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00:02:43,091\n我們針對要成立三級基專所以表示說已經有跨部會的這個院會來去協調那為什麼到現在還沒有辦法成立這個專責機構的這個施行的日期我想就是因為基本法裡面的內容條文的部分\n\n9\n00:02:43,291 --> 00:03:12,604\n第一個我們要先確認他的未來的業務執掌所以有包括剛剛文化教育勞動跟衛福部的分工那有些的寄存業務是在他們各個部會那我們就是我們開會就是要哪些業務是收整到有我們的成立的新的那如果像這樣講的話其實包含政院的已經開了十次會那都還沒有這個嗎還沒有這個討論好誰負責的跟誰分工的這相關的業務嗎跟委員報告其實我們自己的內部的部分就是未來新竹民發展署\n\n10\n00:03:13,044 --> 00:03:28,600\n我們就是已經大概規劃完就是四個組十二個課然後需求那其他部會因為我在內政委會我很清楚但是請問其他的部會其他部會就是來參加我這邊的那個小組會議然後那好請問什麼時候可以施行\n\n11\n00:03:29,821 --> 00:03:58,655\n那我想這個部分相關後續我們都有跟行政院做報告對那什麼時候呢整個組織法因為拖了快一年了嘛一點進展都沒有連這個籌備小組感覺上都沒有太大的進展不會其實我們幾乎進展都已經差不多那接下來就是那好差不多了嗎行政院如果說一旦申請的時候那預估大概什麼時候你們已經送行政院了嗎我們都有把資料都有先跟行政院報告過好那大概什麼時候呢這個可能還要問行政院那行政院今天有人來嗎\n\n12\n00:04:00,998 --> 00:04:21,605\n還要問行政院也就是說你們都送給行政院但是行政院還沒決定嗎我們都有跟行政院討論我們就正在討論然後包括所謂這個新住民發展署的組織法的內容那這樣子每個部會如果到這樣大家都推來推去你主管什麼我主管什麼你負責什麼我負責什麼然後都不知道最後再推給行政院那請問這部法大概什麼時候可以正式施行\n\n13\n00:04:22,065 --> 00:04:45,500\n我跟你講其實我們沒有推啦我們就是第一個我們把我們分內事情都先做好了那也就是說內政部的部分沒問題了是其他部位的問題囉我們其他部位的話其實有一些是業務收整跟做實施而已那聽你這樣講應該很快囉因為內政部已經好了其他部位都在收尾所以應該很快會好了那我想照顧新住民的權益這個是我們應該做的啦\n\n14\n00:04:46,160 --> 00:05:05,234\n我想其實我們有一個對照組我們可以看到運動部的組織法在114年1月24號才公告但卓榮泰院長在短短的數個月之間就高調的宣布9月9號要正式掛牌成立運動部籌備的進度令人十分吃驚\n\n15\n00:05:06,255 --> 00:05:31,817\n但是相較於新住民的基本法照理說運動部是行政院的二級機關它所牽扯的範圍可能更大需要了解的事情可能更多而且新住民專責機構不過就是三級機構照理說也應該比較容易設立那為什麼是會高層如果有意就快馬加鞭那如果沒有關注就無限拖延我甚至懷疑就是說如果這個\n\n16\n00:05:34,099 --> 00:05:53,918\n這個我們的新住民基本法如果可以對大罷免這個加溫的話也許早就通過了就是因為它對大罷免沒什麼影響甚至是負面的影響所以到現在可能都沒通過的原因是在這裡然後另外再請教您一下就是行政院網站也把新住民基本法列為重要的政策那我請教一下次長\n\n17\n00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:14,125\n常常說要照顧新住民把新住民當作我們的家人可是現在看到好像只是把新住民當成宣傳工具根本就沒有要落實基本的誠意那也請內政部跟人事總處清楚的回答新住民基本法的實施日期為什麼還沒辦法決定是誰在擋剛剛次長已經回答過那請這個人事總長\n\n18\n00:06:20,244 --> 00:06:48,726\n謝謝委員我想新住民的一個潛意照顧是大家都有共識事實上也沒有在擋因為在整個審議的程序我們必須要按照一定的一個程序來讓大家就按照整個程序當社會法制委員會指出法通過以後你就記得一步一步來我們一定支持因為對新住民潛意的保障大家都有很高的共識那任市長既然說沒有在擋那\n\n19\n00:06:49,747 --> 00:07:14,065\n就是在拖囉也不是在拖事實上很重要就是說之前喔在基本法第三條裡面所有這一些新住民潛意的一些業務的推動還是回歸到主管機關譬如像衛福部相關部會嘛那現在內政部在做的就是要把這一些原來各個部會主管的再把它細緻化因為既然成立這個\n\n20\n00:07:15,066 --> 00:07:32,185\n新的機關我們就是要做的比以前更好嗎我知道你們都非常的細緻啊所以就到現在都已經將近快一年了那其實看起來的話我覺得這種事實上是已經涉及行政太多所以還是希望各部會大家要共同的加快腳步為我們的新住民爭取權益謝謝好謝謝謝偉\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7463\t12618\t謝主席 我們請吳次長還有移民署林署長以及人事總署的蘇仁市長蘇市長\n23639\t37804\t請教一下次長跟署長就是我們的新住民基本法其實在去年的8月12號就已經正式公告了那當然這一步法我想是為了保護新住民而且對於我們的多元的族群跟包容社會的一個承諾\n38704\t58959\t那其實從這個通過公告到現在其實已經快要大概差不多十個月的時候但是目前都還沒有定定施行的日期甚至連專責的機構目前也都還成立的時間都還沒有下文那請教一下次長因為我知道在去年七月我們這個法\n60019\t80739\t一完成三讀之後其實當時的政務委員就是史哲他已經就有召開一次的會議那針對這個部分的話他也說要落實新住民基本法第四條所定的應該這個設置新住民事務專責的中央三級行政機關並於適當的時機承包行政院的這個審議那請問次長當時負責這個的政務委員史哲\n85623\t102139\t因為他現在已經高升離職去當高鐵的董事長坐領高薪那針對他所帶領的之前政務委員擔任負責的部分是不是又要再重來一次新的政務委員接了之後是不是又要重開一次會議\n103969\t125551\t謝謝委員 我想這個去年在史哲政委的邀集下其實我們也有跟行政院都有報告我們未來成立三級機關的一個進度所以後來後續的部分是由我們這邊成立那個我們的所以史哲 當時政務委員他只主持過那麼一次就是七月的時候召開的是嗎應該有兩次 不止\n126272\t146199\t在今年的5月27號有第三次的一個召開也是有史哲這個政務委員召開的嗎是的所以說光這個他召開的這個會議就三次那你們剛剛我看你們的報告你們寫總共有召開過七次是有包含這三次嗎沒有跟委員包含那七次是我們內政部跟移民署\n146919\t163091\t我們針對要成立三級基專所以表示說已經有跨部會的這個院會來去協調那為什麼到現在還沒有辦法成立這個專責機構的這個施行的日期我想就是因為基本法裡面的內容條文的部分\n163291\t192604\t第一個我們要先確認他的未來的業務執掌所以有包括剛剛文化教育勞動跟衛福部的分工那有些的寄存業務是在他們各個部會那我們就是我們開會就是要哪些業務是收整到有我們的成立的新的那如果像這樣講的話其實包含政院的已經開了十次會那都還沒有這個嗎還沒有這個討論好誰負責的跟誰分工的這相關的業務嗎跟委員報告其實我們自己的內部的部分就是未來新竹民發展署\n193044\t208600\t我們就是已經大概規劃完就是四個組十二個課然後需求那其他部會因為我在內政委會我很清楚但是請問其他的部會其他部會就是來參加我這邊的那個小組會議然後那好請問什麼時候可以施行\n209821\t238655\t那我想這個部分相關後續我們都有跟行政院做報告對 那什麼時候呢整個組織法 因為拖了快一年了嘛一點進展都沒有連這個籌備小組感覺上都沒有太大的進展不會 其實我們幾乎進展都已經差不多那接下來就是那好 差不多了嗎行政院如果說一旦申請的時候那預估大概什麼時候你們已經送行政院了嗎我們都有把資料都有先跟行政院報告過好 那大概什麼時候呢這個可能還要問行政院那行政院今天有人來嗎\n240998\t261605\t還要問行政院也就是說你們都送給行政院但是行政院還沒決定嗎我們都有跟行政院討論我們就正在討論然後包括所謂這個新住民發展署的組織法的內容那這樣子每個部會如果到這樣大家都推來推去你主管什麼我主管什麼你負責什麼我負責什麼然後都不知道最後再推給行政院那請問這部法大概什麼時候可以正式施行\n262065\t285500\t我跟你講其實我們沒有推啦我們就是第一個我們把我們分內事情都先做好了那也就是說內政部的部分沒問題了是其他部位的問題囉我們其他部位的話其實有一些是業務收整跟做實施而已那聽你這樣講應該很快囉因為內政部已經好了其他部位都在收尾所以應該很快會好了那我想照顧新住民的權益這個是我們應該做的啦\n286160\t305234\t我想其實我們有一個對照組我們可以看到運動部的組織法在114年1月24號才公告但卓榮泰院長在短短的數個月之間就高調的宣布9月9號要正式掛牌成立運動部籌備的進度令人十分吃驚\n306255\t331817\t但是相較於新住民的基本法照理說運動部是行政院的二級機關它所牽扯的範圍可能更大需要了解的事情可能更多而且新住民專責機構不過就是三級機構照理說也應該比較容易設立那為什麼是會高層如果有意就快馬加鞭那如果沒有關注就無限拖延我甚至懷疑就是說如果這個\n334099\t353918\t這個我們的新住民基本法如果可以對大罷免這個加溫的話也許早就通過了就是因為它對大罷免沒什麼影響甚至是負面的影響所以到現在可能都沒通過的原因是在這裡然後另外再請教您一下就是行政院網站也把新住民基本法列為重要的政策那我請教一下次長\n355279\t374125\t常常說要照顧新住民把新住民當作我們的家人可是現在看到好像只是把新住民當成宣傳工具根本就沒有要落實基本的誠意那也請內政部跟人事總處清楚的回答新住民基本法的實施日期為什麼還沒辦法決定是誰在擋剛剛次長已經回答過那請這個人事總長\n380244\t408726\t謝謝委員我想新住民的一個潛意照顧是大家都有共識事實上也沒有在擋因為在整個審議的程序我們必須要按照一定的一個程序來讓大家就按照整個程序當社會法制委員會指出法通過以後你就記得一步一步來我們一定支持因為對新住民潛意的保障大家都有很高的共識那任市長既然說沒有在擋那\n409747\t434065\t就是在拖囉也不是在拖 事實上很重要就是說之前喔 在基本法第三條裡面所有這一些新住民潛意的一些業務的推動還是回歸到主管機關 譬如像衛福部相關部會嘛那現在內政部在做的就是要把這一些原來各個部會主管的再把它細緻化 因為既然成立這個\n435066\t452185\t新的機關我們就是要做的比以前更好嗎我知道你們都非常的細緻啊所以就到現在都已經將近快一年了那其實看起來的話我覺得這種事實上是已經涉及行政太多所以還是希望各部會大家要共同的加快腳步為我們的新住民爭取權益謝謝好 謝謝謝偉\n","txt":"謝主席 我們請吳次長還有移民署林署長以及人事總署的蘇仁市長蘇市長\n請教一下次長跟署長就是我們的新住民基本法其實在去年的8月12號就已經正式公告了那當然這一步法我想是為了保護新住民而且對於我們的多元的族群跟包容社會的一個承諾\n那其實從這個通過公告到現在其實已經快要大概差不多十個月的時候但是目前都還沒有定定施行的日期甚至連專責的機構目前也都還成立的時間都還沒有下文那請教一下次長因為我知道在去年七月我們這個法\n一完成三讀之後其實當時的政務委員就是史哲他已經就有召開一次的會議那針對這個部分的話他也說要落實新住民基本法第四條所定的應該這個設置新住民事務專責的中央三級行政機關並於適當的時機承包行政院的這個審議那請問次長當時負責這個的政務委員史哲\n因為他現在已經高升離職去當高鐵的董事長坐領高薪那針對他所帶領的之前政務委員擔任負責的部分是不是又要再重來一次新的政務委員接了之後是不是又要重開一次會議\n謝謝委員 我想這個去年在史哲政委的邀集下其實我們也有跟行政院都有報告我們未來成立三級機關的一個進度所以後來後續的部分是由我們這邊成立那個我們的所以史哲 當時政務委員他只主持過那麼一次就是七月的時候召開的是嗎應該有兩次 不止\n在今年的5月27號有第三次的一個召開也是有史哲這個政務委員召開的嗎是的所以說光這個他召開的這個會議就三次那你們剛剛我看你們的報告你們寫總共有召開過七次是有包含這三次嗎沒有跟委員包含那七次是我們內政部跟移民署\n我們針對要成立三級基專所以表示說已經有跨部會的這個院會來去協調那為什麼到現在還沒有辦法成立這個專責機構的這個施行的日期我想就是因為基本法裡面的內容條文的部分\n第一個我們要先確認他的未來的業務執掌所以有包括剛剛文化教育勞動跟衛福部的分工那有些的寄存業務是在他們各個部會那我們就是我們開會就是要哪些業務是收整到有我們的成立的新的那如果像這樣講的話其實包含政院的已經開了十次會那都還沒有這個嗎還沒有這個討論好誰負責的跟誰分工的這相關的業務嗎跟委員報告其實我們自己的內部的部分就是未來新竹民發展署\n我們就是已經大概規劃完就是四個組十二個課然後需求那其他部會因為我在內政委會我很清楚但是請問其他的部會其他部會就是來參加我這邊的那個小組會議然後那好請問什麼時候可以施行\n那我想這個部分相關後續我們都有跟行政院做報告對 那什麼時候呢整個組織法 因為拖了快一年了嘛一點進展都沒有連這個籌備小組感覺上都沒有太大的進展不會 其實我們幾乎進展都已經差不多那接下來就是那好 差不多了嗎行政院如果說一旦申請的時候那預估大概什麼時候你們已經送行政院了嗎我們都有把資料都有先跟行政院報告過好 那大概什麼時候呢這個可能還要問行政院那行政院今天有人來嗎\n還要問行政院也就是說你們都送給行政院但是行政院還沒決定嗎我們都有跟行政院討論我們就正在討論然後包括所謂這個新住民發展署的組織法的內容那這樣子每個部會如果到這樣大家都推來推去你主管什麼我主管什麼你負責什麼我負責什麼然後都不知道最後再推給行政院那請問這部法大概什麼時候可以正式施行\n我跟你講其實我們沒有推啦我們就是第一個我們把我們分內事情都先做好了那也就是說內政部的部分沒問題了是其他部位的問題囉我們其他部位的話其實有一些是業務收整跟做實施而已那聽你這樣講應該很快囉因為內政部已經好了其他部位都在收尾所以應該很快會好了那我想照顧新住民的權益這個是我們應該做的啦\n我想其實我們有一個對照組我們可以看到運動部的組織法在114年1月24號才公告但卓榮泰院長在短短的數個月之間就高調的宣布9月9號要正式掛牌成立運動部籌備的進度令人十分吃驚\n但是相較於新住民的基本法照理說運動部是行政院的二級機關它所牽扯的範圍可能更大需要了解的事情可能更多而且新住民專責機構不過就是三級機構照理說也應該比較容易設立那為什麼是會高層如果有意就快馬加鞭那如果沒有關注就無限拖延我甚至懷疑就是說如果這個\n這個我們的新住民基本法如果可以對大罷免這個加溫的話也許早就通過了就是因為它對大罷免沒什麼影響甚至是負面的影響所以到現在可能都沒通過的原因是在這裡然後另外再請教您一下就是行政院網站也把新住民基本法列為重要的政策那我請教一下次長\n常常說要照顧新住民把新住民當作我們的家人可是現在看到好像只是把新住民當成宣傳工具根本就沒有要落實基本的誠意那也請內政部跟人事總處清楚的回答新住民基本法的實施日期為什麼還沒辦法決定是誰在擋剛剛次長已經回答過那請這個人事總長\n謝謝委員我想新住民的一個潛意照顧是大家都有共識事實上也沒有在擋因為在整個審議的程序我們必須要按照一定的一個程序來讓大家就按照整個程序當社會法制委員會指出法通過以後你就記得一步一步來我們一定支持因為對新住民潛意的保障大家都有很高的共識那任市長既然說沒有在擋那\n就是在拖囉也不是在拖 事實上很重要就是說之前喔 在基本法第三條裡面所有這一些新住民潛意的一些業務的推動還是回歸到主管機關 譬如像衛福部相關部會嘛那現在內政部在做的就是要把這一些原來各個部會主管的再把它細緻化 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