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00:02:48,794\n那么另外一个就是部长您也强调我们现在一直在强调共同图像那在这一次里面呢我们把国际的图像套叠对于美国已经公布的事件的时间配合他的飞行路径我们也做过模拟\n\n9\n00:02:49,594 --> 00:03:10,253\n在这种情况下所有被攻击的目标目前并不了解真正战损的状况因为这个都要事后才公布但是每一个精准的位置不是示意图我们都透过GIS卫星照片公开的情资做交叉比对就可以看出它的一些状况效果\n\n10\n00:03:11,124 --> 00:03:31,981\n那么现在这个中东的这个航行时间有关民航机全部扰到连以色列的航线都暂停所以证明这个风险还是仍然存在那至于没有共同图像我们很难对跨部会讨论国际事件产生一个共识所以我建议共同图像\n\n11\n00:03:32,782 --> 00:03:49,371\n國防部有方法論也有機構但是你最後展示出來圖像要用套疊要用不同的國際圖空圖海圖航圖路圖衛照圖分析結果套疊上去可以產生一個比較客觀的參考圖像那最後就是談到這個波斯灣跟這個荷姆茲海峽\n\n12\n00:03:55,219 --> 00:04:11,011\n那我今天早晨這是23號的當時海峽的商船動態還有民航機那麼今天早上7點半我再把海峽的船跟民航機的動次套疊上去因為這是動態的是Flightradar24如果\n\n13\n00:04:12,340 --> 00:04:29,627\n研究單位有這個東西的話是可以隨時提供長官因為從民航機的改變航向恢復恢復的航向可以判斷情勢是否已經緩和那另外一個就是有關這個荷姆茲海峽實際上它海峽是進口出口航線是非常的這個狹窄\n\n14\n00:04:30,928 --> 00:04:45,853\n那當初伊朗說關閉荷姆斯海峽不只對他自己也是經濟的衝擊他最主要是擺個姿態對美國講我把你在巴林的第五艦隊封鎖了你出不來他有很多的政治意涵那實際上現在還沒有封鎖\n\n15\n00:04:48,214 --> 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謝謝謝謝委員指教\n","txt":"時間很緊湊而且今天探討國際情勢的議題也是非常聳動這個週末以來全世界關注的就是這個\n美国跟以色列对伊朗核能设施的攻击那么我想部长在这个事件中间从你宏观的角度作为哪些可以作为我们国防精进的建言您个人有何看法\n我想如果說就這一次相關的以色列跟伊朗的這樣的一個行動還有美國這樣的一個行動我們應該可以看出來還是有很多的戰術戰法然後還有相關的欺敵的這些作為都可以作為我們借鏡的地方所以我們今天做這個表特別把它針對性的目標方法手段以及目前現階段看的戰果階段性的結果\n當前美國是說這個伊朗跟以色列都願意進行的停火協議但是呢雙方仍然有報復性或反制性的作為這個過程呢還是在向前推進但真正的國際風險是不是就此解除了\n我們還要觀察我下面用一個方法論提供這個部裡面同仁做參考因為單一的動次像次我們在兵推過程中間並不是由一般性的人員就是分組討論就產生的一個結果\n所以我們要運用方法論你必須從八個面向主觀客觀為觀宏觀樂觀悲觀前瞻反思再配合國際情勢是單方的雙方的長期的短期的有沒有武裝衝突法戰爭法有沒有碰到天災這些因素產生對每一個動詞裡面我們少則可以產生32個參考因素\n那麼再去探討目的方法手段這是一種工具論方法論這個東西現在已經結合進入了AI的系統了所以我建議以後的兵推不是只是分組討論寫出一個綜合意見要用方法論的分析這個可以提供大家一個節約時間短期內就得到一個比較可靠的參考案而不是最佳方案\n那么另外一个就是部长您也强调我们现在一直在强调共同图像那在这一次里面呢我们把国际的图像套叠对于美国已经公布的事件的时间配合他的飞行路径我们也做过模拟\n在这种情况下所有被攻击的目标目前并不了解真正战损的状况因为这个都要事后才公布但是每一个精准的位置不是示意图我们都透过GIS卫星照片公开的情资做交叉比对就可以看出它的一些状况效果\n那么现在这个中东的这个航行时间有关民航机全部扰到连以色列的航线都暂停所以证明这个风险还是仍然存在那至于没有共同图像我们很难对跨部会讨论国际事件产生一个共识所以我建议共同图像\n國防部有方法論也有機構但是你最後展示出來圖像要用套疊要用不同的國際圖空圖海圖航圖路圖衛照圖分析結果套疊上去可以產生一個比較客觀的參考圖像那最後就是談到這個波斯灣跟這個荷姆茲海峽\n那我今天早晨這是23號的當時海峽的商船動態還有民航機那麼今天早上7點半我再把海峽的船跟民航機的動次套疊上去因為這是動態的是Flight radar24如果\n研究單位有這個東西的話是可以隨時提供長官因為從民航機的改變航向恢復恢復的航向可以判斷情勢是否已經緩和那另外一個就是有關這個荷姆茲海峽實際上它海峽是進口出口航線是非常的這個狹窄\n那當初伊朗說關閉荷姆斯海峽不只對他自己也是經濟的衝擊他最主要是擺個姿態對美國講我把你在巴林的第五艦隊封鎖了你出不來他有很多的政治意涵那實際上現在還沒有封鎖\n那这个就是说他特别因为他跟巴林他跟卡达是这个友好邦交所以他通知卡达我要打这个中央军指挥部的中央指挥部的那个机场事先通知了也就撤离了14枚飞弹拦截了13枚另外一枚也没有造成损伤但这些东西呢都工具工情跟卫照做比对那最后一个就是英国的政府在24号公布了国家安全\n里面在21节提到台湾有4点讲到台海南海问题了我相信这个东西我们的部内同仁赶快把它研读我也建议我们国防部外交部在国安团队里面建议我们的政府国家安全战略必须有公开版当然有机密版这个让全民有一个共识了解哪些地方我要努力哪些地方要有精进哪些地方在时间人力预算上都有限\n不過要用最佳方案來判斷同樣川普2.0的國安戰略以及他的印太戰略我們在等待他出來這裡面對台灣他會講到什麼這個我們要做預應不是做反應這個請部長您做一點指導是\n我想關於整個印太戰略,迄今為止我們可以看到相關包括美國國防部長在內的說明,他們應該還是要長期來看還是要將整個資源投注在印太地區,印太地區的和平穩定\n仍然是全球所關注的焦點而且也是美國的核心利益所以他們要以嚇阻來維持台海地區甚至整個印太地區的和平穩定我想這是他們現在的一個基本戰略\n好 謝謝我特別這邊也請梁二次長協助其他的聯參或是學校單位尤其是學校很多的圖教材還是舊的希望把共同圖像的觀念導入國防大學更新教材這個大家來努力好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝委員指教\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.110 --> 00:14.117\n時間很緊湊而且今天探討國際情勢的議題也是非常聳動這個週末以來全世界關注的就是這個\n\n00:25.083 --> 00:41.523\n美国跟以色列对伊朗核能设施的攻击那么我想部长在这个事件中间从你宏观的角度作为哪些可以作为我们国防精进的建言您个人有何看法\n\n00:43.165 --> 01:11.468\n我想如果說就這一次相關的以色列跟伊朗的這樣的一個行動還有美國這樣的一個行動我們應該可以看出來還是有很多的戰術戰法然後還有相關的欺敵的這些作為都可以作為我們借鏡的地方所以我們今天做這個表特別把它針對性的目標方法手段以及目前現階段看的戰果階段性的結果\n\n01:12.948 --> 01:29.251\n當前美國是說這個伊朗跟以色列都願意進行的停火協議但是呢雙方仍然有報復性或反制性的作為這個過程呢還是在向前推進但真正的國際風險是不是就此解除了\n\n01:29.972 --> 01:43.164\n我們還要觀察我下面用一個方法論提供這個部裡面同仁做參考因為單一的動次像次我們在兵推過程中間並不是由一般性的人員就是分組討論就產生的一個結果\n\n01:45.166 --> 02:06.213\n所以我們要運用方法論你必須從八個面向主觀客觀為觀宏觀樂觀悲觀前瞻反思再配合國際情勢是單方的雙方的長期的短期的有沒有武裝衝突法戰爭法有沒有碰到天災這些因素產生對每一個動詞裡面我們少則可以產生32個參考因素\n\n02:08.325 --> 02:31.696\n那麼再去探討目的方法手段這是一種工具論方法論這個東西現在已經結合進入了AI的系統了所以我建議以後的兵推不是只是分組討論寫出一個綜合意見要用方法論的分析這個可以提供大家一個節約時間短期內就得到一個比較可靠的參考案而不是最佳方案\n\n02:32.503 --> 02:48.794\n那么另外一个就是部长您也强调我们现在一直在强调共同图像那在这一次里面呢我们把国际的图像套叠对于美国已经公布的事件的时间配合他的飞行路径我们也做过模拟\n\n02:49.594 --> 03:10.253\n在这种情况下所有被攻击的目标目前并不了解真正战损的状况因为这个都要事后才公布但是每一个精准的位置不是示意图我们都透过GIS卫星照片公开的情资做交叉比对就可以看出它的一些状况效果\n\n03:11.124 --> 03:31.981\n那么现在这个中东的这个航行时间有关民航机全部扰到连以色列的航线都暂停所以证明这个风险还是仍然存在那至于没有共同图像我们很难对跨部会讨论国际事件产生一个共识所以我建议共同图像\n\n03:32.782 --> 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