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00:03:04,747\n次長也說有立案偵查就會辦有些都起訴了有些都關人了這裡面包含罷免吳思瑤跟吳佩儀兩位委員大搜索大羈押包含黃綠主委還有其實很多的國民黨的黨部主委現在都被關起來那吳思瑤是幾份呢2674份\n\n9\n00:03:07,649 --> 00:03:24,644\n吳佩奕2537份辦得風風火火辦到已經起訴辦到已經羈押那麼所以我剛才說像我們現在以星期五所公布的數字高達157000多份所以這樣子的一個這麼嚴重的違規所以次長你認為該不該辦\n\n10\n00:03:34,552 --> 00:03:49,397\n館長我想檢查機關只要收到告訴告發或有其他具體的事證都會依法來偵辦因為法務部是做法務行政所以我們對於這些案子我們不會去干涉指示或是有具體任何的\n\n11\n00:03:50,277 --> 00:04:15,882\n好非常好一定不能是看顏色來辦案一定要應該一視同仁那在這邊呢我就直接再跟法務部再來做告發來我們下一頁我剛才講到的是總體的是超過15萬7千多份好那我們在這一次看到這個大罷免大羈押大搜索\n\n12\n00:04:17,362 --> 00:04:36,510\n辦到很多是說有這麼多死亡連署偽造連署這個當然要辦那我就直接來跟我們法部來做告發譬如說在星期五公佈的丁學忠委員的案子死亡連署高達27人偽造連署高達298份\n\n13\n00:04:44,195 --> 00:05:07,794\n副官企委員也是一樣連署前死亡人數14人那麼江啟臣江啟臣還沒有成案但是江啟臣連署前死亡人數已經高達44人另外呢也是還有劉浩委員還沒有成案而他的連署前死亡人數就高達56人\n\n14\n00:05:10,456 --> 00:05:31,229\n那當然我們這邊當然希望中選會能夠一視同仁的來做告發來做舉報但是呢因為中選會呢可能慢半拍因為現在呢其實已經進入了大罷免那比較有這個特別比較有那個爭議性的是江啟臣跟游浩委員兩位委員他們還在補件當中\n\n15\n00:05:35,131 --> 00:05:39,655\n按照辦吳思瑤辦吳沛毅的一個潛力的話那麼應該中選會應該立即告罰八部檢調應該立刻偵辦我是說比照雙吳吳思瑤吳沛毅同樣的江啟臣游浩也是一樣前面兩位已經呈案了但是呢也應該要辦\n\n16\n00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:27,969\n那麼還沒有成案的更需要辦要更需要比照無私藥無配意來辦那麼請問一下次長同不同意我想委員每個個案他的具體的犯罪事實的偵查要由個案具體承辦的檢察官他去依法來調查認定那所以說我們在程序上一定會這個所有中選會有來告發因為他是上禮拜五現在是禮拜一假設他有我們都會用同樣的程序來辦理\n\n17\n00:06:28,829 --> 00:06:35,835\n一定要用同樣程序來辦因為吳思堯吳佩儀在連署當中過去中選會這次是第一次在連署過程中他就告發是由審辦的檢察官來決定不要跟我講這些啦所有審辦檢察官笨藍的時候笨藍營連署的時候呢都風風火火十萬火急\n\n18\n00:06:53,470 --> 00:06:57,374\n然後現在呢就要拖拖拉拉嗎這個就是變成選擇性辦案那另外我在這邊也要特別提到因為這一次我們在選罷法裡面我想因為這個\n\n19\n00:07:09,364 --> 00:07:35,744\n市長選舉經驗也很豐富在選罷法裡面其實明明白白的規定第一階段的提議人不能夠充當第二階段的連署人這個是法有明文規定您也是這個法律背景但是在這一次的罷免案裡面大量充斥第一階段的提議人在裡面充數\n\n20\n00:07:38,206 --> 00:08:01,641\n而且呢他的比例幾乎全面的高達八成以上全面喔他不是有些人高有些人低不是喔全面高達八成以上而且呢有一些委員的第一階段提議人去變成第二階段連署人的比例還在九成以上比如說羅志強委員賴士寶委員我個人呢也高達八十八趴好所以這個就奇怪了\n\n21\n00:08:07,885 --> 00:08:31,319\n照例講每一個霸團有些多有些少這個是比較合理全面都在八成以上如果我沒有記錯都在八成五以上所以這是不是形容聯合違規組織犯罪我想這個中選會是主管這個法規他有他的說明了那當然個案中檢察官自己可以再去認定全面都八成以上\n\n22\n00:08:32,957 --> 00:08:41,602\n這不是聯合行為嗎這個不是我們我們不是法定的主管機構又是因為罷免國民黨的立委不忍苛責\n\n23\n00:08:44,801 --> 00:09:04,645\n沒事中選會在說這是組織犯罪請問一下全部的霸團30多個霸團同樣的有志一同的把這些提議人全部塞成第二階段的連署人這難道不是一個聯合行為跟組織行為嗎好時間暫停一下我請一下我們的矯正署周署長\n\n24\n00:09:13,935 --> 00:09:14,136\n請周署長\n\n25\n00:09:18,427 --> 00:09:46,664\n我們在上個星期特別提到有關於我們現在在監獄環境其實有一些很多的問題而且是大家通案的問題就是我們的收容人數太多然後呢我們的相關的就介護人員不足還有一些心理輔導的不足那麼我們在這三天就是這一個禮拜\n\n26\n00:09:47,984 --> 00:10:10,251\n即便我們有專題報告但是呢短短三天就出現了兩起的攻擊事件這個包含台東的東城監獄裡面呢出現了他去那個看診護理師呢結果呢他就是拿筆去攻擊護理師攻擊他的臉攻擊他的脖子說這個是情緒失控\n\n27\n00:10:10,891 --> 00:10:24,541\n好那在6月9號呢也一樣這是同寢室的受刑人也不知道為什麼結果就打起來了打到對方疑似骨折他意思就是說睡覺的時候互相干擾\n\n28\n00:10:27,063 --> 00:10:47,468\n那麼署長現在天氣越來越炎熱我覺得這也是我們在監獄管理裡面一個非常大的一個考驗對不對天氣越來越炎熱老師說了在監獄裡面幾個人擠成一團可能都是彪形大漢\n\n29\n00:10:49,028 --> 00:11:09,706\n睡覺也會碰碰撞撞走路也會碰碰撞撞我們其實即便我們在冷氣房裡面也難免這麼天氣熱也都會心浮氣躁所以我想請教一下在這一段氣候越來越炎熱的時候我們有沒有一些特別有什麼辦法\n\n30\n00:11:11,407 --> 00:11:25,920\n來做讓我們的受刑人在情緒管理上他不要受到這樣的氣候炎熱的影響我們降低像我剛才講的短短幾天三天就出現兩起的暴力事件更不要說我們之前討論的\n\n31\n00:11:28,282 --> 00:11:41,354\n這個介護人員還要求要求這個受刑人給他口交的事情那個是很嚴重啦那這個是受刑人自己的情緒失控這有沒有什麼辦法先來做一些改善\n\n32\n00:11:42,538 --> 00:12:02,805\n報告委員天氣炎熱確實會跟囚情有相關所以我們各矯正機關在夏天的時候在六日會比如說給發給受刑人那個所謂的礦泉水結冰的礦泉水給他們做散熱用\n\n33\n00:12:03,405 --> 00:12:17,323\n只有6日喔另外就是我們在所謂的三餐我們會一個禮拜有一次給他吃例如說綠豆湯退火的會有這一些安排\n\n34\n00:12:19,277 --> 00:12:36,587\n這個部分啦那當然那一個禮拜只有一餐退伙一次大概是一個禮拜一次啦那另外六天不可能每天吃啦一個禮拜會有一次我覺得看怎麼樣其實這問題還是在於我們是在太極中我最近收到一個台東太原監獄受刑人\n\n35\n00:12:37,247 --> 00:12:58,599\n他裡面講的洋洋灑灑很多啦裡面包含這個其實這個長期我覺得你們一定要非常小心就在監獄裡面買東西特別貴而且物價非常地問題這個另外一個他特別提到今年初發生了一個事件喔那麼他們因為吃了那個香腸整個烤得黑黑的這樣子\n\n36\n00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:12,067\n然後吃完之後呢大家集體的上吐下瀉非常嚴重後來變成所謂的諾魯病毒可是他們認為自己是食物中毒不是諾魯病毒等於是把它講成是一個好像只是只是病毒感染事件那我要講就剛才講\n\n37\n00:13:18,971 --> 00:13:36,754\n夏天天氣炎熱除了情緒管理之外在飲食衛生上要特別特別的注意這麼多人一個寢室裡面六個人四個人在那邊上吐下瀉上吐下瀉你就知道原來衛生的環境就非常非常差\n\n38\n00:13:37,575 --> 00:14:01,503\n然後那會更差所以在這段時間是我們一個非常大的考驗有一些我們剛講基本的問題他也許不是短時間他就可以解決我們希望你能夠改善你們能夠改善但是呢在因為這個氣候的因素還有就是在夏季衛生食品的管理也拜託能夠多費一些心好不好\n\n39\n00:14:01,903 --> 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睡覺的時候互相干擾\n627063\t647468\t那麼署長現在天氣越來越炎熱我覺得這也是我們在監獄管理裡面一個非常大的一個考驗對不對天氣越來越炎熱老師說了在監獄裡面幾個人擠成一團可能都是彪形大漢\n649028\t669706\t睡覺也會碰碰撞撞走路也會碰碰撞撞我們其實即便我們在冷氣房裡面也難免這麼天氣熱也都會心浮氣躁所以我想請教一下在這一段氣候越來越炎熱的時候我們有沒有一些特別有什麼辦法\n671407\t685920\t來做讓我們的受刑人在情緒管理上他不要受到這樣的氣候炎熱的影響我們降低像我剛才講的短短幾天三天就出現兩起的暴力事件更不要說我們之前討論的\n688282\t701354\t這個介護人員還要求要求這個受刑人給他口交的事情那個是很嚴重啦那這個是受刑人自己的情緒失控這有沒有什麼辦法先來做一些改善\n702538\t722805\t報告委員天氣炎熱確實會跟囚情有相關所以我們各矯正機關在夏天的時候在六日會比如說給發給受刑人那個所謂的礦泉水結冰的礦泉水給他們做散熱用\n723405\t737323\t只有6日喔另外就是我們在所謂的三餐我們會一個禮拜有一次給他吃例如說綠豆湯退火的會有這一些安排\n739277\t756587\t這個部分啦 那當然那一個禮拜只有一餐退伙一次大概是一個禮拜一次啦那另外六天不可能每天吃啦 一個禮拜會有一次我覺得看怎麼樣其實這問題還是在於我們是在太極中我最近收到一個台東太原監獄受刑人\n757247\t778599\t他裡面講的洋洋灑灑很多啦裡面包含 這個其實這個長期我覺得你們一定要非常小心就在監獄裡面買東西特別貴而且物價非常地問題這個 另外一個他特別提到今年初發生了一個事件喔那麼他們因為吃了那個香腸整個烤得黑黑的這樣子\n779600\t792067\t然後吃完之後呢大家集體的上吐下瀉非常嚴重後來變成所謂的諾魯病毒可是他們認為自己是食物中毒不是諾魯病毒等於是把它講成是一個好像只是只是病毒感染事件那我要講就剛才講\n798971\t816754\t夏天天氣炎熱除了情緒管理之外在飲食衛生上要特別特別的注意這麼多人一個寢室裡面六個人四個人在那邊上吐下瀉上吐下瀉你就知道原來衛生的環境就非常非常差\n817575\t841503\t然後那會更差所以在這段時間是我們一個非常大的考驗有一些我們剛講基本的問題他也許不是短時間他就可以解決我們希望你能夠改善你們能夠改善但是呢在因為這個氣候的因素還有就是在夏季衛生食品的管理也拜託能夠多費一些心好不好\n841903\t867997\t是 報告委員我們那個合作社都會去仿價但是仿價大概是以超商的價格不可以高於超商的價格所以你們這一部分因為這個其實我覺得他寫的不是很清楚但是他提到這一部分是所以拜託我們會去留意是不是確實有高於不要跑監獄裡面價格就翻倍了這個是絕對不能容許的好不好是好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席,我先請法務部次長\n市長 先請教一下中選會在4月15日說 受到61件罷免案其中41件涉嫌偽造 還有往生者連署都以寒轉最高檢查署告發我想請問一下法務部目前現在偵辦的進度如何 已經全部偵查完畢了嗎\n我想這個每個個案都不一樣有的偵辦進入都不相同我是說每個案子 因為這裡沒有很多案每個案子的偵辦進入都不相同有的已經起訴如報紙所登載所以基本上對於如果受到告發包含偽照還有\n就是死人連署 亡生者連署我們法務部都會辦都會 這個地檢署如果有收到相關的情資或是說這個遺訟告發我們都會立案偵辦一定會辦好 那我希望\n我們整個的司法偵辦不能夠辦藍不辦綠 不能選擇顏色辦案市長同意嗎我想沒有這種情形 一定會公平的處理那麼在上個星期五在當晚的時候 中選會就公布了被罷免的立法委員在第二階段連署人的查對結果\n結果呢 移購罷免的案件數是31案不符合規定的人數高達157226份平均每個案子違規人數高達5071份 超過5000份平均一個案子都超過5000份 這非常\n多在過去呢我印象裡面就是當時郭台銘去選總統的時候5270多份那個時候大家已經嚇到了有這麼多的違規的這個份數但是呢你可以看到這個只是平均喔平均都超過5000份好那麼剛才\n次長也說 有立案 偵查就會辦有些都起訴了 有些都關人了這裡面包含罷免吳思瑤跟吳佩儀兩位委員大搜索 大羈押包含黃綠主委 還有其實很多的國民黨的黨部主委現在都被關起來那吳思瑤是幾份呢 2674份\n吳佩奕2537份 辦得風風火火辦到已經起訴 辦到已經羈押那麼 所以我剛才說像我們現在以星期五所公布的數字高達157000多份所以這樣子的一個這麼嚴重的違規所以次長你認為該不該辦\n館長我想檢查機關只要收到告訴告發或有其他具體的事證都會依法來偵辦因為法務部是做法務行政所以我們對於這些案子我們不會去干涉指示或是有具體任何的\n好 非常好 一定不能是看顏色來辦案一定要 應該一視同仁那在這邊呢 我就直接再跟法務部再來做告發來 我們下一頁 我剛才講到的是總體的是超過15萬7千多份好 那我們在這一次看到這個大罷免 大羈押 大搜索\n辦到很多是說 有這麼多死亡連署 偽造連署這個當然要辦 那我就直接來跟我們法部來做告發譬如說在星期五公佈的丁學忠委員的案子死亡連署高達27人 偽造連署高達298份\n副官企委員也是一樣 連署前死亡人數14人那麼江啟臣 江啟臣還沒有成案但是江啟臣連署前死亡人數已經高達44人另外呢 也是還有劉浩委員 還沒有成案而他的連署前死亡人數就高達56人\n那當然我們這邊當然希望中選會能夠一視同仁的來做告發來做舉報但是呢因為中選會呢可能慢半拍因為現在呢其實已經進入了大罷免那比較有這個特別比較有那個爭議性的是江啟臣跟游浩委員兩位委員他們還在補件當中\n按照辦吳思瑤 辦吳沛毅的一個潛力的話那麼應該 中選會應該立即告罰八部檢調應該立刻偵辦我是說比照 雙吳 吳思瑤 吳沛毅同樣的江啟臣 游浩也是一樣前面兩位已經呈案了但是呢 也應該要辦\n那麼還沒有成案的更需要辦要更需要比照無私藥無配意來辦那麼請問一下次長同不同意我想委員每個個案他的具體的犯罪事實的偵查要由個案具體承辦的檢察官他去依法來調查認定那所以說我們在程序上一定會這個所有中選會有來告發因為他是上禮拜五現在是禮拜一假設他有我們都會用同樣的程序來辦理\n一定要用同樣程序來辦 因為吳思堯 吳佩儀在連署當中過去中選會 這次是第一次在連署過程中他就告發是由審辦的檢察官來決定 不要跟我講這些啦所有審辦檢察官笨藍的時候笨藍營連署的時候呢 都風風火火 十萬火急\n然後現在呢 就要拖拖拉拉嗎這個就是變成選擇性辦案那另外 我在這邊也要特別提到因為這一次我們在選罷法裡面我想因為這個\n市長選舉經驗也很豐富在選罷法裡面其實明明白白的規定第一階段的提議人不能夠充當第二階段的連署人這個是法有明文規定 您也是這個法律背景但是在這一次的罷免案裡面大量充斥第一階段的提議人在裡面充數\n而且呢他的比例幾乎全面的高達八成以上全面喔他不是有些人高有些人低不是喔全面高達八成以上而且呢有一些委員的第一階段提議人去變成第二階段連署人的比例還在九成以上比如說羅志強委員賴士寶委員我個人呢也高達八十八趴好所以這個就奇怪了\n照例講每一個霸團有些多有些少這個是比較合理全面都在八成以上如果我沒有記錯都在八成五以上所以這是不是形容聯合違規組織犯罪我想這個中選會是主管這個法規他有他的說明了那當然個案中檢察官自己可以再去認定全面都八成以上\n這不是聯合行為嗎這個不是我們我們不是法定的主管機構又是因為罷免國民黨的立委不忍苛責\n沒事中選會在說這是組織犯罪 請問一下全部的霸團30多個霸團同樣的有志一同的把這些提議人全部塞成第二階段的連署人這難道不是一個聯合行為跟組織行為嗎好 時間暫停一下 我請一下我們的矯正署 周署長\n請周署長\n我們在上個星期特別提到有關於我們現在在監獄環境其實有一些很多的問題而且是大家通案的問題就是我們的收容人數太多然後呢我們的相關的就介護人員不足還有一些心理輔導的不足那麼我們在這三天就是這一個禮拜\n即便我們有專題報告但是呢短短三天就出現了兩起的攻擊事件這個包含台東的東城監獄裡面呢出現了他去那個看診護理師呢結果呢他就是拿筆去攻擊護理師攻擊他的臉攻擊他的脖子說這個是情緒失控\n好 那在6月9號呢 也一樣 這是同寢室的受刑人也不知道為什麼 結果就打起來了打到對方疑似骨折他意思就是說 睡覺的時候互相干擾\n那麼署長現在天氣越來越炎熱我覺得這也是我們在監獄管理裡面一個非常大的一個考驗對不對天氣越來越炎熱老師說了在監獄裡面幾個人擠成一團可能都是彪形大漢\n睡覺也會碰碰撞撞走路也會碰碰撞撞我們其實即便我們在冷氣房裡面也難免這麼天氣熱也都會心浮氣躁所以我想請教一下在這一段氣候越來越炎熱的時候我們有沒有一些特別有什麼辦法\n來做讓我們的受刑人在情緒管理上他不要受到這樣的氣候炎熱的影響我們降低像我剛才講的短短幾天三天就出現兩起的暴力事件更不要說我們之前討論的\n這個介護人員還要求要求這個受刑人給他口交的事情那個是很嚴重啦那這個是受刑人自己的情緒失控這有沒有什麼辦法先來做一些改善\n報告委員天氣炎熱確實會跟囚情有相關所以我們各矯正機關在夏天的時候在六日會比如說給發給受刑人那個所謂的礦泉水結冰的礦泉水給他們做散熱用\n只有6日喔另外就是我們在所謂的三餐我們會一個禮拜有一次給他吃例如說綠豆湯退火的會有這一些安排\n這個部分啦 那當然那一個禮拜只有一餐退伙一次大概是一個禮拜一次啦那另外六天不可能每天吃啦 一個禮拜會有一次我覺得看怎麼樣其實這問題還是在於我們是在太極中我最近收到一個台東太原監獄受刑人\n他裡面講的洋洋灑灑很多啦裡面包含 這個其實這個長期我覺得你們一定要非常小心就在監獄裡面買東西特別貴而且物價非常地問題這個 另外一個他特別提到今年初發生了一個事件喔那麼他們因為吃了那個香腸整個烤得黑黑的這樣子\n然後吃完之後呢大家集體的上吐下瀉非常嚴重後來變成所謂的諾魯病毒可是他們認為自己是食物中毒不是諾魯病毒等於是把它講成是一個好像只是只是病毒感染事件那我要講就剛才講\n夏天天氣炎熱除了情緒管理之外在飲食衛生上要特別特別的注意這麼多人一個寢室裡面六個人四個人在那邊上吐下瀉上吐下瀉你就知道原來衛生的環境就非常非常差\n然後那會更差所以在這段時間是我們一個非常大的考驗有一些我們剛講基本的問題他也許不是短時間他就可以解決我們希望你能夠改善你們能夠改善但是呢在因為這個氣候的因素還有就是在夏季衛生食品的管理也拜託能夠多費一些心好不好\n是 報告委員我們那個合作社都會去仿價但是仿價大概是以超商的價格不可以高於超商的價格所以你們這一部分因為這個其實我覺得他寫的不是很清楚但是他提到這一部分是所以拜託我們會去留意是不是確實有高於不要跑監獄裡面價格就翻倍了這個是絕對不能容許的好不好是好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.633 --> 00:17.756\n好,謝謝主席,我先請法務部次長\n\n00:24.385 --> 00:46.623\n市長先請教一下中選會在4月15日說受到61件罷免案其中41件涉嫌偽造還有往生者連署都以寒轉最高檢查署告發我想請問一下法務部目前現在偵辦的進度如何已經全部偵查完畢了嗎\n\n00:51.232 --> 01:11.810\n我想這個每個個案都不一樣有的偵辦進入都不相同我是說每個案子因為這裡沒有很多案每個案子的偵辦進入都不相同有的已經起訴如報紙所登載所以基本上對於如果受到告發包含偽照還有\n\n01:12.991 --> 01:23.022\n就是死人連署亡生者連署我們法務部都會辦都會這個地檢署如果有收到相關的情資或是說這個遺訟告發我們都會立案偵辦一定會辦好那我希望\n\n01:28.487 --> 01:33.729\n我們整個的司法偵辦不能夠辦藍不辦綠不能選擇顏色辦案市長同意嗎我想沒有這種情形一定會公平的處理那麼在上個星期五在當晚的時候中選會就公布了被罷免的立法委員在第二階段連署人的查對結果\n\n01:53.438 --> 02:08.769\n結果呢移購罷免的案件數是31案不符合規定的人數高達157226份平均每個案子違規人數高達5071份超過5000份平均一個案子都超過5000份這非常\n\n02:16.374 --> 02:38.348\n多在過去呢我印象裡面就是當時郭台銘去選總統的時候5270多份那個時候大家已經嚇到了有這麼多的違規的這個份數但是呢你可以看到這個只是平均喔平均都超過5000份好那麼剛才\n\n02:42.330 --> 03:04.747\n次長也說有立案偵查就會辦有些都起訴了有些都關人了這裡面包含罷免吳思瑤跟吳佩儀兩位委員大搜索大羈押包含黃綠主委還有其實很多的國民黨的黨部主委現在都被關起來那吳思瑤是幾份呢2674份\n\n03:07.649 --> 03:24.644\n吳佩奕2537份辦得風風火火辦到已經起訴辦到已經羈押那麼所以我剛才說像我們現在以星期五所公布的數字高達157000多份所以這樣子的一個這麼嚴重的違規所以次長你認為該不該辦\n\n03:34.552 --> 03:49.397\n館長我想檢查機關只要收到告訴告發或有其他具體的事證都會依法來偵辦因為法務部是做法務行政所以我們對於這些案子我們不會去干涉指示或是有具體任何的\n\n03:50.277 --> 04:15.882\n好非常好一定不能是看顏色來辦案一定要應該一視同仁那在這邊呢我就直接再跟法務部再來做告發來我們下一頁我剛才講到的是總體的是超過15萬7千多份好那我們在這一次看到這個大罷免大羈押大搜索\n\n04:17.362 --> 04:36.510\n辦到很多是說有這麼多死亡連署偽造連署這個當然要辦那我就直接來跟我們法部來做告發譬如說在星期五公佈的丁學忠委員的案子死亡連署高達27人偽造連署高達298份\n\n04:44.195 --> 05:07.794\n副官企委員也是一樣連署前死亡人數14人那麼江啟臣江啟臣還沒有成案但是江啟臣連署前死亡人數已經高達44人另外呢也是還有劉浩委員還沒有成案而他的連署前死亡人數就高達56人\n\n05:10.456 --> 05:31.229\n那當然我們這邊當然希望中選會能夠一視同仁的來做告發來做舉報但是呢因為中選會呢可能慢半拍因為現在呢其實已經進入了大罷免那比較有這個特別比較有那個爭議性的是江啟臣跟游浩委員兩位委員他們還在補件當中\n\n05:35.131 --> 05:39.655\n按照辦吳思瑤辦吳沛毅的一個潛力的話那麼應該中選會應該立即告罰八部檢調應該立刻偵辦我是說比照雙吳吳思瑤吳沛毅同樣的江啟臣游浩也是一樣前面兩位已經呈案了但是呢也應該要辦\n\n05:59.750 --> 06:27.969\n那麼還沒有成案的更需要辦要更需要比照無私藥無配意來辦那麼請問一下次長同不同意我想委員每個個案他的具體的犯罪事實的偵查要由個案具體承辦的檢察官他去依法來調查認定那所以說我們在程序上一定會這個所有中選會有來告發因為他是上禮拜五現在是禮拜一假設他有我們都會用同樣的程序來辦理\n\n06:28.829 --> 06:35.835\n一定要用同樣程序來辦因為吳思堯吳佩儀在連署當中過去中選會這次是第一次在連署過程中他就告發是由審辦的檢察官來決定不要跟我講這些啦所有審辦檢察官笨藍的時候笨藍營連署的時候呢都風風火火十萬火急\n\n06:53.470 --> 06:57.374\n然後現在呢就要拖拖拉拉嗎這個就是變成選擇性辦案那另外我在這邊也要特別提到因為這一次我們在選罷法裡面我想因為這個\n\n07:09.364 --> 07:35.744\n市長選舉經驗也很豐富在選罷法裡面其實明明白白的規定第一階段的提議人不能夠充當第二階段的連署人這個是法有明文規定您也是這個法律背景但是在這一次的罷免案裡面大量充斥第一階段的提議人在裡面充數\n\n07:38.206 --> 08:01.641\n而且呢他的比例幾乎全面的高達八成以上全面喔他不是有些人高有些人低不是喔全面高達八成以上而且呢有一些委員的第一階段提議人去變成第二階段連署人的比例還在九成以上比如說羅志強委員賴士寶委員我個人呢也高達八十八趴好所以這個就奇怪了\n\n08:07.885 --> 08:31.319\n照例講每一個霸團有些多有些少這個是比較合理全面都在八成以上如果我沒有記錯都在八成五以上所以這是不是形容聯合違規組織犯罪我想這個中選會是主管這個法規他有他的說明了那當然個案中檢察官自己可以再去認定全面都八成以上\n\n08:32.957 --> 08:41.602\n這不是聯合行為嗎這個不是我們我們不是法定的主管機構又是因為罷免國民黨的立委不忍苛責\n\n08:44.801 --> 09:04.645\n沒事中選會在說這是組織犯罪請問一下全部的霸團30多個霸團同樣的有志一同的把這些提議人全部塞成第二階段的連署人這難道不是一個聯合行為跟組織行為嗎好時間暫停一下我請一下我們的矯正署周署長\n\n09:13.935 --> 09:14.136\n請周署長\n\n09:18.427 --> 09:46.664\n我們在上個星期特別提到有關於我們現在在監獄環境其實有一些很多的問題而且是大家通案的問題就是我們的收容人數太多然後呢我們的相關的就介護人員不足還有一些心理輔導的不足那麼我們在這三天就是這一個禮拜\n\n09:47.984 --> 10:10.251\n即便我們有專題報告但是呢短短三天就出現了兩起的攻擊事件這個包含台東的東城監獄裡面呢出現了他去那個看診護理師呢結果呢他就是拿筆去攻擊護理師攻擊他的臉攻擊他的脖子說這個是情緒失控\n\n10:10.891 --> 10:24.541\n好那在6月9號呢也一樣這是同寢室的受刑人也不知道為什麼結果就打起來了打到對方疑似骨折他意思就是說睡覺的時候互相干擾\n\n10:27.063 --> 10:47.468\n那麼署長現在天氣越來越炎熱我覺得這也是我們在監獄管理裡面一個非常大的一個考驗對不對天氣越來越炎熱老師說了在監獄裡面幾個人擠成一團可能都是彪形大漢\n\n10:49.028 --> 11:09.706\n睡覺也會碰碰撞撞走路也會碰碰撞撞我們其實即便我們在冷氣房裡面也難免這麼天氣熱也都會心浮氣躁所以我想請教一下在這一段氣候越來越炎熱的時候我們有沒有一些特別有什麼辦法\n\n11:11.407 --> 11:25.920\n來做讓我們的受刑人在情緒管理上他不要受到這樣的氣候炎熱的影響我們降低像我剛才講的短短幾天三天就出現兩起的暴力事件更不要說我們之前討論的\n\n11:28.282 --> 11:41.354\n這個介護人員還要求要求這個受刑人給他口交的事情那個是很嚴重啦那這個是受刑人自己的情緒失控這有沒有什麼辦法先來做一些改善\n\n11:42.538 --> 12:02.805\n報告委員天氣炎熱確實會跟囚情有相關所以我們各矯正機關在夏天的時候在六日會比如說給發給受刑人那個所謂的礦泉水結冰的礦泉水給他們做散熱用\n\n12:03.405 --> 12:17.323\n只有6日喔另外就是我們在所謂的三餐我們會一個禮拜有一次給他吃例如說綠豆湯退火的會有這一些安排\n\n12:19.277 --> 12:36.587\n這個部分啦那當然那一個禮拜只有一餐退伙一次大概是一個禮拜一次啦那另外六天不可能每天吃啦一個禮拜會有一次我覺得看怎麼樣其實這問題還是在於我們是在太極中我最近收到一個台東太原監獄受刑人\n\n12:37.247 --> 12:58.599\n他裡面講的洋洋灑灑很多啦裡面包含這個其實這個長期我覺得你們一定要非常小心就在監獄裡面買東西特別貴而且物價非常地問題這個另外一個他特別提到今年初發生了一個事件喔那麼他們因為吃了那個香腸整個烤得黑黑的這樣子\n\n12:59.600 --> 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