的指教謝謝那再請教部長就是說其實這款事常常發生啦拖龍轉鳳啦拖天換日啦這些東西把一些比較沒有價值的價值性低的或者是去做更換那所以我這邊要講的就是說\n\n19\n00:06:24,773 --> 00:06:40,251\n事實上就是這些器具跟成品總是能夠逃離執法人員的法眼再度的流入市場甚至有一些已經到了焚化廠但是委外辦理的這些人操作的人\n\n20\n00:06:42,153 --> 00:07:07,717\n原來要銷毀的這些違規的這些菸品或者是器具被偷糧換住然後變成他們私自販賣得利的這樣子的一些情況所以這個問題是顯示說我們原來在查緝上跟銷毀制度上的不夠完整剛剛部長你也提到很多東西沒有明併對不對沒有強化所以這部分下禮拜就拜託部長\n\n21\n00:07:08,557 --> 00:07:30,635\n把這些我們需要補強的部分把它強化之後好不好讓我們的制度能夠更加的完善謝謝委員的指教我們這個一定把它納入對當然這個查緝銷毀這部分是要強化但是至於說我們的檢舉跟獎勵制度上也要做更全面的修正好的也要做一個更更嚴密的一個制度的設計是的謝謝委員的指教謝謝部長部長請回\n\n22\n00:07:34,658 --> 00:07:38,981\n這還是加一部分有請我們衛福部邱部長還有國建署的吳署長\n\n23\n00:07:44,710 --> 00:08:13,393\n委員好部長好署長好這個主管機關是我們衛福部跟國界署那當然我要強調就是說我們不鼓勵抽菸啦但是剛剛很多委員都有提到就是說因為造成因為加熱菸的這樣子的狀況那造成現在走失猖獗走失猖獗那因為這是因為政府的不作為嘛不可以說現在\n\n24\n00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:41,622\n除了是走私猖獗也是國庫的損失啦變成說讓這些民眾要去用高價購買這些走私菸所以這沒有人樂見啦剛剛我們很多委員都有提出嘛提出說要求說我們計數什麼時間之內能夠完成審查那我想請教說部長跟署長可不可以請你們定出一個時間到底多久才會完成這個審查就是加熱菸的這個部分\n\n25\n00:08:44,671 --> 00:09:02,968\n確定的時間當然我不敢講因為這是審查會的審查裡面的專家學者有沒有針對資料然後做投票的一個過程我想這個部分很多很多的審查都是這樣子所以這要尊重半年之內有沒有辦法半年\n\n26\n00:09:03,989 --> 00:09:21,545\n我想我們一定在這裡面盡量來完成這樣的一個我們會站在人民的健康、社會的關注以及說國家應該來看看怎麼樣均衡這些健康跟社會問題我們政府就是要來解決問題的我們會盡速來解決這些問題\n\n27\n00:09:24,688 --> 00:09:43,762\n對啦部長跟署長要請你們再加把勁啦像去年光是加熱煙就增加了1.3倍走失的部分喔這是有查獲的喔那沒有查獲的我們不知道有多少當然因為他還沒有審查過所以基本上他也是屬於要查緝的對對對沒錯好謝謝部長跟署長要再請我們海巡署的謝副署長謝副署長請\n\n28\n00:10:01,673 --> 00:10:24,526\n這個警方出估類似的詐領獎金的事件恐怕已經持續五年以上那國庫損失的部分已經高達數億元這個還不包括非法的私菸流入市場但是你們跳出來說詐領的金額沒有高達上億元是媒體錯誤的報導那我想海巡署發生了這麼嚴重的漏洞\n\n29\n00:10:26,127 --> 00:10:52,667\n實在是讓人無法接受應該是要怎麼樣強化這個法紀的教育這些空洞的說辭都沒有辦法為你們為整個海巡署在發生這麼嚴重的這樣子的一個狀況之下嚴重的漏洞你們除了處分這個偵辦的偵查員之外還有沒有什麼其他具體的做法\n\n30\n00:10:53,428 --> 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茶器一直是國人關心的重點\n89841\t94724\t那你們這個實驗查緝作業的報告指出說1月3年查緝違法菸品1,120萬包那1月2年查緝查獲數量是1,838萬包相較減少了718萬\n107533\t122312\t這個煙啦但是件數增加了4589件現在看起來就是件數增加是因為有假發現增炸彩的情況這個部分新聞都有寫啦因為這不是口說空口說的這個部分新聞分別都海巡人員這個\n125295\t149031\t涉勾結私煙集團詐領查緝獎金還有就是加熱煙走私 年成長86%海關人員說政府不徵稅 偷垮基層海巡抓煙暴集團集體貪污這個勾結集團詐領高額獎金的部分那所以我想這個部分\n152582\t165490\t利用街友低收入戶當人頭然後乍領茶企這個私菸獎金國庫直接變成他們的提款機那人頭戶原本帳戶收入不多但是在2019、2023年間開設的私菸工廠\n168952\t182128\t總共被裁罰了7次那這罰款5500多萬但是他卻只繳了14000多塊的這些罰金那這7次的查緝獎金跟檢舉獎金就被領走2482萬\n184531\t210234\t那如果依照海巡單位自己的說法說查緝一千萬的私菸最高獎金是四百八十萬就四十八趴 這相當高喔那二零二三年查獲的私菸市價是八點五九億獎金發了八千多萬減少七百一十八萬包但是件數增加四千五百八十九件這個很明顯的內神通外鬼不知道A組有多少錢部長\n211855\t230306\t太晚發現釀成了這樣子的一個大錯這是一個大問題所以請教部長你要如何精進如何檢討那國庫署這邊有沒有跟你提出相關的檢討報告可不可以跟我們說明一下謝謝 謝謝委員我想第一個就是包數減少但是呢 查獲的件數增加\n230926\t235351\t主要的原因第一個就是說原來濕煙它透過走邊境走濕轉化成為在國內的地下煙廠來濕製來產製這個濕煙而且這個地下煙廠原來是屬於大規模的那個比較大的機器設備而現在是採小規模但是它地點分散所以在查氣的難度上確實有提高那件數增加\n253189\t275146\t我想這個部分我們已經有所說那當然還有當然今天發生就是說我們發現這個海巡這樣的一個不法的事件是絕對不應該的但是也不能因為這個事件而去抹殺到其他的查緝人員跟查緝機關的努力我想還是有合法的海巡同仁包含地方政府都在努力的查緝我要告訴部長\n276587\t284634\t部長因為我們不只是食菸啦包括茶蔻的這些成品 半成品 原料還有產製的器具是不是都應該銷毀沒有錯 都應該銷毀但是但是但是我們講牛食藝齁2023年9月齁我們這個\n292180\t296264\t前年派人到彰化和美倉庫辦理實驗室被銷毀的時候卻發現我們的查緝人員僅將這些機器都拋棄在廢鐵回收區沒有針對馬達、主機板、主體結構等重要部位進行破壞\n309297\t333030\t還把這些高單價的像包裝機這個部分刻意藏匿於這個鐵罐區你們的報告裡面有說為了要避免查獲的私菸原料器具再度流出做非法的用途所以財政部會依菸酒管理法57條沒收或者是沒收之後儘速銷毀那請問部長你有沒有規定一個銷毀的期限\n335496\t340001\t我沒有規定應該要做這樣的事情對 她還沒做對 她沒有做表示說沒有徹底自己那至於怎麼樣強化這樣的一個機制財政部也一直在努力然後下個禮拜我們會邀同相關的機關來把制度上更做的經濟我們把這個銷毀把它明訂出來\n355117\t382840\t好不好 避免這些東西沒有被銷毀然後又流入市場造成不當的這些人士不孝的這些人士變成他們來練財啦好 謝謝委員的指教 謝謝那再請教部長就是說其實這款事常常發生啦拖龍轉鳳啦 拖天換日啦這些東西把一些比較沒有價值的價值性低的或者是去做更換那所以我這邊要講的就是說\n384773\t400251\t事實上就是這些器具跟成品總是能夠逃離執法人員的法眼再度的流入市場甚至有一些已經到了焚化廠但是委外辦理的這些人操作的人\n402153\t427717\t原來要銷毀的這些違規的這些菸品或者是器具被偷糧換住然後變成他們私自販賣得利的這樣子的一些情況所以這個問題是顯示說我們原來在查緝上跟銷毀制度上的不夠完整剛剛部長你也提到很多東西沒有明併對不對 沒有強化所以這部分下禮拜就拜託部長\n428557\t450635\t把這些我們需要補強的部分把它強化之後好不好讓我們的制度能夠更加的完善謝謝委員的指教我們這個一定把它納入對當然這個查緝銷毀這部分是要強化但是至於說我們的檢舉跟獎勵制度上也要做更全面的修正好的也要做一個更更嚴密的一個制度的設計是的謝謝委員的指教謝謝部長部長請回\n454658\t458981\t這還是加一部分 有請我們衛福部邱部長還有國建署的吳署長\n464710\t493393\t委員好部長好 署長好這個主管機關是我們衛福部跟國界署那當然我要強調就是說我們不鼓勵抽菸啦但是剛剛很多委員都有提到就是說因為造成因為加熱菸的這樣子的狀況那造成現在走失猖獗走失猖獗那因為這是因為政府的不作為嘛不可以說現在\n495000\t521622\t除了是走私猖獗也是國庫的損失啦變成說讓這些民眾要去用高價購買這些走私菸所以這沒有人樂見啦剛剛我們很多委員都有提出嘛提出說要求說我們計數什麼時間之內能夠完成審查那我想請教說部長跟署長可不可以請你們定出一個時間到底多久才會完成這個審查就是加熱菸的這個部分\n524671\t542968\t確定的時間當然我不敢講因為這是審查會的審查裡面的專家學者有沒有針對資料然後做投票的一個過程我想這個部分很多很多的審查都是這樣子所以這要尊重半年之內有沒有辦法 半年\n543989\t561545\t我想我們一定在這裡面盡量來完成這樣的一個我們會站在人民的健康、社會的關注以及說國家應該來看看怎麼樣均衡這些健康跟社會問題我們政府就是要來解決問題的我們會盡速來解決這些問題\n564688\t583762\t對啦 部長跟署長要請你們再加把勁啦像去年光是加熱煙就增加了1.3倍走失的部分喔這是有查獲的喔那沒有查獲的我們不知道有多少當然因為他還沒有審查過所以基本上他也是屬於要查緝的對對對 沒錯好 謝謝部長跟署長要再請我們海巡署的謝副署長謝副署長請\n601673\t624526\t這個警方出估類似的詐領獎金的事件恐怕已經持續五年以上那國庫損失的部分已經高達數億元這個還不包括非法的私菸流入市場但是你們跳出來說詐領的金額沒有高達上億元是媒體錯誤的報導那我想海巡署發生了這麼嚴重的漏洞\n626127\t652667\t實在是讓人無法接受應該是要怎麼樣強化這個法紀的教育這些空洞的說辭都沒有辦法為你們為整個海巡署在發生這麼嚴重的這樣子的一個狀況之下嚴重的漏洞你們除了處分這個偵辦的偵查員之外還有沒有什麼其他具體的做法\n653428\t670605\t謝謝委員 委員我們除了我們對於危有犯罪絕對零容忍這個涉案被激要我們立即免職另外交保兩位我們列入年底考機要太除另外在精進作法部分所有類案我們做檢舉筆錄的時候隊長要在場\n672927\t697445\t要核花檢舉獎金的時候 政風人員要督辦不僅保護當事人身份 也要確認檢舉事實的真實性接下來我們也全面清查類案跟委員報告 我們現在清查目前這個案 彰化地檢署在偵辦這個案子最近三年 台中地檢署有申請只有一個案子石原工廠 核花是171萬元\n699446\t725912\t目前我們掌握是這一件那當然我們排除其他案件我們清查中目前包括地緣署也還沒有其他具體的線索只有這一件這一件核發是只有171萬元那如果說講數億元的話對於絕大多數辛苦奉獻的因為時間到了所以我想就是說你還是要這個要挽回大家對海巡署的信心那必須要有些具體作文好不好那你也要為國庫的損失\n727532\t728453\t提出合理的交代\n","txt":"總部長早總部長今天是6月19號目前的報稅情況如何預收金額跟目前的時收數達成率是多少可不可以簡單說明一下\n跟委員說明 今年因為所得稅的申報以及繳納的期限延長到6月底到6月17號為止 中鎖稅已經完成申報的有583萬件 大概達成了85%還有15萬還沒有完成申報那在中鎖稅的部分呢 已經完成了88%\n那至於在稅收的部分呢大概是我們目前來說只有統計到五月底那這個數字其實在比較的基礎上比較沒有具有太大的意義因為今年整個繳納的期限延到六月底所以五月底的數字跟去年的同期當然是有一段很大的差距是\n是的 分別是85%跟88%這個是申報的件數大概到6月17號還是要呼籲一下民眾儘早完成報稅是的 還有剩12天我們希望民眾在期限內完成回到主題我們那個私菸 茶器一直是國人關心的重點\n那你們這個實驗查緝作業的報告指出說1月3年查緝違法菸品1,120萬包那1月2年查緝查獲數量是1,838萬包相較減少了718萬\n這個煙啦但是件數增加了4589件現在看起來就是件數增加是因為有假發現增炸彩的情況這個部分新聞都有寫啦因為這不是口說空口說的這個部分新聞分別都海巡人員這個\n涉勾結私煙集團詐領查緝獎金還有就是加熱煙走私 年成長86%海關人員說政府不徵稅 偷垮基層海巡抓煙暴集團集體貪污這個勾結集團詐領高額獎金的部分那所以我想這個部分\n利用街友低收入戶當人頭然後乍領茶企這個私菸獎金國庫直接變成他們的提款機那人頭戶原本帳戶收入不多但是在2019、2023年間開設的私菸工廠\n總共被裁罰了7次那這罰款5500多萬但是他卻只繳了14000多塊的這些罰金那這7次的查緝獎金跟檢舉獎金就被領走2482萬\n那如果依照海巡單位自己的說法說查緝一千萬的私菸最高獎金是四百八十萬就四十八趴 這相當高喔那二零二三年查獲的私菸市價是八點五九億獎金發了八千多萬減少七百一十八萬包但是件數增加四千五百八十九件這個很明顯的內神通外鬼不知道A組有多少錢部長\n太晚發現釀成了這樣子的一個大錯這是一個大問題所以請教部長你要如何精進如何檢討那國庫署這邊有沒有跟你提出相關的檢討報告可不可以跟我們說明一下謝謝 謝謝委員我想第一個就是包數減少但是呢 查獲的件數增加\n主要的原因第一個就是說原來濕煙它透過走邊境走濕轉化成為在國內的地下煙廠來濕製來產製這個濕煙而且這個地下煙廠原來是屬於大規模的那個比較大的機器設備而現在是採小規模但是它地點分散所以在查氣的難度上確實有提高那件數增加\n我想這個部分我們已經有所說那當然還有當然今天發生就是說我們發現這個海巡這樣的一個不法的事件是絕對不應該的但是也不能因為這個事件而去抹殺到其他的查緝人員跟查緝機關的努力我想還是有合法的海巡同仁包含地方政府都在努力的查緝我要告訴部長\n部長因為我們不只是食菸啦包括茶蔻的這些成品 半成品 原料還有產製的器具是不是都應該銷毀沒有錯 都應該銷毀但是但是但是我們講牛食藝齁2023年9月齁我們這個\n前年派人到彰化和美倉庫辦理實驗室被銷毀的時候卻發現我們的查緝人員僅將這些機器都拋棄在廢鐵回收區沒有針對馬達、主機板、主體結構等重要部位進行破壞\n還把這些高單價的像包裝機這個部分刻意藏匿於這個鐵罐區你們的報告裡面有說為了要避免查獲的私菸原料器具再度流出做非法的用途所以財政部會依菸酒管理法57條沒收或者是沒收之後儘速銷毀那請問部長你有沒有規定一個銷毀的期限\n我沒有規定應該要做這樣的事情對 她還沒做對 她沒有做表示說沒有徹底自己那至於怎麼樣強化這樣的一個機制財政部也一直在努力然後下個禮拜我們會邀同相關的機關來把制度上更做的經濟我們把這個銷毀把它明訂出來\n好不好 避免這些東西沒有被銷毀然後又流入市場造成不當的這些人士不孝的這些人士變成他們來練財啦好 謝謝委員的指教 謝謝那再請教部長就是說其實這款事常常發生啦拖龍轉鳳啦 拖天換日啦這些東西把一些比較沒有價值的價值性低的或者是去做更換那所以我這邊要講的就是說\n事實上就是這些器具跟成品總是能夠逃離執法人員的法眼再度的流入市場甚至有一些已經到了焚化廠但是委外辦理的這些人操作的人\n原來要銷毀的這些違規的這些菸品或者是器具被偷糧換住然後變成他們私自販賣得利的這樣子的一些情況所以這個問題是顯示說我們原來在查緝上跟銷毀制度上的不夠完整剛剛部長你也提到很多東西沒有明併對不對 沒有強化所以這部分下禮拜就拜託部長\n把這些我們需要補強的部分把它強化之後好不好讓我們的制度能夠更加的完善謝謝委員的指教我們這個一定把它納入對當然這個查緝銷毀這部分是要強化但是至於說我們的檢舉跟獎勵制度上也要做更全面的修正好的也要做一個更更嚴密的一個制度的設計是的謝謝委員的指教謝謝部長部長請回\n這還是加一部分 有請我們衛福部邱部長還有國建署的吳署長\n委員好部長好 署長好這個主管機關是我們衛福部跟國界署那當然我要強調就是說我們不鼓勵抽菸啦但是剛剛很多委員都有提到就是說因為造成因為加熱菸的這樣子的狀況那造成現在走失猖獗走失猖獗那因為這是因為政府的不作為嘛不可以說現在\n除了是走私猖獗也是國庫的損失啦變成說讓這些民眾要去用高價購買這些走私菸所以這沒有人樂見啦剛剛我們很多委員都有提出嘛提出說要求說我們計數什麼時間之內能夠完成審查那我想請教說部長跟署長可不可以請你們定出一個時間到底多久才會完成這個審查就是加熱菸的這個部分\n確定的時間當然我不敢講因為這是審查會的審查裡面的專家學者有沒有針對資料然後做投票的一個過程我想這個部分很多很多的審查都是這樣子所以這要尊重半年之內有沒有辦法 半年\n我想我們一定在這裡面盡量來完成這樣的一個我們會站在人民的健康、社會的關注以及說國家應該來看看怎麼樣均衡這些健康跟社會問題我們政府就是要來解決問題的我們會盡速來解決這些問題\n對啦 部長跟署長要請你們再加把勁啦像去年光是加熱煙就增加了1.3倍走失的部分喔這是有查獲的喔那沒有查獲的我們不知道有多少當然因為他還沒有審查過所以基本上他也是屬於要查緝的對對對 沒錯好 謝謝部長跟署長要再請我們海巡署的謝副署長謝副署長請\n這個警方出估類似的詐領獎金的事件恐怕已經持續五年以上那國庫損失的部分已經高達數億元這個還不包括非法的私菸流入市場但是你們跳出來說詐領的金額沒有高達上億元是媒體錯誤的報導那我想海巡署發生了這麼嚴重的漏洞\n實在是讓人無法接受應該是要怎麼樣強化這個法紀的教育這些空洞的說辭都沒有辦法為你們為整個海巡署在發生這麼嚴重的這樣子的一個狀況之下嚴重的漏洞你們除了處分這個偵辦的偵查員之外還有沒有什麼其他具體的做法\n謝謝委員 委員我們除了我們對於危有犯罪絕對零容忍這個涉案被激要我們立即免職另外交保兩位我們列入年底考機要太除另外在精進作法部分所有類案我們做檢舉筆錄的時候隊長要在場\n要核花檢舉獎金的時候 政風人員要督辦不僅保護當事人身份 也要確認檢舉事實的真實性接下來我們也全面清查類案跟委員報告 我們現在清查目前這個案 彰化地檢署在偵辦這個案子最近三年 台中地檢署有申請只有一個案子石原工廠 核花是171萬元\n目前我們掌握是這一件那當然我們排除其他案件我們清查中目前包括地緣署也還沒有其他具體的線索只有這一件這一件核發是只有171萬元那如果說講數億元的話對於絕大多數辛苦奉獻的因為時間到了所以我想就是說你還是要這個要挽回大家對海巡署的信心那必須要有些具體作文好不好那你也要為國庫的損失\n提出合理的交代\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:04.570\n總部長早總部長今天是6月19號目前的報稅情況如何預收金額跟目前的時收數達成率是多少可不可以簡單說明一下\n\n00:27.182 --> 00:34.746\n跟委員說明今年因為所得稅的申報以及繳納的期限延長到6月底到6月17號為止中鎖稅已經完成申報的有583萬件大概達成了85%還有15萬還沒有完成申報那在中鎖稅的部分呢已經完成了88%\n\n00:52.777 --> 01:11.344\n那至於在稅收的部分呢大概是我們目前來說只有統計到五月底那這個數字其實在比較的基礎上比較沒有具有太大的意義因為今年整個繳納的期限延到六月底所以五月底的數字跟去年的同期當然是有一段很大的差距是\n\n01:11.804 --> 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03:55.351\n主要的原因第一個就是說原來濕煙它透過走邊境走濕轉化成為在國內的地下煙廠來濕製來產製這個濕煙而且這個地下煙廠原來是屬於大規模的那個比較大的機器設備而現在是採小規模但是它地點分散所以在查氣的難度上確實有提高那件數增加\n\n04:13.189 --> 04:35.146\n我想這個部分我們已經有所說那當然還有當然今天發生就是說我們發現這個海巡這樣的一個不法的事件是絕對不應該的但是也不能因為這個事件而去抹殺到其他的查緝人員跟查緝機關的努力我想還是有合法的海巡同仁包含地方政府都在努力的查緝我要告訴部長\n\n04:36.587 --> 04:44.634\n部長因為我們不只是食菸啦包括茶蔻的這些成品半成品原料還有產製的器具是不是都應該銷毀沒有錯都應該銷毀但是但是但是我們講牛食藝齁2023年9月齁我們這個\n\n04:52.180 --> 04:56.264\n前年派人到彰化和美倉庫辦理實驗室被銷毀的時候卻發現我們的查緝人員僅將這些機器都拋棄在廢鐵回收區沒有針對馬達、主機板、主體結構等重要部位進行破壞\n\n05:09.297 --> 05:33.030\n還把這些高單價的像包裝機這個部分刻意藏匿於這個鐵罐區你們的報告裡面有說為了要避免查獲的私菸原料器具再度流出做非法的用途所以財政部會依菸酒管理法57條沒收或者是沒收之後儘速銷毀那請問部長你有沒有規定一個銷毀的期限\n\n05:35.496 --> 05:40.001\n我沒有規定應該要做這樣的事情對她還沒做對她沒有做表示說沒有徹底自己那至於怎麼樣強化這樣的一個機制財政部也一直在努力然後下個禮拜我們會邀同相關的機關來把制度上更做的經濟我們把這個銷毀把它明訂出來\n\n05:55.117 --> 06:22.840\n好不好避免這些東西沒有被銷毀然後又流入市場造成不當的這些人士不孝的這些人士變成他們來練財啦好謝謝委員的指教謝謝那再請教部長就是說其實這款事常常發生啦拖龍轉鳳啦拖天換日啦這些東西把一些比較沒有價值的價值性低的或者是去做更換那所以我這邊要講的就是說\n\n06:24.773 --> 06:40.251\n事實上就是這些器具跟成品總是能夠逃離執法人員的法眼再度的流入市場甚至有一些已經到了焚化廠但是委外辦理的這些人操作的人\n\n06:42.153 --> 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