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00:01:57,418\n那重居呢重居也是在今年的重居是89艇的話是在今年年底沒有要改對外採購嗎這個的話目前的話軍種的需求是為之給我們的偶後要對外採購我們都是回到這裡就是說我們現在搬用機槍其實膠裝當然有因為種種理由慢了\n\n7\n00:01:58,679 --> 00:02:19,897\n我們都不能假設明天會發生什麼事情所以當然戰備辛苦我們都希望我們的兵工相關的能夠越快按照如期如此來完成就好我把這兩個數據對起來看就是說如果美軍有無償提供給我們戰鬥各裝有給我們排用機槍然後我們國軍的扮用機槍的膠裝有延遲美軍的裝備是他們的現役裝備的話\n\n8\n00:02:25,888 --> 00:02:50,638\n我們有沒有思考我曾經在私底下跟幾位戰友在聊我們某一些陸軍單位可以把它改採成全美軍的裝備因為我們現在每年有兩個營到美國受訓嘛那到美國受訓我們裝備沒帶著去那邊是用人家的裝備我甚至於建議我們應該比照空軍陸軍的陸威應該也在那邊設置一個辦公室把參山的工作由那邊來執行來減低我們受訓部隊的負擔\n\n9\n00:02:54,460 --> 00:03:22,889\n那我上去美團的時候我們應該有提出這樣的需求那美方有沒有答應這事待會可以回答我的意思是說如果有這樣的排用機槍有這樣的戰鬥客裝在台灣我們為什麼不把它發給我們現役部隊我想這個他給的這個排用機槍的因為您特別是提到排用機槍的部分嘛我們再接續再獲付更多的這個排用機槍之後我們會發下去\n\n10\n00:03:23,923 --> 00:03:40,117\n會發下去嗎會那你變成是要集結到一個量才把它配下去是而不是說我現在分批逐批逐批把它替換這樣等到集結到一個量再發下去跟我現在手上一千挺我就按照計畫下去等到整批再下去的好處在哪裡\n\n11\n00:03:42,770 --> 00:04:03,396\n我想因為相關的這些排用機槍的這個部分我們認為跟其他的這個收到的這個在後續的PDA的部分我們一起就是有一個按照相關的這個他們所應該厚厚的裝備一起發下去來使用這樣所以這個後續會往下發會\n\n12\n00:04:05,377 --> 00:04:19,832\n因為部長你原來在國安會啦我請教一下就是說我們現在每年兩個營甚至於去年吧有副旅長帶著接近一個旅的單位去美國進行相關的訓練\n\n13\n00:04:21,277 --> 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但這些東西是不是已經到我們的庫房裡面了\n我們其實\n我應該這麼說這個PTA的部分不是只有不只這個啦不只只有這個也不是只有一次所以它陸續對我的意思是說我今天先抓這個單項就是說國軍的戰鬥各裝當然我們後勤微補有它的一致性如果八國聯軍混雜的這個不一樣的話當然不太好但我們如果對照另外一個數據我們軍備局205場要生產T-75的班用的機槍\n我這數字如果錯的話請隨時更正我我原來2023年要交裝400艇2024年要交裝60艇現在這460艇還沒有交對不對在6月底之前會\n跟委員報告因為上次該委員會跟委員報告了在今年的6月30日會交裝給陸軍交裝哪個年份的就是交裝之前委員講的因為我們就是因為之前的貨料就是因為沒有其實你們常常保證我還不好意思再問你那個狙擊槍你們狙擊槍也是在6月30清狙嘛\n那重居呢重居也是在今年的重居是89艇的話是在今年年底沒有要改對外採購嗎這個的話目前的話軍種的需求是為之給我們的偶後要對外採購我們都是回到這裡就是說我們現在搬用機槍其實膠裝當然有因為種種理由慢了\n我們都不能假設明天會發生什麼事情所以當然戰備辛苦我們都希望我們的兵工相關的能夠越快按照如期如此來完成就好我把這兩個數據對起來看就是說如果美軍有無償提供給我們戰鬥各裝有給我們排用機槍然後我們國軍的扮用機槍的膠裝有延遲美軍的裝備是他們的現役裝備的話\n我們有沒有思考我曾經在私底下跟幾位戰友在聊我們某一些陸軍單位可以把它改採成全美軍的裝備因為我們現在每年有兩個營到美國受訓嘛那到美國受訓我們裝備沒帶著去那邊是用人家的裝備我甚至於建議我們應該比照空軍陸軍的陸威應該也在那邊設置一個辦公室把參山的工作由那邊來執行來減低我們受訓部隊的負擔\n那我上去美團的時候我們應該有提出這樣的需求那美方有沒有答應這事待會可以回答我的意思是說如果有這樣的排用機槍有這樣的戰鬥客裝在台灣我們為什麼不把它發給我們現役部隊我想這個他給的這個排用機槍的因為您特別是提到排用機槍的部分嘛我們再接續再獲付更多的這個排用機槍之後我們會發下去\n會發下去嗎會那你變成是要集結到一個量才把它配下去是而不是說我現在分批逐批逐批把它替換這樣等到集結到一個量再發下去跟我現在手上一千挺我就按照計畫下去等到整批再下去的好處在哪裡\n我想因為相關的這些排用機槍的這個部分我們認為跟其他的這個收到的這個在後續的PDA的部分我們一起就是有一個按照相關的這個他們所應該厚厚的裝備一起發下去來使用這樣所以這個後續會往下發會\n因為部長你原來在國安會啦我請教一下就是說我們現在每年兩個營甚至於去年吧有副旅長帶著接近一個旅的單位去美國進行相關的訓練\n我們有沒有考慮在美國設置一個類似我們以前在陸克後來現在在土生的就一個專案辦公室來協助我們陸軍的單位去那邊授訓相關的這個專案的計畫啦相關的作業我們有沒有計畫讓陸軍固定聯兵營到美國授訓把它真的變成一個常態化\n目前有沒有這樣的計畫我們現在我想到美國參加訓練的部分這個可能不太適宜來公開做太多的說明但我們會不斷的擴大這個相關的規模那有關這個委員所指教的部分也許我們私下再跟委員做個說明就是說這個不方便在這邊講的我尊重啦我的意思是說有一個專案的辦公室在那裡\n去協助我們受訓的官兵過去像我們曾經有單位去要花了六七八天才集結到嘛分很多批的航班所以這些專案的工作其實如果讓現有單位的參山啊各方面去負責的話那個優量會太重那如果它是一個常態化的\n對我們的戰力提升接受現代化的訓練或者有跟友軍合作的計畫如果是常態化的話其實陸軍有一個這樣的辦公室在那邊仿造我們陸客後來土生的方式我個人是建議這樣做但我尊重國防部因為這個是牽涉到\n兩方面不是我們單方面可以做決定啦另外部長我還請教另外一個事情是我們台灣現在有沒有參加北約的那個MISP的這個計畫裡面MISP就是從2013年開始北約啟動一個叫做惡意軟體資訊共享平台目前日本自衛隊參加了\n韓國的部隊也參加了也就是說他們在資通電軍的資訊分享上把惡意軟體透過盟軍之間的共享去分析這個惡意軟體的攻擊模式來源等等我請教說我們台灣我們台灣其實是惡意軟體攻擊受攻擊的世界第一名我們被攻擊的量最大我們台灣到目前這2013年開始的\n我們周邊的鄰國日本韓國都參加這也是北約他開放北約的架構讓其他的盟友可以參加目前台灣有沒有參加MISP這個計畫是不好講還是我們私下跟您報告可以嗎\n好 我尊重 但是我們不參加就不太有道理了格林的日本 韓國 甚至是日本分析它94.5%的供給是來自於境外 那境外它也點出某一家公司就是經過這個平台分析出來 那一個駭客公司就是由中共解放軍負責資助的 好吧點出來\n我們中國最近公布我們自動電軍那個那是他有他的政治意圖那我們透過跟盟友的合作也可以利用這個方式讓中國他做這一種政治意圖反而得到政治上的反效果可能是外交的可能是安全的各方面所以本期來問這個MISP呢我尊重你們這邊不便講但我認為我們我們台灣一定是網路世界不管是被攻擊或防禦的大國\n我們應該透過這個被攻擊的優勢應該多積極跟各方參與部長我不知道你對這個有什麼想法是 我們當然會積極的跟北約還有跟所有相關的友盟國家來積極的合作那有關自動電G相關保密的事情我不在這邊問因為私下有些事情可能我們要了解一下我這邊有些訊息那謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.789 --> 00:03.770\n謝謝主席麻煩顧部長有請部長社友網友部長我先請教一個問題在媒體報導說2023年美國無償軍援台灣八萬套的戰鬥各裝一千艇的排用機槍數量或許有不對但這些東西是不是已經到我們的庫房裡面了\n\n00:28.242 --> 00:28.363\n我們其實\n\n00:31.860 --> 00:54.665\n我應該這麼說這個PTA的部分不是只有不只這個啦不只只有這個也不是只有一次所以它陸續對我的意思是說我今天先抓這個單項就是說國軍的戰鬥各裝當然我們後勤微補有它的一致性如果八國聯軍混雜的這個不一樣的話當然不太好但我們如果對照另外一個數據我們軍備局205場要生產T-75的班用的機槍\n\n01:02.691 --> 01:08.215\n我這數字如果錯的話請隨時更正我我原來2023年要交裝400艇2024年要交裝60艇現在這460艇還沒有交對不對在6月底之前會\n\n01:14.246 --> 01:37.107\n跟委員報告因為上次該委員會跟委員報告了在今年的6月30日會交裝給陸軍交裝哪個年份的就是交裝之前委員講的因為我們就是因為之前的貨料就是因為沒有其實你們常常保證我還不好意思再問你那個狙擊槍你們狙擊槍也是在6月30清狙嘛\n\n01:38.248 --> 01:57.418\n那重居呢重居也是在今年的重居是89艇的話是在今年年底沒有要改對外採購嗎這個的話目前的話軍種的需求是為之給我們的偶後要對外採購我們都是回到這裡就是說我們現在搬用機槍其實膠裝當然有因為種種理由慢了\n\n01:58.679 --> 02:19.897\n我們都不能假設明天會發生什麼事情所以當然戰備辛苦我們都希望我們的兵工相關的能夠越快按照如期如此來完成就好我把這兩個數據對起來看就是說如果美軍有無償提供給我們戰鬥各裝有給我們排用機槍然後我們國軍的扮用機槍的膠裝有延遲美軍的裝備是他們的現役裝備的話\n\n02:25.888 --> 02:50.638\n我們有沒有思考我曾經在私底下跟幾位戰友在聊我們某一些陸軍單位可以把它改採成全美軍的裝備因為我們現在每年有兩個營到美國受訓嘛那到美國受訓我們裝備沒帶著去那邊是用人家的裝備我甚至於建議我們應該比照空軍陸軍的陸威應該也在那邊設置一個辦公室把參山的工作由那邊來執行來減低我們受訓部隊的負擔\n\n02:54.460 --> 03:22.889\n那我上去美團的時候我們應該有提出這樣的需求那美方有沒有答應這事待會可以回答我的意思是說如果有這樣的排用機槍有這樣的戰鬥客裝在台灣我們為什麼不把它發給我們現役部隊我想這個他給的這個排用機槍的因為您特別是提到排用機槍的部分嘛我們再接續再獲付更多的這個排用機槍之後我們會發下去\n\n03:23.923 --> 03:40.117\n會發下去嗎會那你變成是要集結到一個量才把它配下去是而不是說我現在分批逐批逐批把它替換這樣等到集結到一個量再發下去跟我現在手上一千挺我就按照計畫下去等到整批再下去的好處在哪裡\n\n03:42.770 --> 04:03.396\n我想因為相關的這些排用機槍的這個部分我們認為跟其他的這個收到的這個在後續的PDA的部分我們一起就是有一個按照相關的這個他們所應該厚厚的裝備一起發下去來使用這樣所以這個後續會往下發會\n\n04:05.377 --> 04:19.832\n因為部長你原來在國安會啦我請教一下就是說我們現在每年兩個營甚至於去年吧有副旅長帶著接近一個旅的單位去美國進行相關的訓練\n\n04:21.277 --> 04:43.297\n我們有沒有考慮在美國設置一個類似我們以前在陸克後來現在在土生的就一個專案辦公室來協助我們陸軍的單位去那邊授訓相關的這個專案的計畫啦相關的作業我們有沒有計畫讓陸軍固定聯兵營到美國授訓把它真的變成一個常態化\n\n04:44.790 --> 05:11.998\n目前有沒有這樣的計畫我們現在我想到美國參加訓練的部分這個可能不太適宜來公開做太多的說明但我們會不斷的擴大這個相關的規模那有關這個委員所指教的部分也許我們私下再跟委員做個說明就是說這個不方便在這邊講的我尊重啦我的意思是說有一個專案的辦公室在那裡\n\n05:12.958 --> 05:29.746\n去協助我們受訓的官兵過去像我們曾經有單位去要花了六七八天才集結到嘛分很多批的航班所以這些專案的工作其實如果讓現有單位的參山啊各方面去負責的話那個優量會太重那如果它是一個常態化的\n\n05:30.766 --> 05:46.473\n對我們的戰力提升接受現代化的訓練或者有跟友軍合作的計畫如果是常態化的話其實陸軍有一個這樣的辦公室在那邊仿造我們陸客後來土生的方式我個人是建議這樣做但我尊重國防部因為這個是牽涉到\n\n05:48.594 --> 06:12.040\n兩方面不是我們單方面可以做決定啦另外部長我還請教另外一個事情是我們台灣現在有沒有參加北約的那個MISP的這個計畫裡面MISP就是從2013年開始北約啟動一個叫做惡意軟體資訊共享平台目前日本自衛隊參加了\n\n06:13.960 --> 06:35.287\n韓國的部隊也參加了也就是說他們在資通電軍的資訊分享上把惡意軟體透過盟軍之間的共享去分析這個惡意軟體的攻擊模式來源等等我請教說我們台灣我們台灣其實是惡意軟體攻擊受攻擊的世界第一名我們被攻擊的量最大我們台灣到目前這2013年開始的\n\n06:37.028 --> 06:56.187\n我們周邊的鄰國日本韓國都參加這也是北約他開放北約的架構讓其他的盟友可以參加目前台灣有沒有參加MISP這個計畫是不好講還是我們私下跟您報告可以嗎\n\n06:57.093 --> 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