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00:02:17,743\n其實有些國家有紅色有些國家是有橙色有些是部分紅色部分橙色我們是部分紅色部分橙色我們哪裡是紅色北京跟嘉薩附近這裡我們是紅色我們認為其他地方還不到這樣的地步因為它都有它的一個評估的標準所以我們就是根據這個標準來辦理\n\n7\n00:02:19,298 --> 00:02:21,220\n可是美國已經發出這樣子的紅色的警訊了但是像日韓像很多國家他們還是維持也是橙色\n\n8\n00:02:30,290 --> 00:02:36,714\n那我們其實不是看日韓啦我們看的應該是我們能夠因為日韓有些他們在撤離或者他們跟周邊國家的協調他們可以往周邊國家跑的時候其實他們都還有一些規劃跟他們的一些撤離的機制那我們的台貿的這個專責的工作單位\n\n9\n00:02:55,612 --> 00:03:20,173\n他們現在目前我們相駐德黑蘭的台貿中心是否要撤離因為我們在伊朗沒有代表處就是這個貿協啊這個德黑蘭中心就是這個負責他當然是經濟部的單位不過我們的聯繫都非常的密切那因為我們針對旅外的國人都有這個登錄當然他有一些他沒有登錄他會來做\n\n10\n00:03:21,414 --> 00:03:26,437\n因為剛剛您說有掌握這相關的這些態勢的發展我現在要說的是美國已經發出紅色警戒那我們還在橙色那也如果認為這樣可以那另外伊朗是全部的紅色嗎那紅色警戒我們台貿中心是否應該要撤離因為你都已經紅色警戒他連地方都沒得跑他們是都有做準備有做的可以去哪裡因為他們現在是說當然\n\n11\n00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:56,153\n他們接下來要打第三區我們的台貿中心就是在第三區他們接下來已經宣布要打第三區我們就在那裡那你現在還不走要等什麼時候才走因為九人裡面走了三人然後另外三個已經安排要離境安排好了我們的政府單位或所屬的法人機構他們怎麼去照顧我們在當地的人讓他能夠順利的離境這個也是他的工作可是也必須要照顧自己的安全\n\n12\n00:04:18,064 --> 00:04:23,588\n不能置於險境部長那個都沒關係我剛剛講的是台貿中心已經是被宣稱已經要攻擊的周邊區域了你們應該要做的是他有他即使照顧國人也要照顧自己他自己都不安全他沒有辦法再做後續的工作這個部分他們可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離他們都有做好的來請說\n\n13\n00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:55,369\n這個部分的話簡短跟穩報告就是說您剛提到第三區的確那個伊朗國家電視台就在第三區昨天我們跟孫主任冒險孫主任也提到這個部分那他們的確聽到那個聲音離辦公室有一段距離那目前呢他們最近可能會測完報告知道距離不是用聽的\n\n14\n00:04:56,474 --> 00:05:23,245\n他們是先聽到聲音對我說爆炸的距離不是用聽的對他今天一打過來你連跑都沒機會跑那目前的話呢就是說像我們剛剛博鳳說的我們其他六位的官員包含孫主任本人我們之前那個已經跟他們提到就是說那個撤離的路線是會往土耳其那主任他還有另外一條路線是往離海往北邊走那地方是相對來講安全的已經有安排有有安排那主任他可能這一兩天就會動身往離海的方向去做一個自我就是說一個安全的一個處理的一個動作\n\n15\n00:05:24,105 --> 00:05:32,530\n好那可見我們也知道那裡的態勢是非常緊張而且它不是現在才開始剛剛部長我們有提到從112年就開始可是我們在中東地區緊張態勢已經持續這麼久的時間外交部為什麼在本月初的時候公告我們啟動青年學子赴以色列度假打工這樣的一個申請的訊息我們的原因是什麼\n\n16\n00:05:49,759 --> 00:06:05,868\n就是我們就按照標準作業程序的判斷嘛那因為這個因為其他國家還是都維持包括像韓國、澳洲、紐西蘭所以我們怎麼樣跟國際同步那這個對台語關係也很重要可是並不代表說我們要去讓國人置入險境我們會\n\n17\n00:06:06,869 --> 00:06:14,834\n檢討情勢的變化所以後來會暫緩也是因為情勢有變化因為那時候還沒有發生戰爭發生戰爭之後我們就暫緩了部長你6月3號還在往官網上面今天如果有疏失我覺得我們可以勇敢的去面對而不是在這裡去說這些理由今天如果6月3號有人看到的時候部長聽我講完那個不是過不急你的孩子你會讓他去那裡嗎\n\n18\n00:06:35,265 --> 00:06:45,917\n你不是笑話嗎今天如果我們沒有充分掌握所有的孩子所有的國人如果你知道專業更不可以用這種小編你的小編都在上面寫什麼就這個問題請你尊重我外交部的同仁專業的判斷\n\n19\n00:06:50,402 --> 00:06:57,565\n他是網路語言外交部的官網可以發生網路語言嗎部長如果可以你如果知道是專業你更應該要這樣好好的我們本來應該好好的談這是一個非常嚴肅的問題你讓我們年輕人在沒有充分的資訊之下他們相信的會是外交部外交部在你的官網上面鼓勵我們所有的青年人\n\n20\n00:07:15,091 --> 00:07:19,154\n去以色列還有這樣的一個國家他來登記我們都還沒有在執行中你6月3號還在受理如果他報名了他6月10號要出門可以嗎有人請你了解外交的專業可以嗎外交專業是什麼讓我們聯繫的讓我們\n\n21\n00:07:32,483 --> 00:07:33,904\n外交專業是讓我們的年輕人到一個以色列戰火衝刺的地方什麼叫誇張什麼叫誇張什麼叫扭曲事實你6月3號是不是有那一篇6月3號\n\n22\n00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,803\n你去查看看6月3號美國是什麼樣的等級什麼叫沒有發生戰爭你胡說八道尊重外交專業我們就是不認為你有外交專業如果今天要講到這樣我們進退你這邊你看的是韓國的外交紐西蘭嗎\n\n23\n00:08:13,234 --> 00:08:22,978\n你看的是澳洲紐西蘭如果他們已經有人犧牲了你還是讓他犧牲嗎你今天如果是專業部長今天如果你是專業你在之前就應該要探訪如果外交協議或者辦活動是你的主要重點你應該讓現在社會正常因為有一堆年輕人要去外交要去度假打工那是雙方一個度假打工辦法的受理的時間\n\n24\n00:08:42,947 --> 00:08:48,688\n我們當然會因情勢做調整啊你6月3號包括情勢的層級都依照國際的規範跟國際對接部長因為這樣會傷害國家我才會這樣子回應你部長部長因為會傷害台語的關係我才會這樣講啊部長你傷害到什麼因為您的發言傷害到我們的外交關係你的外交關係是什麼以色列會在乎的如果你認為這樣會傷害你告訴大家我們會傷害什麼\n\n25\n00:09:12,097 --> 00:09:20,827\n因為當其他國家還維持跟以色列度假打工我們自己當方面去停止那個時候還沒有發生戰爭這會傷害我們產業關係部長把他講清楚其他國家什麼時候把這個危險的等級換掉的\n\n26\n00:09:30,057 --> 00:09:56,508\n都是按照警示標準的調整這個程序就是這樣子部長什麼時候你是外交部長我一跟你講說6月1號的時候包括澳洲紐西蘭韓國等等跟以色列有度假打工的國家還是維持這個辦法的實施但是不代表我們要出發也不代表我們完成了審查我們國人他在乎的是因為有太多扭曲我必須要說明因為這涉及到我們的外交\n\n27\n00:09:58,188 --> 00:10:04,310\n你讓我們的國人深入險境你還敢這樣說你還敢這樣說你還敢這樣說你讓我們的年輕人深入險境你的小編可以在網路上面這樣子的編冒險王什麼叫冒險王\n\n28\n00:10:25,715 --> 00:10:30,681\n你的孩子你會這樣讓他去嗎你扭曲事實你會讓他這樣去嗎什麼叫扭曲事實你到6月3號你的官網還沒換欸我們的網站最重要那時候還沒有發生以色列跟伊朗的戰事\n\n29\n00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:44,147\n我們根據警示在辦理根據國際的規範與其他國家同步可恥今天如果我們發現我們氣象報告說哪一個地方可能在禮拜六或禮拜天或下個禮拜會有暴風雨會有颱風的時候你會在那時候還鼓勵你的孩子下個禮拜去那裡辦活動這個禮拜去那裡辦露營嗎\n\n30\n00:11:05,737 --> 00:11:11,280\n部長將心比心你今天你今天要站在這個位你今天要站在這個位你如果要站在這裡做維委員在那裡爛掉我不是這樣的人我也知道所以我們剛開始很理性的跟你談沒有傷害你有傷害沒有傷害到什麼外交關係你告訴我傷害到哪一個外交關係我們跟以色列簽了這樣一個度假打工\n\n31\n00:11:34,174 --> 00:11:43,880\n獨家老公你可不可以請黑熊學院的去他們的成員需要面對的因為他們現在在教我們所有的國人現在他們需要的是暫時的一些實務的經驗如果你這樣說你怕跟以色列傷害到這樣的協議就可以推這樣的活動沒有國際規範\n\n32\n00:11:58,688 --> 00:12:02,370\n國家的安全是一個外交部長掌握所有國際態勢除非你根本不在乎如果你不在乎才會繼續做這樣的事而且在國會殿堂還可以持續這樣講我剛剛舉例你應該很清楚如果今天我們事實有一些處我必須說明對國家的外交關係會影響我也必須要澄清\n\n33\n00:12:23,161 --> 00:12:31,667\n6月3號他就已經是這樣然後你們鼓勵我們的孩子去冒險就跟我們剛剛講的如果已經有戰爭發生你已經來不及部長戰爭發生你已經來不及很遺憾我們國家的外交部長是你林佳龍\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n929\t3691\t謝謝主席謝謝部長已經站上來了部長早部長今天我們也特別提到很多委員也在關切就是說中東的緊張局勢因為事實上它從112年開始因為以巴戰爭還有葉門的\n21000\t28426\t這個胡塞組織的鴻海危機其實它就一直持續到現在美軍也一直在增強在中東地區的兵力部署的這個航母艦隊也從來沒有減少而且甚至近期更將印太的兵力往中東地區去做支援那在昨天美國政府更宣布美軍已經在參戰的邊緣而且要求伊朗無條件投降美國務院也連續發出安全警訊\n49403\t66622\t要求不要前往伊朗、伊拉克以及以色列川普總統更要所有人離開德黑蘭這些事態外交部目前都有掌握嗎我們就是全力掌握中那現在我們的掌握跟美國的做法有什麼不一樣\n67952\t73935\t我們當然有跟包括美方還有他們各國的大使館交換這些資訊來做因應那有沒有成立專責的工作小組跟外館建立高風險地區通報機制或者跟第三國協調撤離的機制\n84682\t90805\t有,我們都有標準作業程序,也針對這個就是在中東的這個戰事的發展,密切注意跟相對的來做因應部長我們想要比較清楚的回答,因為他已經發展,事態已經發展到這樣因為外交部直到昨天晚上六點的時候還是維持以色列橙色警訊因為美國都已經改成紅色最高等級,我們還是橙色的,這個原因是什麼\n115691\t137743\t其實有些國家有紅色有些國家是有橙色有些是部分紅色部分橙色我們是部分紅色部分橙色我們哪裡是紅色北京跟嘉薩附近這裡我們是紅色我們認為其他地方還不到這樣的地步因為它都有它的一個評估的標準所以我們就是根據這個標準來辦理\n139298\t141220\t可是美國已經發出這樣子的紅色的警訊了但是像日韓像很多國家他們還是維持也是橙色\n150290\t156714\t那我們其實不是看日韓啦我們看的應該是我們能夠因為日韓有些他們在撤離或者他們跟周邊國家的協調他們可以往周邊國家跑的時候其實他們都還有一些規劃跟他們的一些撤離的機制那我們的台貿的這個專責的工作單位\n175612\t200173\t他們現在目前我們相駐德黑蘭的台貿中心是否要撤離因為我們在伊朗沒有代表處就是這個貿協啊這個德黑蘭中心就是這個負責他當然是經濟部的單位不過我們的聯繫都非常的密切那因為我們針對旅外的國人都有這個登錄當然他有一些他沒有登錄他會來做\n201414\t206437\t因為剛剛您說有掌握這相關的這些態勢的發展我現在要說的是美國已經發出紅色警戒那我們還在橙色那也如果認為這樣可以那另外伊朗是全部的紅色嗎那紅色警戒我們台貿中心是否應該要撤離因為你都已經紅色警戒他連地方都沒得跑他們是都有做準備有做的可以去哪裡因為他們現在是說當然\n229110\t236153\t他們接下來要打第三區我們的台貿中心就是在第三區他們接下來已經宣布要打第三區我們就在那裡那你現在還不走要等什麼時候才走因為九人裡面走了三人然後另外三個已經安排要離境安排好了我們的政府單位或所屬的法人機構他們怎麼去照顧我們在當地的人讓他能夠順利的離境這個也是他的工作可是也必須要照顧自己的安全\n258064\t263588\t不能置於險境部長那個都沒關係我剛剛講的是台貿中心已經是被宣稱已經要攻擊的周邊區域了你們應該要做的是他有他即使照顧國人也要照顧自己他自己都不安全他沒有辦法再做後續的工作這個部分他們可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離他們都有做好的來請說\n281280\t295369\t這個部分的話簡短跟穩報告就是說您剛提到第三區的確那個伊朗國家電視台就在第三區昨天我們跟孫主任冒險孫主任也提到這個部分那他們的確聽到那個聲音離辦公室有一段距離那目前呢他們最近可能會測完報告知道距離不是用聽的\n296474\t323245\t他們是先聽到聲音對 我說爆炸的距離不是用聽的對他今天一打過來你連跑都沒機會跑那目前的話呢就是說像我們剛剛博鳳說的我們其他六位的官員包含孫主任本人我們之前那個已經跟他們提到就是說那個撤離的路線是會往土耳其那主任他還有另外一條路線是往離海往北邊走那地方是相對來講安全的已經有安排有 有安排那主任他可能這一兩天就會動身往離海的方向去做一個自我就是說一個安全的一個處理的一個動作\n324105\t332530\t好 那可見我們也知道那裡的態勢是非常緊張而且它不是現在才開始剛剛部長我們有提到從112年就開始可是我們在中東地區緊張態勢已經持續這麼久的時間外交部為什麼在本月初的時候公告我們啟動青年學子赴以色列度假打工這樣的一個申請的訊息我們的原因是什麼\n349759\t365868\t就是我們就按照標準作業程序的判斷嘛那因為這個因為其他國家還是都維持包括像韓國、澳洲、紐西蘭所以我們怎麼樣跟國際同步那這個對台語關係也很重要可是並不代表說我們要去讓國人置入險境我們會\n366869\t374834\t檢討情勢的變化所以後來會暫緩也是因為情勢有變化因為那時候還沒有發生戰爭發生戰爭之後我們就暫緩了部長你6月3號還在往官網上面今天如果有疏失我覺得我們可以勇敢的去面對而不是在這裡去說這些理由今天如果6月3號有人看到的時候部長聽我講完那個不是過不急你的孩子你會讓他去那裡嗎\n395265\t405917\t你不是笑話嗎今天如果我們沒有充分掌握所有的孩子所有的國人如果你知道專業更不可以用這種小編你的小編都在上面寫什麼就這個問題請你尊重我外交部的同仁專業的判斷\n410402\t417565\t他是網路語言 外交部的官網可以發生網路語言嗎部長如果可以 你如果知道是專業你更應該要這樣好好的 我們本來應該好好的談這是一個非常嚴肅的問題 你讓我們年輕人在沒有充分的資訊之下 他們相信的會是外交部外交部在你的官網上面 鼓勵我們所有的青年人\n435091\t439154\t去以色列還有這樣的一個國家他來登記我們都還沒有在執行中你6月3號還在受理如果他報名了他6月10號要出門可以嗎有人請你了解外交的專業可以嗎 外交專業是什麼讓我們聯繫的讓我們\n452483\t453904\t外交專業是讓我們的年輕人到一個以色列戰火衝刺的地方什麼叫誇張什麼叫誇張什麼叫扭曲事實你6月3號是不是有那一篇6月3號\n474360\t477803\t你去查看看6月3號美國是什麼樣的等級什麼叫沒有發生戰爭你胡說八道尊重外交專業我們就是不認為你有外交專業如果今天要講到這樣我們進退你這邊你看的是韓國的外交紐西蘭嗎\n493234\t502978\t你看的是澳洲 紐西蘭如果他們已經有人犧牲了你還是讓他犧牲嗎你今天如果是專業部長今天如果你是專業你在之前就應該要探訪如果外交協議或者辦活動是你的主要重點你應該讓現在社會正常因為有一堆年輕人要去外交要去度假打工那是雙方一個度假打工辦法的受理的時間\n522947\t528688\t我們當然會因情勢做調整啊你6月3號 包括情勢的層級都依照國際的規範跟國際對接部長因為這樣會傷害國家我才會這樣子回應你部長 部長因為會傷害台語的關係我才會這樣講啊部長你傷害到什麼因為您的發言傷害到我們的外交關係你的外交關係是什麼以色列會在乎的如果你認為這樣會傷害你告訴大家我們會傷害什麼\n552097\t560827\t因為當其他國家還維持跟以色列度假打工我們自己當方面去停止那個時候還沒有發生戰爭這會傷害我們產業關係部長 把他講清楚其他國家什麼時候把這個危險的等級換掉的\n570057\t596508\t都是按照警示標準的調整這個程序就是這樣子部長什麼時候你是外交部長我一跟你講說6月1號的時候包括澳洲紐西蘭韓國等等跟以色列有度假打工的國家還是維持這個辦法的實施但是不代表我們要出發也不代表我們完成了審查我們國人他在乎的是因為有太多扭曲我必須要說明因為這涉及到我們的外交\n598188\t604310\t你讓我們的國人深入險境你還敢這樣說你還敢這樣說 你還敢這樣說你讓我們的年輕人深入險境你的小編可以在網路上面這樣子的編冒險王 什麼叫冒險王\n625715\t630681\t你的孩子你會這樣讓他去嗎你扭曲事實你會讓他這樣去嗎什麼叫扭曲事實你到6月3號你的官網還沒換欸我們的網站最重要那時候還沒有發生以色列跟伊朗的戰事\n640765\t644147\t我們根據警示在辦理 根據國際的規範與其他國家同步可恥 今天如果我們發現我們氣象報告說哪一個地方可能在禮拜六或禮拜天或下個禮拜會有暴風雨會有颱風的時候你會在那時候還鼓勵你的孩子下個禮拜去那裡辦活動這個禮拜去那裡辦露營嗎\n665737\t671280\t部長 將心比心你今天 你今天要站在這個位你今天要站在這個位你如果要站在這裡做維委員在那裡爛掉我不是這樣的人 我也知道所以我們剛開始很理性的跟你談沒有傷害 你有傷害沒有傷害到什麼外交關係你告訴我 傷害到哪一個外交關係我們跟以色列簽了這樣一個度假打工\n694174\t703880\t獨家老公你可不可以請黑熊學院的去他們的成員需要面對的因為他們現在在教我們所有的國人現在他們需要的是暫時的一些實務的經驗如果你這樣說你怕跟以色列傷害到這樣的協議就可以推這樣的活動沒有國際規範\n718688\t722370\t國家的安全是一個外交部長掌握所有國際態勢除非你根本不在乎如果你不在乎才會繼續做這樣的事而且在國會殿堂還可以持續這樣講我剛剛舉例你應該很清楚如果今天我們事實有一些處我必須說明對國家的外交關係會影響我也必須要澄清\n743161\t751667\t6月3號他就已經是這樣然後你們鼓勵我們的孩子去冒險就跟我們剛剛講的如果已經有戰爭發生你已經來不及部長戰爭發生你已經來不及很遺憾我們國家的外交部長是你林佳龍\n","txt":"謝謝主席謝謝部長已經站上來了部長早部長今天我們也特別提到很多委員也在關切就是說中東的緊張局勢因為事實上它從112年開始因為以巴戰爭還有葉門的\n這個胡塞組織的鴻海危機其實它就一直持續到現在美軍也一直在增強在中東地區的兵力部署的這個航母艦隊也從來沒有減少而且甚至近期更將印太的兵力往中東地區去做支援那在昨天美國政府更宣布美軍已經在參戰的邊緣而且要求伊朗無條件投降美國務院也連續發出安全警訊\n要求不要前往伊朗、伊拉克以及以色列川普總統更要所有人離開德黑蘭這些事態外交部目前都有掌握嗎我們就是全力掌握中那現在我們的掌握跟美國的做法有什麼不一樣\n我們當然有跟包括美方還有他們各國的大使館交換這些資訊來做因應那有沒有成立專責的工作小組跟外館建立高風險地區通報機制或者跟第三國協調撤離的機制\n有,我們都有標準作業程序,也針對這個就是在中東的這個戰事的發展,密切注意跟相對的來做因應部長我們想要比較清楚的回答,因為他已經發展,事態已經發展到這樣因為外交部直到昨天晚上六點的時候還是維持以色列橙色警訊因為美國都已經改成紅色最高等級,我們還是橙色的,這個原因是什麼\n其實有些國家有紅色有些國家是有橙色有些是部分紅色部分橙色我們是部分紅色部分橙色我們哪裡是紅色北京跟嘉薩附近這裡我們是紅色我們認為其他地方還不到這樣的地步因為它都有它的一個評估的標準所以我們就是根據這個標準來辦理\n可是美國已經發出這樣子的紅色的警訊了但是像日韓像很多國家他們還是維持也是橙色\n那我們其實不是看日韓啦我們看的應該是我們能夠因為日韓有些他們在撤離或者他們跟周邊國家的協調他們可以往周邊國家跑的時候其實他們都還有一些規劃跟他們的一些撤離的機制那我們的台貿的這個專責的工作單位\n他們現在目前我們相駐德黑蘭的台貿中心是否要撤離因為我們在伊朗沒有代表處就是這個貿協啊這個德黑蘭中心就是這個負責他當然是經濟部的單位不過我們的聯繫都非常的密切那因為我們針對旅外的國人都有這個登錄當然他有一些他沒有登錄他會來做\n因為剛剛您說有掌握這相關的這些態勢的發展我現在要說的是美國已經發出紅色警戒那我們還在橙色那也如果認為這樣可以那另外伊朗是全部的紅色嗎那紅色警戒我們台貿中心是否應該要撤離因為你都已經紅色警戒他連地方都沒得跑他們是都有做準備有做的可以去哪裡因為他們現在是說當然\n他們接下來要打第三區我們的台貿中心就是在第三區他們接下來已經宣布要打第三區我們就在那裡那你現在還不走要等什麼時候才走因為九人裡面走了三人然後另外三個已經安排要離境安排好了我們的政府單位或所屬的法人機構他們怎麼去照顧我們在當地的人讓他能夠順利的離境這個也是他的工作可是也必須要照顧自己的安全\n不能置於險境部長那個都沒關係我剛剛講的是台貿中心已經是被宣稱已經要攻擊的周邊區域了你們應該要做的是他有他即使照顧國人也要照顧自己他自己都不安全他沒有辦法再做後續的工作這個部分他們可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離他們都有做好的來請說\n這個部分的話簡短跟穩報告就是說您剛提到第三區的確那個伊朗國家電視台就在第三區昨天我們跟孫主任冒險孫主任也提到這個部分那他們的確聽到那個聲音離辦公室有一段距離那目前呢他們最近可能會測完報告知道距離不是用聽的\n他們是先聽到聲音對 我說爆炸的距離不是用聽的對他今天一打過來你連跑都沒機會跑那目前的話呢就是說像我們剛剛博鳳說的我們其他六位的官員包含孫主任本人我們之前那個已經跟他們提到就是說那個撤離的路線是會往土耳其那主任他還有另外一條路線是往離海往北邊走那地方是相對來講安全的已經有安排有 有安排那主任他可能這一兩天就會動身往離海的方向去做一個自我就是說一個安全的一個處理的一個動作\n好 那可見我們也知道那裡的態勢是非常緊張而且它不是現在才開始剛剛部長我們有提到從112年就開始可是我們在中東地區緊張態勢已經持續這麼久的時間外交部為什麼在本月初的時候公告我們啟動青年學子赴以色列度假打工這樣的一個申請的訊息我們的原因是什麼\n就是我們就按照標準作業程序的判斷嘛那因為這個因為其他國家還是都維持包括像韓國、澳洲、紐西蘭所以我們怎麼樣跟國際同步那這個對台語關係也很重要可是並不代表說我們要去讓國人置入險境我們會\n檢討情勢的變化所以後來會暫緩也是因為情勢有變化因為那時候還沒有發生戰爭發生戰爭之後我們就暫緩了部長你6月3號還在往官網上面今天如果有疏失我覺得我們可以勇敢的去面對而不是在這裡去說這些理由今天如果6月3號有人看到的時候部長聽我講完那個不是過不急你的孩子你會讓他去那裡嗎\n你不是笑話嗎今天如果我們沒有充分掌握所有的孩子所有的國人如果你知道專業更不可以用這種小編你的小編都在上面寫什麼就這個問題請你尊重我外交部的同仁專業的判斷\n他是網路語言 外交部的官網可以發生網路語言嗎部長如果可以 你如果知道是專業你更應該要這樣好好的 我們本來應該好好的談這是一個非常嚴肅的問題 你讓我們年輕人在沒有充分的資訊之下 他們相信的會是外交部外交部在你的官網上面 鼓勵我們所有的青年人\n去以色列還有這樣的一個國家他來登記我們都還沒有在執行中你6月3號還在受理如果他報名了他6月10號要出門可以嗎有人請你了解外交的專業可以嗎 外交專業是什麼讓我們聯繫的讓我們\n外交專業是讓我們的年輕人到一個以色列戰火衝刺的地方什麼叫誇張什麼叫誇張什麼叫扭曲事實你6月3號是不是有那一篇6月3號\n你去查看看6月3號美國是什麼樣的等級什麼叫沒有發生戰爭你胡說八道尊重外交專業我們就是不認為你有外交專業如果今天要講到這樣我們進退你這邊你看的是韓國的外交紐西蘭嗎\n你看的是澳洲 紐西蘭如果他們已經有人犧牲了你還是讓他犧牲嗎你今天如果是專業部長今天如果你是專業你在之前就應該要探訪如果外交協議或者辦活動是你的主要重點你應該讓現在社會正常因為有一堆年輕人要去外交要去度假打工那是雙方一個度假打工辦法的受理的時間\n我們當然會因情勢做調整啊你6月3號 包括情勢的層級都依照國際的規範跟國際對接部長因為這樣會傷害國家我才會這樣子回應你部長 部長因為會傷害台語的關係我才會這樣講啊部長你傷害到什麼因為您的發言傷害到我們的外交關係你的外交關係是什麼以色列會在乎的如果你認為這樣會傷害你告訴大家我們會傷害什麼\n因為當其他國家還維持跟以色列度假打工我們自己當方面去停止那個時候還沒有發生戰爭這會傷害我們產業關係部長 把他講清楚其他國家什麼時候把這個危險的等級換掉的\n都是按照警示標準的調整這個程序就是這樣子部長什麼時候你是外交部長我一跟你講說6月1號的時候包括澳洲紐西蘭韓國等等跟以色列有度假打工的國家還是維持這個辦法的實施但是不代表我們要出發也不代表我們完成了審查我們國人他在乎的是因為有太多扭曲我必須要說明因為這涉及到我們的外交\n你讓我們的國人深入險境你還敢這樣說你還敢這樣說 你還敢這樣說你讓我們的年輕人深入險境你的小編可以在網路上面這樣子的編冒險王 什麼叫冒險王\n你的孩子你會這樣讓他去嗎你扭曲事實你會讓他這樣去嗎什麼叫扭曲事實你到6月3號你的官網還沒換欸我們的網站最重要那時候還沒有發生以色列跟伊朗的戰事\n我們根據警示在辦理 根據國際的規範與其他國家同步可恥 今天如果我們發現我們氣象報告說哪一個地方可能在禮拜六或禮拜天或下個禮拜會有暴風雨會有颱風的時候你會在那時候還鼓勵你的孩子下個禮拜去那裡辦活動這個禮拜去那裡辦露營嗎\n部長 將心比心你今天 你今天要站在這個位你今天要站在這個位你如果要站在這裡做維委員在那裡爛掉我不是這樣的人 我也知道所以我們剛開始很理性的跟你談沒有傷害 你有傷害沒有傷害到什麼外交關係你告訴我 傷害到哪一個外交關係我們跟以色列簽了這樣一個度假打工\n獨家老公你可不可以請黑熊學院的去他們的成員需要面對的因為他們現在在教我們所有的國人現在他們需要的是暫時的一些實務的經驗如果你這樣說你怕跟以色列傷害到這樣的協議就可以推這樣的活動沒有國際規範\n國家的安全是一個外交部長掌握所有國際態勢除非你根本不在乎如果你不在乎才會繼續做這樣的事而且在國會殿堂還可以持續這樣講我剛剛舉例你應該很清楚如果今天我們事實有一些處我必須說明對國家的外交關係會影響我也必須要澄清\n6月3號他就已經是這樣然後你們鼓勵我們的孩子去冒險就跟我們剛剛講的如果已經有戰爭發生你已經來不及部長戰爭發生你已經來不及很遺憾我們國家的外交部長是你林佳龍\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.929 --> 00:03.691\n謝謝主席謝謝部長已經站上來了部長早部長今天我們也特別提到很多委員也在關切就是說中東的緊張局勢因為事實上它從112年開始因為以巴戰爭還有葉門的\n\n00:21.000 --> 00:28.426\n這個胡塞組織的鴻海危機其實它就一直持續到現在美軍也一直在增強在中東地區的兵力部署的這個航母艦隊也從來沒有減少而且甚至近期更將印太的兵力往中東地區去做支援那在昨天美國政府更宣布美軍已經在參戰的邊緣而且要求伊朗無條件投降美國務院也連續發出安全警訊\n\n00:49.403 --> 01:06.622\n要求不要前往伊朗、伊拉克以及以色列川普總統更要所有人離開德黑蘭這些事態外交部目前都有掌握嗎我們就是全力掌握中那現在我們的掌握跟美國的做法有什麼不一樣\n\n01:07.952 --> 01:13.935\n我們當然有跟包括美方還有他們各國的大使館交換這些資訊來做因應那有沒有成立專責的工作小組跟外館建立高風險地區通報機制或者跟第三國協調撤離的機制\n\n01:24.682 --> 01:30.805\n有,我們都有標準作業程序,也針對這個就是在中東的這個戰事的發展,密切注意跟相對的來做因應部長我們想要比較清楚的回答,因為他已經發展,事態已經發展到這樣因為外交部直到昨天晚上六點的時候還是維持以色列橙色警訊因為美國都已經改成紅色最高等級,我們還是橙色的,這個原因是什麼\n\n01:55.691 --> 02:17.743\n其實有些國家有紅色有些國家是有橙色有些是部分紅色部分橙色我們是部分紅色部分橙色我們哪裡是紅色北京跟嘉薩附近這裡我們是紅色我們認為其他地方還不到這樣的地步因為它都有它的一個評估的標準所以我們就是根據這個標準來辦理\n\n02:19.298 --> 02:21.220\n可是美國已經發出這樣子的紅色的警訊了但是像日韓像很多國家他們還是維持也是橙色\n\n02:30.290 --> 02:36.714\n那我們其實不是看日韓啦我們看的應該是我們能夠因為日韓有些他們在撤離或者他們跟周邊國家的協調他們可以往周邊國家跑的時候其實他們都還有一些規劃跟他們的一些撤離的機制那我們的台貿的這個專責的工作單位\n\n02:55.612 --> 03:20.173\n他們現在目前我們相駐德黑蘭的台貿中心是否要撤離因為我們在伊朗沒有代表處就是這個貿協啊這個德黑蘭中心就是這個負責他當然是經濟部的單位不過我們的聯繫都非常的密切那因為我們針對旅外的國人都有這個登錄當然他有一些他沒有登錄他會來做\n\n03:21.414 --> 03:26.437\n因為剛剛您說有掌握這相關的這些態勢的發展我現在要說的是美國已經發出紅色警戒那我們還在橙色那也如果認為這樣可以那另外伊朗是全部的紅色嗎那紅色警戒我們台貿中心是否應該要撤離因為你都已經紅色警戒他連地方都沒得跑他們是都有做準備有做的可以去哪裡因為他們現在是說當然\n\n03:49.110 --> 03:56.153\n他們接下來要打第三區我們的台貿中心就是在第三區他們接下來已經宣布要打第三區我們就在那裡那你現在還不走要等什麼時候才走因為九人裡面走了三人然後另外三個已經安排要離境安排好了我們的政府單位或所屬的法人機構他們怎麼去照顧我們在當地的人讓他能夠順利的離境這個也是他的工作可是也必須要照顧自己的安全\n\n04:18.064 --> 04:23.588\n不能置於險境部長那個都沒關係我剛剛講的是台貿中心已經是被宣稱已經要攻擊的周邊區域了你們應該要做的是他有他即使照顧國人也要照顧自己他自己都不安全他沒有辦法再做後續的工作這個部分他們可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離去哪裡可以撤離他們都有做好的來請說\n\n04:41.280 --> 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傷害到哪一個外交關係我們跟以色列簽了這樣一個度假打工"},{"start":694.174,"end":703.88,"text":"獨家老公你可不可以請黑熊學院的去他們的成員需要面對的因為他們現在在教我們所有的國人現在他們需要的是暫時的一些實務的經驗如果你這樣說你怕跟以色列傷害到這樣的協議就可以推這樣的活動沒有國際規範"},{"start":718.688,"end":722.37,"text":"國家的安全是一個外交部長掌握所有國際態勢除非你根本不在乎如果你不在乎才會繼續做這樣的事而且在國會殿堂還可以持續這樣講我剛剛舉例你應該很清楚如果今天我們事實有一些處我必須說明對國家的外交關係會影響我也必須要澄清"},{"start":743.161,"end":751.667,"text":"6月3號他就已經是這樣然後你們鼓勵我們的孩子去冒險就跟我們剛剛講的如果已經有戰爭發生你已經來不及部長戰爭發生你已經來不及很遺憾我們國家的外交部長是你林佳龍"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":401,"blocks":[["馬委員文君：（10時45分）謝謝主席，部長已經站上來了，部長早。"],["林部長佳龍：委員好。"],["馬委員文君：今天很多委員特別提到，也很關切中東的緊張局勢，事實上從112年開始，以巴戰爭還有葉門胡塞組織的紅海危機其實就一直持續到現在，美軍也一直增強在中東地區的兵力，部署的航母艦隊也從來沒有減少，甚至近期更將印太的兵力移往中東地區去做支援；昨天美國政府更宣布美軍已經在參戰的邊緣，而且要求伊朗無條件投降，美國國務院也連續發出安全警訊，要求不要前往伊朗、伊拉克以及以色列，川普總統更要所有人離開德黑蘭，這些事態外交部目前都有掌握嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：我們全力掌握中。"],["馬委員文君：現在我們的掌握跟美國的作法有什麼不一樣？"],["林部長佳龍：我們當然有跟包括美方還有各國大使館交換相關資訊來做因應。"],["馬委員文君：有沒有成立專責的工作小組與外館建立高風險地區通報機制？或者跟第三國協調撤離的機制？"],["林部長佳龍：有，我們都有標準作業程序，也針對中東戰事的發展密切注意，同時相對的來做因應。"],["馬委員文君：部長，我們想要有比較清楚的回答，因為事態已經發展到這樣，而外交部直到昨天晚上6點都還是維持以色列是橙色警訊，但美國都已經改成紅色最高等級，我們卻還是橙色的，請問原因是什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：其實有些國家是紅色，有些國家是橙色，有些是部分紅色、部分橙色……"],["馬委員文君：我們也有紅色……"],["林部長佳龍：我們是部分紅色、部分橙色。"],["馬委員文君：我們有哪裡是紅色？"],["林部長佳龍：在北境跟加薩附近我們是列為紅色，但是其他的地方……"],["馬委員文君：我們是認為其他地方還不到這樣的地步？"],["林部長佳龍：因為這都有評估的標準，所以我們就是根據這個標準來辦理。"],["馬委員文君：可是美國已經發出這樣的紅色警訊了。"],["林部長佳龍：但是像日韓等很多國家，他們還是維持橙色。"],["馬委員文君：我們其實不是看日韓……"],["林部長佳龍：我們是看自己，我們有一個標準作業程序。"],["馬委員文君：因為日韓他們在撤離上，或者跟周邊國家的協調上，包括他們可以往周邊國家跑的時候，其實他們都有一些規劃跟撤離的機制，而我們的臺貿專責工作單位，像我們駐德黑蘭的臺貿中心是否要撤離？"],["林部長佳龍：因為我們在伊朗沒有代表處，所以是由貿協德黑蘭中心負責，它是經濟部的單位，不過我們的聯繫都非常的密切，因為我們針對旅外的國人都有登錄，當然有一些沒有來登錄……"],["馬委員文君：部長，因為剛剛您說有掌握這些相關態勢的發展，我現在要說的是，美國已經發出紅色警戒，我們還是在橙色……"],["林部長佳龍：不是，那是以色列。"],["馬委員文君：如果你認為這樣可以，那伊朗是全部都紅色嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：對。"],["馬委員文君：若是紅色警戒，我們臺貿中心是否應該要撤離？因為都已經是紅色警戒，他們都沒地方可以跑，不是嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：他們都有做準備。"],["馬委員文君：可以去哪裡？"],["林部長佳龍：因為他們……"],["馬委員文君：他們接下來已經宣布要打第三區，我們的臺貿中心就是在第三區，我們就是在那裡，現在還不走，請問要等到什麼時候才走？"],["林部長佳龍：因為9人裡面走了3人，然後另外3人已經安排要離境……"],["馬委員文君：安排好了？"],["林部長佳龍：有時候我們的政府單位或所屬的法人機構，他們怎麼去照顧我們在當地的人，讓他們能夠順利地離境，這個也是他的工作，可是也必須要照顧自己的安全，不能置於險境。"],["馬委員文君：對！部長，那個都沒關係，我剛剛講的是臺貿中心位在已經被宣稱要攻擊的周邊區域了，你們應該要做的是……"],["林部長佳龍：有，他都做好撤離的準備……"],["馬委員文君：即使照顧國人也要照顧自己，他自己都不安全了，就沒有辦法再做後續的工作，就這個部分，請問他們可以撤離去哪裡？"],["林部長佳龍：他們可以撤離。"],["馬委員文君：可以撤離去哪裡？"],["林部長佳龍：我請亞非司陳副司長說明。"],["陳副司長詠博：委員好，這個部分簡短跟委員報告，您剛剛提到的第三區，的確伊朗國家電視臺就在第三區，昨天我們跟貿協孫主任也提到這個部分，他們的確也聽到那個聲音，但離辦公室有一段距離，目前的狀況是他們最近可能會撤往……"],["馬委員文君：爆炸的距離不是用聽的！"],["陳副司長詠博：他們是先聽到聲音……"],["馬委員文君：我是說，爆炸的距離不是用聽的！"],["陳副司長詠博：對。"],["馬委員文君：若它今天一打過來，你連跑的機會都沒有！"],["陳副司長詠博：目前就是像剛剛部長說的，我們其他6位的國人，包含孫主任本人，因為我們之前已經跟他們提到，撤離的路線是會往土耳其，而主任他還有另外一條路是往裏海、往北邊走，那個地方相對來講是安全的。"],["馬委員文君：已經有安排？"],["陳副司長詠博：有安排，主任可能這一、兩天就會動身往裏海方向去做一個維護自我安全的處理動作。"],["馬委員文君：好，可見我們也知道那裡的態勢是非常緊張的，而且並不是現在才開始，剛剛我有提到，其實從112年就開始了，可是在中東地區緊張態勢已經持續這麼久時間的情況下，外交部為什麼在本月初公告要啟動青年學子赴以色列打工度假這樣一個申請的訊息？我們公告的原因是什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：我們就是按照標準作業程序來判斷，因為其他國家都還是維持這樣，包括像韓國、澳洲、紐西蘭，所以我們是跟國際同步，而且這個對臺以關係也很重要，可是並不代表我們要讓國人置於險境，我們會檢討情勢的變化，所以後來會暫緩也是因為情勢有變化，畢竟那時候還沒有發生戰爭，但發生戰爭之後我們就暫緩了。"],["馬委員文君：可是你們6月3號還在官網上面公布，今天如果有疏失，我們可以勇敢地去面對，而不是在這裡去說這些理由，如果6月3號有人看到的話……"],["林部長佳龍：我是認為沒有疏失啦！因為過猶不及……"],["馬委員文君：部長，請聽我講完，那個不是過猶不及，若是你的孩子，你會讓他去那裡嗎？這不是笑話嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：這是依據國際的規範跟對接……"],["馬委員文君：今天如果我們沒有充分掌握，所有的孩子、所有的國人……"],["林部長佳龍：外交是很專業的！"],["馬委員文君：如果你知道專業，更不可以用這種小編，你的小編都在上面寫什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：就這個問題，請你尊重我外交部同仁專業的判斷。"],["馬委員文君：部長，你剛剛說那是網路語言，外交部的官網可以當成網路語言嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：小編是另外一個問題，我們待會可以來討論，現在我們討論的是臺以關係。"],["馬委員文君：部長，你如果知道是專業，你更應該要這樣，我們本來應該好好的談，這是一個非常嚴肅的問題，你讓我們年輕人在沒有充分的資訊之下，他們相信的是外交部，而外交部在官網上面，鼓勵我們所有的青年人去以色列這樣的國家……"],["林部長佳龍：No！No！No！他來登記，我們受理，而且我們都還沒有在執行中……"],["馬委員文君：你6月3號還在受理，如果他報名了，他6月10號就要出門，可以嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：No！No！No！委員，請你了解外交的專業……"],["馬委員文君：可以嗎？外交專業是什麼？讓我們的年輕人……"],["林部長佳龍：我要為我的同仁辯護。"],["馬委員文君：外交專業是讓我們的年輕人到以色列這樣一個戰火充斥的地方……"],["林部長佳龍：你不要把它誇張化了，就不是這樣子嘛！我們都按照程序在辦理……"],["馬委員文君：什麼叫誇張？"],["林部長佳龍：你不能夠扭曲事實啦！"],["馬委員文君：什麼叫扭曲事實？你6月3號是不是有這一篇……"],["林部長佳龍：臺以簽訂的度假打工計畫協定如期公布，依照實際情勢我們宣布暫緩，這是專業的判斷，請委員尊重我外交部同仁。"],["馬委員文君：6月3號不危險嗎？你去查看看，6月3號美國是什麼樣的等級？"],["林部長佳龍：那時候還沒有發生戰爭。"],["馬委員文君：什麼叫沒有發生戰爭？"],["林部長佳龍：委員，我尊重你，請你尊重外交專業。"],["馬委員文君：你胡說八道，尊重外交專業，我們就是不認為你有外交專業，如果今天要講到這樣……"],["林部長佳龍：那韓國、澳洲、紐西蘭維持度假打工，人家就不專業嗎？"],["馬委員文君：你看的是韓國、澳洲、紐西蘭嗎？如果他們已經有人犧牲了，你還是讓他犧牲嗎？你今天如果是專業……"],["林部長佳龍：外交就是專業，就在於你講的話。"],["馬委員文君：部長，今天如果你是專業，你在之前就應該要判斷……"],["林部長佳龍：國與國之間的關係，外交還是跟內政不太一樣啦！"],["馬委員文君：如果外交協議或者辦活動是你的主要重點，應該讓社會……"],["林部長佳龍：因為你批評的事實是錯誤的，並沒有一堆年輕人要去度假打工，那是雙方度假打工辦法的受理時間，我們當然會依情勢做調整，包括警示的層級都依照國際的規範跟國際對接……"],["馬委員文君：部長、部長……"],["林部長佳龍：因為這個會傷害國家，我才會這樣子回應。"],["馬委員文君：部長、部長……"],["林部長佳龍：因為會傷害臺以關係，我才會這樣講。"],["馬委員文君：部長，你傷害到什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：因為你的發言傷害到我們的外交關係。"],["馬委員文君：你的外交關係是什麼？以色列會在乎的，如果你認為這樣會傷害，你告訴大家，我們會傷害什麼？會傷害什麼？你在6月之前……"],["林部長佳龍：因為當其他國家還維持跟以色列度假打工，我們自己單方面去停止……"],["馬委員文君：其他國家什麼時候撤的？"],["林部長佳龍：那時候還沒有發生戰爭。"],["馬委員文君：其他國家什麼時候……"],["林部長佳龍：這會傷害我們臺以關係。"],["馬委員文君：部長，把它講清楚，其他國家什麼時候把這個危險的等級換掉的？"],["林部長佳龍：都是按照警示標準在調整。"],["馬委員文君：不要說按照啦！什麼時候？"],["林部長佳龍：這個程序就是這樣。"],["馬委員文君：部長，什麼時候？你是外交部長。"],["林部長佳龍：我已經跟你講，6月1號的時候，包括澳洲、紐西蘭、韓國等等跟以色列有度假打工的國家還是維持這個辦法的實施。"],["馬委員文君：部長、部長……"],["林部長佳龍：但是不代表我們要出發，也不代表我們完成了審查。"],["馬委員文君：部長，我們國人在乎的，最重要的……"],["林部長佳龍：因為有太多扭曲，我必須要說明，因為這涉及到……"],["馬委員文君：扭曲在哪裡？你讓我們的國人深入險境，你還敢這樣說！你還敢這樣說！"],["林部長佳龍：你現在講的就是傷害國家的外交。"],["馬委員文君：你還敢這樣說！你們執政以後丟了幾個邦交國？"],["林部長佳龍：你對我個人怎麼批評，我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