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00:02:16,207\n那麼就針對內容的部分跟市長來做一下討論像我們一些籌備小組開了很多次的籌備會議其實基本上你們人央馬翻因為在成立新的署之後才會有新的員額新的人進來負責新的事務但在籌備的階段其實每多籌備一天對內政部來講就是尤其對移民署來講它其實就是很大的負擔因為就本期的了解現在大概都是移民署本來是移民署下面的科所以就這一群人在做\n\n7\n00:02:17,107 --> 00:02:40,504\n在這個科的人力元額這樣的數量在處理未來一個署要做的事情包含籌備其實是非常非常辛苦那我想請教如果說我們這個法案順利的通過新住民發展署趕快給它成立之後這人力的問題人力的缺口要怎麼樣來增補你還是要從移民署調派嗎還是我會來重新招考大概會有多少元額這部分有沒有一些相關的資料可以提供呢\n\n8\n00:02:41,024 --> 00:03:06,117\n好謝謝我想跟委員報告我去年到現在已經召開七次主持的會議其實也針對人員的員額我們都有在我們內政部包括人事處還有人總這邊有一些是需要傾徵那原本業務移撥的部分的話就是移民署大概會有將近50位同仁要移撥到未來的新住民發展署那另外傾徵員額大概也要將近50個那這個部分我們都有跟人事處跟人事總署都有所以大概會是100個\n\n9\n00:03:08,018 --> 00:03:26,090\n我們認為目前的最適規模我們未來成長大概也是抓到100也是在100個左右是的好這個我希望他明確所以然後我想次長你應該也不希望這個法案耽擱對不對你也希望這個署趕快來成立對不對\n\n10\n00:03:28,184 --> 00:03:51,895\n我覺得這個只要是政策我們都會推動政策都會推動因為今天本來是希望今天可以做但是因為這個大家議程的安排或怎麼樣當然我們尊重這邊主席的安排但沒有關係我本席是非常希望它可以盡速來成立那我們再三強調這個新的新住民發展組絕對不能被攬股啦好不好如果我覺得這有共識的話大家可能就會比較安心一點那第二個就是人力的支援啦我們也希望內政部這邊更加積極因為\n\n11\n00:03:54,716 --> 00:04:14,942\n你拖一天就是移民署累一天嘛移民署撥走五十個人之後移民署既有利誤會不會受影響我再追問一下這個我要不要請我們署長來補充一下好啊可以啊移民署署長有請因為成立性的署其實兩個單位就有工作屬性會調整屬性會調整嘛一部分工作會分出去嘛對不對所以你五十人規模會有什麼樣的具體影響我也來探討一下\n\n12\n00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:26,048\n委員好我們這邊跟委員做一個報告齁其實這個目前為止我們新住民基本法相關的一些業務齁那\n\n13\n00:04:28,089 --> 00:04:50,151\n我們移民署現在在承辦新住民的這些相關業務裡面總共有13項業務然後因為我們新住民基本法裡面在新住民的定義裡面有做了一個擴張所以會有所謂的擴大辦理的業務總共有15項然後因為我們也把所謂的技術跟所謂的專業的移民也納進去了所以會有我們\n\n14\n00:04:52,433 --> 00:05:19,045\n56項的一個新增業務所以到時候我們移民署原本的既有的13項業務我們會持續的來推動那新增跟擴大的部分可能就這個新發署來接續以上所以50個人基本上對移民署來講衝擊就還可以因為本來就是這50個人本來就是在做跟新住民相關的嘛你只是換一個服務單位這樣子的概念對不對是好那你們這個人力轉調計畫的一些期程你們自己有沒有內部抓時間表\n\n15\n00:05:21,547 --> 00:05:50,934\n沒關係都可以看誰要回答因為這個主要我們必須得配合所謂我們的這個這個新住民基本法的一個施行日的實踐嘛所以說早一點處理完其實就早一點把這個短期資源跟中間籌備工作趕快做一個了結嘛對不對所以本期當然是非常希望這個東西可以盡速來處理那最後一點點時間針對各個委員現在提出來的版本組織法律修正其實我覺得內容大同小異請問這個我們行政機關這邊針對法條的內容有什麼意見或者是不同意的地方嗎\n\n16\n00:05:51,874 --> 00:06:05,803\n我想簡單跟委員報告,我今天看到的各個版本部分可能有一些是屬於並非屬於三級機關的權責,譬如說國家考試,另外還有社會保險,社會保險因為在基本法裡面沒有這項規定,所以可能會逾越母法沒有授權。\n\n17\n00:06:09,645 --> 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謝謝 我想跟委員報告我去年到現在已經召開七次主持的會議其實也針對人員的員額我們都有在我們內政部包括人事處還有人總這邊有一些是需要傾徵那原本業務移撥的部分的話就是移民署大概會有將近50位同仁要移撥到未來的新住民發展署那另外傾徵員額大概也要將近50個那這個部分我們都有跟人事處跟人事總署都有所以大概會是100個\n188018\t206090\t我們認為目前的最適規模我們未來成長大概也是抓到100也是在100個左右是的好這個我希望他明確所以然後我想次長你應該也不希望這個法案耽擱對不對你也希望這個署趕快來成立對不對\n208184\t231895\t我覺得這個只要是政策我們都會推動政策都會推動因為今天本來是希望今天可以做但是因為這個大家議程的安排或怎麼樣當然我們尊重這邊主席的安排但沒有關係我本席是非常希望它可以盡速來成立那我們再三強調這個新的新住民發展組絕對不能被攬股啦好不好如果我覺得這有共識的話大家可能就會比較安心一點那第二個就是人力的支援啦我們也希望內政部這邊更加積極因為\n234716\t254942\t你拖一天就是移民署累一天嘛移民署撥走五十個人之後移民署既有利誤會不會受影響我再追問一下這個我要不要請我們署長來補充一下好啊 可以啊 移民署署長有請因為成立性的署其實兩個單位就有工作屬性會調整屬性會調整嘛 一部分工作會分出去嘛 對不對所以你五十人規模會有什麼樣的具體影響我也來探討一下\n257250\t266048\t委員好我們這邊跟委員做一個報告齁其實這個目前為止我們新住民基本法相關的一些業務齁那\n268089\t290151\t我們移民署現在在承辦新住民的這些相關業務裡面總共有13項業務然後因為我們新住民基本法裡面在新住民的定義裡面有做了一個擴張所以會有所謂的擴大辦理的業務總共有15項然後因為我們也把所謂的技術跟所謂的專業的移民也納進去了所以會有我們\n292433\t319045\t56項的一個新增業務所以到時候我們移民署原本的既有的13項業務我們會持續的來推動那新增跟擴大的部分可能就這個新發署來接續以上所以50個人基本上對移民署來講衝擊就還可以因為本來就是這50個人本來就是在做跟新住民相關的嘛你只是換一個服務單位這樣子的概念對不對是好那你們這個人力轉調計畫的一些期程你們自己有沒有內部抓時間表\n321547\t350934\t沒關係都可以看誰要回答因為這個主要我們必須得配合所謂我們的這個這個新住民基本法的一個施行日的實踐嘛所以說早一點處理完其實就早一點把這個短期資源跟中間籌備工作趕快做一個了結嘛對不對所以本期當然是非常希望這個東西可以盡速來處理那最後一點點時間針對各個委員現在提出來的版本組織法律修正其實我覺得內容大同小異請問這個我們行政機關這邊針對法條的內容有什麼意見或者是不同意的地方嗎\n351874\t365803\t我想簡單跟委員報告,我今天看到的各個版本部分可能有一些是屬於並非屬於三級機關的權責,譬如說國家考試,另外還有社會保險,社會保險因為在基本法裡面沒有這項規定,所以可能會逾越母法沒有授權。\n369645\t391730\t那你們有沒有跟提案委員提早進行溝通跟說明呢我們收到版本之後其實也盡量趕快來先整理好 因為我希望就盡速說明嘛既然今天還沒有要進入到主條審查的階段那我們行政機關應該是利用時間早一點把你們會認為可能會自然難行的部分提早跟提案委員說明那我也相信各黨黨團會提前進行整合讓後續的審查速度可以加快那只要前期溝通做好後續速度加快\n392310\t406148\t趕快讓這個東西落袋為安趕快拍板那我想趕快讓對我們的新住民朋友施以更大的援手讓這個品質可以更加提升希望喔這個不管黨派這應該是一個這個跨黨派的共識啦希望我們可以盡快努力 盡速達成 好嗎市長辛苦了 謝謝\n","txt":"我們現在很擔心啦因為上次修正行政院組織法增加一個數的空間是因為配合內政委員會修正這個新住民基本法嘛這個民定基本上要有所謂的相關的一個專責機關那當初大家的共識基本上都是這樣\n但是大家其實都挺擔心的就是說這一個署在那個地方每一個部都也虎視眈眈所以在詢問相關內容之前我要問一下這個新住民發展署最後會不會被人家攔戶啊多了這個署到最後不是新住民發展署有沒有可能出現這樣的事\n謝謝委員指教我想我們依照基本法的第四條就明定要成立中央三級機關那我們從去年開始公告的時候我們就朝這個目標一直在努力所以說我們都已經整理完了大概也是個組12個科100人的規模有沒有其他的部會在\n期待這個新的緣額就你的了解可能我只能focus在我內政部的業務你有沒有辦法把握現在我們內政部是走最快最積極的而且最接近的應該是嘛我們一直都走很快喔好這我們要提醒一下嘛就是說如果最後被人家攔胡的話那其實是違反新住民基本法嘛對不對我們政府機關政府一體不能夠自己做出一些讓自己政策打架的事嘛對不對所以吳市長應該會非常積極推動這件事對不對\n我一直在做因為這個事關我們要不要快速通關嘛對不對大家其實有很多人很緊張就是因為擔心說這個數到最後被人家攔戶我聽起來應該是不會啦因為今天不管朝野各黨在談這樣的事情的時候基本上都是大家都是對焦在新住民的政策嘛我們也希望新住民這個東西趕快來處理好\n那麼就針對內容的部分跟市長來做一下討論像我們一些籌備小組開了很多次的籌備會議其實基本上你們人央馬翻因為在成立新的署之後才會有新的員額新的人進來負責新的事務但在籌備的階段其實每多籌備一天對內政部來講就是尤其對移民署來講它其實就是很大的負擔因為就本期的了解現在大概都是移民署本來是移民署下面的科所以就這一群人在做\n在這個科的人力元額這樣的數量在處理未來一個署要做的事情包含籌備其實是非常非常辛苦那我想請教如果說我們這個法案順利的通過新住民發展署趕快給它成立之後這人力的問題人力的缺口要怎麼樣來增補你還是要從移民署調派嗎還是我會來重新招考大概會有多少元額這部分有沒有一些相關的資料可以提供呢\n好 謝謝 我想跟委員報告我去年到現在已經召開七次主持的會議其實也針對人員的員額我們都有在我們內政部包括人事處還有人總這邊有一些是需要傾徵那原本業務移撥的部分的話就是移民署大概會有將近50位同仁要移撥到未來的新住民發展署那另外傾徵員額大概也要將近50個那這個部分我們都有跟人事處跟人事總署都有所以大概會是100個\n我們認為目前的最適規模我們未來成長大概也是抓到100也是在100個左右是的好這個我希望他明確所以然後我想次長你應該也不希望這個法案耽擱對不對你也希望這個署趕快來成立對不對\n我覺得這個只要是政策我們都會推動政策都會推動因為今天本來是希望今天可以做但是因為這個大家議程的安排或怎麼樣當然我們尊重這邊主席的安排但沒有關係我本席是非常希望它可以盡速來成立那我們再三強調這個新的新住民發展組絕對不能被攬股啦好不好如果我覺得這有共識的話大家可能就會比較安心一點那第二個就是人力的支援啦我們也希望內政部這邊更加積極因為\n你拖一天就是移民署累一天嘛移民署撥走五十個人之後移民署既有利誤會不會受影響我再追問一下這個我要不要請我們署長來補充一下好啊 可以啊 移民署署長有請因為成立性的署其實兩個單位就有工作屬性會調整屬性會調整嘛 一部分工作會分出去嘛 對不對所以你五十人規模會有什麼樣的具體影響我也來探討一下\n委員好我們這邊跟委員做一個報告齁其實這個目前為止我們新住民基本法相關的一些業務齁那\n我們移民署現在在承辦新住民的這些相關業務裡面總共有13項業務然後因為我們新住民基本法裡面在新住民的定義裡面有做了一個擴張所以會有所謂的擴大辦理的業務總共有15項然後因為我們也把所謂的技術跟所謂的專業的移民也納進去了所以會有我們\n56項的一個新增業務所以到時候我們移民署原本的既有的13項業務我們會持續的來推動那新增跟擴大的部分可能就這個新發署來接續以上所以50個人基本上對移民署來講衝擊就還可以因為本來就是這50個人本來就是在做跟新住民相關的嘛你只是換一個服務單位這樣子的概念對不對是好那你們這個人力轉調計畫的一些期程你們自己有沒有內部抓時間表\n沒關係都可以看誰要回答因為這個主要我們必須得配合所謂我們的這個這個新住民基本法的一個施行日的實踐嘛所以說早一點處理完其實就早一點把這個短期資源跟中間籌備工作趕快做一個了結嘛對不對所以本期當然是非常希望這個東西可以盡速來處理那最後一點點時間針對各個委員現在提出來的版本組織法律修正其實我覺得內容大同小異請問這個我們行政機關這邊針對法條的內容有什麼意見或者是不同意的地方嗎\n我想簡單跟委員報告,我今天看到的各個版本部分可能有一些是屬於並非屬於三級機關的權責,譬如說國家考試,另外還有社會保險,社會保險因為在基本法裡面沒有這項規定,所以可能會逾越母法沒有授權。\n那你們有沒有跟提案委員提早進行溝通跟說明呢我們收到版本之後其實也盡量趕快來先整理好 因為我希望就盡速說明嘛既然今天還沒有要進入到主條審查的階段那我們行政機關應該是利用時間早一點把你們會認為可能會自然難行的部分提早跟提案委員說明那我也相信各黨黨團會提前進行整合讓後續的審查速度可以加快那只要前期溝通做好後續速度加快\n趕快讓這個東西落袋為安趕快拍板那我想趕快讓對我們的新住民朋友施以更大的援手讓這個品質可以更加提升希望喔這個不管黨派這應該是一個這個跨黨派的共識啦希望我們可以盡快努力 盡速達成 好嗎市長辛苦了 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.830 --> 00:28.531\n我們現在很擔心啦因為上次修正行政院組織法增加一個數的空間是因為配合內政委員會修正這個新住民基本法嘛這個民定基本上要有所謂的相關的一個專責機關那當初大家的共識基本上都是這樣\n\n00:28.991 --> 00:46.588\n但是大家其實都挺擔心的就是說這一個署在那個地方每一個部都也虎視眈眈所以在詢問相關內容之前我要問一下這個新住民發展署最後會不會被人家攔戶啊多了這個署到最後不是新住民發展署有沒有可能出現這樣的事\n\n00:47.698 --> 01:04.006\n謝謝委員指教我想我們依照基本法的第四條就明定要成立中央三級機關那我們從去年開始公告的時候我們就朝這個目標一直在努力所以說我們都已經整理完了大概也是個組12個科100人的規模有沒有其他的部會在\n\n01:05.600 --> 01:29.887\n期待這個新的緣額就你的了解可能我只能focus在我內政部的業務你有沒有辦法把握現在我們內政部是走最快最積極的而且最接近的應該是嘛我們一直都走很快喔好這我們要提醒一下嘛就是說如果最後被人家攔胡的話那其實是違反新住民基本法嘛對不對我們政府機關政府一體不能夠自己做出一些讓自己政策打架的事嘛對不對所以吳市長應該會非常積極推動這件事對不對\n\n01:31.287 --> 01:49.377\n我一直在做因為這個事關我們要不要快速通關嘛對不對大家其實有很多人很緊張就是因為擔心說這個數到最後被人家攔戶我聽起來應該是不會啦因為今天不管朝野各黨在談這樣的事情的時候基本上都是大家都是對焦在新住民的政策嘛我們也希望新住民這個東西趕快來處理好\n\n01:50.518 --> 02:16.207\n那麼就針對內容的部分跟市長來做一下討論像我們一些籌備小組開了很多次的籌備會議其實基本上你們人央馬翻因為在成立新的署之後才會有新的員額新的人進來負責新的事務但在籌備的階段其實每多籌備一天對內政部來講就是尤其對移民署來講它其實就是很大的負擔因為就本期的了解現在大概都是移民署本來是移民署下面的科所以就這一群人在做\n\n02:17.107 --> 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