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00:02:15,794\n包括近期美軍部署的調動,全球關注的部分已經焦點轉移到中東,我們對於情勢來看,會不會增加我們區域的風險?國防部對於後續的因應措施會是怎麼樣?\n\n7\n00:02:24,628 --> 00:02:49,259\n我們的作為就是說我們會運用各種聯合情建的手段那另外我們跟有某國家也不斷的在交換這樣的一個情誌所以大家都密切的在關注這樣子的一個在中東地區的區域衝突會不會讓這個中國來有一個任何挑釁的一個作為那所以我們所做的就是說\n\n8\n00:02:51,040 --> 00:03:04,997\n對於這個對台威脅的重要的預警的徵喉我們就透過我們的相關的手段還有跟我們國家的一個聯合資訊的一個交換來密切整個掌握整個印太地區的一個動態好那\n\n9\n00:03:07,239 --> 00:03:22,068\n一年一度的這個漢光實兵演練我們將在這個兩週後的7月9號要登場那這一次會拉長時間10天9夜對於這個先前了解到的部分我們納入包括這個徽帶應儲的這個演練\n\n10\n00:03:23,809 --> 00:03:47,689\n也提升後備教召的規模,還有軍民整合協調等這個做法那也接續前面所討論的部分,近期包括這個儀儀衝突的這個變動那印太地區的警戒同步的提升,那我想請教部長會不會因應這個區域局勢的變化之後,再調整漢光演習的這個強度,還有他的規劃的內容\n\n11\n00:03:49,510 --> 00:04:10,781\n我們現在從去年的五天四夜現在改成是十天九夜那其中最大的部分就是說我們向前延伸到這個灰色地帶的一個洗澡所以灰色地帶的洗澡我們想定的狀況就會根據這個區域的情勢來做一些推演那推演到說它\n\n12\n00:04:12,222 --> 00:04:35,613\n我們這都有一種想定,跟各位報告,這種想定,想定是說他升高這個灰色地下的洗澡到達了一定的強度之後,我們要除了從事立即備戰操演之外我們還要加強二級、一級戒備到這樣子,那最後再看他整個的一個行動做一個模擬之後然後再發布各種輔助狀況,然後讓所有的各級的部隊來演練這樣子\n\n13\n00:04:39,456 --> 00:04:59,032\n這個十天九夜會一直延續到最後的國土防衛作戰的一個重視防禦的演練所以整個的想定是拉了相當的長這一次那我們去年這個漢光40號所採取的是本島實兵不實彈\n\n14\n00:05:00,313 --> 00:05:28,373\n那外導是實兵實彈的做法當時這個國防部應該是因為這個無劇本的這個實戰化的變革考量到安全餘力的所做的安排但是在去年演習所獲得的這個經驗並且考量敵情的情況之下那我想請教部長就是當時的這個所謂全員全裝還有部分實彈的這個模式相較於\n\n15\n00:05:29,253 --> 00:05:41,481\n去年有沒有差別那在考量安全的這個條件下我們是否有評估過本島也納入實彈訓練的可能性或是再增加相關的這個實彈的訓練有沒有可能\n\n16\n00:05:43,936 --> 00:06:07,376\n在本島的部分我們依照實戰化訓練要求還是採時兵時地時時裝但是我們要求是說在責任地境要務實的演練但是要進行實彈的射擊我們考量到這個安全的維護以及對民眾的影響所以我們現在還是只有在外離島地區來進行這一個實彈的射擊\n\n17\n00:06:10,592 --> 00:06:25,082\n好,那我們這次這個演習我們國防部去年公告過了我們軍民條例的配套法規規定這個民眾不得在隨意的拍攝我們這個漢光演習\n\n18\n00:06:26,903 --> 00:06:49,591\n但是接下來這兩個演習會結合在一起可能會更容易出現在大眾的一個視野當中那橫著考量到這個情報價值還有居民合作的因素在什麼樣的情況下是可以拍攝什麼樣的情況下是不可以拍攝我們是不是有一個明確的一個指引我是不是請法律師來跟委員說明好市長\n\n19\n00:06:54,342 --> 00:07:19,479\n我跟委員報告,其實我們軍事營區安全條例通過了以後對於軍事營區它是有定義的,所以我在想委員可能是關心說如果演習的部隊在外面在運動的時候,民眾可不可以拍攝,這個是沒有問題的,這個不會受到相關的規範如果說有納入演習的相關的區域,我們會對外面去做公告,有一些禁止的行為我們也會對外面說明\n\n20\n00:07:21,119 --> 00:07:36,664\n希望這個部份我們指引的方向可以明確一點什麼可以拍攝什麼不可以拍攝這個部份也希望說有一個文字的一個我們如果有特別的禁止禁止的一些相關的規範的話我們會做一些明確的一些公示\n\n21\n00:07:38,385 --> 00:08:05,922\n那這個區域局勢的變化相當的迅速那再請我們國防部及時的掌握相關的一個這個動態並且針對下個月我們這個漢光實兵的訓練規劃如何整合這個居民的協調以及協助民眾配合的部分能夠進一步向國人來說明那也希望能夠兼顧我們演習的目標同時提高民眾對我們國防的一個信心\n\n22\n00:08:06,522 --> 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以上是 居民的協同是我們也是演練的重點項目之一好 謝謝部長 謝謝市長\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席,有請顧部長有請部長好,部長早部長,針對近日這個中東情勢的一個升溫以一的這個衝突的局勢也是持續在變化當中那昨天看起來應該是會走向這個簽訂和平這個停火協議的這個方向\n我們也看到我們賴總統日前特別指示要針對中東的情勢和中共雙航母的行動強化來監控也看到上週共軍在藉由海空聯合戰備警巡派出比以往更多的戰機還有共艦在台灣的周邊進行騷擾\n那我想就叫我們部長,對於這方面我們掌握跟判斷,中共在以疫衝突發生之後,是不是會藉由這個國際的一個焦點轉移到中東,來增加侵擾我們台灣的這個行為?\n我們看到雙航母的這個行動當然首次跨越第一島鏈接近到第二島鏈來進行這個當然是我們要密切來關注的那從時序上來看的話呢它在這個回航的時候來進行海空聯訊這本來也是在我們密切註收的範圍之內但從時序上來講的話呢美國的這個\n行動是在6月22號來進行所以我們密切的關注在6月22號之後共軍的行動有沒有在台海地區或者印太的區域有增加的趨勢到現在為止根據我們所密註的結果並還沒有出現異常的狀況據我們了解相關的航艦都已經應該回到它該有的位置上面去\n包括近期美軍部署的調動,全球關注的部分已經焦點轉移到中東,我們對於情勢來看,會不會增加我們區域的風險?國防部對於後續的因應措施會是怎麼樣?\n我們的作為就是說我們會運用各種聯合情建的手段那另外我們跟有某國家也不斷的在交換這樣的一個情誌所以大家都密切的在關注這樣子的一個在中東地區的區域衝突會不會讓這個中國來有一個任何挑釁的一個作為那所以我們所做的就是說\n對於這個對台威脅的重要的預警的徵喉我們就透過我們的相關的手段還有跟我們國家的一個聯合資訊的一個交換來密切整個掌握整個印太地區的一個動態好那\n一年一度的這個漢光實兵演練我們將在這個兩週後的7月9號要登場那這一次會拉長時間10天9夜對於這個先前了解到的部分我們納入包括這個徽帶應儲的這個演練\n也提升後備教召的規模,還有軍民整合協調等這個做法那也接續前面所討論的部分,近期包括這個儀儀衝突的這個變動那印太地區的警戒同步的提升,那我想請教部長會不會因應這個區域局勢的變化之後,再調整漢光演習的這個強度,還有他的規劃的內容\n我們現在從去年的五天四夜現在改成是十天九夜那其中最大的部分就是說我們向前延伸到這個灰色地帶的一個洗澡所以灰色地帶的洗澡我們想定的狀況就會根據這個區域的情勢來做一些推演那推演到說它\n我們這都有一種想定,跟各位報告,這種想定,想定是說他升高這個灰色地下的洗澡到達了一定的強度之後,我們要除了從事立即備戰操演之外我們還要加強二級、一級戒備到這樣子,那最後再看他整個的一個行動做一個模擬之後然後再發布各種輔助狀況,然後讓所有的各級的部隊來演練這樣子\n這個十天九夜會一直延續到最後的國土防衛作戰的一個重視防禦的演練所以整個的想定是拉了相當的長這一次那我們去年這個漢光40號所採取的是本島實兵不實彈\n那外導是實兵實彈的做法當時這個國防部應該是因為這個無劇本的這個實戰化的變革考量到安全餘力的所做的安排但是在去年演習所獲得的這個經驗並且考量敵情的情況之下那我想請教部長就是當時的這個所謂全員全裝還有部分實彈的這個模式相較於\n去年有沒有差別那在考量安全的這個條件下我們是否有評估過本島也納入實彈訓練的可能性或是再增加相關的這個實彈的訓練有沒有可能\n在本島的部分我們依照實戰化訓練要求還是採時兵時地時時裝但是我們要求是說在責任地境要務實的演練但是要進行實彈的射擊我們考量到這個安全的維護以及對民眾的影響所以我們現在還是只有在外離島地區來進行這一個實彈的射擊\n好,那我們這次這個演習我們國防部去年公告過了我們軍民條例的配套法規規定這個民眾不得在隨意的拍攝我們這個漢光演習\n但是接下來這兩個演習會結合在一起可能會更容易出現在大眾的一個視野當中那橫著考量到這個情報價值還有居民合作的因素在什麼樣的情況下是可以拍攝什麼樣的情況下是不可以拍攝我們是不是有一個明確的一個指引我是不是請法律師來跟委員說明好市長\n我跟委員報告,其實我們軍事營區安全條例通過了以後對於軍事營區它是有定義的,所以我在想委員可能是關心說如果演習的部隊在外面在運動的時候,民眾可不可以拍攝,這個是沒有問題的,這個不會受到相關的規範如果說有納入演習的相關的區域,我們會對外面去做公告,有一些禁止的行為我們也會對外面說明\n希望這個部份我們指引的方向可以明確一點什麼可以拍攝什麼不可以拍攝這個部份也希望說有一個文字的一個我們如果有特別的禁止禁止的一些相關的規範的話我們會做一些明確的一些公示\n那這個區域局勢的變化相當的迅速那再請我們國防部及時的掌握相關的一個這個動態並且針對下個月我們這個漢光實兵的訓練規劃如何整合這個居民的協調以及協助民眾配合的部分能夠進一步向國人來說明那也希望能夠兼顧我們演習的目標同時提高民眾對我們國防的一個信心\n好 以上是 居民的協同是我們也是演練的重點項目之一好 謝謝部長 謝謝市長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:25.202\n好,謝謝主席,有請顧部長有請部長好,部長早部長,針對近日這個中東情勢的一個升溫以一的這個衝突的局勢也是持續在變化當中那昨天看起來應該是會走向這個簽訂和平這個停火協議的這個方向\n\n00:27.163 --> 00:48.192\n我們也看到我們賴總統日前特別指示要針對中東的情勢和中共雙航母的行動強化來監控也看到上週共軍在藉由海空聯合戰備警巡派出比以往更多的戰機還有共艦在台灣的周邊進行騷擾\n\n00:52.634 --> 01:07.715\n那我想就叫我們部長,對於這方面我們掌握跟判斷,中共在以疫衝突發生之後,是不是會藉由這個國際的一個焦點轉移到中東,來增加侵擾我們台灣的這個行為?\n\n01:10.258 --> 01:30.585\n我們看到雙航母的這個行動當然首次跨越第一島鏈接近到第二島鏈來進行這個當然是我們要密切來關注的那從時序上來看的話呢它在這個回航的時候來進行海空聯訊這本來也是在我們密切註收的範圍之內但從時序上來講的話呢美國的這個\n\n01:36.347 --> 02:01.650\n行動是在6月22號來進行所以我們密切的關注在6月22號之後共軍的行動有沒有在台海地區或者印太的區域有增加的趨勢到現在為止根據我們所密註的結果並還沒有出現異常的狀況據我們了解相關的航艦都已經應該回到它該有的位置上面去\n\n02:04.223 --> 02:15.794\n包括近期美軍部署的調動,全球關注的部分已經焦點轉移到中東,我們對於情勢來看,會不會增加我們區域的風險?國防部對於後續的因應措施會是怎麼樣?\n\n02:24.628 --> 02:49.259\n我們的作為就是說我們會運用各種聯合情建的手段那另外我們跟有某國家也不斷的在交換這樣的一個情誌所以大家都密切的在關注這樣子的一個在中東地區的區域衝突會不會讓這個中國來有一個任何挑釁的一個作為那所以我們所做的就是說\n\n02:51.040 --> 03:04.997\n對於這個對台威脅的重要的預警的徵喉我們就透過我們的相關的手段還有跟我們國家的一個聯合資訊的一個交換來密切整個掌握整個印太地區的一個動態好那\n\n03:07.239 --> 03:22.068\n一年一度的這個漢光實兵演練我們將在這個兩週後的7月9號要登場那這一次會拉長時間10天9夜對於這個先前了解到的部分我們納入包括這個徽帶應儲的這個演練\n\n03:23.809 --> 03:47.689\n也提升後備教召的規模,還有軍民整合協調等這個做法那也接續前面所討論的部分,近期包括這個儀儀衝突的這個變動那印太地區的警戒同步的提升,那我想請教部長會不會因應這個區域局勢的變化之後,再調整漢光演習的這個強度,還有他的規劃的內容\n\n03:49.510 --> 04:10.781\n我們現在從去年的五天四夜現在改成是十天九夜那其中最大的部分就是說我們向前延伸到這個灰色地帶的一個洗澡所以灰色地帶的洗澡我們想定的狀況就會根據這個區域的情勢來做一些推演那推演到說它\n\n04:12.222 --> 04:35.613\n我們這都有一種想定,跟各位報告,這種想定,想定是說他升高這個灰色地下的洗澡到達了一定的強度之後,我們要除了從事立即備戰操演之外我們還要加強二級、一級戒備到這樣子,那最後再看他整個的一個行動做一個模擬之後然後再發布各種輔助狀況,然後讓所有的各級的部隊來演練這樣子\n\n04:39.456 --> 04:59.032\n這個十天九夜會一直延續到最後的國土防衛作戰的一個重視防禦的演練所以整個的想定是拉了相當的長這一次那我們去年這個漢光40號所採取的是本島實兵不實彈\n\n05:00.313 --> 05:28.373\n那外導是實兵實彈的做法當時這個國防部應該是因為這個無劇本的這個實戰化的變革考量到安全餘力的所做的安排但是在去年演習所獲得的這個經驗並且考量敵情的情況之下那我想請教部長就是當時的這個所謂全員全裝還有部分實彈的這個模式相較於\n\n05:29.253 --> 05:41.481\n去年有沒有差別那在考量安全的這個條件下我們是否有評估過本島也納入實彈訓練的可能性或是再增加相關的這個實彈的訓練有沒有可能\n\n05:43.936 --> 06:07.376\n在本島的部分我們依照實戰化訓練要求還是採時兵時地時時裝但是我們要求是說在責任地境要務實的演練但是要進行實彈的射擊我們考量到這個安全的維護以及對民眾的影響所以我們現在還是只有在外離島地區來進行這一個實彈的射擊\n\n06:10.592 --> 06:25.082\n好,那我們這次這個演習我們國防部去年公告過了我們軍民條例的配套法規規定這個民眾不得在隨意的拍攝我們這個漢光演習\n\n06:26.903 --> 06:49.591\n但是接下來這兩個演習會結合在一起可能會更容易出現在大眾的一個視野當中那橫著考量到這個情報價值還有居民合作的因素在什麼樣的情況下是可以拍攝什麼樣的情況下是不可以拍攝我們是不是有一個明確的一個指引我是不是請法律師來跟委員說明好市長\n\n06:54.342 --> 07:19.479\n我跟委員報告,其實我們軍事營區安全條例通過了以後對於軍事營區它是有定義的,所以我在想委員可能是關心說如果演習的部隊在外面在運動的時候,民眾可不可以拍攝,這個是沒有問題的,這個不會受到相關的規範如果說有納入演習的相關的區域,我們會對外面去做公告,有一些禁止的行為我們也會對外面說明\n\n07:21.119 --> 07:36.664\n希望這個部份我們指引的方向可以明確一點什麼可以拍攝什麼不可以拍攝這個部份也希望說有一個文字的一個我們如果有特別的禁止禁止的一些相關的規範的話我們會做一些明確的一些公示\n\n07:38.385 --> 08:05.922\n那這個區域局勢的變化相當的迅速那再請我們國防部及時的掌握相關的一個這個動態並且針對下個月我們這個漢光實兵的訓練規劃如何整合這個居民的協調以及協助民眾配合的部分能夠進一步向國人來說明那也希望能夠兼顧我們演習的目標同時提高民眾對我們國防的一個信心\n\n08:06.522 --> 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