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00:00:18,947\n市長好我想這個因為最近的新聞媒體都有報導閃兵事件頻傳那麼尤其是這個王大陸等等27人的閃兵案其實在本週一的時候就已經起訴了27個人那麼對於這樣的一個問題其實我想社會大眾都很關注那麼到底這個現在去扶替代役他的在整個的\n\n3\n00:00:41,358 --> 00:01:03,410\n審驗的過程當中有沒有真的有不實的這個狀況或是有包庇想要去申請免除替代役的人的這樣一個情況那麼簡單來說就是其實蠻多現在要服替代役年齡的這些青年他們都想方設法想要逃兵那麼對於就是\n\n4\n00:01:05,092 --> 00:01:27,715\n內政部除了說目前主動清查還有檢討體會判定等等標準之外對於就是防範逃兵役的這件事情逃服替代役的這個事情內政部目前有沒有就是有沒有一些新的計畫要怎麼樣來防止這個異難來逃避服替代役\n\n5\n00:01:28,627 --> 00:01:51,566\n好謝謝委員的指教我想服病疫是國民應經義務啦那我們內政部的醫生師就這個部分像後續如果有說修正相關的體會確認標準我們都會跟國防部來做個確認那這一次的事件其實也凸顯了如果說有一些需要再做補強補全的我們都會跟國防部來做一個討論\n\n6\n00:01:52,366 --> 00:02:06,537\n好我想內政部這邊可能還是要積極一些因為現在看到這個linetoday上面其實也有發起投票然後也說這個有好就是由民間自發這個認為說有些方案基本是可以防止這個防止\n\n7\n00:02:09,579 --> 00:02:31,155\n這個逃避服替代役的這樣子的一個這樣的一些做法那我希望就是說內政部呢其實應該要更積極的去跟國防部或是你們自己內部也要提出一個相關的檢討方案否則的話我們看到有些人他就會鑽法律漏洞或是利用這個提報不實的醫檢的報告來\n\n8\n00:02:34,797 --> 00:02:55,175\n逃避替代役所以這個部分希望次長能夠多關注這個議題那接下來就是說有關於替代役管理其實也出了問題因為我們有看到新聞上面有在講就是有役男有爆料在成功嶺上面甚至可能有一些替代役的役男在軍中\n\n9\n00:02:58,158 --> 00:03:17,758\n在營內持有或吸食毒品或者是還強迫同梯的一男吸食的這些新聞那麼我們知道其實依照毒品防害防治條例第33條的規定其實對於特定人員的尿液要進行採驗\n\n10\n00:03:20,202 --> 00:03:45,787\n那麼在這邊要請教就是說對於這首入伍時候的這些替代役藝男會實施相關的尿液檢驗嗎因為如果說在替代役藝男在營中然後發生這些問題那目前是怎麼樣的管理方式而且就是他們在服役的過程當中有沒有就是常常會去進行一些尿檢\n\n11\n00:03:46,809 --> 00:04:06,753\n是我想跟委員報告因為剛好這個議政並不是我這邊執掌不過就我理解啦應該是個案的問題應該在進來營區的時候在營區是並沒有說有其他的不法的情況那你委員講的部分是不是我容我會後我再請我們議政室來檢討一下說我們未來有什麼方法去做一個防度\n\n12\n00:04:07,426 --> 00:04:21,929\n好的我想這個議題基本上因為在網路上面其實有曾經有服過替代役的一男其實也有相關的這個反應就是說在整個的替代役的這個他們的這個統一管理的營區裡面可能\n\n13\n00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:34,801\n會有發生這樣的一個情況那麼如果說是這個還強迫其他同梯的這個夥伴還要去吸食一些相關毒品的話那我認為說這個其實是嚴重的問題而且呢就是現在\n\n14\n00:04:39,045 --> 00:05:04,662\n既然我們在毒品防害防治條例裡面其實有規定針對一些特定的人員他必須要採取實施尿液的檢測所以未來像是替代液的應難有沒有這個必要可能就是例行性的可能每隔一段時間去進行尿液檢測來確保說他們基本上不會在營區裡面有發生有這種吸毒的狀況我覺得這個也是有必要的那就請次長可能這部分再行研議\n\n15\n00:05:05,522 --> 00:05:12,863\n好然後還有就是有關於總統府因為就是大家記得總統其實他上任之後沒多久他基本上就宣布了幾個委員會雖然這個委員會可能跳脫組織法裡面的規定但是像全社會防衛任性委員會還有就是接下來我們談的這個城鎮任性委員會等等其實他們基本上都常常都會去辦一些民安演習所謂的這些防護的演習\n\n16\n00:05:34,187 --> 00:05:54,477\n可是我們曉得不管是這個全社會防衛任性委員會舉辦的實地演練或者是城鎮任性的演習其實看起來現在軍方都沒有加入都沒有參與這個是什麼原因為什麼都強調軍方不參與不依賴國軍的支援這樣子的做法是對的嗎\n\n17\n00:05:57,946 --> 00:06:11,495\n其實我們的全社會防外任性的部分其實跟軍方的演習是並不相干啦只是說我們要了解說台灣未來發生一些緊急危難危害的時候我們對於國人的部分的全民的\n\n18\n00:06:12,655 --> 00:06:29,104\n的防衛例如說有要防災室訓練還有緊急救護還有一些做一個處理我想跟國軍那個是變得不一樣我在這邊我要提醒市長的就是說因為在我們的災害防救法裡面的規定基本上國軍是有一定的角色的\n\n19\n00:06:30,104 --> 00:06:54,095\n那在我們的民防法裡面其實也是說民防工作要與軍事情務相關的話他們是由中央主管局內政部跟國防部一起督導執行也就是說我們今天辦理這些演習基本上不能夠說只是由民間或是由內政部去督導它未來它發生緊急事故的時候一定是國軍也會加入\n\n20\n00:06:55,135 --> 00:07:22,919\n所以未來在你們的相關的演習舉辦的時候實際演練本席是認為基本上還是要能夠主動的聯繫國軍大家一起來辦這樣才有意義否則的話真的發生什麼情況的話變成是兩邊沒有辦法系統沒有辦法聯繫然後也忽略了國軍資源與國軍資源的整合是非常可惜的一件事情因為在我們現行法裡面就已經有清楚的規定\n\n21\n00:07:23,859 --> 00:07:40,605\n所以本席這邊也提出來希望內政部也能夠去檢討未來相關演習的時候應該要結合國軍一起來舉辦這樣才會更有意義還能夠發揮實際的功效好不好那就這樣提供給次長做參考\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9800\t11768\t主席好 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