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00:01:58,855\n空平的交通的空平的監測站為什麼這樣提像環境環境權保障基金會他們就提到說如果按照台中市的空氣污染物的排放清澈來看的話交通空污事實上是台中主要的空污來源主要的來源之一可是為什麼只有設這樣子的做的固定的可是完全\n\n6\n00:01:59,505 --> 00:02:28,309\n又沒有交通的空瓶的那個監測站顯然跟台中市移動污染源的份量不成比例所以想問市長到底要不要評估增殺跟委員報告其實我們有注意到這個問題因為過去可能台中市政府都把重點放在一個固定污染源去只要管制好那個污染源讓所有的空氣品質都改善其實不然那這個報告也告訴我們說移動式的污染源其實才是我們應該要關心要注意的\n\n7\n00:02:28,749 --> 00:02:46,748\n那一開始我也有報告說全國設了78個空品建設站是環境部設的地方政府有34個啊如果地方政府覺得重要地方政府可以加設這個我想台北市就設了三個交通站嘛那我要跟委員報告說沒有關係PM0.1這個部分現在是歐盟明年開始要撤了\n\n8\n00:02:47,369 --> 00:03:11,742\n但是我們現在會在台中市的我們在什麼地方呢我們在台灣大道車輛最多的那個台灣大道我們在西屯站會各設一個那針對PM0.1的部分有了這個監測資料之後我們就可以開始找出這一個污染的來源然後找出對策因為我覺得這很重要都已經事實上從他們的排放清澈裡面也看出來\n\n9\n00:03:12,582 --> 00:03:40,804\n交通空污事實上是台中最主要污染的來源之一我就要趕快去做處理那同樣的就現在環境部事實上剛剛我們陳昭志委員有提到說整個大概只有設一共設六站那應該看起來是不夠嘛而且比較偏向北部所以我想問說你現在設置的評估標準是什麼否則為什麼就是只有六站可是今天又提到交通空污這部分事實上\n\n10\n00:03:41,243 --> 00:04:04,759\n也是好來源之一的話那整個台灣裡面難道只有北部的交通空污是比較嚴重嗎就委員報告就是說我們過去的78站的設置主要都是在靠近工業區的部分跟我們民生影響有比較大的地方大家重視就是工廠排放黑煙嘛但想法都是這樣設置的那台北本來就是工廠會跟中南部比起來是相對少\n\n11\n00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:33,004\n那反而是交通的部分是比較頻繁的所以台北市會設比較多的交通站過去這個是合乎邏輯的但是今天我們已經開始發現到交通的污染源已經串到上面的時候我們就要去做一些對策的改變所以交通車站未來一定是我們會去重視的特別是今天這個議題召委主持的這個會議上面我們對PM0.1的部分要開始關注了\n\n12\n00:04:33,504 --> 00:04:55,790\n未來會要納入到超細懸浮微粒的監測是可能嗎那今天環境部的大專案報告當中也指出就是說更細的超細懸浮微粒對兒童健康的事實上是有潛在風險其實更應該被重視我想提醒部長三月次長這邊\n\n13\n00:04:57,030 --> 00:05:24,472\n3月17號我第一次質詢校園空屋的時候就提到你們要三個月交資料給我到上週你們的確給我的正式公文就簡簡單單的大概就這麼一頁我問了四個提向要你們做的東西就這樣子然後基本上環境部的內容就是把查到的資料再貼一次然後再告訴我一次說有開會\n\n14\n00:05:25,447 --> 00:05:51,001\n準備調查那4月17日事實上我也是再度的有在質詢同樣的議題可是同樣的也是得到的資料就是這麼的簡單部長上個月我跟地球公民基金會一起開了一個記者會那民間單位靠Google地圖跟開放資料就先把特殊性的工業區的周邊的學校都盤點出來了那我期待張子我期待是\n\n15\n00:05:51,781 --> 00:06:18,991\n環境部是不是可以盤點的更完整更有行動可是人家簡單的用Google就可以盤那我不知道你們盤了三個月還不能盤然後給我一個A4一張的公文裡邊交代四項我期待的要做的事情那像這樣的你可以看到像這樣的學校五百公尺就有超過四千五百個小朋友在這些學校要上學那旁邊是大車不斷經過海景林石化廠\n\n16\n00:06:19,691 --> 00:06:34,345\n不管是PM2.5還是PM0.1破裂風險都很高所以今天要問次長的是就環境部目前的規劃以這幾間我就說不要談太多就以這幾間學校為例吧你們怎麼打算加強怎麼打算加強防護啊\n\n17\n00:06:37,529 --> 00:06:56,357\n跟委員報告一下我們簡單講就是說其實今天在座的有很多部會都跟我們這個議題有相關我們提出了一個如何降低校園空氣污染的影響我們有四成的一個防護跟委員報告第一層防護我們要跟教育部合作今天邱副市長也提出\n\n18\n00:06:56,357 --> 00:07:00,319\n還有能不能比照現在現行法規裡面的健康風險評估技術規範把降低環境風險水準當成目標來面對學校的狀況每天孩子都生活在那邊他必須要上學\n\n19\n00:07:17,935 --> 00:07:44,534\n之前就一直在提醒你們所以每一個月幾乎有通話環境部的我都來質詢這一個提向所以也請你們是不是應該要注意到能不能還給孩子一個很好的空氣的一個學校環境所以次長我知道你事實上是你們整個環境部都是願意做事的人可是有些規劃部裡邊也有在進行我針對你們提出來的校園五大防護也有提出建議\n\n20\n00:07:45,441 --> 00:08:05,727\n那希望你們這邊能夠盯緊一點至少優先分級列管特殊性我覺得先不要要求太多那至少特殊性工業區附近風險明顯的學校以學生健康為主的一個排序所以次長這個工廠周邊的校園盤點跟應對鏡\n\n21\n00:08:08,228 --> 00:08:31,721\n策略到底什麼時候會完整如果民間團體用Google表徵都可以盤得出來那不知道你們盤出來因為盤出來才後面有對應策略嗎跟委員報告我們已經盤出來有18個學校那我們會跟環保團體這邊再來開會然後提出一個管制的策略然後我們會及時的跟委員這邊做一個報告可是我也要提醒因為特殊性工業區現在問題是社區跟\n\n22\n00:08:34,682 --> 00:09:02,410\n那個校園的學生師生對當地污染的實際狀況都缺乏知情權他們並不是了解到整個的狀況所以除了更友善易懂的監測資訊主動接入可不可以在上課期間只要監測到空污異常超標的話就要及時通知學校讓學生這時候這個時間至少先不要到戶外活動來保護健康所以這樣這部分要做到有沒有困難\n\n23\n00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:31,655\n就是你現在現階段不可能很立即的那至少可不可以讓學生這時候師生都知道先減少戶外的一個活動如果一監測到馬上通知學校有辦法做到嗎是這個本來就是在防護的機制裡面要共同去做的這一項就是說從外部監測到的一個是從學校裡面自己發現的部分那立即跟當地的環保局怎麼樣去連結通報這個很重要那如果是從外部監測到的當然要提醒這個我們會要求\n\n24\n00:09:32,355 --> 00:10:01,314\n所以接下來我也會針對那些學校來瞭解說你們在做什麼還有我當初我們辦公室就提出你的五大防護那我們提出四項那也所以希望你們在學校空通報的列管追蹤機制還有裝設空氣濾鏡防護設備的效益跟設施裝設標準那也儘快說明一個月內然後要給我答案不要再給我的東西事實上是複製貼上的東西我對那些東西我\n\n25\n00:10:02,705 --> 00:10:23,442\n看了幾遍了在這幾天又連續的有高溫根據衛福部的資料大概今年五月熱傷害的人數比去年同期增加了六成那現在六月都還沒有結束單月的熱傷害的人數就逼近四百人所以我現在還是要關心的是環境部的抗高溫政策\n\n26\n00:10:24,122 --> 00:10:36,023\n究竟要跟怎麼跟社福系統對接因為上次我提過無家者安置機構甚至弱勢家庭他們事實上對於抗高溫這件事情事實上是\n\n27\n00:10:36,617 --> 00:11:03,765\n難以去做處理所以我辦公室大概也一直有參與你們的相關會議包括抗高溫的對策的大會也有了解到你們跟社福團體有開會的內容所以想問次長你針對於我們的能源貧窮的問題要透過內政部的大數據來鎖定政策對象能不能具體說明一下你們所說的大數據要怎麼去比對出能源貧窮的對象\n\n28\n00:11:05,711 --> 00:11:22,322\n我請我們蔡署長說明一下跟委員說明我們現在首先是因為包括衛福部他們已經有這個包括這個就是弱勢的這些是有上面列的嗎什麼老人人口清澈獨居老人的清澈台電用電的數據\n\n29\n00:11:23,743 --> 00:11:41,842\n那這些真的可以比對的出來嗎我們現在要進行的是對於區位就是希望說在分布上面那會配合因為有這個可能會從六都縣開始對你們優先縣目前事辦的是獨居長者有特別的原因那其他族群呢\n\n30\n00:11:42,489 --> 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這個工廠周邊的校園盤點跟應對鏡\n488228\t511721\t策略到底什麼時候會完整如果民間團體用Google表徵都可以盤得出來那不知道你們盤出來因為盤出來才後面有對應策略嗎跟委員報告我們已經盤出來有18個學校那我們會跟環保團體這邊再來開會然後提出一個管制的策略然後我們會及時的跟委員這邊做一個報告可是我也要提醒因為特殊性工業區現在問題是社區跟\n514682\t542410\t那個校園的學生師生對當地污染的實際狀況都缺乏知情權他們並不是了解到整個的狀況所以除了更友善易懂的監測資訊主動接入可不可以在上課期間只要監測到空污異常超標的話就要及時通知學校讓學生這時候這個時間至少先不要到戶外活動來保護健康所以這樣這部分要做到有沒有困難\n543510\t571655\t就是你現在現階段不可能很立即的那至少可不可以讓學生這時候師生都知道先減少戶外的一個活動如果一監測到馬上通知學校有辦法做到嗎是這個本來就是在防護的機制裡面要共同去做的這一項就是說從外部監測到的一個是從學校裡面自己發現的部分那立即跟當地的環保局怎麼樣去連結通報這個很重要那如果是從外部監測到的當然要提醒這個我們會要求\n572355\t601314\t所以接下來我也會針對那些學校來瞭解說你們在做什麼還有我當初我們辦公室就提出你的五大防護那我們提出四項那也所以希望你們在學校空通報的列管追蹤機制還有裝設空氣濾鏡防護設備的效益跟設施裝設標準那也儘快說明一個月內然後要給我答案不要再給我的東西事實上是複製貼上的東西我對那些東西我\n602705\t623442\t看了幾遍了在這幾天又連續的有高溫根據衛福部的資料大概今年五月熱傷害的人數比去年同期增加了六成那現在六月都還沒有結束單月的熱傷害的人數就逼近四百人所以我現在還是要關心的是環境部的抗高溫政策\n624122\t636023\t究竟要跟怎麼跟社福系統對接因為上次我提過無家者安置機構甚至弱勢家庭他們事實上對於抗高溫這件事情事實上是\n636617\t663765\t難以去做處理所以我辦公室大概也一直有參與你們的相關會議包括抗高溫的對策的大會也有了解到你們跟社福團體有開會的內容所以想問次長你針對於我們的能源貧窮的問題要透過內政部的大數據來鎖定政策對象能不能具體說明一下你們所說的大數據要怎麼去比對出能源貧窮的對象\n665711\t682322\t我請我們蔡署長說明一下跟委員說明我們現在首先是因為包括衛福部他們已經有這個包括這個就是弱勢的這些是有上面列的嗎什麼老人人口清澈獨居老人的清澈台電用電的數據\n683743\t701842\t那這些真的可以比對的出來嗎我們現在要進行的是對於區位就是希望說在分布上面那會配合因為有這個可能會從六都縣開始對你們優先縣目前事辦的是獨居長者有特別的原因那其他族群呢\n702489\t725238\t其他族群的話我們必須還是要透過設政單位那現在有可能的是跟這個已經有資源的包括衛福部還有內政部來做討論那跟委員報告因為我們6月3號才啟動這個聯盟所以會在7月的部分趕快來把這些工作來做一個分工根據歐盟跟其他國家經驗要處理能源貧窮的最重要的\n726198\t750654\t第一步就是要清楚辨識目標族群跟實際需求因為貧窮不只是沒有錢所以所有各國政策也不會只有發錢還會配套服務跟資源所以我們前一天談的政策也都參考歐盟經驗歐盟在2023年更新的能源效率指令已經明確定義能源貧窮所以希望說我們要先定義清楚才能夠\n751474\t768087\t要找到數據是什麼,不過你定義不清楚很難做所以也要求各國要根據指引來處理民眾的基本生存跟健康需求好像這個包括像是長期欠繳能源費用的或住家環境\n768667\t785492\t耗能評估和缺乏必要節能加電這些都是一個指標所以我希望你們這邊可以納入最後想問一下次長參考歐盟台灣現在到底有沒有可以更快的去訂出我們對於能源貧窮提出清楚的定義\n786252\t806852\t還有相關的法規指引可能要相對應的趕快弄出來你剛剛提到的那個特別是那個弱勢的族群那我們一直在講太舊換新就是提高效能這個部分他們連那個最基本要太舊都沒有但你太舊之後你可以節省電費你可以提高能源效率那這個部分我們跟經濟部這邊會來我們要趕快談否則的話你們事實上有\n809794\t825229\t自己要自負額的話我覺得如果弱勢家庭他根本沒有辦法拿出來所以就不能取得簡單的一些電器用品那最後他們就是越催用越窮所以麻煩你們一個月給我相關的資料好 謝謝\n","txt":"麻煩次長有請次長委員好上午好很高興看到我們的環境部開始探討國際近來關注的超細懸浮微粒的\nPM0.1的議題了那PM0.1對健康的危害我想今年來很多國際的研究都有在做那環境部去年也編了800萬委託臺大的專業團隊在進行研究報導中大對環境部的建議從污染物偵測到內容調整到\n減少移動 污染的影響都有 在報告裡邊報告去年事實上都已經事實上是結案了現在半年過去了 針對這份研究建議環境部到底有沒有優先設定 要優先處理的項目有沒有清楚的你的執行目標跟期程因為報告裡邊很非常清楚的指出交通污染事實上是都市區\n超细悬浮为例的主要来源可是环团指出目前环境部在台中设置的5座固定式的空气品质监测站当中没有任何一个空气\n空平的 交通的空平的監測站 為什麼這樣提 像環境環境權保障基金會他們就提到說如果按照台中市的空氣污染物的排放清澈來看的話交通空污事實上是台中主要的空污來源 主要的來源之一 可是為什麼只有設這樣子的 做的固定的 可是完全\n又沒有交通的空瓶的那個監測站顯然跟台中市移動污染源的份量不成比例所以想問市長到底要不要評估增殺跟委員報告其實我們有注意到這個問題因為過去可能台中市政府都把重點放在一個固定污染源去只要管制好那個污染源讓所有的空氣品質都改善其實不然那這個報告也告訴我們說移動式的污染源其實才是我們應該要關心要注意的\n那一開始我也有報告說全國設了78個空品建設站是環境部設的地方政府有34個啊如果地方政府覺得重要地方政府可以加設這個我想台北市就設了三個交通站嘛那我要跟委員報告說沒有關係PM0.1這個部分現在是歐盟明年開始要撤了\n但是我們現在會在台中市的我們在什麼地方呢我們在台灣大道車輛最多的那個台灣大道我們在西屯站會各設一個那針對PM0.1的部分有了這個監測資料之後我們就可以開始找出這一個污染的來源然後找出對策因為我覺得這很重要都已經事實上從他們的排放清澈裡面也看出來\n交通空污事實上是台中最主要污染的來源之一我就要趕快去做處理那同樣的就現在環境部事實上剛剛我們陳昭志委員有提到說整個大概只有設一共設六站那應該看起來是不夠嘛而且比較偏向北部所以我想問說你現在設置的評估標準是什麼否則為什麼就是只有六站可是今天又提到交通空污這部分事實上\n也是好來源之一的話那整個台灣裡面難道只有北部的交通空污是比較嚴重嗎就委員報告就是說我們過去的78站的設置主要都是在靠近工業區的部分跟我們民生影響有比較大的地方大家重視就是工廠排放黑煙嘛但想法都是這樣設置的那台北本來就是工廠會跟中南部比起來是相對少\n那反而是交通的部分是比較頻繁的所以台北市會設比較多的交通站過去這個是合乎邏輯的但是今天我們已經開始發現到交通的污染源已經串到上面的時候我們就要去做一些對策的改變所以交通車站未來一定是我們會去重視的特別是今天這個議題召委主持的這個會議上面我們對PM0.1的部分要開始關注了\n未來會要納入到超細懸浮微粒的監測是可能嗎那今天環境部的大專案報告當中也指出就是說更細的超細懸浮微粒對兒童健康的事實上是有潛在風險其實更應該被重視我想提醒部長三月次長這邊\n3月17號我第一次質詢校園空屋的時候就提到你們要三個月交資料給我到上週你們的確給我的正式公文就簡簡單單的大概就這麼一頁我問了四個提向要你們做的東西就這樣子然後基本上環境部的內容就是把查到的資料再貼一次然後再告訴我一次說有開會\n準備調查那4月17日事實上我也是再度的有在質詢同樣的議題可是同樣的也是得到的資料就是這麼的簡單部長上個月我跟地球公民基金會一起開了一個記者會那民間單位靠Google地圖跟開放資料就先把特殊性的工業區的周邊的學校都盤點出來了那我期待張子我期待是\n環境部是不是可以盤點的更完整更有行動可是人家簡單的用Google就可以盤那我不知道你們盤了三個月還不能盤然後給我一個A4一張的公文裡邊交代四項我期待的要做的事情那像這樣的你可以看到像這樣的學校五百公尺就有超過四千五百個小朋友在這些學校要上學那旁邊是大車不斷經過海景林石化廠\n不管是PM2.5還是PM0.1破裂風險都很高所以今天要問次長的是就環境部目前的規劃以這幾間我就說不要談太多就以這幾間學校為例吧你們怎麼打算加強怎麼打算加強防護啊\n跟委員報告一下我們簡單講就是說其實今天在座的有很多部會都跟我們這個議題有相關我們提出了一個如何降低校園空氣污染的影響我們有四成的一個防護跟委員報告第一層防護我們要跟教育部合作今天邱副市長也提出\n還有能不能比照現在現行法規裡面的健康風險評估技術規範把降低環境風險水準當成目標來面對學校的狀況每天孩子都生活在那邊他必須要上學\n之前就一直在提醒你們所以每一個月幾乎有通話環境部的我都來質詢這一個提向所以也請你們是不是應該要注意到能不能還給孩子一個很好的空氣的一個學校環境所以次長我知道你事實上是你們整個環境部都是願意做事的人可是有些規劃部裡邊也有在進行我針對你們提出來的校園五大防護也有提出建議\n那希望你們這邊能夠盯緊一點至少優先分級列管 特殊性我覺得先不要要求太多那至少特殊性工業區附近風險明顯的學校以學生健康為主的一個排序所以次長 這個工廠周邊的校園盤點跟應對鏡\n策略到底什麼時候會完整如果民間團體用Google表徵都可以盤得出來那不知道你們盤出來因為盤出來才後面有對應策略嗎跟委員報告我們已經盤出來有18個學校那我們會跟環保團體這邊再來開會然後提出一個管制的策略然後我們會及時的跟委員這邊做一個報告可是我也要提醒因為特殊性工業區現在問題是社區跟\n那個校園的學生師生對當地污染的實際狀況都缺乏知情權他們並不是了解到整個的狀況所以除了更友善易懂的監測資訊主動接入可不可以在上課期間只要監測到空污異常超標的話就要及時通知學校讓學生這時候這個時間至少先不要到戶外活動來保護健康所以這樣這部分要做到有沒有困難\n就是你現在現階段不可能很立即的那至少可不可以讓學生這時候師生都知道先減少戶外的一個活動如果一監測到馬上通知學校有辦法做到嗎是這個本來就是在防護的機制裡面要共同去做的這一項就是說從外部監測到的一個是從學校裡面自己發現的部分那立即跟當地的環保局怎麼樣去連結通報這個很重要那如果是從外部監測到的當然要提醒這個我們會要求\n所以接下來我也會針對那些學校來瞭解說你們在做什麼還有我當初我們辦公室就提出你的五大防護那我們提出四項那也所以希望你們在學校空通報的列管追蹤機制還有裝設空氣濾鏡防護設備的效益跟設施裝設標準那也儘快說明一個月內然後要給我答案不要再給我的東西事實上是複製貼上的東西我對那些東西我\n看了幾遍了在這幾天又連續的有高溫根據衛福部的資料大概今年五月熱傷害的人數比去年同期增加了六成那現在六月都還沒有結束單月的熱傷害的人數就逼近四百人所以我現在還是要關心的是環境部的抗高溫政策\n究竟要跟怎麼跟社福系統對接因為上次我提過無家者安置機構甚至弱勢家庭他們事實上對於抗高溫這件事情事實上是\n難以去做處理所以我辦公室大概也一直有參與你們的相關會議包括抗高溫的對策的大會也有了解到你們跟社福團體有開會的內容所以想問次長你針對於我們的能源貧窮的問題要透過內政部的大數據來鎖定政策對象能不能具體說明一下你們所說的大數據要怎麼去比對出能源貧窮的對象\n我請我們蔡署長說明一下跟委員說明我們現在首先是因為包括衛福部他們已經有這個包括這個就是弱勢的這些是有上面列的嗎什麼老人人口清澈獨居老人的清澈台電用電的數據\n那這些真的可以比對的出來嗎我們現在要進行的是對於區位就是希望說在分布上面那會配合因為有這個可能會從六都縣開始對你們優先縣目前事辦的是獨居長者有特別的原因那其他族群呢\n其他族群的話我們必須還是要透過設政單位那現在有可能的是跟這個已經有資源的包括衛福部還有內政部來做討論那跟委員報告因為我們6月3號才啟動這個聯盟所以會在7月的部分趕快來把這些工作來做一個分工根據歐盟跟其他國家經驗要處理能源貧窮的最重要的\n第一步就是要清楚辨識目標族群跟實際需求因為貧窮不只是沒有錢所以所有各國政策也不會只有發錢還會配套服務跟資源所以我們前一天談的政策也都參考歐盟經驗歐盟在2023年更新的能源效率指令已經明確定義能源貧窮所以希望說我們要先定義清楚才能夠\n要找到數據是什麼,不過你定義不清楚很難做所以也要求各國要根據指引來處理民眾的基本生存跟健康需求好像這個包括像是長期欠繳能源費用的或住家環境\n耗能評估和缺乏必要節能加電這些都是一個指標所以我希望你們這邊可以納入最後想問一下次長參考歐盟台灣現在到底有沒有可以更快的去訂出我們對於能源貧窮提出清楚的定義\n還有相關的法規指引可能要相對應的趕快弄出來你剛剛提到的那個特別是那個弱勢的族群那我們一直在講太舊換新就是提高效能這個部分他們連那個最基本要太舊都沒有但你太舊之後你可以節省電費你可以提高能源效率那這個部分我們跟經濟部這邊會來我們要趕快談否則的話你們事實上有\n自己要自負額的話我覺得如果弱勢家庭他根本沒有辦法拿出來所以就不能取得簡單的一些電器用品那最後他們就是越催用越窮所以麻煩你們一個月給我相關的資料好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.973 --> 00:14.414\n麻煩次長有請次長委員好上午好很高興看到我們的環境部開始探討國際近來關注的超細懸浮微粒的\n\n00:34.534 --> 00:53.425\nPM0.1的議題了那PM0.1對健康的危害我想今年來很多國際的研究都有在做那環境部去年也編了800萬委託臺大的專業團隊在進行研究報導中大對環境部的建議從污染物偵測到內容調整到\n\n00:55.297 --> 01:21.363\n減少移動污染的影響都有在報告裡邊報告去年事實上都已經事實上是結案了現在半年過去了針對這份研究建議環境部到底有沒有優先設定要優先處理的項目有沒有清楚的你的執行目標跟期程因為報告裡邊很非常清楚的指出交通污染事實上是都市區\n\n01:22.623 --> 01:36.680\n超细悬浮为例的主要来源可是环团指出目前环境部在台中设置的5座固定式的空气品质监测站当中没有任何一个空气\n\n01:37.761 --> 01:58.855\n空平的交通的空平的監測站為什麼這樣提像環境環境權保障基金會他們就提到說如果按照台中市的空氣污染物的排放清澈來看的話交通空污事實上是台中主要的空污來源主要的來源之一可是為什麼只有設這樣子的做的固定的可是完全\n\n01:59.505 --> 02:28.309\n又沒有交通的空瓶的那個監測站顯然跟台中市移動污染源的份量不成比例所以想問市長到底要不要評估增殺跟委員報告其實我們有注意到這個問題因為過去可能台中市政府都把重點放在一個固定污染源去只要管制好那個污染源讓所有的空氣品質都改善其實不然那這個報告也告訴我們說移動式的污染源其實才是我們應該要關心要注意的\n\n02:28.749 --> 02:46.748\n那一開始我也有報告說全國設了78個空品建設站是環境部設的地方政府有34個啊如果地方政府覺得重要地方政府可以加設這個我想台北市就設了三個交通站嘛那我要跟委員報告說沒有關係PM0.1這個部分現在是歐盟明年開始要撤了\n\n02:47.369 --> 03:11.742\n但是我們現在會在台中市的我們在什麼地方呢我們在台灣大道車輛最多的那個台灣大道我們在西屯站會各設一個那針對PM0.1的部分有了這個監測資料之後我們就可以開始找出這一個污染的來源然後找出對策因為我覺得這很重要都已經事實上從他們的排放清澈裡面也看出來\n\n03:12.582 --> 03:40.804\n交通空污事實上是台中最主要污染的來源之一我就要趕快去做處理那同樣的就現在環境部事實上剛剛我們陳昭志委員有提到說整個大概只有設一共設六站那應該看起來是不夠嘛而且比較偏向北部所以我想問說你現在設置的評估標準是什麼否則為什麼就是只有六站可是今天又提到交通空污這部分事實上\n\n03:41.243 --> 04:04.759\n也是好來源之一的話那整個台灣裡面難道只有北部的交通空污是比較嚴重嗎就委員報告就是說我們過去的78站的設置主要都是在靠近工業區的部分跟我們民生影響有比較大的地方大家重視就是工廠排放黑煙嘛但想法都是這樣設置的那台北本來就是工廠會跟中南部比起來是相對少\n\n04:05.840 --> 04:33.004\n那反而是交通的部分是比較頻繁的所以台北市會設比較多的交通站過去這個是合乎邏輯的但是今天我們已經開始發現到交通的污染源已經串到上面的時候我們就要去做一些對策的改變所以交通車站未來一定是我們會去重視的特別是今天這個議題召委主持的這個會議上面我們對PM0.1的部分要開始關注了\n\n04:33.504 --> 04:55.790\n未來會要納入到超細懸浮微粒的監測是可能嗎那今天環境部的大專案報告當中也指出就是說更細的超細懸浮微粒對兒童健康的事實上是有潛在風險其實更應該被重視我想提醒部長三月次長這邊\n\n04:57.030 --> 05:24.472\n3月17號我第一次質詢校園空屋的時候就提到你們要三個月交資料給我到上週你們的確給我的正式公文就簡簡單單的大概就這麼一頁我問了四個提向要你們做的東西就這樣子然後基本上環境部的內容就是把查到的資料再貼一次然後再告訴我一次說有開會\n\n05:25.447 --> 05:51.001\n準備調查那4月17日事實上我也是再度的有在質詢同樣的議題可是同樣的也是得到的資料就是這麼的簡單部長上個月我跟地球公民基金會一起開了一個記者會那民間單位靠Google地圖跟開放資料就先把特殊性的工業區的周邊的學校都盤點出來了那我期待張子我期待是\n\n05:51.781 --> 06:18.991\n環境部是不是可以盤點的更完整更有行動可是人家簡單的用Google就可以盤那我不知道你們盤了三個月還不能盤然後給我一個A4一張的公文裡邊交代四項我期待的要做的事情那像這樣的你可以看到像這樣的學校五百公尺就有超過四千五百個小朋友在這些學校要上學那旁邊是大車不斷經過海景林石化廠\n\n06:19.691 --> 06:34.345\n不管是PM2.5還是PM0.1破裂風險都很高所以今天要問次長的是就環境部目前的規劃以這幾間我就說不要談太多就以這幾間學校為例吧你們怎麼打算加強怎麼打算加強防護啊\n\n06:37.529 --> 06:56.357\n跟委員報告一下我們簡單講就是說其實今天在座的有很多部會都跟我們這個議題有相關我們提出了一個如何降低校園空氣污染的影響我們有四成的一個防護跟委員報告第一層防護我們要跟教育部合作今天邱副市長也提出\n\n06:56.357 --> 07:00.319\n還有能不能比照現在現行法規裡面的健康風險評估技術規範把降低環境風險水準當成目標來面對學校的狀況每天孩子都生活在那邊他必須要上學\n\n07:17.935 --> 07:44.534\n之前就一直在提醒你們所以每一個月幾乎有通話環境部的我都來質詢這一個提向所以也請你們是不是應該要注意到能不能還給孩子一個很好的空氣的一個學校環境所以次長我知道你事實上是你們整個環境部都是願意做事的人可是有些規劃部裡邊也有在進行我針對你們提出來的校園五大防護也有提出建議\n\n07:45.441 --> 08:05.727\n那希望你們這邊能夠盯緊一點至少優先分級列管特殊性我覺得先不要要求太多那至少特殊性工業區附近風險明顯的學校以學生健康為主的一個排序所以次長這個工廠周邊的校園盤點跟應對鏡\n\n08:08.228 --> 08:31.721\n策略到底什麼時候會完整如果民間團體用Google表徵都可以盤得出來那不知道你們盤出來因為盤出來才後面有對應策略嗎跟委員報告我們已經盤出來有18個學校那我們會跟環保團體這邊再來開會然後提出一個管制的策略然後我們會及時的跟委員這邊做一個報告可是我也要提醒因為特殊性工業區現在問題是社區跟\n\n08:34.682 --> 09:02.410\n那個校園的學生師生對當地污染的實際狀況都缺乏知情權他們並不是了解到整個的狀況所以除了更友善易懂的監測資訊主動接入可不可以在上課期間只要監測到空污異常超標的話就要及時通知學校讓學生這時候這個時間至少先不要到戶外活動來保護健康所以這樣這部分要做到有沒有困難\n\n09:03.510 --> 09:31.655\n就是你現在現階段不可能很立即的那至少可不可以讓學生這時候師生都知道先減少戶外的一個活動如果一監測到馬上通知學校有辦法做到嗎是這個本來就是在防護的機制裡面要共同去做的這一項就是說從外部監測到的一個是從學校裡面自己發現的部分那立即跟當地的環保局怎麼樣去連結通報這個很重要那如果是從外部監測到的當然要提醒這個我們會要求\n\n09:32.355 --> 10:01.314\n所以接下來我也會針對那些學校來瞭解說你們在做什麼還有我當初我們辦公室就提出你的五大防護那我們提出四項那也所以希望你們在學校空通報的列管追蹤機制還有裝設空氣濾鏡防護設備的效益跟設施裝設標準那也儘快說明一個月內然後要給我答案不要再給我的東西事實上是複製貼上的東西我對那些東西我\n\n10:02.705 --> 10:23.442\n看了幾遍了在這幾天又連續的有高溫根據衛福部的資料大概今年五月熱傷害的人數比去年同期增加了六成那現在六月都還沒有結束單月的熱傷害的人數就逼近四百人所以我現在還是要關心的是環境部的抗高溫政策\n\n10:24.122 --> 10:36.023\n究竟要跟怎麼跟社福系統對接因為上次我提過無家者安置機構甚至弱勢家庭他們事實上對於抗高溫這件事情事實上是\n\n10:36.617 --> 11:03.765\n難以去做處理所以我辦公室大概也一直有參與你們的相關會議包括抗高溫的對策的大會也有了解到你們跟社福團體有開會的內容所以想問次長你針對於我們的能源貧窮的問題要透過內政部的大數據來鎖定政策對象能不能具體說明一下你們所說的大數據要怎麼去比對出能源貧窮的對象\n\n11:05.711 --> 11:22.322\n我請我們蔡署長說明一下跟委員說明我們現在首先是因為包括衛福部他們已經有這個包括這個就是弱勢的這些是有上面列的嗎什麼老人人口清澈獨居老人的清澈台電用電的數據\n\n11:23.743 --> 11:41.842\n那這些真的可以比對的出來嗎我們現在要進行的是對於區位就是希望說在分布上面那會配合因為有這個可能會從六都縣開始對你們優先縣目前事辦的是獨居長者有特別的原因那其他族群呢\n\n11:42.489 --> 12:05.238\n其他族群的話我們必須還是要透過設政單位那現在有可能的是跟這個已經有資源的包括衛福部還有內政部來做討論那跟委員報告因為我們6月3號才啟動這個聯盟所以會在7月的部分趕快來把這些工作來做一個分工根據歐盟跟其他國家經驗要處理能源貧窮的最重要的\n\n12:06.198 --> 12:30.654\n第一步就是要清楚辨識目標族群跟實際需求因為貧窮不只是沒有錢所以所有各國政策也不會只有發錢還會配套服務跟資源所以我們前一天談的政策也都參考歐盟經驗歐盟在2023年更新的能源效率指令已經明確定義能源貧窮所以希望說我們要先定義清楚才能夠\n\n12:31.474 --> 12:48.087\n要找到數據是什麼,不過你定義不清楚很難做所以也要求各國要根據指引來處理民眾的基本生存跟健康需求好像這個包括像是長期欠繳能源費用的或住家環境\n\n12:48.667 --> 13:05.492\n耗能評估和缺乏必要節能加電這些都是一個指標所以我希望你們這邊可以納入最後想問一下次長參考歐盟台灣現在到底有沒有可以更快的去訂出我們對於能源貧窮提出清楚的定義\n\n13:06.252 --> 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