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00:02:11,386\n那鄉親們也相信我們的承諾那也希望盡快給他們能夠搬遷到更適合的地點好不好好那就照這樣的目標好謝謝部長謝謝那我問一下林次長好不好交通部林次長林次長好部長請回座謝謝\n\n8\n00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:32,094\n市長先請教今天其實很多的關心到這個問題我先請教一下電動公車這前一陣子才剛發生的台北市的電動公車起火那運安會認為這是一個重大事故令到調查目前調查的結果是怎樣\n\n9\n00:02:34,284 --> 00:02:56,613\n報告委員還在調查中還沒有具體的那在還沒有調查中的時候會不會影響到其他的電動公車的整體的運作報告部長報告委員我們當天應該市政府已經把該路線20條同行車都停止運作然後做全面檢查那另外市府裡面有800多輛也全面一併檢查目前好像有一輛有狀況的樣子\n\n10\n00:02:58,354 --> 00:03:13,819\n那所以其他還是繼續全國的都要檢查那其他的還是繼續在行駛當中其他不是這一行車的繼續運作但是因為有這樣的事件所以應該各家公司都會注意到它的這個電池系統有沒有異常\n\n11\n00:03:14,179 --> 00:03:38,419\n所以這一家業者的狀況因為我看了一下這一家製造商五年內有發生三次自燃的事件那顯然所以這一家的廠商的會特別去比較高度的去因為畢竟如果又再次發生的話這個坦白講這也蠻危險的有這樣的狀況就要釐清它到底是因為製造的問題還是維護保養的問題預定什麼時候這個調查報告會出來\n\n12\n00:03:42,285 --> 00:04:04,955\n包委員他還沒公佈時間運安會還沒有公佈運安會沒有公佈那預定多久次長你認為像這樣的要多久要查出他的事實狀況可能因為差異蠻大的因為你像航空他通常要一年那海運軌道就不一定那公路的話他目前還沒有沒有一個很\n\n13\n00:04:05,731 --> 00:04:31,713\n不過這個也要加快啦因為如果你沒有辦法這個查明它的真相為什麼自然的真相的話大家都會擔憂嘛我們基本上就是同步啦一方面調查原因因為每個個案有它的形成原因那第二個其他同行車跟電動車要注意的是電池的管理跟維護保養充電的過程我知道但是如果連調查這樣的事故要很長的時間的話這個\n\n14\n00:04:33,915 --> 00:04:42,212\n市長這個交通部算是整個您也算是第三把交椅了那這個是一個很重要的\n\n15\n00:04:43,743 --> 00:05:08,052\n這應該給一個時間出來吧我們跟院安會來詢問一下市長多久能夠出來抱歉我沒有辦法替院安會回應盡快啦好不好我覺得這件事情不能拖延這會影響到人民的安全跟信心如果只是單一的廠商的單一的某個零件上出了問題那我們找到我們當然可以盡快做處理如果不是這件鱷魚花那恐怕會造成大家更大的擔憂這個我覺得盡快\n\n16\n00:05:09,733 --> 00:05:30,159\n那現在搭這些電動公車的人的話如果我們還沒罵查明的話那其實是是有風險的是有風險的所以我覺得還是要盡快來查明現有的幾個江山部有補助的大概五家有六款車型包括幾個國內的一些業者那當然剛才提到我希望\n\n17\n00:05:30,979 --> 00:05:55,085\n儘快去查明啦如果是單一業者本身他的設備有些問題那當然這一個業者部分要求要去改善那同時以人命安全為最優先就要去暫時先去停止暫時要改善完畢才能夠使用啦那如果其他的也都有類似的問題的話那恐怕要整體做一些處理沒錯確實如此我相信這幾家廠商看到這案例應該也會回頭看他們的系統有沒有相類似的問題\n\n18\n00:05:55,945 --> 00:06:05,142\n那第二個呢在營運過程中發生的事件跟電池管理的問題可能都要回饋到設計跟製造商去調整\n\n19\n00:06:06,662 --> 00:06:33,002\n對交通政策這個人命是最關鍵的如果你連公車上如果沒辦法給大家確保安全的話那這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦更何況公車裡面很多可能都是相對都是一些比較老人小孩甚至弱勢者去使用的機率更高那更風險更是高所以我這一塊是請次長要加速要求今天我沒有逼你一定時間出來但是一定要快啦好不好\n\n20\n00:06:33,562 --> 00:06:54,035\n人命的安全優先如果再發生這樣的狀況甚至造成人命的傷亡的話這恐怕是大家都承擔不起的那我接下來想要問的是那到底我們現在所要挑戰的這些的電動巴士的我們做好的準備現在目前預定在2030年要完成全面的電動化這個看起來是沒辦法順利完成了嗎\n\n21\n00:06:54,695 --> 00:07:17,190\n包委員我們希望它後面越來越快啦那去年2024我們有達標今年需要再努力那照這樣的目標還是沒有改變嗎就是2030年完成目標還是一樣我們希望一萬一千台左右要全面電動我個人其實是支持這樣政策的因為就電動的話一方面我們當然希望對於這個運具能夠透過運具的減少\n\n22\n00:07:20,752 --> 00:07:35,127\n減少空污的影響同時間也能夠這個我是支持特別是在空污嚴重的地方像我的選區高雄我就非常支持應該要加速推動我都希望當我們的這個製造業必須要因為生產而可能要產生一些\n\n23\n00:07:35,888 --> 00:08:00,967\n碳排甚至產生一些污染的同時的時候那至少在我們的大眾運輸在我們的運具上多盡量減少用碳排的如果能夠公車也用電動公車機車也用電動機車汽車也用我認為都是歡迎因為它只要稍微降一點點這個量的話都有機會讓我們的空污改善也許那個安全值就在那個接近的謝偉這也是為什麼我們報院也同意的為了大概用640億左右\n\n24\n00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:21,516\n所以後續上還是希望還是希望次長跟部裡面加速推動啦特別是在這些的本身製造業工業城市空污嚴重地區要加速來推動因為往往它每降一些移動污染源降一些其實對於整個空氣的整體的品質就也許就是那關鍵點\n\n25\n00:08:22,456 --> 00:08:40,729\n紅害變成這個菊井就好很多菊井變成黃色就好很多我認為那個都好很多但是如果在本身空汙相對良好的空氣相對良好的地方的話這個當然是很好的指標但是那個效益性就更不一樣了好不好這個還是希望我們會跟高雄市政府積極來合作\n\n26\n00:08:43,058 --> 00:09:11,856\n所以照這樣來看的話這會全面來推動整個順利在還是要趕2030年完成這樣的目標這個目標不變那因為實際到了我最後也提一個其實像韓國的首尾已經把他的無人巴士也已經納入到營運了除了智慧化電動化以外另外無人的部分我也希望包括我們的經濟部包括我們的交通部包括國發會無人載具大概都是現在未來的一個趨勢包括智慧化的這些的那\n\n27\n00:09:12,376 --> 00:09:31,241\n我還是希望像過去以來曾經旗津交通部下也有觀光署旗津過去我們講過很多的無人載具無碳島的想法我也希望未來旗津很簡單就是一個長條狀的所以它在海岸邊很有機會順利的能夠推動比如說我們用一個無人車的一個試辦的一個計畫\n\n28\n00:09:33,542 --> 00:09:52,930\n那很漂亮啦你坐了渡輪到那邊之後你可以坐上那個無人車也許從旗津走到中州再回到這邊那也有看到一面過去就是非常漂亮的海景就有點像瀨戶連海這樣子或者像其他的所有的一些港灣港口城市一樣它非常漂亮的一些港景同時間又能夠滴炭\n\n29\n00:09:54,791 --> 00:10:18,725\n同時又能夠用智慧化而且它又不會跟人行或者跟車輛有所交錯我希望這個包括交通部包括國發會這個整體思考一下來齊心來推動這樣的計畫好不好請市長各位評論看看是謝謝委員那個基本上我們電動車的計畫有很大的一個目標也是希望帶動智慧化跟自駕車的\n\n30\n00:10:19,966 --> 00:10:35,178\n的發展所以這個部分我們希望在未來六七年能夠逐漸的智慧化跟自動化來前進第二個您提到其實這個地方我們跟市政府再來研究看看因為事辦計劃一般要由地方或是主辦方來提\n\n31\n00:10:35,658 --> 00:10:51,767\n那個部長一個月先給我一份說明好不好你們跟市府溝通的結果我希望來試辦因為這個地點它其實你看到這個非常漂亮長條狀的而且它不會跟車輛跟其他交錯道那如果我們辦法把這個無人車跟整個\n\n32\n00:10:54,228 --> 00:11:13,594\n電動車的整個結合那在這邊做一些示範計畫的話效果也非常的好啦那同時間也可以減少人力我們現在找司機越來越困難了嘛那如果幫他來示範而且迄今每年觀光人口就有六七百萬這幾年各地啦包括韓國也很喜歡來到這個地方其他國家喜歡來這邊那我們機會展現出這樣的話會達到很好的效果\n\n33\n00:11:14,675 --> 00:11:27,404\n這目標不錯不管車的發展我們得跟經濟部跟業者討論看看有沒有業者想要在這邊示範請次長再努力跟交通部經濟部國防再努力看看一個月的先給我一份報告好不好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n490\t2496\t我先請一下郭部長然後再請林次長\n11944\t33254\t我先請教一個問題其實大立埔遷村這個也謝謝部長也很積極在做推動那但是當地的鄉親們也很關心因為從2018年到現在其實也拖了這個相當長的時間七年了那我只想問一下現在目前的初步規劃是2027年實施啟動遷村是這樣的方向嗎\n35802\t52003\t因為我上個禮拜也有去跟陳市長來討論這個問題上個禮拜我有去那我們是盡量能夠越快越好所以啟動千春到底是怎麼樣因為我們先讓有意願的\n53365\t70546\t所以當時有講到年底今年我們就先讓他有意願的先來登記今年年底前會啟動登記嘛對不對今年年底啟動登記然後那如果照這樣的目標因為全部都在走了那如果照這樣的目標2027年來啟動實質遷村我們要越快越好\n71267\t87670\t希望再更提前啦齁但是我還是希望這個時間啦齁那今年年底來登記這樣的完成然後另外2027 但更早更好啦齁因為我相信等很久了啦齁包括他們也一直在到底房屋要不要修繕阿這也要跟市政府去旁邊啦齁這兩邊來合作這樣啦阿我是有拜託市長 要完全支持啦\n95692\t118680\t對 因為部長是主辦單位啦你主要是你經濟部是主辦的單位啦但市府是受你委託的單位所以可能主辦單位的這個再多催 多加把勁啦好不好讓整件事情快一點因為鄉親真的等很久了而且坦白講這也是當時從蔡總統到賴總統到陳市長到歷任的部長我們的共同承諾啦\n119420\t131386\t那鄉親們也相信我們的承諾 那也希望盡快給他們能夠搬遷到更適合的地點 好不好好 那就照這樣的目標 好 謝謝部長 謝謝那我問一下林次長好不好 交通部林次長林次長好 部長請回座 謝謝\n137200\t152094\t市長先請教今天其實很多的關心到這個問題我先請教一下電動公車這前一陣子才剛發生的台北市的電動公車起火那運安會認為這是一個重大事故令到調查目前調查的結果是怎樣\n154284\t176613\t報告委員還在調查中還沒有具體的那在還沒有調查中的時候會不會影響到其他的電動公車的整體的運作報告部長報告委員我們當天應該市政府已經把該路線20條同行車都停止運作然後做全面檢查那另外市府裡面有800多輛也全面一併檢查目前好像有一輛有狀況的樣子\n178354\t193819\t那所以其他還是繼續全國的都要檢查那其他的還是繼續在行駛當中其他不是這一行車的繼續運作但是因為有這樣的事件所以應該各家公司都會注意到它的這個電池系統有沒有異常\n194179\t218419\t所以這一家業者的狀況因為我看了一下這一家製造商五年內有發生三次自燃的事件那顯然所以這一家的廠商的會特別去比較高度的去因為畢竟如果又再次發生的話這個坦白講這也蠻危險的有這樣的狀況就要釐清它到底是因為製造的問題還是維護保養的問題預定什麼時候這個調查報告會出來\n222285\t244955\t包委員他還沒公佈時間 運安會還沒有公佈運安會沒有公佈 那預定多久 次長你認為像這樣的要多久要查出他的事實狀況可能因為差異蠻大的 因為你像航空他通常要一年那海運軌道就不一定 那公路的話他目前還沒有沒有一個很\n245731\t271713\t不過這個也要加快啦因為如果你沒有辦法這個查明它的真相為什麼自然的真相的話大家都會擔憂嘛我們基本上就是同步啦一方面調查原因因為每個個案有它的形成原因那第二個其他同行車跟電動車要注意的是電池的管理跟維護保養充電的過程我知道但是如果連調查這樣的事故要很長的時間的話這個\n273915\t282212\t市長這個交通部算是整個您也算是第三把交椅了那這個是一個很重要的\n283743\t308052\t這應該給一個時間出來吧我們跟院安會來詢問一下市長多久能夠出來抱歉我沒有辦法替院安會回應盡快啦好不好我覺得這件事情不能拖延這會影響到人民的安全跟信心如果只是單一的廠商的單一的某個零件上出了問題那我們找到我們當然可以盡快做處理如果不是這件鱷魚花那恐怕會造成大家更大的擔憂這個我覺得盡快\n309733\t330159\t那現在搭這些電動公車的人的話如果我們還沒罵查明的話那其實是是有風險的是有風險的所以我覺得還是要盡快來查明現有的幾個江山部有補助的大概五家有六款車型包括幾個國內的一些業者那當然剛才提到我希望\n330979\t355085\t儘快去查明啦 如果是單一業者本身他的設備有些問題那當然這一個業者部分要求要去改善那同時以人命安全為最優先就要去暫時先去停止暫時要改善完畢才能夠使用啦那如果其他的也都有類似的問題的話那恐怕要整體做一些處理沒錯 確實如此我相信這幾家廠商看到這案例應該也會回頭看他們的系統有沒有相類似的問題\n355945\t365142\t那第二個呢在營運過程中發生的事件跟電池管理的問題可能都要回饋到設計跟製造商去調整\n366662\t393002\t對 交通政策這個人命是最關鍵的如果你連公車上如果沒辦法給大家確保安全的話那這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦更何況公車裡面很多可能都是相對都是一些比較老人小孩甚至弱勢者去使用的機率更高那更風險更是高所以我這一塊是請次長要加速要求今天我沒有逼你一定時間出來但是一定要快啦 好不好\n393562\t414035\t人命的安全優先如果再發生這樣的狀況甚至造成人命的傷亡的話這恐怕是大家都承擔不起的那我接下來想要問的是那到底我們現在所要挑戰的這些的電動巴士的我們做好的準備現在目前預定在2030年要完成全面的電動化這個看起來是沒辦法順利完成了嗎\n414695\t437190\t包委員我們希望它後面越來越快啦那去年2024我們有達標今年需要再努力那照這樣的目標還是沒有改變嗎就是2030年完成目標還是一樣我們希望一萬一千台左右要全面電動我個人其實是支持這樣政策的因為就電動的話一方面我們當然希望對於這個運具能夠透過運具的減少\n440752\t455127\t減少空污的影響 同時間也能夠這個我是支持 特別是在空污嚴重的地方 像我的選區高雄 我就非常支持應該要加速推動我都希望當我們的這個製造業必須要因為生產而可能要產生一些\n455888\t480967\t碳排甚至產生一些污染的同時的時候那至少在我們的大眾運輸在我們的運具上多盡量減少用碳排的如果能夠公車也用電動公車機車也用電動機車汽車也用我認為都是歡迎因為它只要稍微降一點點這個量的話都有機會讓我們的空污改善也許那個安全值就在那個接近的謝偉這也是為什麼我們報院也同意的為了大概用640億左右\n482648\t501516\t所以後續上還是希望還是希望次長跟部裡面加速推動啦特別是在這些的本身製造業工業城市空污嚴重地區要加速來推動因為往往它每降一些移動污染源降一些其實對於整個空氣的整體的品質就也許就是那關鍵點\n502456\t520729\t紅害變成這個菊井就好很多菊井變成黃色就好很多我認為那個都好很多但是如果在本身空汙相對良好的空氣相對良好的地方的話這個當然是很好的指標但是那個效益性就更不一樣了好不好這個還是希望我們會跟高雄市政府積極來合作\n523058\t551856\t所以照這樣來看的話這會全面來推動整個順利在還是要趕2030年完成這樣的目標這個目標不變那因為實際到了我最後也提一個其實像韓國的首尾已經把他的無人巴士也已經納入到營運了除了智慧化電動化以外另外無人的部分我也希望包括我們的經濟部包括我們的交通部包括國發會無人載具大概都是現在未來的一個趨勢包括智慧化的這些的那\n552376\t571241\t我還是希望像過去以來曾經旗津交通部下也有觀光署旗津過去我們講過很多的無人載具無碳島的想法我也希望未來旗津很簡單就是一個長條狀的所以它在海岸邊很有機會順利的能夠推動比如說我們用一個無人車的一個試辦的一個計畫\n573542\t592930\t那很漂亮啦 你坐了渡輪到那邊之後你可以坐上那個無人車也許從旗津走到中州再回到這邊那也有看到一面過去就是非常漂亮的海景就有點像瀨戶連海這樣子 或者像其他的所有的一些港灣港口城市一樣它非常漂亮的一些港景 同時間又能夠滴炭\n594791\t618725\t同時又能夠用智慧化而且它又不會跟人行或者跟車輛有所交錯我希望這個包括交通部包括國發會這個整體思考一下來齊心來推動這樣的計畫好不好請市長各位評論看看是 謝謝委員那個基本上我們電動車的計畫有很大的一個目標也是希望帶動智慧化跟自駕車的\n619966\t635178\t的發展所以這個部分我們希望在未來六七年能夠逐漸的智慧化跟自動化來前進第二個您提到其實這個地方我們跟市政府再來研究看看因為事辦計劃一般要由地方或是主辦方來提\n635658\t651767\t那個部長一個月先給我一份說明好不好你們跟市府溝通的結果我希望來試辦因為這個地點它其實你看到這個非常漂亮長條狀的而且它不會跟車輛跟其他交錯道那如果我們辦法把這個無人車跟整個\n654228\t673594\t電動車的整個結合那在這邊做一些示範計畫的話效果也非常的好啦那同時間也可以減少人力我們現在找司機越來越困難了嘛那如果幫他來示範而且迄今每年觀光人口就有六七百萬這幾年各地啦包括韓國也很喜歡來到這個地方其他國家喜歡來這邊那我們機會展現出這樣的話會達到很好的效果\n674675\t687404\t這目標不錯 不管車的發展我們得跟經濟部跟業者討論看看有沒有業者想要在這邊示範請次長再努力跟交通部 經濟部 國防再努力看看一個月的先給我一份報告好不好\n","txt":"我先請一下郭部長然後再請林次長\n我先請教一個問題其實大立埔遷村這個也謝謝部長也很積極在做推動那但是當地的鄉親們也很關心因為從2018年到現在其實也拖了這個相當長的時間七年了那我只想問一下現在目前的初步規劃是2027年實施啟動遷村是這樣的方向嗎\n因為我上個禮拜也有去跟陳市長來討論這個問題上個禮拜我有去那我們是盡量能夠越快越好所以啟動千春到底是怎麼樣因為我們先讓有意願的\n所以當時有講到年底今年我們就先讓他有意願的先來登記今年年底前會啟動登記嘛對不對今年年底啟動登記然後那如果照這樣的目標因為全部都在走了那如果照這樣的目標2027年來啟動實質遷村我們要越快越好\n希望再更提前啦齁但是我還是希望這個時間啦齁那今年年底來登記這樣的完成然後另外2027 但更早更好啦齁因為我相信等很久了啦齁包括他們也一直在到底房屋要不要修繕阿這也要跟市政府去旁邊啦齁這兩邊來合作這樣啦阿我是有拜託市長 要完全支持啦\n對 因為部長是主辦單位啦你主要是你經濟部是主辦的單位啦但市府是受你委託的單位所以可能主辦單位的這個再多催 多加把勁啦好不好讓整件事情快一點因為鄉親真的等很久了而且坦白講這也是當時從蔡總統到賴總統到陳市長到歷任的部長我們的共同承諾啦\n那鄉親們也相信我們的承諾 那也希望盡快給他們能夠搬遷到更適合的地點 好不好好 那就照這樣的目標 好 謝謝部長 謝謝那我問一下林次長好不好 交通部林次長林次長好 部長請回座 謝謝\n市長先請教今天其實很多的關心到這個問題我先請教一下電動公車這前一陣子才剛發生的台北市的電動公車起火那運安會認為這是一個重大事故令到調查目前調查的結果是怎樣\n報告委員還在調查中還沒有具體的那在還沒有調查中的時候會不會影響到其他的電動公車的整體的運作報告部長報告委員我們當天應該市政府已經把該路線20條同行車都停止運作然後做全面檢查那另外市府裡面有800多輛也全面一併檢查目前好像有一輛有狀況的樣子\n那所以其他還是繼續全國的都要檢查那其他的還是繼續在行駛當中其他不是這一行車的繼續運作但是因為有這樣的事件所以應該各家公司都會注意到它的這個電池系統有沒有異常\n所以這一家業者的狀況因為我看了一下這一家製造商五年內有發生三次自燃的事件那顯然所以這一家的廠商的會特別去比較高度的去因為畢竟如果又再次發生的話這個坦白講這也蠻危險的有這樣的狀況就要釐清它到底是因為製造的問題還是維護保養的問題預定什麼時候這個調查報告會出來\n包委員他還沒公佈時間 運安會還沒有公佈運安會沒有公佈 那預定多久 次長你認為像這樣的要多久要查出他的事實狀況可能因為差異蠻大的 因為你像航空他通常要一年那海運軌道就不一定 那公路的話他目前還沒有沒有一個很\n不過這個也要加快啦因為如果你沒有辦法這個查明它的真相為什麼自然的真相的話大家都會擔憂嘛我們基本上就是同步啦一方面調查原因因為每個個案有它的形成原因那第二個其他同行車跟電動車要注意的是電池的管理跟維護保養充電的過程我知道但是如果連調查這樣的事故要很長的時間的話這個\n市長這個交通部算是整個您也算是第三把交椅了那這個是一個很重要的\n這應該給一個時間出來吧我們跟院安會來詢問一下市長多久能夠出來抱歉我沒有辦法替院安會回應盡快啦好不好我覺得這件事情不能拖延這會影響到人民的安全跟信心如果只是單一的廠商的單一的某個零件上出了問題那我們找到我們當然可以盡快做處理如果不是這件鱷魚花那恐怕會造成大家更大的擔憂這個我覺得盡快\n那現在搭這些電動公車的人的話如果我們還沒罵查明的話那其實是是有風險的是有風險的所以我覺得還是要盡快來查明現有的幾個江山部有補助的大概五家有六款車型包括幾個國內的一些業者那當然剛才提到我希望\n儘快去查明啦 如果是單一業者本身他的設備有些問題那當然這一個業者部分要求要去改善那同時以人命安全為最優先就要去暫時先去停止暫時要改善完畢才能夠使用啦那如果其他的也都有類似的問題的話那恐怕要整體做一些處理沒錯 確實如此我相信這幾家廠商看到這案例應該也會回頭看他們的系統有沒有相類似的問題\n那第二個呢在營運過程中發生的事件跟電池管理的問題可能都要回饋到設計跟製造商去調整\n對 交通政策這個人命是最關鍵的如果你連公車上如果沒辦法給大家確保安全的話那這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦更何況公車裡面很多可能都是相對都是一些比較老人小孩甚至弱勢者去使用的機率更高那更風險更是高所以我這一塊是請次長要加速要求今天我沒有逼你一定時間出來但是一定要快啦 好不好\n人命的安全優先如果再發生這樣的狀況甚至造成人命的傷亡的話這恐怕是大家都承擔不起的那我接下來想要問的是那到底我們現在所要挑戰的這些的電動巴士的我們做好的準備現在目前預定在2030年要完成全面的電動化這個看起來是沒辦法順利完成了嗎\n包委員我們希望它後面越來越快啦那去年2024我們有達標今年需要再努力那照這樣的目標還是沒有改變嗎就是2030年完成目標還是一樣我們希望一萬一千台左右要全面電動我個人其實是支持這樣政策的因為就電動的話一方面我們當然希望對於這個運具能夠透過運具的減少\n減少空污的影響 同時間也能夠這個我是支持 特別是在空污嚴重的地方 像我的選區高雄 我就非常支持應該要加速推動我都希望當我們的這個製造業必須要因為生產而可能要產生一些\n碳排甚至產生一些污染的同時的時候那至少在我們的大眾運輸在我們的運具上多盡量減少用碳排的如果能夠公車也用電動公車機車也用電動機車汽車也用我認為都是歡迎因為它只要稍微降一點點這個量的話都有機會讓我們的空污改善也許那個安全值就在那個接近的謝偉這也是為什麼我們報院也同意的為了大概用640億左右\n所以後續上還是希望還是希望次長跟部裡面加速推動啦特別是在這些的本身製造業工業城市空污嚴重地區要加速來推動因為往往它每降一些移動污染源降一些其實對於整個空氣的整體的品質就也許就是那關鍵點\n紅害變成這個菊井就好很多菊井變成黃色就好很多我認為那個都好很多但是如果在本身空汙相對良好的空氣相對良好的地方的話這個當然是很好的指標但是那個效益性就更不一樣了好不好這個還是希望我們會跟高雄市政府積極來合作\n所以照這樣來看的話這會全面來推動整個順利在還是要趕2030年完成這樣的目標這個目標不變那因為實際到了我最後也提一個其實像韓國的首尾已經把他的無人巴士也已經納入到營運了除了智慧化電動化以外另外無人的部分我也希望包括我們的經濟部包括我們的交通部包括國發會無人載具大概都是現在未來的一個趨勢包括智慧化的這些的那\n我還是希望像過去以來曾經旗津交通部下也有觀光署旗津過去我們講過很多的無人載具無碳島的想法我也希望未來旗津很簡單就是一個長條狀的所以它在海岸邊很有機會順利的能夠推動比如說我們用一個無人車的一個試辦的一個計畫\n那很漂亮啦 你坐了渡輪到那邊之後你可以坐上那個無人車也許從旗津走到中州再回到這邊那也有看到一面過去就是非常漂亮的海景就有點像瀨戶連海這樣子 或者像其他的所有的一些港灣港口城市一樣它非常漂亮的一些港景 同時間又能夠滴炭\n同時又能夠用智慧化而且它又不會跟人行或者跟車輛有所交錯我希望這個包括交通部包括國發會這個整體思考一下來齊心來推動這樣的計畫好不好請市長各位評論看看是 謝謝委員那個基本上我們電動車的計畫有很大的一個目標也是希望帶動智慧化跟自駕車的\n的發展所以這個部分我們希望在未來六七年能夠逐漸的智慧化跟自動化來前進第二個您提到其實這個地方我們跟市政府再來研究看看因為事辦計劃一般要由地方或是主辦方來提\n那個部長一個月先給我一份說明好不好你們跟市府溝通的結果我希望來試辦因為這個地點它其實你看到這個非常漂亮長條狀的而且它不會跟車輛跟其他交錯道那如果我們辦法把這個無人車跟整個\n電動車的整個結合那在這邊做一些示範計畫的話效果也非常的好啦那同時間也可以減少人力我們現在找司機越來越困難了嘛那如果幫他來示範而且迄今每年觀光人口就有六七百萬這幾年各地啦包括韓國也很喜歡來到這個地方其他國家喜歡來這邊那我們機會展現出這樣的話會達到很好的效果\n這目標不錯 不管車的發展我們得跟經濟部跟業者討論看看有沒有業者想要在這邊示範請次長再努力跟交通部 經濟部 國防再努力看看一個月的先給我一份報告好不好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.490 --> 00:02.496\n我先請一下郭部長然後再請林次長\n\n00:11.944 --> 00:33.254\n我先請教一個問題其實大立埔遷村這個也謝謝部長也很積極在做推動那但是當地的鄉親們也很關心因為從2018年到現在其實也拖了這個相當長的時間七年了那我只想問一下現在目前的初步規劃是2027年實施啟動遷村是這樣的方向嗎\n\n00:35.802 --> 00:52.003\n因為我上個禮拜也有去跟陳市長來討論這個問題上個禮拜我有去那我們是盡量能夠越快越好所以啟動千春到底是怎麼樣因為我們先讓有意願的\n\n00:53.365 --> 01:10.546\n所以當時有講到年底今年我們就先讓他有意願的先來登記今年年底前會啟動登記嘛對不對今年年底啟動登記然後那如果照這樣的目標因為全部都在走了那如果照這樣的目標2027年來啟動實質遷村我們要越快越好\n\n01:11.267 --> 01:27.670\n希望再更提前啦齁但是我還是希望這個時間啦齁那今年年底來登記這樣的完成然後另外2027但更早更好啦齁因為我相信等很久了啦齁包括他們也一直在到底房屋要不要修繕阿這也要跟市政府去旁邊啦齁這兩邊來合作這樣啦阿我是有拜託市長要完全支持啦\n\n01:35.692 --> 01:58.680\n對因為部長是主辦單位啦你主要是你經濟部是主辦的單位啦但市府是受你委託的單位所以可能主辦單位的這個再多催多加把勁啦好不好讓整件事情快一點因為鄉親真的等很久了而且坦白講這也是當時從蔡總統到賴總統到陳市長到歷任的部長我們的共同承諾啦\n\n01:59.420 --> 02:11.386\n那鄉親們也相信我們的承諾那也希望盡快給他們能夠搬遷到更適合的地點好不好好那就照這樣的目標好謝謝部長謝謝那我問一下林次長好不好交通部林次長林次長好部長請回座謝謝\n\n02:17.200 --> 02:32.094\n市長先請教今天其實很多的關心到這個問題我先請教一下電動公車這前一陣子才剛發生的台北市的電動公車起火那運安會認為這是一個重大事故令到調查目前調查的結果是怎樣\n\n02:34.284 --> 02:56.613\n報告委員還在調查中還沒有具體的那在還沒有調查中的時候會不會影響到其他的電動公車的整體的運作報告部長報告委員我們當天應該市政府已經把該路線20條同行車都停止運作然後做全面檢查那另外市府裡面有800多輛也全面一併檢查目前好像有一輛有狀況的樣子\n\n02:58.354 --> 03:13.819\n那所以其他還是繼續全國的都要檢查那其他的還是繼續在行駛當中其他不是這一行車的繼續運作但是因為有這樣的事件所以應該各家公司都會注意到它的這個電池系統有沒有異常\n\n03:14.179 --> 03:38.419\n所以這一家業者的狀況因為我看了一下這一家製造商五年內有發生三次自燃的事件那顯然所以這一家的廠商的會特別去比較高度的去因為畢竟如果又再次發生的話這個坦白講這也蠻危險的有這樣的狀況就要釐清它到底是因為製造的問題還是維護保養的問題預定什麼時候這個調查報告會出來\n\n03:42.285 --> 04:04.955\n包委員他還沒公佈時間運安會還沒有公佈運安會沒有公佈那預定多久次長你認為像這樣的要多久要查出他的事實狀況可能因為差異蠻大的因為你像航空他通常要一年那海運軌道就不一定那公路的話他目前還沒有沒有一個很\n\n04:05.731 --> 04:31.713\n不過這個也要加快啦因為如果你沒有辦法這個查明它的真相為什麼自然的真相的話大家都會擔憂嘛我們基本上就是同步啦一方面調查原因因為每個個案有它的形成原因那第二個其他同行車跟電動車要注意的是電池的管理跟維護保養充電的過程我知道但是如果連調查這樣的事故要很長的時間的話這個\n\n04:33.915 --> 04:42.212\n市長這個交通部算是整個您也算是第三把交椅了那這個是一個很重要的\n\n04:43.743 --> 05:08.052\n這應該給一個時間出來吧我們跟院安會來詢問一下市長多久能夠出來抱歉我沒有辦法替院安會回應盡快啦好不好我覺得這件事情不能拖延這會影響到人民的安全跟信心如果只是單一的廠商的單一的某個零件上出了問題那我們找到我們當然可以盡快做處理如果不是這件鱷魚花那恐怕會造成大家更大的擔憂這個我覺得盡快\n\n05:09.733 --> 05:30.159\n那現在搭這些電動公車的人的話如果我們還沒罵查明的話那其實是是有風險的是有風險的所以我覺得還是要盡快來查明現有的幾個江山部有補助的大概五家有六款車型包括幾個國內的一些業者那當然剛才提到我希望\n\n05:30.979 --> 05:55.085\n儘快去查明啦如果是單一業者本身他的設備有些問題那當然這一個業者部分要求要去改善那同時以人命安全為最優先就要去暫時先去停止暫時要改善完畢才能夠使用啦那如果其他的也都有類似的問題的話那恐怕要整體做一些處理沒錯確實如此我相信這幾家廠商看到這案例應該也會回頭看他們的系統有沒有相類似的問題\n\n05:55.945 --> 06:05.142\n那第二個呢在營運過程中發生的事件跟電池管理的問題可能都要回饋到設計跟製造商去調整\n\n06:06.662 --> 06:33.002\n對交通政策這個人命是最關鍵的如果你連公車上如果沒辦法給大家確保安全的話那這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦更何況公車裡面很多可能都是相對都是一些比較老人小孩甚至弱勢者去使用的機率更高那更風險更是高所以我這一塊是請次長要加速要求今天我沒有逼你一定時間出來但是一定要快啦好不好\n\n06:33.562 --> 06:54.035\n人命的安全優先如果再發生這樣的狀況甚至造成人命的傷亡的話這恐怕是大家都承擔不起的那我接下來想要問的是那到底我們現在所要挑戰的這些的電動巴士的我們做好的準備現在目前預定在2030年要完成全面的電動化這個看起來是沒辦法順利完成了嗎\n\n06:54.695 --> 07:17.190\n包委員我們希望它後面越來越快啦那去年2024我們有達標今年需要再努力那照這樣的目標還是沒有改變嗎就是2030年完成目標還是一樣我們希望一萬一千台左右要全面電動我個人其實是支持這樣政策的因為就電動的話一方面我們當然希望對於這個運具能夠透過運具的減少\n\n07:20.752 --> 07:35.127\n減少空污的影響同時間也能夠這個我是支持特別是在空污嚴重的地方像我的選區高雄我就非常支持應該要加速推動我都希望當我們的這個製造業必須要因為生產而可能要產生一些\n\n07:35.888 --> 08:00.967\n碳排甚至產生一些污染的同時的時候那至少在我們的大眾運輸在我們的運具上多盡量減少用碳排的如果能夠公車也用電動公車機車也用電動機車汽車也用我認為都是歡迎因為它只要稍微降一點點這個量的話都有機會讓我們的空污改善也許那個安全值就在那個接近的謝偉這也是為什麼我們報院也同意的為了大概用640億左右\n\n08:02.648 --> 08:21.516\n所以後續上還是希望還是希望次長跟部裡面加速推動啦特別是在這些的本身製造業工業城市空污嚴重地區要加速來推動因為往往它每降一些移動污染源降一些其實對於整個空氣的整體的品質就也許就是那關鍵點\n\n08:22.456 --> 08:40.729\n紅害變成這個菊井就好很多菊井變成黃色就好很多我認為那個都好很多但是如果在本身空汙相對良好的空氣相對良好的地方的話這個當然是很好的指標但是那個效益性就更不一樣了好不好這個還是希望我們會跟高雄市政府積極來合作\n\n08:43.058 --> 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交通政策這個人命是最關鍵的如果你連公車上如果沒辦法給大家確保安全的話那這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦更何況公車裡面很多可能都是相對都是一些比較老人小孩甚至弱勢者去使用的機率更高那更風險更是高所以我這一塊是請次長要加速要求今天我沒有逼你一定時間出來但是一定要快啦 好不好"},{"start":393.562,"end":414.035,"text":"人命的安全優先如果再發生這樣的狀況甚至造成人命的傷亡的話這恐怕是大家都承擔不起的那我接下來想要問的是那到底我們現在所要挑戰的這些的電動巴士的我們做好的準備現在目前預定在2030年要完成全面的電動化這個看起來是沒辦法順利完成了嗎"},{"start":414.695,"end":437.19,"text":"包委員我們希望它後面越來越快啦那去年2024我們有達標今年需要再努力那照這樣的目標還是沒有改變嗎就是2030年完成目標還是一樣我們希望一萬一千台左右要全面電動我個人其實是支持這樣政策的因為就電動的話一方面我們當然希望對於這個運具能夠透過運具的減少"},{"start":440.752,"end":455.127,"text":"減少空污的影響 同時間也能夠這個我是支持 特別是在空污嚴重的地方 像我的選區高雄 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