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00:02:58,136\n所以這是國內的人才要留住啊國內的人才的部分其實我們也從幾個面向來處理啦譬如說有關AI這些人才的需求那我們透過擴展國內的教育STEM人才的培育重點的領域學校領域人才在國內你在講國外沒有沒有我現在提到是說國內的AI人才的部分那我們也會加強的培育讓他們在國內有良好的這個可以發揮的這樣子的一個環境\n\n9\n00:02:59,196 --> 00:03:20,461\n所以你要積極把人才國內人才要留住啦不要一直吸引外國人才忽略了我們國內的人才好不好還有根據我們看到現在都是高齡化要重返職場嘛因為我們人的勞動力缺乏所以你們有舉辦一個這個中高齡及高齡者及高齡就業的促進法所以讓我們高齡者可以\n\n10\n00:03:24,301 --> 00:03:51,941\n回到職場上工作但是你看到在我們的該法規的34條裡面他大概都提到說是臨時性的短期性的跟季節性或者分部分的工時這樣子的情形會衍生的就像很多人印象中認為高齡者大概都是兼職的很臨時性的甚至在我們職場上看到你們有點霸凌的就對年齡的歧視的問題這點你要怎麼樣去解決呢\n\n11\n00:03:54,151 --> 00:04:08,777\n謝謝委員我想我們在推動中高齡對於我們的未來的勞動力其實非常非常重要所以我想應該不會只僅限於上面提到的臨時性可是目前大概都是兼職的臨時性季節性的所以你要趕快的橫向溝通像勞動部的話你如果去跟他協調溝通\n\n12\n00:04:12,578 --> 00:04:33,901\n解決這種產生出來的矛盾性其實我了解勞動部他有針對企業來加強有關於中高齡如果回企業就業的時候甚至二度就業的時候在很多工作上或者是環境上要怎麼提供他們一個比較好的方式讓他們可以發揮所長那這點勞動部他已經在跟很多企業在推動這方面的做法\n\n13\n00:04:34,521 --> 00:05:01,123\n是所以因為你們鼓勵他們能夠重返職場去就業但是職場上給他們就有產生的這種兼職啦或年齡的這個歧視這個等等問題這個你要去解決好不好那才可以鼓勵他們的才能才能繼續在我們的職場上貢獻好不好好那接下來就是要請教謝謝你我們先來請交通部的林次長林次長\n\n14\n00:05:04,188 --> 00:05:04,376\n谢谢\n\n15\n00:05:09,113 --> 00:05:33,729\n市長今天大家都有談到這高齡駕車的這個風險性那尤其是交通部也規定了在這個執照上已經下降從75歲下降到70歲那未來都對除了體格的檢驗以外檢查以外還會針對以危險的感知跟交通安全的這個教育在這方面的話我們看到現在目前來講的話我們要讓高齡者\n\n16\n00:05:37,111 --> 00:05:56,839\n你的鼓勵高齡者要繳回這個駕照所以你每邊的預算要來補助像通勤的月票但是不是每個地方都像都會地區大車非常方便那偏遠地區的話他們就不方便所以這個不是全面性要這樣做雖然是鼓勵啦但是我們還可以一個方面就是說看如果去避開這個降低這個高年齡的這個\n\n17\n00:06:00,821 --> 00:06:27,340\n開車的造勢這個風險譬如說我們看到日本日本有一個方案就是說加裝防霧彩油門的這個系統我們是不是可以比照日本來做這個因應的措施包委員這個案子我們部內跟工作局大概在這幾個月內會去討論討論多久我們可以借盡日本的方式最有安全的做法也不\n\n18\n00:06:31,982 --> 00:06:42,649\n跟委員報告一下確實就是委員所提到在日本就是有這種防物材油門的部分它是做外加的部分所以目前我們也在針對目前我們在針對日本這樣子的一個系統來做這個\n\n19\n00:06:48,973 --> 00:07:13,770\n所以好好的去研究我們三個月會完成分析這個方案如果可行的話趕快推行好不好是我們三個月完成分析還有接下來就是說我們看到我們交通部的統計的資料最近這十年的交通事故的占比來講的話18歲到24歲是比較年輕的人但是最主要的還是成年人在25到64歲是比較多所以我們看到一個考到駕照是18歲來講的話他到換照75歲這中間有57年的時間\n\n20\n00:07:19,793 --> 00:07:35,578\n這57年時間我們要如何去讓他重新授訓讓他的技術更加的純熟在這個部分的話我們不能等到發生交通事故你再來亡羊補牢叫他來的時候上個道安課程所以我們可以未以籌募了什麼方式來處理呢\n\n21\n00:07:36,277 --> 00:08:00,649\n高委員我麻煩供應司跟委員報告目前大概就是18歲考慮你駕駛執照之後以目前的一個規定的話到這一個75歲要做換照那剛剛委員也有關切到57年時間你們都沒有做一些防範措施然後在中間的過程當中在中間的過程當中就透過這個祭典還有違規的這些相關的那個就是像大安課程一樣對對對這個大安獎\n\n22\n00:08:05,693 --> 00:08:13,302\n這個這樣講法的話我本席是不能接受的啦我們看到國際上很多的其他的國家都有回訊的方式\n\n23\n00:08:14,703 --> 00:08:40,611\n所以現在有了駕照之後的話聽了很久沒有開車然後隔了五年十年開車之後他的技術可不可以忘記了或者重新檢驗了他的訓練這個可以考量的所以這個部分的話你看日本也有啊韓國也有啊部長提出那個駕照管理三策略那其中第二項就是要建立這個那個回訊的制度來這個提高所以你沒有準備要做回訊紀錄你連回訊一次\n\n24\n00:08:43,512 --> 00:09:11,971\n這個部分的話我們針對高風險會來建立這個火線的一個這個制度本席提醒你不要完全針對高風險特別有提醒你到25到65歲最是交通事故是最高的所以你真的從不把針對高風險是不對的我需要舉例告訴你有些人好多家都沒有開車停了很久在這個部分的話我們就是也要來考慮說有回訊的資質不能完全針對高風險高年齡的人\n\n25\n00:09:13,513 --> 00:09:19,778\n跟護委員報告不是針對高年齡的部分其實這個回訊制度我們回訊制度的部分其實就是針對剛剛委員所關切的24到64歲之間這些相關就是說我們講的不偏屬於高齡駕駛者這一塊我們現在在研議這個這個三個月我們會完成這個研議好這些都是我們防範未來的一些措施\n\n26\n00:09:40,876 --> 00:09:45,250\n讓我們交通事故降低這才是我們大家最關心的好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4283\t7929\t主席 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忽略了我們國內的人才好不好還有根據我們看到現在都是高齡化要重返職場嘛因為我們人的勞動力缺乏所以你們有舉辦一個這個中高齡及高齡者及高齡就業的促進法所以讓我們高齡者可以\n204301\t231941\t回到職場上工作但是你看到在我們的該法規的34條裡面他大概都提到說是臨時性的短期性的跟季節性或者分部分的工時這樣子的情形會衍生的就像很多人印象中認為高齡者大概都是兼職的很臨時性的甚至在我們職場上看到你們有點霸凌的就對年齡的歧視的問題這點你要怎麼樣去解決呢\n234151\t248777\t謝謝委員我想我們在推動中高齡對於我們的未來的勞動力其實非常非常重要所以我想應該不會只僅限於上面提到的臨時性可是目前大概都是兼職的臨時性 季節性的所以你要趕快的橫向溝通像勞動部的話你如果去跟他協調溝通\n252578\t273901\t解決這種產生出來的矛盾性其實我了解勞動部他有針對企業來加強有關於中高齡如果回企業就業的時候甚至二度就業的時候在很多工作上或者是環境上要怎麼提供他們一個比較好的方式讓他們可以發揮所長那這點勞動部他已經在跟很多企業在推動這方面的做法\n274521\t301123\t是 所以因為你們鼓勵他們能夠重返職場去就業但是職場上給他們就有產生的這種兼職啦或年齡的這個歧視這個等等問題這個你要去解決好不好那才可以鼓勵他們的才能才能繼續在我們的職場上貢獻好不好好那接下來就是要請教謝謝你我們先來請交通部的林次長林次長\n304188\t304376\t谢谢\n309113\t333729\t市長今天大家都有談到這高齡駕車的這個風險性那尤其是交通部也規定了在這個執照上已經下降從75歲下降到70歲那未來都對除了體格的檢驗以外檢查以外還會針對以危險的感知跟交通安全的這個教育在這方面的話我們看到現在目前來講的話我們要讓高齡者\n337111\t356839\t你的鼓勵高齡者要繳回這個駕照所以你每邊的預算要來補助像通勤的月票但是不是每個地方都像都會地區大車非常方便那偏遠地區的話他們就不方便所以這個不是全面性要這樣做雖然是鼓勵啦但是我們還可以一個方面就是說看如果去避開這個降低這個高年齡的這個\n360821\t387340\t開車的造勢這個風險譬如說我們看到日本日本有一個方案就是說加裝防霧彩油門的這個系統我們是不是可以比照日本來做這個因應的措施包委員這個案子我們部內跟工作局大概在這幾個月內會去討論討論多久我們可以借盡日本的方式最有安全的做法也不\n391982\t402649\t跟委員報告一下 確實就是委員所提到在日本就是有這種防物材油門的部分它是做外加的部分所以目前我們也在針對目前我們在針對日本這樣子的一個系統來做這個\n408973\t433770\t所以好好的去研究我們三個月會完成分析這個方案如果可行的話趕快推行好不好是 我們三個月完成分析還有接下來就是說我們看到我們交通部的統計的資料最近這十年的交通事故的占比來講的話18歲到24歲是比較年輕的人但是最主要的還是成年人在25到64歲是比較多所以我們看到一個考到駕照是18歲來講的話他到換照75歲這中間有57年的時間\n439793\t455578\t這57年時間我們要如何去讓他重新授訓讓他的技術更加的純熟在這個部分的話我們不能等到發生交通事故你再來亡羊補牢叫他來的時候上個道安課程所以我們可以未以籌募了什麼方式來處理呢\n456277\t480649\t高委員我麻煩供應司跟委員報告目前大概就是18歲考慮你駕駛執照之後以目前的一個規定的話到這一個75歲要做換照那剛剛委員也有關切到57年時間你們都沒有做一些防範措施然後在中間的過程當中在中間的過程當中就透過這個祭典還有違規的這些相關的那個就是像大安課程一樣對對對這個大安獎\n485693\t493302\t這個這樣講法的話我本席是不能接受的啦我們看到國際上很多的其他的國家都有回訊的方式\n494703\t520611\t所以現在有了駕照之後的話聽了很久沒有開車然後隔了五年十年開車之後他的技術可不可以忘記了或者重新檢驗了他的訓練這個可以考量的所以這個部分的話你看日本也有啊 韓國也有啊部長提出那個駕照管理三策略那其中第二項就是要建立這個那個回訊的制度來這個提高所以你沒有準備要做回訊紀錄你連回訊一次\n523512\t551971\t這個部分的話我們針對高風險會來建立這個火線的一個這個制度本席提醒你不要完全針對高風險特別有提醒你到25到65歲最是交通事故是最高的所以你真的從不把針對高風險是不對的我需要舉例告訴你有些人好多家都沒有開車停了很久在這個部分的話我們就是也要來考慮說有回訊的資質不能完全針對高風險高年齡的人\n553513\t559778\t跟護委員報告不是針對高年齡的部分其實這個回訊制度我們回訊制度的部分其實就是針對剛剛委員所關切的24到64歲之間這些相關就是說我們講的不偏屬於高齡駕駛者這一塊我們現在在研議這個這個三個月我們會完成這個研議好 這些都是我們防範未來的一些措施\n580876\t585250\t讓我們交通事故降低這才是我們大家最關心的 好不好好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席 請國發會的詹副主委\n我們現在台灣已經正式邁入了高齡的社會因為少子跟高齡化所以我們人口的結構變成越來越老化所以導致於我們的勞動力的不足所以現在我們在上個禮拜的話我們是排國外人才所以我們放寬了他的居住吸引他流到台灣來工作這個禮拜我們特別排了\n這個部分的話就是要關心著我們國內人才的流失尤其是我們看到我們2023年台灣到海外工作的大概有62萬人在疫情之前的話大概2019年的話有73萬到74萬人都在跑到國外去工作在這種情形之下的話我們看到我們瑞士\n洛杉磯管理學院有做一個統計在2024年這個IDM的世界人才排名裡面在全球裡面有67個國家台灣的話排名18日本的話排名43所以說這台灣還是有一定的那個競爭力可以把他攬柴那又再根據勞動部跟日本這個總務省的統計截止到今年2025年的5月份的話在\n台灣人到日本工作了大概有五萬人日本人到台灣工作了有八千五百人所以副主委你看到這種情形台灣在世界排名這麼高高於日本但是我們的台灣人卻到日本工作的人數這麼多你有什麼因應的這些做法呢\n謝謝委員 我想這個一方面可能也是因為我們企業在全球佈局的關係不過當然我們是很希望我們人才的部分當然還是希望為台灣所用無論是自己的本國人或是外國人所以塑造一個良好的這個環境是我們現在最重要的一個部份對 這種現象你們如何因應呢\n是 所以我想我們因為剛剛提到我們上禮拜排這個外國人才修法的這個報告其實就是要把我們吸引外國專業人才來台灣的環境塑造得更好\n所以這是國內的人才要留住啊國內的人才的部分其實我們也從幾個面向來處理啦譬如說有關AI這些人才的需求那我們透過擴展國內的教育STEM人才的培育重點的領域學校領域人才在國內你在講國外沒有沒有我現在提到是說國內的AI人才的部分那我們也會加強的培育讓他們在國內有良好的這個可以發揮的這樣子的一個環境\n所以你要積極把人才 國內人才要留住啦不要一直吸引外國人才 忽略了我們國內的人才好不好還有根據我們看到現在都是高齡化要重返職場嘛因為我們人的勞動力缺乏所以你們有舉辦一個這個中高齡及高齡者及高齡就業的促進法所以讓我們高齡者可以\n回到職場上工作但是你看到在我們的該法規的34條裡面他大概都提到說是臨時性的短期性的跟季節性或者分部分的工時這樣子的情形會衍生的就像很多人印象中認為高齡者大概都是兼職的很臨時性的甚至在我們職場上看到你們有點霸凌的就對年齡的歧視的問題這點你要怎麼樣去解決呢\n謝謝委員我想我們在推動中高齡對於我們的未來的勞動力其實非常非常重要所以我想應該不會只僅限於上面提到的臨時性可是目前大概都是兼職的臨時性 季節性的所以你要趕快的橫向溝通像勞動部的話你如果去跟他協調溝通\n解決這種產生出來的矛盾性其實我了解勞動部他有針對企業來加強有關於中高齡如果回企業就業的時候甚至二度就業的時候在很多工作上或者是環境上要怎麼提供他們一個比較好的方式讓他們可以發揮所長那這點勞動部他已經在跟很多企業在推動這方面的做法\n是 所以因為你們鼓勵他們能夠重返職場去就業但是職場上給他們就有產生的這種兼職啦或年齡的這個歧視這個等等問題這個你要去解決好不好那才可以鼓勵他們的才能才能繼續在我們的職場上貢獻好不好好那接下來就是要請教謝謝你我們先來請交通部的林次長林次長\n谢谢\n市長今天大家都有談到這高齡駕車的這個風險性那尤其是交通部也規定了在這個執照上已經下降從75歲下降到70歲那未來都對除了體格的檢驗以外檢查以外還會針對以危險的感知跟交通安全的這個教育在這方面的話我們看到現在目前來講的話我們要讓高齡者\n你的鼓勵高齡者要繳回這個駕照所以你每邊的預算要來補助像通勤的月票但是不是每個地方都像都會地區大車非常方便那偏遠地區的話他們就不方便所以這個不是全面性要這樣做雖然是鼓勵啦但是我們還可以一個方面就是說看如果去避開這個降低這個高年齡的這個\n開車的造勢這個風險譬如說我們看到日本日本有一個方案就是說加裝防霧彩油門的這個系統我們是不是可以比照日本來做這個因應的措施包委員這個案子我們部內跟工作局大概在這幾個月內會去討論討論多久我們可以借盡日本的方式最有安全的做法也不\n跟委員報告一下 確實就是委員所提到在日本就是有這種防物材油門的部分它是做外加的部分所以目前我們也在針對目前我們在針對日本這樣子的一個系統來做這個\n所以好好的去研究我們三個月會完成分析這個方案如果可行的話趕快推行好不好是 我們三個月完成分析還有接下來就是說我們看到我們交通部的統計的資料最近這十年的交通事故的占比來講的話18歲到24歲是比較年輕的人但是最主要的還是成年人在25到64歲是比較多所以我們看到一個考到駕照是18歲來講的話他到換照75歲這中間有57年的時間\n這57年時間我們要如何去讓他重新授訓讓他的技術更加的純熟在這個部分的話我們不能等到發生交通事故你再來亡羊補牢叫他來的時候上個道安課程所以我們可以未以籌募了什麼方式來處理呢\n高委員我麻煩供應司跟委員報告目前大概就是18歲考慮你駕駛執照之後以目前的一個規定的話到這一個75歲要做換照那剛剛委員也有關切到57年時間你們都沒有做一些防範措施然後在中間的過程當中在中間的過程當中就透過這個祭典還有違規的這些相關的那個就是像大安課程一樣對對對這個大安獎\n這個這樣講法的話我本席是不能接受的啦我們看到國際上很多的其他的國家都有回訊的方式\n所以現在有了駕照之後的話聽了很久沒有開車然後隔了五年十年開車之後他的技術可不可以忘記了或者重新檢驗了他的訓練這個可以考量的所以這個部分的話你看日本也有啊 韓國也有啊部長提出那個駕照管理三策略那其中第二項就是要建立這個那個回訊的制度來這個提高所以你沒有準備要做回訊紀錄你連回訊一次\n這個部分的話我們針對高風險會來建立這個火線的一個這個制度本席提醒你不要完全針對高風險特別有提醒你到25到65歲最是交通事故是最高的所以你真的從不把針對高風險是不對的我需要舉例告訴你有些人好多家都沒有開車停了很久在這個部分的話我們就是也要來考慮說有回訊的資質不能完全針對高風險高年齡的人\n跟護委員報告不是針對高年齡的部分其實這個回訊制度我們回訊制度的部分其實就是針對剛剛委員所關切的24到64歲之間這些相關就是說我們講的不偏屬於高齡駕駛者這一塊我們現在在研議這個這個三個月我們會完成這個研議好 這些都是我們防範未來的一些措施\n讓我們交通事故降低這才是我們大家最關心的 好不好好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.283 --> 00:07.929\n主席請國發會的詹副主委\n\n00:16.771 --> 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