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00:01:03,826\n請問一下衛福部有沒有考慮要調整報告委員我想這個是有一個要不要調整這是一個審議會那會兩年再開一次會會做一個建議所以你們這兩年開一次會所以代表你們有八次的審議委員會都認為不需要再調整是嗎是不是我請國界署吳司長跟委員報告一下\n\n4\n00:01:04,858 --> 00:01:19,709\n好麻煩很快謝謝委員我們兩年請這個專家評估一次那召開審議委員會以後提出建議那由這個衛福部跨部會跟財政部等相關單位要再召開委員會來決定要不要調整\n\n5\n00:01:19,909 --> 00:01:31,299\n好了解我跟你講主要是因為在WHO的建議是這個健康捐獻要達到75%但是我們現在的健康捐的比例呢只是54%健康捐跟菸稅加起來54%所以事實上是還有調整的空間那當然這個議題主要是涉及到就是我們看到我們目前的\n\n6\n00:01:43,010 --> 00:01:52,937\n健康捐另一年健康捐的收入是一直下滑這當然有一種比較好的說法就是因為可能衛福部這邊推動煙品煙害防治有成效但是另外一個情況有可能現在就是吸煙草的煙\n\n7\n00:02:04,164 --> 00:02:28,394\n的消費族群全部都去轉到去抽加熱煙或者是電子煙所以這也是這個有這樣子的一個情況那麼因此對於這個煙圈的下滑的這個部分那當然本席這邊會認為說既然我們的煙圈收入逐漸下降所以對於目前所分配的項目是不是應該有所調整呢\n\n8\n00:02:29,696 --> 00:02:41,767\n是對我想我們就是剛剛吳市長有報告我們由兩年離社專家協者開會以後來再經過委員會來討論不是我現在不是講菸捐調整而是說菸捐的分配用途任何的建議我們都會列入來討論好我們來看一下因為你們現在菸捐分配的用途的話這個我們在112年的時候曾經有修過菸捐的使用用途的這個分配辦法\n\n9\n00:02:51,977 --> 00:03:21,001\n那麼但是呢本席有發現依照你們自己的菸捐分配用途的這個執行計畫裡面我們有看到有一些費用有一些這個這些這個錢事實上應該是可以用公務預算來編列的譬如說像是疫苗基金有關於疫苗的部分疫苗基金有補助然後或是我們透過菸捐去補貼購買一些疫苗那這些疫苗的部分事實上它本來也是可以透過\n\n10\n00:03:22,922 --> 00:03:41,130\n這個公務預算來編列的那因為這會產生一個排擠效應雖然我們現在對於這個罕見疾病的防治的經費可能也有所不足現在過去大家常常講說我們是不是應該多挹注在罕見疾病的這個醫療上面那麼因此像這個部分的話是不是衛福部應該要去檢討有關於菸菌挹注的\n\n11\n00:03:44,381 --> 00:03:53,186\n這個可以來檢討項目可以來檢討不過我跟委員報告一下我們對罕病的照顧我們是增加今年增加了20原來的健保總部變之下我增加了20億的公共預算來照顧罕病所以我們對罕病也是很重視那至於這裡面的一個項目我們都可以大家來研議\n\n12\n00:04:07,435 --> 00:04:30,127\n是也就是說是在整個菸捐的分配的部分如果說能夠將多一點的這個疫苗去這個菸捐的錢去捐助去益助罕病治療的話會更好但另外本行有發現在你們的這個菸捐的使用上面這也是依照你們自己的成果報告裡面所講的竟然還菸捐去支付國外的出國費用\n\n13\n00:04:31,768 --> 00:04:52,855\n像是林晉營次長陪同賴總統去繁榮南島智慧永續專案陪同賴總統去出訪太平洋友邦然後前衛福部的部長薛瑞元也是去巴拉圭參加這些會議那這些出國參加會議的經費適合用煙捐嗎\n\n14\n00:04:59,546 --> 00:05:20,656\n那事實上是不應該用煙磚的有依規定編列就可以使用你們這個部分本來應該是編列你們在公務的出國預算裡面可是你們現在把煙磚拿來做這種什麼陪手桶出國這個我本身認為說這樣子的方式是不對的是不正確的其實醫療專業的官員其實是做了很多的醫療上的交流啦\n\n15\n00:05:28,860 --> 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我們來看一下因為你們現在菸捐分配的用途的話這個我們在112年的時候曾經有修過菸捐的使用用途的這個分配辦法\n171977\t201001\t那麼但是呢本席有發現依照你們自己的菸捐分配用途的這個執行計畫裡面我們有看到有一些費用有一些這個這些這個錢事實上應該是可以用公務預算來編列的譬如說像是疫苗基金有關於疫苗的部分疫苗基金有補助然後或是我們透過菸捐去補貼購買一些疫苗那這些疫苗的部分事實上它本來也是可以透過\n202922\t221130\t這個公務預算來編列的那因為這會產生一個排擠效應雖然我們現在對於這個罕見疾病的防治的經費可能也有所不足現在過去大家常常講說我們是不是應該多挹注在罕見疾病的這個醫療上面那麼因此像這個部分的話是不是衛福部應該要去檢討有關於菸菌挹注的\n224381\t233186\t這個可以來檢討 項目可以來檢討不過我跟委員報告一下我們對罕病的照顧我們是增加今年增加了20 原來的健保總部變之下我增加了20億的公共預算來照顧罕病所以我們對罕病也是很重視那至於這裡面的一個項目我們都可以大家來研議\n247435\t270127\t是也就是說是在整個菸捐的分配的部分如果說能夠將多一點的這個疫苗去這個菸捐的錢去捐助去益助罕病治療的話會更好但另外本行有發現在你們的這個菸捐的使用上面這也是依照你們自己的成果報告裡面所講的竟然還菸捐去支付國外的出國費用\n271768\t292855\t像是林晉營次長陪同賴總統去繁榮南島智慧永續專案陪同賴總統去出訪太平洋友邦然後前衛福部的部長薛瑞元也是去巴拉圭參加這些會議那這些出國參加會議的經費適合用煙捐嗎\n299546\t320656\t那事實上是不應該用煙磚的有依規定編列就可以使用你們這個部分本來應該是編列你們在公務的出國預算裡面可是你們現在把煙磚拿來做這種什麼陪手桶出國這個我本身認為說這樣子的方式是不對的是不正確的其實醫療專業的官員其實是做了很多的醫療上的交流啦\n328860\t334061\t我今天提出這個問題,我希望衛福部能夠去檢討,而且要好好的善用煙捐而不是把煙捐拿去貼補你們衛福部的高官出國的差旅費好不好好,謝謝我們會檢討,而且這個都是用在醫藥的交流啦跟委員報告謝謝委員的諮詢,現在會請張祺凱委員諮詢\n","txt":"麻煩請邱部長邱部長邱部長\n市區部長好我想就是從我們2009年調整菸品健康福利捐之後呢其實到現在已經有16年都沒有再調整健康福利捐那麼針對這個要不要調整的問題其實現社會上也有一些意見就是說為什麼這麼多年來這麼多年了都沒有再調整我們現在的健康福利捐是每包20元也就是說這20元的價格已經是16年沒調\n請問一下衛福部有沒有考慮要調整報告委員我想這個是有一個要不要調整這是一個審議會那會兩年再開一次會會做一個建議所以你們這兩年開一次會所以代表你們有八次的審議委員會都認為不需要再調整是嗎是不是我請國界署吳司長跟委員報告一下\n好 麻煩很快謝謝委員 我們兩年請這個專家評估一次那召開審議委員會以後提出建議那由這個衛福部 跨部會跟財政部等相關單位要再召開委員會來決定要不要調整\n好 了解 我跟你講主要是因為在WHO的建議是這個健康捐獻要達到75%但是我們現在的健康捐的比例呢只是54%健康捐跟菸稅加起來54%所以事實上是還有調整的空間那當然這個議題主要是涉及到就是我們看到我們目前的\n健康捐另一年健康捐的收入是一直下滑這當然有一種比較好的說法就是因為可能衛福部這邊推動煙品 煙害防治有成效但是另外一個情況有可能現在就是吸煙草的煙\n的消費族群全部都去轉到去抽加熱煙或者是電子煙所以這也是這個有這樣子的一個情況那麼因此對於這個煙圈的下滑的這個部分那當然本席這邊會認為說既然我們的煙圈收入逐漸下降所以對於目前所分配的項目是不是應該有所調整呢\n是對 我想我們就是剛剛吳市長有報告我們由兩年離社專家協者開會以後來再經過委員會來討論不是 我現在不是講菸捐調整而是說菸捐的分配用途任何的建議我們都會列入來討論好 我們來看一下因為你們現在菸捐分配的用途的話這個我們在112年的時候曾經有修過菸捐的使用用途的這個分配辦法\n那麼但是呢本席有發現依照你們自己的菸捐分配用途的這個執行計畫裡面我們有看到有一些費用有一些這個這些這個錢事實上應該是可以用公務預算來編列的譬如說像是疫苗基金有關於疫苗的部分疫苗基金有補助然後或是我們透過菸捐去補貼購買一些疫苗那這些疫苗的部分事實上它本來也是可以透過\n這個公務預算來編列的那因為這會產生一個排擠效應雖然我們現在對於這個罕見疾病的防治的經費可能也有所不足現在過去大家常常講說我們是不是應該多挹注在罕見疾病的這個醫療上面那麼因此像這個部分的話是不是衛福部應該要去檢討有關於菸菌挹注的\n這個可以來檢討 項目可以來檢討不過我跟委員報告一下我們對罕病的照顧我們是增加今年增加了20 原來的健保總部變之下我增加了20億的公共預算來照顧罕病所以我們對罕病也是很重視那至於這裡面的一個項目我們都可以大家來研議\n是也就是說是在整個菸捐的分配的部分如果說能夠將多一點的這個疫苗去這個菸捐的錢去捐助去益助罕病治療的話會更好但另外本行有發現在你們的這個菸捐的使用上面這也是依照你們自己的成果報告裡面所講的竟然還菸捐去支付國外的出國費用\n像是林晉營次長陪同賴總統去繁榮南島智慧永續專案陪同賴總統去出訪太平洋友邦然後前衛福部的部長薛瑞元也是去巴拉圭參加這些會議那這些出國參加會議的經費適合用煙捐嗎\n那事實上是不應該用煙磚的有依規定編列就可以使用你們這個部分本來應該是編列你們在公務的出國預算裡面可是你們現在把煙磚拿來做這種什麼陪手桶出國這個我本身認為說這樣子的方式是不對的是不正確的其實醫療專業的官員其實是做了很多的醫療上的交流啦\n我今天提出這個問題,我希望衛福部能夠去檢討,而且要好好的善用煙捐而不是把煙捐拿去貼補你們衛福部的高官出國的差旅費好不好好,謝謝我們會檢討,而且這個都是用在醫藥的交流啦跟委員報告謝謝委員的諮詢,現在會請張祺凱委員諮詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.056 --> 00:03.319\n麻煩請邱部長邱部長邱部長\n\n00:11.524 --> 00:24.492\n市區部長好我想就是從我們2009年調整菸品健康福利捐之後呢其實到現在已經有16年都沒有再調整健康福利捐那麼針對這個要不要調整的問題其實現社會上也有一些意見就是說為什麼這麼多年來這麼多年了都沒有再調整我們現在的健康福利捐是每包20元也就是說這20元的價格已經是16年沒調\n\n00:40.642 --> 01:03.826\n請問一下衛福部有沒有考慮要調整報告委員我想這個是有一個要不要調整這是一個審議會那會兩年再開一次會會做一個建議所以你們這兩年開一次會所以代表你們有八次的審議委員會都認為不需要再調整是嗎是不是我請國界署吳司長跟委員報告一下\n\n01:04.858 --> 01:19.709\n好麻煩很快謝謝委員我們兩年請這個專家評估一次那召開審議委員會以後提出建議那由這個衛福部跨部會跟財政部等相關單位要再召開委員會來決定要不要調整\n\n01:19.909 --> 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