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00:02:17,095\n然後讓這一個我們的這個機構可以專心來照顧我們的這一個長輩這第一點第二點我們現在目前在整個這個還是要這個整個通過還是要在這個大院這邊來來預修正合併來通過那麼在這之前我們就是來會來輔導那個各地方的業者來進化來盡量我想這個相關的評鑑的一個部分我們朝簡化的方面來輔導他們\n\n7\n00:02:39,312 --> 00:03:03,083\n是以上謝謝好我們希望就是說我們這些老人福利機構他應該是把精神全部就是集中在照顧我們的長輩或照顧這些住民那這個評鑑的部分我覺得應該是簡化我覺得這應該是大家的一個共識那也非常感謝衛福部真的是從山如流那接下來我想請教部長就是\n\n8\n00:03:04,123 --> 00:03:20,818\n我們今天有關這個生權法的部分那在前一陣子這個媒體上面都會有講到這個不論是公車啦捷運啦或者是我們的這個鐵路也許都會有這個優先席或者我們講的博愛座啦那後來我們認為就是說這個博愛座應該要有一些調整因為讓\n\n9\n00:03:27,323 --> 00:03:51,961\n有需要的人來使用這個我覺得這個應該是大家的共識那我看到就是說衛福部這邊因為我們沒有看到衛福部這邊的版本可是委員的版本就是說博愛座改為優先席那博愛座改為優先席你們的我是覺得應該跟博愛座或改成優先席我是覺得都差不了多少啦\n\n10\n00:03:52,802 --> 00:04:21,290\n那我想聽聽衛福部這邊為什麼你們會同意就是說博愛座改為優先席那你們認為說這個預期的效果會是怎樣是的因為博愛座這這麼多年來大家深耕地固的一個觀念就是老弱婦孺嘛所以才會引起可能有些人覺得我的像年輕人可能他生理期很不舒服這學生也很多啦老實講\n\n11\n00:04:23,032 --> 00:04:30,066\n那也有一些真的身體不舒服的那這樣會引起紛爭當然我們希望\n\n12\n00:04:31,101 --> 00:04:54,858\n我們的社會永遠都是互相關懷互相支持但是給實際上需要的人這才是核心精神那我也看到就是說我們原本的博愛座底下也有有這樣一行字就是說請優先禮讓座位給需要的旅客那可是我們現在還是會有一些爭議就是說我們在媒體上面也會看到很多也許長輩他覺得說這個博愛座應該是要優先禮讓給他\n\n13\n00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:19,566\n所以在這個幾次的我們看到就是在去年有一個民調就是說你認為博愛桌是不是要廢除那有63%的人覺得說應該要廢除那我們今天這個有關生權法的這個部分有特別委員部分委員有提出來那我想我最想要聽就是說\n\n14\n00:05:21,526 --> 00:05:45,951\n衛福部這邊會同意就是說有博愛座改為優先席那你們未預期的效果是會覺得說博愛座改成優先席大家看到這個優先席就會主動禮讓或者是也許會變成就像日本一樣他們現在也是用優先席啊可是他們還是有這樣的一個狀況出現啊就是說其他這個旁邊還有空位嘛那\n\n15\n00:05:48,453 --> 00:06:07,450\n這個應該是說喬治亞駐日的這個大使他因為自己在網路上面POPO就是說他做這個捷運然後就是在上面可以很悠閒的看書可是就讓網友可能就直接對他的一些批評那我看到就是說這個上面他也是寫優先席\n\n16\n00:06:09,051 --> 00:06:24,722\n同樣也會有這樣的一個狀況所以我想請教就是說未來台灣如果由博愛座改為優先席的話部長你認為就是說會有這種被嚴上的這樣的一個狀況會減少嗎或者是你們認為要怎麼去做會更好第一個就是謝謝委員關心指導這個議題\n\n17\n00:06:33,988 --> 00:07:01,175\n我想既然已經這個目標就是實際上需求者那這個部分可能對老人家會覺得根深蒂固的觀念這可能需要先導那這個部分就是交通部會多元化來先導那當然這個是因為可能是沒有人做吧要就自己做我覺得不要用這樣一張圖就來代表好像\n\n18\n00:07:02,075 --> 00:07:16,875\n他好像不懂不體貼這樣子當然是這樣子可是就是說很多可能也許網友或者是說其他的人可能對他有一些批評我今天的這個議題我最主要想要問就是說原本我們博愛做\n\n19\n00:07:18,997 --> 00:07:33,201\n部分委員有提出來就是說改為優先席啦那衛福部這邊也寫說這個競表支持那我想聽的就是說衛福部你這邊認為不愛做改為優先席就會有這樣的這種爭議的議題就會減少嗎\n\n20\n00:07:36,055 --> 00:07:54,385\n我相信如果宣導的好的話應該會減少爭議大家更能夠注意到其實各年齡層都有他需求的一面反而是會互相世代的一個互相照顧更加的促進世代的照顧應該是一個正向的方向\n\n21\n00:07:55,165 --> 00:08:11,650\n我不知道说部长在你年轻的时候也许在学校可能会有一些宣导就是说看到这个需要的人或者是老人家或者是孕妇或者是需要的人看到之后即使不是在博外做的话你也会礼让\n\n22\n00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:36,887\n也許在那個以前學校我不知道說部長有沒有這樣的經驗那現在我覺得說應該是讓所有的民眾這個有一個觀念不一定是要博愛座或是優先席只要是任何的一個位置在你的周邊的民眾有這個需要的話應該大家就是都要禮讓我覺得應該要有這樣的一個觀念我非常支持這樣的理念是\n\n23\n00:08:38,968 --> 00:09:07,867\n而不是說你弄一個這個博愛座改為優先席會讓更多這個我是存疑啦所以大家可以討論啦另外就是說我們也在這一次就是說這個設置的比例不得低於原本就是說不得低於這個總座位數的比例15%那可能要增加到20%那我不知道說衛福部這邊的意見是怎樣\n\n24\n00:09:10,185 --> 00:09:27,191\n我們尊重交通部的...我們一直都是在這個部分都一直尊重交通部的規劃那交通部他們有沒有什麼樣的意見?交通部有沒有意見?交通部有來?可不可以...副市長喔?對副市長來\n\n25\n00:09:32,270 --> 00:09:59,539\n跟委員報告那其實就如董委員講的其實是優先洗的那個不愛做是給有需要的人來做那其實我們在我們覺得是重要的工作其實還是在於宣導所以其實數量其實我們一直覺得現在的食物其實已經不是問題啦就說大概也沒有所謂執行的摯愛其實在宣導工作其實我們是建議維持現行就好不需要再增加到百分之二十以上\n\n26\n00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:26,253\n其實我剛剛的一個意見就是應該是要讓所有的民眾知道就是說不一定是在這個博愛座改為優先席一旦是有民眾有這個需求的話即使他不是博愛座不是優先席的話你還是要離讓我覺得應該是要有這樣的一個觀念存在要不然我今天如果再提一個我把這個總比例\n\n27\n00:10:27,614 --> 00:10:46,402\n由15改為20或者是由15改為30甚至100%那我覺得這個應該也沒有多大的意義啦我覺得應該是讓需要的人都可以去做所有的位置而不是只是固定在這個博外座或者是優先席對我覺得這個優良的傳統應該是\n\n28\n00:10:49,315 --> 00:11:07,327\n要留著啦因為這的確是會符合互相幫忙的一個所以不是說只有在不管是博愛還是優先席所有的座位理論上看到需要的人如果你自己覺得你可以的話應該是讓座這樣子是一個很好的\n\n29\n00:11:08,208 --> 00:11:22,972\n好那我現在就是說希望衛福部或者是交通部這邊因為我也聽到就是在廣播上面他也就是也有在針對這個博愛做有做一些宣傳就是說禮讓給需要的人禮讓給需要的人所以就是不需要\n\n30\n00:11:26,913 --> 00:11:48,127\n特意去把這個名字不外作改為優先席其實我會存疑就是說你名字改完之後那後續還是會有一些爭議啦這個是我的意見所以我希望就是說衛福部應該你們自己要提出你們自己的一個未來要怎麼讓這樣的一個爭議減少而不是只是把名稱改掉而已\n\n31\n00:11:48,607 --> 00:12:01,002\n所以我想這個我們會持續來研究人的一個想法,譬如說如果你屈我這個就是有嫌疑這是我個人的看法,有嫌疑其他的就\n\n32\n00:12:03,031 --> 00:12:18,230\n你就安心看書休息就不用因為有些人還是非常非常的善良擔心說有誰我沒有讓到位置我心裡不安那至少我們有一個優先席是給這些人其實這個部分\n\n33\n00:12:19,071 --> 00:12:42,988\n也是有他的意義的存在當然普遍性盡量能夠讓給需要的人這不只在公車上在任何地方都是應該要互相幫忙是好我們希望就是說不是只是改名字而已啦應該是要多宣傳然後讓需要的人不只是在這個優先席或博愛座在其他的位置其實大家都可以這樣子理讓給需要的人\n\n34\n00:12:43,168 --> 00:13:07,447\n好的,是,謝謝,謝謝委員長好,市長市長要補充委員剛好,對於老人福利機構平建那邊的配套措施,我再補充一點現在就是說,如果這個如果通過的話我們下一次,中央的這一個老人福利機構的平建是116年所以116年就可以開始試用這第二點,第二點,因為每四年一次嘛第二,地方這邊如果有其他的,有他們自己置平的話也試用這個辦法,以上兩點補充,謝謝好,謝謝\n\n35\n00:13:11,051 --> 00:13:11,513\n好謝謝洪偉謝謝部長次長那接下來請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5828\t8189\t謝謝主席我們請部長來請邱部長委員好 部長好 部長我先就今天這個要修這個老人福利法第48條的條文修正草案的部分那我記得在去年的時候我有邀請這個呂次長到地方跟所有的住宿機構大家做一個\n33158\t53404\t這個協調因為我們知道就是說我們所有的老人福利機構他的評鑑是原本是有分那個等地就是甲乙丙丁那一般的這個長照機構的評鑑是用這個合格跟不合格那會造成我們所有住宿機構的一些困擾\n54124\t82877\t那當時地方的這些機構他們認為就是說所有的這個住宿機構各類的住宿機構的評鑑應該是要一致所以我們看到就是說衛福部在這一次有提出來就是有關這個老人福利法第48條的一個修正草案那我們是樂見因為你們已經提出來那另外就是說在這個法還沒有未來通過之前可能會有一個過渡期\n83717\t111188\t那像這樣子的話你們會有什麼樣的因應措施郭主席主席還有非常感謝委員對於這個議題的關心我也記得是我們典禮有那個委員會非常關心我們的長照尤其我們的老人福利機構還有各項機構有相關的品質提升然後裡面委員就是機構他們那邊有提出就是說這裡面是不是可以把它簡化\n112669\t128668\t我們護理之家嘛還有其他我們現在那個常夫法那邊全部都是合格不合格那唯獨只有我們這個老人福利法我們老人福利機構這邊還有加一餅丁嘛那我們現在目前就是從善如流就是按照我們那個委員上次的建議還有我們就把它簡化\n129349\t137095\t然後讓這一個我們的這個機構可以專心來照顧我們的這一個長輩這第一點 第二點我們現在目前在整個這個還是要這個整個通過還是要在這個大院這邊來來預修正合併來通過那麼在這之前我們就是來會來輔導那個各地方的業者來進化來盡量我想這個相關的評鑑的一個部分我們朝簡化的方面來輔導他們\n159312\t183083\t是以上謝謝好我們希望就是說我們這些老人福利機構他應該是把精神全部就是集中在照顧我們的長輩或照顧這些住民那這個評鑑的部分我覺得應該是簡化我覺得這應該是大家的一個共識那也非常感謝衛福部真的是從山如流那接下來我想請教部長就是\n184123\t200818\t我們今天有關這個生權法的部分那在前一陣子這個媒體上面都會有講到這個不論是公車啦捷運啦或者是我們的這個鐵路也許都會有這個優先席或者我們講的博愛座啦那後來我們認為就是說這個博愛座應該要有一些調整因為讓\n207323\t231961\t有需要的人來使用這個我覺得這個應該是大家的共識那我看到就是說衛福部這邊因為我們沒有看到衛福部這邊的版本可是委員的版本就是說博愛座改為優先席那博愛座改為優先席你們的我是覺得應該跟博愛座或改成優先席我是覺得都差不了多少啦\n232802\t261290\t那我想聽聽衛福部這邊為什麼你們會同意就是說博愛座改為優先席那你們認為說這個預期的效果會是怎樣是的 因為博愛座這這麼多年來大家深耕地固的一個觀念就是老弱婦孺嘛所以才會引起可能有些人覺得我的像年輕人可能他生理期很不舒服這學生也很多啦 老實講\n263032\t270066\t那也有一些真的身體不舒服的那這樣會引起紛爭當然我們希望\n271101\t294858\t我們的社會永遠都是互相關懷互相支持但是給實際上需要的人這才是核心精神那我也看到就是說我們原本的博愛座底下也有有這樣一行字就是說請優先禮讓座位給需要的旅客那可是我們現在還是會有一些爭議就是說我們在媒體上面也會看到很多也許長輩他覺得說這個博愛座應該是要優先禮讓給他\n298399\t319566\t所以在這個幾次的我們看到就是在去年有一個民調就是說你認為博愛桌是不是要廢除那有63%的人覺得說應該要廢除那我們今天這個有關生權法的這個部分有特別委員部分委員有提出來那我想我最想要聽就是說\n321526\t345951\t衛福部這邊會同意就是說有博愛座改為優先席那你們未預期的效果是會覺得說博愛座改成優先席大家看到這個優先席就會主動禮讓或者是也許會變成就像日本一樣他們現在也是用優先席啊可是他們還是有這樣的一個狀況出現啊就是說其他這個旁邊還有空位嘛那\n348453\t367450\t這個應該是說喬治亞駐日的這個大使他因為自己在網路上面POPO就是說他做這個捷運然後就是在上面可以很悠閒的看書可是就讓網友可能就直接對他的一些批評那我看到就是說這個上面他也是寫優先席\n369051\t384722\t同樣也會有這樣的一個狀況所以我想請教就是說未來台灣如果由博愛座改為優先席的話部長你認為就是說會有這種被嚴上的這樣的一個狀況會減少嗎或者是你們認為要怎麼去做會更好第一個就是謝謝委員關心指導這個議題\n393988\t421175\t我想既然已經這個目標就是實際上需求者那這個部分可能對老人家會覺得根深蒂固的觀念這可能需要先導那這個部分就是交通部會多元化來先導那當然這個是因為可能是沒有人做吧要就自己做我覺得不要用這樣一張圖就來代表好像\n422075\t436875\t他好像不懂不體貼這樣子當然是這樣子可是就是說很多可能也許網友或者是說其他的人可能對他有一些批評我今天的這個議題我最主要想要問就是說原本我們博愛做\n438997\t453201\t部分委員有提出來就是說改為優先席啦那衛福部這邊也寫說這個競表支持那我想聽的就是說衛福部你這邊認為不愛做改為優先席就會有這樣的這種爭議的議題就會減少嗎\n456055\t474385\t我相信如果宣導的好的話應該會減少爭議大家更能夠注意到其實各年齡層都有他需求的一面反而是會互相世代的一個互相照顧更加的促進世代的照顧應該是一個正向的方向\n475165\t491650\t我不知道说部长在你年轻的时候也许在学校可能会有一些宣导就是说看到这个需要的人或者是老人家或者是孕妇或者是需要的人看到之后即使不是在博外做的话你也会礼让\n492430\t516887\t也許在那個以前學校我不知道說部長有沒有這樣的經驗那現在我覺得說應該是讓所有的民眾這個有一個觀念不一定是要博愛座或是優先席只要是任何的一個位置在你的周邊的民眾有這個需要的話應該大家就是都要禮讓我覺得應該要有這樣的一個觀念我非常支持這樣的理念是\n518968\t547867\t而不是說你弄一個這個博愛座改為優先席會讓更多這個我是存疑啦所以大家可以討論啦另外就是說我們也在這一次就是說這個設置的比例不得低於原本就是說不得低於這個總座位數的比例15%那可能要增加到20%那我不知道說衛福部這邊的意見是怎樣\n550185\t567191\t我們尊重交通部的...我們一直都是在這個部分都一直尊重交通部的規劃那交通部他們有沒有什麼樣的意見?交通部有沒有意見?交通部有來?可不可以...副市長喔?對副市長來\n572270\t599539\t跟委員報告那其實就如董委員講的其實是優先洗的那個不愛做是給有需要的人來做那其實我們在我們覺得是重要的工作其實還是在於宣導所以其實數量其實我們一直覺得現在的食物其實已經不是問題啦就說大概也沒有所謂執行的摯愛其實在宣導工作其實我們是建議維持現行就好不需要再增加到百分之二十以上\n600919\t626253\t其實我剛剛的一個意見就是應該是要讓所有的民眾知道就是說不一定是在這個博愛座改為優先席一旦是有民眾有這個需求的話即使他不是博愛座不是優先席的話你還是要離讓我覺得應該是要有這樣的一個觀念存在要不然我今天如果再提一個我把這個總比例\n627614\t646402\t由15改為20或者是由15改為30甚至100%那我覺得這個應該也沒有多大的意義啦我覺得應該是讓需要的人都可以去做所有的位置而不是只是固定在這個博外座或者是優先席對我覺得這個優良的傳統應該是\n649315\t667327\t要留著啦 因為這的確是會符合互相幫忙的一個所以不是說只有在不管是博愛還是優先席所有的座位理論上看到需要的人如果你自己覺得你可以的話應該是讓座這樣子是一個很好的\n668208\t682972\t好那我現在就是說希望衛福部或者是交通部這邊因為我也聽到就是在廣播上面他也就是也有在針對這個博愛做有做一些宣傳就是說禮讓給需要的人禮讓給需要的人所以就是不需要\n686913\t708127\t特意去把這個名字不外作改為優先席其實我會存疑就是說你名字改完之後那後續還是會有一些爭議啦這個是我的意見所以我希望就是說衛福部應該你們自己要提出你們自己的一個未來要怎麼讓這樣的一個爭議減少而不是只是把名稱改掉而已\n708607\t721002\t所以我想這個我們會持續來研究人的一個想法,譬如說如果你屈我這個就是有嫌疑這是我個人的看法,有嫌疑其他的就\n723031\t738230\t你就安心看書休息就不用因為有些人還是非常非常的善良擔心說有誰我沒有讓到位置我心裡不安那至少我們有一個優先席是給這些人其實這個部分\n739071\t762988\t也是有他的意義的存在當然普遍性盡量能夠讓給需要的人這不只在公車上在任何地方都是應該要互相幫忙是好我們希望就是說不是只是改名字而已啦應該是要多宣傳然後讓需要的人不只是在這個優先席或博愛座在其他的位置其實大家都可以這樣子理讓給需要的人\n763168\t787447\t好的,是,謝謝,謝謝委員長好,市長市長要補充 委員剛好,對於老人福利機構平建那邊的配套措施,我再補充一點現在就是說,如果這個如果通過的話我們下一次,中央的這一個老人福利機構的平建是116年所以116年就可以開始試用這第二點,第二點,因為每四年一次嘛第二,地方這邊如果有其他的,有他們自己置平的話也試用這個辦法,以上兩點補充,謝謝好,謝謝\n791051\t791513\t好 謝謝洪偉 謝謝部長 次長那接下來請\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請部長來請邱部長委員好 部長好 部長我先就今天這個要修這個老人福利法第48條的條文修正草案的部分那我記得在去年的時候我有邀請這個呂次長到地方跟所有的住宿機構大家做一個\n這個協調因為我們知道就是說我們所有的老人福利機構他的評鑑是原本是有分那個等地就是甲乙丙丁那一般的這個長照機構的評鑑是用這個合格跟不合格那會造成我們所有住宿機構的一些困擾\n那當時地方的這些機構他們認為就是說所有的這個住宿機構各類的住宿機構的評鑑應該是要一致所以我們看到就是說衛福部在這一次有提出來就是有關這個老人福利法第48條的一個修正草案那我們是樂見因為你們已經提出來那另外就是說在這個法還沒有未來通過之前可能會有一個過渡期\n那像這樣子的話你們會有什麼樣的因應措施郭主席主席還有非常感謝委員對於這個議題的關心我也記得是我們典禮有那個委員會非常關心我們的長照尤其我們的老人福利機構還有各項機構有相關的品質提升然後裡面委員就是機構他們那邊有提出就是說這裡面是不是可以把它簡化\n我們護理之家嘛還有其他我們現在那個常夫法那邊全部都是合格不合格那唯獨只有我們這個老人福利法我們老人福利機構這邊還有加一餅丁嘛那我們現在目前就是從善如流就是按照我們那個委員上次的建議還有我們就把它簡化\n然後讓這一個我們的這個機構可以專心來照顧我們的這一個長輩這第一點 第二點我們現在目前在整個這個還是要這個整個通過還是要在這個大院這邊來來預修正合併來通過那麼在這之前我們就是來會來輔導那個各地方的業者來進化來盡量我想這個相關的評鑑的一個部分我們朝簡化的方面來輔導他們\n是以上謝謝好我們希望就是說我們這些老人福利機構他應該是把精神全部就是集中在照顧我們的長輩或照顧這些住民那這個評鑑的部分我覺得應該是簡化我覺得這應該是大家的一個共識那也非常感謝衛福部真的是從山如流那接下來我想請教部長就是\n我們今天有關這個生權法的部分那在前一陣子這個媒體上面都會有講到這個不論是公車啦捷運啦或者是我們的這個鐵路也許都會有這個優先席或者我們講的博愛座啦那後來我們認為就是說這個博愛座應該要有一些調整因為讓\n有需要的人來使用這個我覺得這個應該是大家的共識那我看到就是說衛福部這邊因為我們沒有看到衛福部這邊的版本可是委員的版本就是說博愛座改為優先席那博愛座改為優先席你們的我是覺得應該跟博愛座或改成優先席我是覺得都差不了多少啦\n那我想聽聽衛福部這邊為什麼你們會同意就是說博愛座改為優先席那你們認為說這個預期的效果會是怎樣是的 因為博愛座這這麼多年來大家深耕地固的一個觀念就是老弱婦孺嘛所以才會引起可能有些人覺得我的像年輕人可能他生理期很不舒服這學生也很多啦 老實講\n那也有一些真的身體不舒服的那這樣會引起紛爭當然我們希望\n我們的社會永遠都是互相關懷互相支持但是給實際上需要的人這才是核心精神那我也看到就是說我們原本的博愛座底下也有有這樣一行字就是說請優先禮讓座位給需要的旅客那可是我們現在還是會有一些爭議就是說我們在媒體上面也會看到很多也許長輩他覺得說這個博愛座應該是要優先禮讓給他\n所以在這個幾次的我們看到就是在去年有一個民調就是說你認為博愛桌是不是要廢除那有63%的人覺得說應該要廢除那我們今天這個有關生權法的這個部分有特別委員部分委員有提出來那我想我最想要聽就是說\n衛福部這邊會同意就是說有博愛座改為優先席那你們未預期的效果是會覺得說博愛座改成優先席大家看到這個優先席就會主動禮讓或者是也許會變成就像日本一樣他們現在也是用優先席啊可是他們還是有這樣的一個狀況出現啊就是說其他這個旁邊還有空位嘛那\n這個應該是說喬治亞駐日的這個大使他因為自己在網路上面POPO就是說他做這個捷運然後就是在上面可以很悠閒的看書可是就讓網友可能就直接對他的一些批評那我看到就是說這個上面他也是寫優先席\n同樣也會有這樣的一個狀況所以我想請教就是說未來台灣如果由博愛座改為優先席的話部長你認為就是說會有這種被嚴上的這樣的一個狀況會減少嗎或者是你們認為要怎麼去做會更好第一個就是謝謝委員關心指導這個議題\n我想既然已經這個目標就是實際上需求者那這個部分可能對老人家會覺得根深蒂固的觀念這可能需要先導那這個部分就是交通部會多元化來先導那當然這個是因為可能是沒有人做吧要就自己做我覺得不要用這樣一張圖就來代表好像\n他好像不懂不體貼這樣子當然是這樣子可是就是說很多可能也許網友或者是說其他的人可能對他有一些批評我今天的這個議題我最主要想要問就是說原本我們博愛做\n部分委員有提出來就是說改為優先席啦那衛福部這邊也寫說這個競表支持那我想聽的就是說衛福部你這邊認為不愛做改為優先席就會有這樣的這種爭議的議題就會減少嗎\n我相信如果宣導的好的話應該會減少爭議大家更能夠注意到其實各年齡層都有他需求的一面反而是會互相世代的一個互相照顧更加的促進世代的照顧應該是一個正向的方向\n我不知道说部长在你年轻的时候也许在学校可能会有一些宣导就是说看到这个需要的人或者是老人家或者是孕妇或者是需要的人看到之后即使不是在博外做的话你也会礼让\n也許在那個以前學校我不知道說部長有沒有這樣的經驗那現在我覺得說應該是讓所有的民眾這個有一個觀念不一定是要博愛座或是優先席只要是任何的一個位置在你的周邊的民眾有這個需要的話應該大家就是都要禮讓我覺得應該要有這樣的一個觀念我非常支持這樣的理念是\n而不是說你弄一個這個博愛座改為優先席會讓更多這個我是存疑啦所以大家可以討論啦另外就是說我們也在這一次就是說這個設置的比例不得低於原本就是說不得低於這個總座位數的比例15%那可能要增加到20%那我不知道說衛福部這邊的意見是怎樣\n我們尊重交通部的...我們一直都是在這個部分都一直尊重交通部的規劃那交通部他們有沒有什麼樣的意見?交通部有沒有意見?交通部有來?可不可以...副市長喔?對副市長來\n跟委員報告那其實就如董委員講的其實是優先洗的那個不愛做是給有需要的人來做那其實我們在我們覺得是重要的工作其實還是在於宣導所以其實數量其實我們一直覺得現在的食物其實已經不是問題啦就說大概也沒有所謂執行的摯愛其實在宣導工作其實我們是建議維持現行就好不需要再增加到百分之二十以上\n其實我剛剛的一個意見就是應該是要讓所有的民眾知道就是說不一定是在這個博愛座改為優先席一旦是有民眾有這個需求的話即使他不是博愛座不是優先席的話你還是要離讓我覺得應該是要有這樣的一個觀念存在要不然我今天如果再提一個我把這個總比例\n由15改為20或者是由15改為30甚至100%那我覺得這個應該也沒有多大的意義啦我覺得應該是讓需要的人都可以去做所有的位置而不是只是固定在這個博外座或者是優先席對我覺得這個優良的傳統應該是\n要留著啦 因為這的確是會符合互相幫忙的一個所以不是說只有在不管是博愛還是優先席所有的座位理論上看到需要的人如果你自己覺得你可以的話應該是讓座這樣子是一個很好的\n好那我現在就是說希望衛福部或者是交通部這邊因為我也聽到就是在廣播上面他也就是也有在針對這個博愛做有做一些宣傳就是說禮讓給需要的人禮讓給需要的人所以就是不需要\n特意去把這個名字不外作改為優先席其實我會存疑就是說你名字改完之後那後續還是會有一些爭議啦這個是我的意見所以我希望就是說衛福部應該你們自己要提出你們自己的一個未來要怎麼讓這樣的一個爭議減少而不是只是把名稱改掉而已\n所以我想這個我們會持續來研究人的一個想法,譬如說如果你屈我這個就是有嫌疑這是我個人的看法,有嫌疑其他的就\n你就安心看書休息就不用因為有些人還是非常非常的善良擔心說有誰我沒有讓到位置我心裡不安那至少我們有一個優先席是給這些人其實這個部分\n也是有他的意義的存在當然普遍性盡量能夠讓給需要的人這不只在公車上在任何地方都是應該要互相幫忙是好我們希望就是說不是只是改名字而已啦應該是要多宣傳然後讓需要的人不只是在這個優先席或博愛座在其他的位置其實大家都可以這樣子理讓給需要的人\n好的,是,謝謝,謝謝委員長好,市長市長要補充 委員剛好,對於老人福利機構平建那邊的配套措施,我再補充一點現在就是說,如果這個如果通過的話我們下一次,中央的這一個老人福利機構的平建是116年所以116年就可以開始試用這第二點,第二點,因為每四年一次嘛第二,地方這邊如果有其他的,有他們自己置平的話也試用這個辦法,以上兩點補充,謝謝好,謝謝\n好 謝謝洪偉 謝謝部長 次長那接下來請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.828 --> 00:08.189\n謝謝主席我們請部長來請邱部長委員好部長好部長我先就今天這個要修這個老人福利法第48條的條文修正草案的部分那我記得在去年的時候我有邀請這個呂次長到地方跟所有的住宿機構大家做一個\n\n00:33.158 --> 00:53.404\n這個協調因為我們知道就是說我們所有的老人福利機構他的評鑑是原本是有分那個等地就是甲乙丙丁那一般的這個長照機構的評鑑是用這個合格跟不合格那會造成我們所有住宿機構的一些困擾\n\n00:54.124 --> 01:22.877\n那當時地方的這些機構他們認為就是說所有的這個住宿機構各類的住宿機構的評鑑應該是要一致所以我們看到就是說衛福部在這一次有提出來就是有關這個老人福利法第48條的一個修正草案那我們是樂見因為你們已經提出來那另外就是說在這個法還沒有未來通過之前可能會有一個過渡期\n\n01:23.717 --> 01:51.188\n那像這樣子的話你們會有什麼樣的因應措施郭主席主席還有非常感謝委員對於這個議題的關心我也記得是我們典禮有那個委員會非常關心我們的長照尤其我們的老人福利機構還有各項機構有相關的品質提升然後裡面委員就是機構他們那邊有提出就是說這裡面是不是可以把它簡化\n\n01:52.669 --> 02:08.668\n我們護理之家嘛還有其他我們現在那個常夫法那邊全部都是合格不合格那唯獨只有我們這個老人福利法我們老人福利機構這邊還有加一餅丁嘛那我們現在目前就是從善如流就是按照我們那個委員上次的建議還有我們就把它簡化\n\n02:09.349 --> 02:17.095\n然後讓這一個我們的這個機構可以專心來照顧我們的這一個長輩這第一點第二點我們現在目前在整個這個還是要這個整個通過還是要在這個大院這邊來來預修正合併來通過那麼在這之前我們就是來會來輔導那個各地方的業者來進化來盡量我想這個相關的評鑑的一個部分我們朝簡化的方面來輔導他們\n\n02:39.312 --> 03:03.083\n是以上謝謝好我們希望就是說我們這些老人福利機構他應該是把精神全部就是集中在照顧我們的長輩或照顧這些住民那這個評鑑的部分我覺得應該是簡化我覺得這應該是大家的一個共識那也非常感謝衛福部真的是從山如流那接下來我想請教部長就是\n\n03:04.123 --> 03:20.818\n我們今天有關這個生權法的部分那在前一陣子這個媒體上面都會有講到這個不論是公車啦捷運啦或者是我們的這個鐵路也許都會有這個優先席或者我們講的博愛座啦那後來我們認為就是說這個博愛座應該要有一些調整因為讓\n\n03:27.323 --> 03:51.961\n有需要的人來使用這個我覺得這個應該是大家的共識那我看到就是說衛福部這邊因為我們沒有看到衛福部這邊的版本可是委員的版本就是說博愛座改為優先席那博愛座改為優先席你們的我是覺得應該跟博愛座或改成優先席我是覺得都差不了多少啦\n\n03:52.802 --> 04:21.290\n那我想聽聽衛福部這邊為什麼你們會同意就是說博愛座改為優先席那你們認為說這個預期的效果會是怎樣是的因為博愛座這這麼多年來大家深耕地固的一個觀念就是老弱婦孺嘛所以才會引起可能有些人覺得我的像年輕人可能他生理期很不舒服這學生也很多啦老實講\n\n04:23.032 --> 04:30.066\n那也有一些真的身體不舒服的那這樣會引起紛爭當然我們希望\n\n04:31.101 --> 04:54.858\n我們的社會永遠都是互相關懷互相支持但是給實際上需要的人這才是核心精神那我也看到就是說我們原本的博愛座底下也有有這樣一行字就是說請優先禮讓座位給需要的旅客那可是我們現在還是會有一些爭議就是說我們在媒體上面也會看到很多也許長輩他覺得說這個博愛座應該是要優先禮讓給他\n\n04:58.399 --> 05:19.566\n所以在這個幾次的我們看到就是在去年有一個民調就是說你認為博愛桌是不是要廢除那有63%的人覺得說應該要廢除那我們今天這個有關生權法的這個部分有特別委員部分委員有提出來那我想我最想要聽就是說\n\n05:21.526 --> 05:45.951\n衛福部這邊會同意就是說有博愛座改為優先席那你們未預期的效果是會覺得說博愛座改成優先席大家看到這個優先席就會主動禮讓或者是也許會變成就像日本一樣他們現在也是用優先席啊可是他們還是有這樣的一個狀況出現啊就是說其他這個旁邊還有空位嘛那\n\n05:48.453 --> 06:07.450\n這個應該是說喬治亞駐日的這個大使他因為自己在網路上面POPO就是說他做這個捷運然後就是在上面可以很悠閒的看書可是就讓網友可能就直接對他的一些批評那我看到就是說這個上面他也是寫優先席\n\n06:09.051 --> 06:24.722\n同樣也會有這樣的一個狀況所以我想請教就是說未來台灣如果由博愛座改為優先席的話部長你認為就是說會有這種被嚴上的這樣的一個狀況會減少嗎或者是你們認為要怎麼去做會更好第一個就是謝謝委員關心指導這個議題\n\n06:33.988 --> 07:01.175\n我想既然已經這個目標就是實際上需求者那這個部分可能對老人家會覺得根深蒂固的觀念這可能需要先導那這個部分就是交通部會多元化來先導那當然這個是因為可能是沒有人做吧要就自己做我覺得不要用這樣一張圖就來代表好像\n\n07:02.075 --> 07:16.875\n他好像不懂不體貼這樣子當然是這樣子可是就是說很多可能也許網友或者是說其他的人可能對他有一些批評我今天的這個議題我最主要想要問就是說原本我們博愛做\n\n07:18.997 --> 07:33.201\n部分委員有提出來就是說改為優先席啦那衛福部這邊也寫說這個競表支持那我想聽的就是說衛福部你這邊認為不愛做改為優先席就會有這樣的這種爭議的議題就會減少嗎\n\n07:36.055 --> 07:54.385\n我相信如果宣導的好的話應該會減少爭議大家更能夠注意到其實各年齡層都有他需求的一面反而是會互相世代的一個互相照顧更加的促進世代的照顧應該是一個正向的方向\n\n07:55.165 --> 08:11.650\n我不知道说部长在你年轻的时候也许在学校可能会有一些宣导就是说看到这个需要的人或者是老人家或者是孕妇或者是需要的人看到之后即使不是在博外做的话你也会礼让\n\n08:12.430 --> 08:36.887\n也許在那個以前學校我不知道說部長有沒有這樣的經驗那現在我覺得說應該是讓所有的民眾這個有一個觀念不一定是要博愛座或是優先席只要是任何的一個位置在你的周邊的民眾有這個需要的話應該大家就是都要禮讓我覺得應該要有這樣的一個觀念我非常支持這樣的理念是\n\n08:38.968 --> 09:07.867\n而不是說你弄一個這個博愛座改為優先席會讓更多這個我是存疑啦所以大家可以討論啦另外就是說我們也在這一次就是說這個設置的比例不得低於原本就是說不得低於這個總座位數的比例15%那可能要增加到20%那我不知道說衛福部這邊的意見是怎樣\n\n09:10.185 --> 09:27.191\n我們尊重交通部的...我們一直都是在這個部分都一直尊重交通部的規劃那交通部他們有沒有什麼樣的意見?交通部有沒有意見?交通部有來?可不可以...副市長喔?對副市長來\n\n09:32.270 --> 09:59.539\n跟委員報告那其實就如董委員講的其實是優先洗的那個不愛做是給有需要的人來做那其實我們在我們覺得是重要的工作其實還是在於宣導所以其實數量其實我們一直覺得現在的食物其實已經不是問題啦就說大概也沒有所謂執行的摯愛其實在宣導工作其實我們是建議維持現行就好不需要再增加到百分之二十以上\n\n10:00.919 --> 10:26.253\n其實我剛剛的一個意見就是應該是要讓所有的民眾知道就是說不一定是在這個博愛座改為優先席一旦是有民眾有這個需求的話即使他不是博愛座不是優先席的話你還是要離讓我覺得應該是要有這樣的一個觀念存在要不然我今天如果再提一個我把這個總比例\n\n10:27.614 --> 10:46.402\n由15改為20或者是由15改為30甚至100%那我覺得這個應該也沒有多大的意義啦我覺得應該是讓需要的人都可以去做所有的位置而不是只是固定在這個博外座或者是優先席對我覺得這個優良的傳統應該是\n\n10:49.315 --> 11:07.327\n要留著啦因為這的確是會符合互相幫忙的一個所以不是說只有在不管是博愛還是優先席所有的座位理論上看到需要的人如果你自己覺得你可以的話應該是讓座這樣子是一個很好的\n\n11:08.208 --> 11:22.972\n好那我現在就是說希望衛福部或者是交通部這邊因為我也聽到就是在廣播上面他也就是也有在針對這個博愛做有做一些宣傳就是說禮讓給需要的人禮讓給需要的人所以就是不需要\n\n11:26.913 --> 11:48.127\n特意去把這個名字不外作改為優先席其實我會存疑就是說你名字改完之後那後續還是會有一些爭議啦這個是我的意見所以我希望就是說衛福部應該你們自己要提出你們自己的一個未來要怎麼讓這樣的一個爭議減少而不是只是把名稱改掉而已\n\n11:48.607 --> 12:01.002\n所以我想這個我們會持續來研究人的一個想法,譬如說如果你屈我這個就是有嫌疑這是我個人的看法,有嫌疑其他的就\n\n12:03.031 --> 12:18.230\n你就安心看書休息就不用因為有些人還是非常非常的善良擔心說有誰我沒有讓到位置我心裡不安那至少我們有一個優先席是給這些人其實這個部分\n\n12:19.071 --> 12:42.988\n也是有他的意義的存在當然普遍性盡量能夠讓給需要的人這不只在公車上在任何地方都是應該要互相幫忙是好我們希望就是說不是只是改名字而已啦應該是要多宣傳然後讓需要的人不只是在這個優先席或博愛座在其他的位置其實大家都可以這樣子理讓給需要的人\n\n12:43.168 --> 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因為這的確是會符合互相幫忙的一個所以不是說只有在不管是博愛還是優先席所有的座位理論上看到需要的人如果你自己覺得你可以的話應該是讓座這樣子是一個很好的"},{"start":668.208,"end":682.972,"text":"好那我現在就是說希望衛福部或者是交通部這邊因為我也聽到就是在廣播上面他也就是也有在針對這個博愛做有做一些宣傳就是說禮讓給需要的人禮讓給需要的人所以就是不需要"},{"start":686.913,"end":708.127,"text":"特意去把這個名字不外作改為優先席其實我會存疑就是說你名字改完之後那後續還是會有一些爭議啦這個是我的意見所以我希望就是說衛福部應該你們自己要提出你們自己的一個未來要怎麼讓這樣的一個爭議減少而不是只是把名稱改掉而已"},{"start":708.607,"end":721.002,"text":"所以我想這個我們會持續來研究人的一個想法,譬如說如果你屈我這個就是有嫌疑這是我個人的看法,有嫌疑其他的就"},{"start":723.031,"end":738.23,"text":"你就安心看書休息就不用因為有些人還是非常非常的善良擔心說有誰我沒有讓到位置我心裡不安那至少我們有一個優先席是給這些人其實這個部分"},{"start":739.071,"end":762.988,"text":"也是有他的意義的存在當然普遍性盡量能夠讓給需要的人這不只在公車上在任何地方都是應該要互相幫忙是好我們希望就是說不是只是改名字而已啦應該是要多宣傳然後讓需要的人不只是在這個優先席或博愛座在其他的位置其實大家都可以這樣子理讓給需要的人"},{"start":763.168,"end":787.447,"text":"好的,是,謝謝,謝謝委員長好,市長市長要補充 委員剛好,對於老人福利機構平建那邊的配套措施,我再補充一點現在就是說,如果這個如果通過的話我們下一次,中央的這一個老人福利機構的平建是116年所以116年就可以開始試用這第二點,第二點,因為每四年一次嘛第二,地方這邊如果有其他的,有他們自己置平的話也試用這個辦法,以上兩點補充,謝謝好,謝謝"},{"start":791.051,"end":791.513,"text":"好 謝謝洪偉 謝謝部長 次長那接下來請"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":806,"blocks":[["黃委員秀芳：（11時18分）謝謝主席，我們請部長。"],["主席：請邱部長。"],["邱部長泰源：委員好。"],["黃委員秀芳：部長好。我先就今天要修老人福利法第四十八條條文修正草案的部分，我記得去年有邀請呂次長到地方跟所有的住宿機構做協調，因為我們知道所有老人福利機構的評鑑原本是有分等第，就是甲、乙、丙、丁，一般長照機構的評鑑是用合格跟不合格，那會造成住宿機構的一些困擾。當時地方的這些機構認為各類住宿機構的評鑑應該是要一致，所以我們看到衛福部這一次有提出老人福利法第四十八條的修正草案，那我們是樂見，因為你們已經提出來。另外，在這部法未來通過之前，可能會有一個過渡期，像這樣子的話，你們會有什麼樣的因應措施？"],["邱部長泰源：請呂次長回答。"],["呂次長建德：非常感謝委員對這個議題的關心，我也記得是去年有委員非常關心我們的長照，尤其是老人福利機構及各項機構相關的品質提升，機構有提出這裡面是不是可以把它簡化，護理之家及長服法的機構全部都是合格、不合格，唯獨只有老人福利法，即老人福利機構這邊還有甲、乙、丙、丁，我們目前就是從善如流，按照委員上次的建議，就把它簡化，讓機構可以專心來照顧長輩，這是第一點。第二點，目前整個通過還是有賴大院這邊予以修正及通過，在這之前，我們會來輔導各地方的業者儘量對相關的評鑑朝簡化的方向進行。以上，謝謝。"],["黃委員秀芳：好，我們希望這些老人福利機構應該把精神全部集中在照顧長輩或是照顧這些住民。評鑑的部分，我覺得應該簡化，這應該是大家的共識，也非常感謝衛福部真的是從善如流。"],["邱部長泰源：是的。"],["黃委員秀芳：接下來我想請教部長，我們今天有關身權法的部分，前一陣子媒體上面都有講到，不論是公車、捷運或是鐵路，也許都會有優先席，或者是我們講的博愛座，後來我們認為博愛座應該要有一些調整，讓有需要的人使用，我覺得這應該是大家的共識。因為我們沒有看到衛福部這邊的版本，可是委員的版本有提到博愛座改為優先席，用博愛座或改成優先席，我覺得差不了多少啦！我想聽聽衛福部這邊的想法，為什麼你們會同意博愛座改為優先席？你們認為預期的效果會是怎樣？"],["邱部長泰源：是的，因為博愛座這麼多年來，大家根深蒂固的觀念就是老弱婦孺嘛！所以才會引起可能有些人覺得……像年輕人可能生理期很不舒服，這樣的學生也很多，老實講，也有一些真的身體不舒服的，這樣會引起紛爭，當然我們希望我們的社會永遠都是互相關懷、互相支持，但是給實際上需要的人這才是核心精神。"],["黃委員秀芳：我也看到我們原本的博愛座底下有這樣一行字，就是請優先禮讓座位給需要的旅客，可是現在還是會有一些爭議，我們在媒體上面也看到很多，也許長輩他覺得博愛座應該是要優先禮讓給他。我們看到去年有一個民調是你認為博愛座是不是要廢除，有63%的人覺得應該要廢除。我們今天有關身權法的這個部分，有部分委員提出來，我想我最想要聽的是衛福部這邊會同意博愛座改為優先席，你們預期的效果是覺得博愛座改成優先席，大家看到優先席就會主動禮讓，或者是也許會變成像日本一樣？日本現在也是用優先席，可是他們還是有這樣的狀況出現，就是旁邊還有空位，應該是說喬治亞駐日的大使，他因為自己在網路上面po他坐捷運，在上面可以很悠閒地看書，可是就有網友直接對他做一些批評，就是上面寫優先席同樣也會有這樣的狀況。所以我想請教，未來臺灣如果由博愛座改為優先席的話，部長，你認為這種被「炎上」的狀況會減少嗎？或者是你們認為要怎麼做會更好？"],["邱部長泰源：第一個，謝謝委員關心、指導這個議題，我想既然目標就是實際上的需求者，這個部分可能有老人家有根深蒂固的觀念，這可能需要宣導啦，這個部分就是交通部會多元化來宣導。當然這個是因為可能是沒有人坐，他就坐了，我覺得不要用這樣一張圖就代表好像他不體貼這樣子，有時候整個車廂都沒人。"],["黃委員秀芳：當然是這樣子，可是可能很多網友或者其他的人對他有一些批評。我今天的這個議題最主要想要問，原本是博愛座，有部分委員提出改為優先席，衛福部這邊也寫說敬表支持，我想聽的就是衛福部這邊認為博愛座改為優先席，這種爭議就會減少嗎？"],["邱部長泰源：我相信如果宣導得好的話應該會減少爭議，大家更能夠注意到其實各年齡層都有他需求的一面，反而是世代間的互相照顧，更加促進世代的照顧，應該是一個正向的方向。"],["黃委員秀芳：我不知道部長在你年輕的時候，也許在學校會有一些宣導，就是看到需要的人或者是老人家或者是孕婦，看到之後即使不是在博愛座的話你也會禮讓，也許以前學校……"],["邱部長泰源：當然、當然。"],["黃委員秀芳：我不知道部長有沒有這樣的經驗，現在我覺得應該是讓所有的民眾有一個觀念，不一定是博愛座或者是優先席，只要是任何一個位置，在你周邊的民眾有需要的話，應該大家都要禮讓，我覺得應該要有這樣的觀念。"],["邱部長泰源：我非常支持這樣的理念。"],["黃委員秀芳：而不是弄一個博愛座改為優先席，會讓更多……這個我是存疑啦！大家可以討論。另外，我們也在這一次，設置的比例原本是不得低於總座位數的比例15%，可能要增加到20%，我不知道衛福部這邊的意見是怎樣？"],["邱部長泰源：我們尊重交通部，我們在這個部分都一直尊重交通部的規劃。"],["黃委員秀芳：交通部他們有沒有什麼樣的意見？"],["邱部長泰源：交通部有來，可不可以……"],["主席：副司長來。"],["胡副司長廸琦：跟委員報告，就如同委員講的，博愛座是給有需要的人來坐，我們覺得重要的工作其實還是在於宣導，所以我們一直覺得現在的15%已經不是問題了，就是大概也沒有所謂執行的窒礙，其實是宣導工作，我們是建議維持現行就好，不需要再增加到20%，以上。"],["黃委員秀芳：其實我剛剛的意見應該是要讓所有的民眾知道，不一定是博愛座改為優先席，而是一旦有民眾有這個需求的話，即使它不是博愛座、不是優先席，你還是要禮讓。我覺得應該是要有這樣的觀念存在，要不然我今天如果再提一個把總比例由15%改為20%，或者是由15%改為30%甚至100%，我覺得這應該也沒有多大的意義。我覺得應該是讓需要的人都可以去坐所有的位置，而不只是固定在博愛座或者是優先席。"],["邱部長泰源：對，我覺得這個優良的傳統應該是要留著啦，因為這的確也符合互相幫忙的，所以不管是博愛座或優先席，所有的座位，理論上看到需要的人，如果你自己覺得你可以的話，應該是讓座，是一個很好的……"],["黃委員秀芳：我現在是希望衛福部或者是交通部這邊，因為我也聽到在廣播上面也有在針對博愛座做一些宣傳，就是禮讓給需要的人，所以不需要特意去把博愛座改為優先席。其實我會存疑的是名字改完之後，後續還是會有一些爭議，這個是我的意見，所以我希望衛福部你們自己應該要提出你們自己未來要怎麼讓這樣的爭議減少，而不只是把名稱改掉而已。"],["邱部長泰源：所以委員，我想我們會仔細來研究人的想法，譬如說如果你區隔這個就是優先席，這是我個人的看法，其他的就不用……等於你坐了就可以安心看書或是休息，因為有些人還是非常非常善良，擔心有誰需要而我沒有讓位，我心裡不安，至少我們有一個優先席是給這些人，其實這個部分也是有它的意義存在，當然普遍性儘量能夠讓給需要的人，這不只在公車上，在任何地方都是應該要互相幫忙。"],["黃委員秀芳：好，我們希望不只是改名字而已，應該是要多宣傳，然後讓需要的人不只是在優先席或博愛座，在其他的位置，其實大家都可以這樣子禮讓給需要的人。"],["邱部長泰源：好的，謝謝委員。"],["黃委員秀芳：次長要補充？"],["呂次長建德：委員剛剛提到老人福利機構評鑑那邊的配套措施，我再補充一點，現在就是如果這個通過的話，下一次中央對老人福利機構的評鑑是116年，所以116年就可以開始適用，這是第一點，因為每4年一次。第二點，地方這邊如果有其他自己的自評的話，也適用這個辦法。以上兩點補充，謝謝。"],["黃委員秀芳：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝黃委員、謝謝部長、次長。接下來請涂權吉委員來做詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":118,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-18","speakers":["劉建國","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","王育敏","廖偉翔","蘇清泉","黃秀芳","涂權吉","王正旭","陳培瑜","范雲","陳瑩","楊曜","謝龍介","楊瓊瓔","葉元之"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-06-23"],"gazette_id":"1146302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146302_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查(一)委員劉建國等17人擬具「老人福利法第四十八條條文修正草案」案、(二)台灣民眾\n黨黨團擬具「老人福利法第四十八條條文修正草案」案；二、審查( 一) 委員許宇甄等18 人擬具\n「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「身心障礙\n者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員林月琴等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障\n法第五十三條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員陳菁徽等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三\n條條文修正草案」案、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草\n案」案、(六)委員范雲等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案、(七)\n委員邱若華等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案【提案第11006882\n號】、(八)委員魯明哲等19人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案、(九)\n委員傅崐萁等24人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案、(十)委員洪孟楷\n等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員邱若華等17人擬\n具「身心障礙者權益保障法第五十三條條文修正草案」案【提案第11010755號】；三、審查(一)\n委員范雲等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案、(二)委員郭昱晴等19人擬\n具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十六條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員何欣純等17人擬具「身心障礙\n者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案、(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第三\n十八條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員陳冠廷等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第二條、第五十\n三條及第九十九條條文修正草案」案、(六)委員徐富癸等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第十\n條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(八)委員黃捷等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員\n王鴻薇等20人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案、(十)委員柯志恩等\n18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條之一條文草案」案、(十一)委員柯志恩等17人擬\n具「身心障礙者權益保障法第六十條之一條文修正草案」案、(十二)委員馬文君等19人擬具「身\n心障礙者權益保障法第三十條之一、第五十條及第五十二條條文修正草案」案、(十三)委員廖偉\n翔等21人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第五十條之一條文草案」案、(十四)委員廖偉翔等19\n人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案、(十五)委員林楚茵等20人擬具「身心障\n礙者權益保障法第十條條文修正草案」案、(十六)委員陳菁徽等16人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障\n法部分條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員洪孟楷等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法增訂第四十條\n之一條文草案」案、(十八)委員羅美玲等16人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(十九)委員陳俊宇等18人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案、(二\n十)委員林楚茵等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委\n員劉建國等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案、(二十二)委員邱若\n華等17人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法第七十一條條文修正草案」案、(二十三)委員劉建國等17\n人擬具「身心障礙者權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案【第一案至第三案採綜合詢答；本日僅處\n理第一案及第二案】","agenda_id":"1146302_00001"}}}