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00:01:59,926\n其實還有高齡化這個問題其實他們的層次都是在行政院的層次因為這個是我們未來長期發展非常重要的課題所以這些跨部會的議題現在是由相關的政務委員在督導各部會來推動那您本身不是又是政務委員嗎國發會的主委政務委員來兼國發會的主委\n\n6\n00:02:05,592 --> 00:02:21,497\n那所以就是這個國發會主委現在就完全不負責相關的政策因為在這裡譬如說你們在今天報告裡面有寫到高齡社會白皮書高齡社會白皮書當時的主筆單位是主筆機關是哪一個機關是國發會嗎應該不是啦應該不是好那本席要講的就是說因為依照你們自己國發會組織法裡面的規定其實人力資源發展政策它應該是一個全面性的\n\n7\n00:02:36,529 --> 00:02:55,838\n一个政策的规划那现在呢看起来像总统府跟行政院的内部就是组织叠床架屋又成立了很多的各式各样不同的委员会或是顾问会推动小组等等那反而是架空了你们国发会的原来的这个执掌所以现在国发会到底扮演什么样的功能\n\n8\n00:02:56,258 --> 00:03:18,045\n其實並不會這樣子啦,跟委員報告,譬如說本會劉組委他是政務委員但是行政院政務委員有好幾位,他們都各自有分工那以本會為例,劉組委在擔任政務委員他主要的分工是像經濟、像財政、金融等等那剛剛提到的少子化、高齡化的分工上,目前可能是以陳時中、陳政委為主導\n\n9\n00:03:19,005 --> 00:03:36,540\n所以這些那很多要落實到各部會執行的時候那這個時候就有各部會他要做的事情那有些統籌協調的工作譬如說或者像公共建設計畫審議等等那這個本會當然責無旁貸好的了解了那現在我要講的就是說因為國發會你不要忘記其實過去在這個\n\n10\n00:03:39,682 --> 00:04:03,499\n在国民党执政时代国发会都是非常重要的一个机关它会针对整个国家的发展不管是在经济、社会、卫福还有人力产业发展等等都会提出非常精辟的联系报告然后提出很好的政策但是曾经核实这个国发会看起来功能已经越来越弱而且都会被一些非法定组织\n\n11\n00:04:04,679 --> 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