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00:02:58,078\n沒有我們現在就是會跟各界嘛跟各界來廣泛再來智商那我想這個裡面確實還有很多一些不同的意見那我想也要有必要跟大家來做最廣泛的一個智商我想這個委員我知道非常關心那我想大家也都非常非常希望能夠這個法能夠修得更好與時俱進所以我們現在目前這個部分沒有我要提醒你們啦我們身心障礙團體要的是自立生活合理調整\n\n9\n00:02:59,119 --> 00:03:17,894\n那通用設計這個聲音障礙團體從2017年的CRPD第一次在國際審查就講到現在了這些不是今年才有的需求為什麼還要那麼久呢我們去年衛福部的八月的版本這三件核心訴求我看也沒有寫得非常清楚\n\n10\n00:03:18,925 --> 00:03:34,577\n那現在行政院現在說要大修我們是真的在修還是準備在拖延報告委員我們是真的在修我們現在目前裡面我想報告委員我們為了這個修法在從去年開始所以協調還沒結束就對了你們現在協調還沒結束\n\n11\n00:03:38,280 --> 00:04:07,604\n我們現在目前還要跟那個還要跟各界還要做那個廣泛的一個的一個諮商已經已經在已經在是卡在行政院還是就是做協調的部分我們現在目前都在跟跟社會各界說尋求最大可能的共識我想這個也是我想我知道委員對於這個部分非常關心那我們希望能夠修得更好因為這裡面確實像剛剛委員剛剛說的有關合理調整還有像有關反歧視還有像有關於這一個對啦你大修啊不是\n\n12\n00:04:07,964 --> 00:04:24,691\n要趕快不是不送案的理由如果行政院真的要大新我覺得他應該按照行政程序應該是提出修正意見表還有會診會議記錄回送主管機關修正嘛對不對是我們現在目前也確實就是有相關的程序都在進行當中\n\n13\n00:04:25,931 --> 00:04:51,317\n這十個月因為我感覺是空窗期讓人家覺得你們沒在動也沒有在送新的版本我們在行政院那邊有那個聲音障礙者權益保障法然後委員會然後其實也有各式各樣的一個公聽會還有我們其實我們也舉辦了很多很多的公民共識會議來跟各聲音障礙團體我也親自去那邊出席來廣泛爭取各方的意見然後其實自立生活人類協會他也來部裡面拜訪我兩次\n\n14\n00:04:56,319 --> 00:05:17,515\n今天審查的身心障礙權益保障法裡面有34個委員提案那其中大概我們就第53條我們跟幾位立委提案的不愛做乘坐對象的文字修正不愛做或改成優先席那我們衛福部當時是表示支持的對不對那其他的都要別的部門的意見\n\n15\n00:05:18,315 --> 00:05:36,123\n身心障礙者的權益不只是座位的問題啦社會主管機關我覺得你們不能應該都要別人來回答你們的角色是負責整合啦是負責整合不要變成首發單位好不好我想盡快啦好不好查案什麼時候可以開始可以看到這個預告\n\n16\n00:05:40,700 --> 00:06:08,432\n原來的意思是整個法是不是整個法的話已經預告然後也送到行政院再審你們還在協商嘛對不對你協商的結果什麼時候出來這個部分我們當然會會盡快要多久一個月兩個月因為這個不愛做反而這個會比較有共識有共識的可以他不只是不愛做嘛對不對那我現在講的是這個法你什麼時候大概還要多久\n\n17\n00:06:10,526 --> 00:06:17,616\n才可以弄出來?一個月?兩個月?三個月?這個...可能我們會跟行政院盡量來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...\n\n18\n00:06:26,507 --> 00:06:46,602\n我們把過去這段時間的努力寫報告給委員好了那部長我再請教80歲以上請外籍看護免巴士量表的這個部分勞動部洪森案部長說難度相當高要跨部會整合那我想請教部長需要衛福部配合的有哪些\n\n19\n00:06:49,589 --> 00:07:01,592\n非常感謝委員其實跟委員報告我們為了這個事情部長特別指定我跟勞動部的一位次長我們三位次長我們到目前為止已經開了四次會議\n\n20\n00:07:09,734 --> 00:07:32,766\n我現在就講說他要你們配合的要修正的朋友主要大概就是說我們有關於有關於這一個巴士樑表他如果到時候他如果免評那可是這裡面可能還是有一些相關的一些部分我們會委託各地方政府他有一個整個照管中心照管中心來這邊來做這個協助他項目開了很多嘛他配合的有哪些他要你們配合的\n\n21\n00:07:33,366 --> 00:07:57,492\n我們這邊主要大概就是那你完成了多少好了包委我們現在目前最主要就是說資訊系統的一個借接然後到時候就是說有的案件有案件進來的話我也這邊要非常感謝勞動部這邊他們這邊在人力的部分給我們我現在就是就責任就是說他現在你的部分我要問你說我們衛福部現在自己已經跟他該你們處理的你們完成了多少\n\n22\n00:07:58,656 --> 00:08:13,005\n我們現在目前就是已經根據這一個雙次長會議我們現在目前來督導然後勞動部就是有關於發展署這邊還有我們這邊因為7月底就要實施了所以我要問的是如果你們完成了所以衛福部就會在這個未來如果出問題當然責任就是在勞動部\n\n23\n00:08:20,370 --> 00:08:35,085\n對不對你們到時候不要互踢皮球我希望你們把你們自己該做的事情趕快完成當然當然把這個責任釐清不要說到時候是你們在你們在背這個黑鍋不會我們兩部都是大家都同一合作我想大家都一體都希望大家趕快合作因為時間也不多是沒錯\n\n24\n00:08:37,327 --> 00:08:59,133\n那另外最後一個我在請教部長這個2024年全台有大概4,062人自殺死亡那自殺重登十大死因的榜單那根據WHO跟台灣醫學研究資料每完成一次自殺背後平均大概有10到20次的自殺未遂所以也就是說這個\n\n25\n00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:17,443\n去推算去年台灣大概有6萬到8萬人次去做這個自殺的這個動作那這幾年都是慢慢的在增加那這麼龐大的潛在的高風險族群我們政府目前用什麼樣的方式追蹤或是輔導\n\n26\n00:09:19,586 --> 00:09:47,257\n我想早期發這個我剛剛有報告過這個自殺的方式必須要多元化那自殺之前基本上很有憂鬱的人都很多啦所以我們我們有沒有實時介入有沒有去關心我們推動的自殺防治計畫裡面這些都有在做那這幾個學會也很努力在進行那為什麼那今年是因為過去把COVID原來在裡面跳出實名以後\n\n27\n00:09:48,017 --> 00:09:53,243\n變成第11名的自殺我們現在不講排名但是他這個數字是確實存在的那為什麼我們的數字沒辦法往下降這才是重點不是他排名第幾名的問題\n\n28\n00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:24,310\n對我想這個是整個不管是醫學界社會界的一個共同要努力的問題部長你接下來你認為面對這樣的數字一直攀高那你的態度是什麼我覺得這個要結合各部會各相關部會不管是從學校職場還有社會對這個相關\n\n29\n00:10:30,393 --> 00:10:51,474\n憂鬱症方面的看待等等的整體來改善當然這是整體還有就是說早期的detect早期的真訪也很重要我們過去在10年前為什麼要退出其實我們在我們訓練很多自殺的守門員在譬如說在那個7-11只要有一個人進來現在也不是烤肉的季節\n\n30\n00:10:52,515 --> 00:11:20,223\n那個為什麼來買碳這個對啦這個我跟你講部長當然會去自殺它當然有很多很多的原因那當然我們能夠把這個球接住當然是就能拯救一個家庭啦我們一定要接住每一個球所以我的意思是說政府之前做的這些東西顯然是不夠的顯然是不夠的或者是沒有落實那如果沒有落實我們怎麼樣讓它落實改進那麼如果做得不足\n\n31\n00:11:20,703 --> 00:11:22,835\n我們是不是要提出新的辦法來解決這個問題是的\n\n32\n00:11:25,110 --> 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職場還有社會對這個相關\n630393\t651474\t憂鬱症方面的看待等等的整體來改善當然這是整體還有就是說早期的detect早期的真訪也很重要我們過去在10年前為什麼要退出其實我們在我們訓練很多自殺的守門員在譬如說在那個7-11只要有一個人進來現在也不是烤肉的季節\n652515\t680223\t那個為什麼來買碳 這個對啦 這個我跟你講部長 當然會去自殺它當然有很多很多的原因那當然我們能夠把這個球接住當然是就能拯救一個家庭啦我們一定要接住每一個球所以我的意思是說政府之前做的這些東西顯然是不夠的顯然是不夠的或者是沒有落實那如果沒有落實我們怎麼樣讓它落實改進那麼如果做得不足\n680703\t682835\t我們是不是要提出新的辦法來解決這個問題是的\n685110\t709714\t這個如果是舊問題我們要提出更好的辦法新的問題我們要提出具體的一個辦法來解決前端的防禦跟新的心理衛生的輔導介入我覺得非常有必要啦當然我希望這個部裡面能夠認真看待這個事情非常非常認真然後呢盡快的把這個新的措施把它擬定這樣好不好好的沒問題謝謝部長 謝謝\n714059\t717115\t好,謝謝邱委員、謝謝部長文匯政經報告\n","txt":"主席好 我們一樣請邱部長來 請部長委員好 部長好部長我請教一下我們衛福部2024年8月7日就已經預告身心障礙權益保障法部分條文修正草案這個部分了那現在召委排審怎麼沒有看到你們的版本呢\n是卡在行政院嗎?有,在行政院審議已經這麼久了怎麼到現在沒有消息?行政院是在搞罷免沒有控審還是怎麼樣?沒有,因為我想這個法案我剛剛有跟邱委員報告,其實我在一兩年前\n在當召委的時候也是一樣這樣的陣仗,有我們也請了我的身心障礙團體的代表,所以老師這樣子我現在就熱切的討論,還是很難達成一些共識什麼原因?可能有一些爭議的點需要再釐清,這樣才能夠對法案的所以現在是行政院在審還是你們在弄?主管機關是誰?不是你們嗎?\n我們主管機關都是要形成懲定啊他有沒有叫你們再修有啊 已經來回了開過幾次會\n這個請理事長包委員那個其實這個部分我想是因為修了十個月了你們來回幾次開了幾次其實這個因為那個知識體大啦因為也那個也是幾年都沒修嘛我們這個應該要用最嚴謹的標準來進行你去年公告會籍嘛然後到現在這個這麼久了你現在叫公民參與現在重修你現在公開了沒有你重修有公開嗎\n程序我說你重修啊你在修這個部分你有公開嗎我們那個在送行政費錢我們都有那個那個現在不是退回來嗎現在不是還要再審議還要再協調嗎現在內容有提出來嗎\n有啊 我們當然提給行政院那邊那現在目前就是說也廣泛在各界像委員今天有很多委員也提到像這個第五十條啦這一個生活有關於個人助理啦還有這一個是你們在寫嗎 有退回來你們寫嗎\n沒有 我們現在就是會跟各界嘛跟各界來廣泛再來智商那我想這個裡面確實還有很多一些不同的意見那我想也要有必要跟大家來做最廣泛的一個智商我想這個委員我知道非常關心那我想大家也都非常非常希望能夠這個法能夠修得更好與時俱進所以我們現在目前這個部分沒有 我要提醒你們啦我們身心障礙團體要的是自立生活合理調整\n那通用設計這個聲音障礙團體從2017年的CRPD第一次在國際審查就講到現在了這些不是今年才有的需求為什麼還要那麼久呢我們去年衛福部的八月的版本這三件核心訴求我看也沒有寫得非常清楚\n那現在行政院現在說要大修我們是真的在修還是準備在拖延報告委員我們是真的在修我們現在目前裡面我想報告委員我們為了這個修法在從去年開始所以協調還沒結束就對了你們現在協調還沒結束\n我們現在目前還要跟那個還要跟各界還要做那個廣泛的一個的一個諮商已經已經在已經在是卡在行政院還是就是做協調的部分我們現在目前都在跟跟社會各界說尋求最大可能的共識我想這個也是我想我知道委員對於這個部分非常關心那我們希望能夠修得更好因為這裡面確實像剛剛委員剛剛說的有關合理調整還有像有關反歧視還有像有關於這一個對啦你大修啊不是\n要趕快不是不送案的理由如果行政院真的要大新我覺得他應該按照行政程序應該是提出修正意見表還有會診會議記錄回送主管機關修正嘛對不對是我們現在目前也確實就是有相關的程序都在進行當中\n這十個月因為我感覺是空窗期讓人家覺得你們沒在動也沒有在送新的版本我們在行政院那邊有那個聲音障礙者權益保障法然後委員會然後其實也有各式各樣的一個公聽會還有我們其實我們也舉辦了很多很多的公民共識會議來跟各聲音障礙團體我也親自去那邊出席來廣泛爭取各方的意見然後其實自立生活人類協會他也來部裡面拜訪我兩次\n今天審查的身心障礙權益保障法裡面有34個委員提案那其中大概我們就第53條我們跟幾位立委提案的不愛做乘坐對象的文字修正不愛做或改成優先席那我們衛福部當時是表示支持的對不對那其他的都要別的部門的意見\n身心障礙者的權益不只是座位的問題啦社會主管機關我覺得你們不能應該都要別人來回答你們的角色是負責整合啦是負責整合不要變成首發單位好不好我想盡快啦好不好 查案什麼時候可以開始可以看到這個預告\n原來的意思是整個法是不是整個法的話已經預告然後也送到行政院再審你們還在協商嘛對不對你協商的結果什麼時候出來這個部分我們當然會會盡快要多久一個月兩個月因為這個不愛做反而這個會比較有共識有共識的可以他不只是不愛做嘛對不對那我現在講的是這個法你什麼時候大概還要多久\n才可以弄出來?一個月?兩個月?三個月?這個...可能我們會跟行政院盡量來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...\n我們把過去這段時間的努力寫報告給委員好了那部長我再請教80歲以上請外籍看護免巴士量表的這個部分勞動部洪森案部長說難度相當高要跨部會整合那我想請教部長需要衛福部配合的有哪些\n非常感謝委員 其實跟委員報告我們為了這個事情 部長特別指定我跟勞動部的一位次長我們三位次長 我們到目前為止已經開了四次會議\n我現在就講說他要你們配合的 要修正的朋友 主要大概就是說我們有關於有關於這一個巴士樑表他如果到時候他如果免評那可是這裡面可能還是有一些相關的一些部分我們會委託各地方政府他有一個整個照管中心照管中心來這邊來做這個協助他項目開了很多嘛 他配合的有哪些 他要你們配合的\n我們這邊主要大概就是 那你完成了多少好了包委我們現在目前最主要就是說資訊系統的一個借接然後到時候就是說有的案件有案件進來的話我也這邊要非常感謝勞動部這邊他們這邊在人力的部分給我們我現在就是就責任就是說他現在你的部分我要問你說我們衛福部現在自己已經跟他該你們處理的你們完成了多少\n我們現在目前就是已經根據這一個雙次長會議我們現在目前來督導然後勞動部就是有關於發展署這邊還有我們這邊因為7月底就要實施了所以我要問的是如果你們完成了所以衛福部就會在這個未來如果出問題當然責任就是在勞動部\n對不對你們到時候不要互踢皮球我希望你們把你們自己該做的事情趕快完成當然當然把這個責任釐清不要說到時候是你們在你們在背這個黑鍋不會我們兩部都是大家都同一合作我想大家都一體都希望大家趕快合作因為時間也不多是沒錯\n那另外最後一個我在請教部長這個2024年全台有大概4,062人自殺死亡那自殺重登十大死因的榜單那根據WHO跟台灣醫學研究資料每完成一次自殺背後平均大概有10到20次的自殺未遂所以也就是說這個\n去推算去年台灣大概有6萬到8萬人次去做這個自殺的這個動作那這幾年都是慢慢的在增加那這麼龐大的潛在的高風險族群我們政府目前用什麼樣的方式追蹤或是輔導\n我想早期發這個我剛剛有報告過這個自殺的方式必須要多元化那自殺之前基本上很有憂鬱的人都很多啦所以我們我們有沒有實時介入有沒有去關心我們推動的自殺防治計畫裡面這些都有在做那這幾個學會也很努力在進行那為什麼那今年是因為過去把COVID原來在裡面跳出實名以後\n變成第11名的自殺我們現在不講排名但是他這個數字是確實存在的那為什麼我們的數字沒辦法往下降這才是重點不是他排名第幾名的問題\n對 我想這個是整個不管是醫學界社會界的一個共同要努力的問題部長你接下來你認為面對這樣的數字一直攀高那你的態度是什麼我覺得這個要結合各部會各相關部會不管是從學校 職場還有社會對這個相關\n憂鬱症方面的看待等等的整體來改善當然這是整體還有就是說早期的detect早期的真訪也很重要我們過去在10年前為什麼要退出其實我們在我們訓練很多自殺的守門員在譬如說在那個7-11只要有一個人進來現在也不是烤肉的季節\n那個為什麼來買碳 這個對啦 這個我跟你講部長 當然會去自殺它當然有很多很多的原因那當然我們能夠把這個球接住當然是就能拯救一個家庭啦我們一定要接住每一個球所以我的意思是說政府之前做的這些東西顯然是不夠的顯然是不夠的或者是沒有落實那如果沒有落實我們怎麼樣讓它落實改進那麼如果做得不足\n我們是不是要提出新的辦法來解決這個問題是的\n這個如果是舊問題我們要提出更好的辦法新的問題我們要提出具體的一個辦法來解決前端的防禦跟新的心理衛生的輔導介入我覺得非常有必要啦當然我希望這個部裡面能夠認真看待這個事情非常非常認真然後呢盡快的把這個新的措施把它擬定這樣好不好好的沒問題謝謝部長 謝謝\n好,謝謝邱委員、謝謝部長文匯政經報告\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.165 --> 00:29.079\n主席好我們一樣請邱部長來請部長委員好部長好部長我請教一下我們衛福部2024年8月7日就已經預告身心障礙權益保障法部分條文修正草案這個部分了那現在召委排審怎麼沒有看到你們的版本呢\n\n00:33.300 --> 00:52.638\n是卡在行政院嗎?有,在行政院審議已經這麼久了怎麼到現在沒有消息?行政院是在搞罷免沒有控審還是怎麼樣?沒有,因為我想這個法案我剛剛有跟邱委員報告,其實我在一兩年前\n\n00:53.786 --> 01:17.065\n在當召委的時候也是一樣這樣的陣仗,有我們也請了我的身心障礙團體的代表,所以老師這樣子我現在就熱切的討論,還是很難達成一些共識什麼原因?可能有一些爭議的點需要再釐清,這樣才能夠對法案的所以現在是行政院在審還是你們在弄?主管機關是誰?不是你們嗎?\n\n01:18.406 --> 01:26.113\n我們主管機關都是要形成懲定啊他有沒有叫你們再修有啊已經來回了開過幾次會\n\n01:30.115 --> 01:56.316\n這個請理事長包委員那個其實這個部分我想是因為修了十個月了你們來回幾次開了幾次其實這個因為那個知識體大啦因為也那個也是幾年都沒修嘛我們這個應該要用最嚴謹的標準來進行你去年公告會籍嘛然後到現在這個這麼久了你現在叫公民參與現在重修你現在公開了沒有你重修有公開嗎\n\n01:57.645 --> 02:06.957\n程序我說你重修啊你在修這個部分你有公開嗎我們那個在送行政費錢我們都有那個那個現在不是退回來嗎現在不是還要再審議還要再協調嗎現在內容有提出來嗎\n\n02:11.036 --> 02:29.648\n有啊我們當然提給行政院那邊那現在目前就是說也廣泛在各界像委員今天有很多委員也提到像這個第五十條啦這一個生活有關於個人助理啦還有這一個是你們在寫嗎有退回來你們寫嗎\n\n02:32.498 --> 02:58.078\n沒有我們現在就是會跟各界嘛跟各界來廣泛再來智商那我想這個裡面確實還有很多一些不同的意見那我想也要有必要跟大家來做最廣泛的一個智商我想這個委員我知道非常關心那我想大家也都非常非常希望能夠這個法能夠修得更好與時俱進所以我們現在目前這個部分沒有我要提醒你們啦我們身心障礙團體要的是自立生活合理調整\n\n02:59.119 --> 03:17.894\n那通用設計這個聲音障礙團體從2017年的CRPD第一次在國際審查就講到現在了這些不是今年才有的需求為什麼還要那麼久呢我們去年衛福部的八月的版本這三件核心訴求我看也沒有寫得非常清楚\n\n03:18.925 --> 03:34.577\n那現在行政院現在說要大修我們是真的在修還是準備在拖延報告委員我們是真的在修我們現在目前裡面我想報告委員我們為了這個修法在從去年開始所以協調還沒結束就對了你們現在協調還沒結束\n\n03:38.280 --> 04:07.604\n我們現在目前還要跟那個還要跟各界還要做那個廣泛的一個的一個諮商已經已經在已經在是卡在行政院還是就是做協調的部分我們現在目前都在跟跟社會各界說尋求最大可能的共識我想這個也是我想我知道委員對於這個部分非常關心那我們希望能夠修得更好因為這裡面確實像剛剛委員剛剛說的有關合理調整還有像有關反歧視還有像有關於這一個對啦你大修啊不是\n\n04:07.964 --> 04:24.691\n要趕快不是不送案的理由如果行政院真的要大新我覺得他應該按照行政程序應該是提出修正意見表還有會診會議記錄回送主管機關修正嘛對不對是我們現在目前也確實就是有相關的程序都在進行當中\n\n04:25.931 --> 04:51.317\n這十個月因為我感覺是空窗期讓人家覺得你們沒在動也沒有在送新的版本我們在行政院那邊有那個聲音障礙者權益保障法然後委員會然後其實也有各式各樣的一個公聽會還有我們其實我們也舉辦了很多很多的公民共識會議來跟各聲音障礙團體我也親自去那邊出席來廣泛爭取各方的意見然後其實自立生活人類協會他也來部裡面拜訪我兩次\n\n04:56.319 --> 05:17.515\n今天審查的身心障礙權益保障法裡面有34個委員提案那其中大概我們就第53條我們跟幾位立委提案的不愛做乘坐對象的文字修正不愛做或改成優先席那我們衛福部當時是表示支持的對不對那其他的都要別的部門的意見\n\n05:18.315 --> 05:36.123\n身心障礙者的權益不只是座位的問題啦社會主管機關我覺得你們不能應該都要別人來回答你們的角色是負責整合啦是負責整合不要變成首發單位好不好我想盡快啦好不好查案什麼時候可以開始可以看到這個預告\n\n05:40.700 --> 06:08.432\n原來的意思是整個法是不是整個法的話已經預告然後也送到行政院再審你們還在協商嘛對不對你協商的結果什麼時候出來這個部分我們當然會會盡快要多久一個月兩個月因為這個不愛做反而這個會比較有共識有共識的可以他不只是不愛做嘛對不對那我現在講的是這個法你什麼時候大概還要多久\n\n06:10.526 --> 06:17.616\n才可以弄出來?一個月?兩個月?三個月?這個...可能我們會跟行政院盡量來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...來...\n\n06:26.507 --> 06:46.602\n我們把過去這段時間的努力寫報告給委員好了那部長我再請教80歲以上請外籍看護免巴士量表的這個部分勞動部洪森案部長說難度相當高要跨部會整合那我想請教部長需要衛福部配合的有哪些\n\n06:49.589 --> 07:01.592\n非常感謝委員其實跟委員報告我們為了這個事情部長特別指定我跟勞動部的一位次長我們三位次長我們到目前為止已經開了四次會議\n\n07:09.734 --> 07:32.766\n我現在就講說他要你們配合的要修正的朋友主要大概就是說我們有關於有關於這一個巴士樑表他如果到時候他如果免評那可是這裡面可能還是有一些相關的一些部分我們會委託各地方政府他有一個整個照管中心照管中心來這邊來做這個協助他項目開了很多嘛他配合的有哪些他要你們配合的\n\n07:33.366 --> 07:57.492\n我們這邊主要大概就是那你完成了多少好了包委我們現在目前最主要就是說資訊系統的一個借接然後到時候就是說有的案件有案件進來的話我也這邊要非常感謝勞動部這邊他們這邊在人力的部分給我們我現在就是就責任就是說他現在你的部分我要問你說我們衛福部現在自己已經跟他該你們處理的你們完成了多少\n\n07:58.656 --> 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