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00:03:06,064\n因為服務業他受到匯率的波動相對的比較小一點真的嗎來那本席要跟你講來來部長來您認為因為從經濟部今天您邀請出席郭部長這邊也許你沒管到那麼細但是你們的幕僚作業我也覺得非常的遺憾你輕忽了今天在台幣升值這件事情來講我們的台幣升值下的產業孤鳥是誰\n\n9\n00:03:10,006 --> 00:03:36,474\n就是服務業啊就是商圈啊就是我的的餐旅業啊我的旅館業啊這在本席上個月五月多的質詢就很明確的講所以從你今天出席的名單還是傾覆這一點好那連央行副總裁從你的口中也沒有重視到你認為服務業是不會受影響的喔不要啊那你要不要修正一下來讓你修正一下因為你的簡報沒寫\n\n10\n00:03:38,134 --> 00:03:59,141\n來那個先讓部長您回答之前來讓我們副總裁補充一下服務業會有哪些衝擊我剛才是說相對相對的因為出口產業當然我們知道他受到匯率的衝擊我剛才是用傳統產業或中小企業我是說您剛才提到這種內需那服務業我是用相對好相對\n\n11\n00:04:00,021 --> 00:04:05,385\n所以相對有多嚴重呢好那部長這邊我也讓您我今天算是第二次的在我們台幣升值之下我們政府的補貼政策只針對出口產業的相關的財務補貼但是我們沒有擴大內需喔所以真的在整個經濟動能的啟動上擴大內需我們是在這一波當中公件的啟動是沒有的是只是穩住各企業的財務狀況\n\n12\n00:04:30,081 --> 00:04:47,603\n那來謝謝委員的提示我想國內的消費會因為這個預期的心理我想消費率會下滑這個內需也會因此而減少這個大概是心理的因素\n\n13\n00:04:48,604 --> 00:04:59,228\n那對我們來講的話我們優先在觀察這個新台幣提升的時候我們當然是先觀察出口的影響因為出口...這我認同部長這一點我是認同經濟部的我認同你經濟部對於出口產業傳產的部分製造業的部分你們是非常積極的這個本席沒有話講可是再一次提醒今天是我第二次提醒我們來看喔\n\n14\n00:05:12,914 --> 00:05:41,229\n副總裁跟部長你們看這個數據有沒有嚴重2024年出口人次在今年雖然今年還沒有結案然後去年我們的出口人次達1685萬人二十萬人喔就二十四的就這個二十四年來的觀光人次啊2024年的這個出口人出國的來我們本國的觀光人數是多少\n\n15\n00:05:41,749 --> 00:05:45,710\n785萬我們出口1685萬人我來2020年來我們去年來我們出國的有1685萬人來到本國觀光的是785萬人多於一半而且其中的赴日本高達600萬這導致台灣2020年的觀光逆差將近220億美元\n\n16\n00:06:07,597 --> 00:06:20,565\n6000億台幣這簡單的講就是說我國人到國外旅遊花的錢多於國外的人來到本國旅遊的錢多多少我在國外花的錢多了6000億台幣啊\n\n17\n00:06:24,227 --> 00:06:26,509\n副總裁這個叫相對嚴重輕微嚴重嗎國內旅遊業的經營已經非常辛苦疫後之後我們慢慢的回升也不過700多萬人次到去年\n\n18\n00:06:39,881 --> 00:06:48,184\n那現在又遇到了這個台幣的升值我們又大量的出國去玩好那本席在5月14號也提出質詢了提到說台幣大幅升值對國內的觀光商圈餐飲服務業產生大幅的衝擊就讓辛苦經營的服務業雪上加霜但是本席並沒有看到各部會提出具體的振興及紓困的方案\n\n19\n00:07:03,550 --> 00:07:26,989\n所以我對於商發署我直接點名這個要讓部長了解一下也許你們沒有辦法注意到那麼多但是我點名你的商發署你們對於還是一樣嘛提出來你們署長很認真到我高雄交集所有的商圈服務業來座談我看了那一本大概六七頁好多頁的報告結果我叫做了無新意\n\n20\n00:07:28,123 --> 00:07:43,024\n你對於這麼慘當中你就像你在補助中小企業一樣啊就像部長你在支持支持船廠一樣啊你的硬體建設在您上任這一波我們賴總統是支持過往沒有的中小企業的補助有機械內\n\n21\n00:07:44,145 --> 00:08:01,492\n有硬體的所以這個是這一次讓業界可以感受到政府的溫暖可是我們的服務業你的商圈整個改造三四十年了那個街景不用有硬體建設的費用嗎這也是公件哪個商家整個店面的改造我們不用去支持他嗎\n\n22\n00:08:02,592 --> 00:08:21,165\n所以這個部長我一定要讓你知道這一點這個多嚴重在這低檔的時候我就積極向中小企業傳產支持他但是他沒有錢部長所以這個我一定要跟部長一起努力在主計處今天主計總處有沒有來沒有好那就只好請這個國發委來主委你要跟主計總處\n\n23\n00:08:24,042 --> 00:08:51,581\n您要不要針對這個服務業你要跟我們部長一起協力在主計總書針對服務業的部分怎麼來增加公建的比例來跟委員報告公建有它的特殊規定重大公共建設就是簡單講就是硬體啦我要的就是硬體就像你補助中小企業產產一樣啊或者我們現在商圈都老化你覺得二三十年的商圈老街\n\n24\n00:08:53,182 --> 00:09:01,328\n砍爆都不會救水電都不會老舊不會有漏水包括現在的這個氣候變遷氣溫不會升高裡面的人民的這個觀光客進去我們光是國人的消費會沒有這個舒適感會提升嗎所以大家當然往國外跑啊\n\n25\n00:09:13,617 --> 00:09:30,054\n這個我們一定會支持經濟部的政策啦如果他們送過來但是經濟部有困難啊他也不想要去跟主計總署要錢啊要不然他只有在他的部內的預算宜嘛宜哪一塊部長都心痛啊這個部分是這樣嗎對啊你哪一塊這邊就是少哪一塊來補這個商發署的硬體建設的計畫嘛\n\n26\n00:09:34,759 --> 00:09:39,783\n所以那你要今天主計總署沒來那所以你要發揮你的跨部會的協調你要不要來針對我的聽法很簡單針對服務業商圈的硬體建設請國發會這個主計總署協同我們的經濟部來會同那個跟主計總署爭取商圈及相關服務業的這個硬體建設要不要\n\n27\n00:10:02,361 --> 00:10:07,445\n我們努力看看實現是什麼時候你什麼時候提出計畫啊我要跟委員報告為什麼我講這個話我是比較負責任的人因為我的管轄範圍沒有主計處主計總處不歸我管轄所以我是來努力一起協調兩方\n\n28\n00:10:23,379 --> 00:10:36,554\n是這樣那部長呢你要不要你認同你要不要來替你們下面的你都一直點頭啊我認為你很你很清楚狀況你很清楚啊中小企業你支持船長你支持我們在這個商業發展的部分我們都有積極在規劃\n\n29\n00:10:37,875 --> 00:10:40,237\n就是缺硬體建設因為其他的什麼AI啦行銷活動啦你們經費也少的可憐啦商發署我也替他講個話但是現在連硬體建設你不在這時候低檔的時候去支持他欸你看到這個數據啊副總裁部長跟主委那個國發會主委啊你們看到這個數據你不會嚇到嗎我們的出國花的錢\n\n30\n00:11:01,512 --> 00:11:16,245\n國人在國外2024年去年在國花在光光逆差我們花了6000億台幣在國外耶你怎麼不把那6000億一半就好3000億回到國內來你不正心才怪呢\n\n31\n00:11:17,046 --> 00:11:32,513\n所以你要用心啊部長您這邊要怎麼做呢可給我一個具體時間你們提出怎麼樣的一個方案來跟如果你努力了主計總署不答應那是主計總署的問題但是你不提出就是你的錯\n\n32\n00:11:33,666 --> 00:11:54,651\n部長來打回音一下你什麼時候提出這樣的一個振興方案修改一下你們國發署現在的針對商圈餐禮業以及觀光業所以今天包括交通部也沒是今天交通部不是本會啦但是我也會再要求交通部那至少商發署的部分在這個硬體建設上你要提出一個具體的方案一個月可以嗎\n\n33\n00:11:56,636 --> 00:11:59,840\n努力爭取我們來努力啦我們來回歸來看人員副總裁您可以請回座部長這邊還有國發委也請回座我們來看人員中東戰爭對國進人員的威脅\n\n34\n00:12:15,037 --> 00:12:17,218\n你郭部長這邊你也針對了這個我們我國的原油天然氣會產生20%跟25%的供應風險針對在以以戰爭當中那區域衝突當中呢這個這個郭部長你也講到我們不管怎麼樣我國的油價在民生部分一定會是啞鈴最低價這個本席也肯定\n\n35\n00:12:37,222 --> 00:13:04,480\n但是呢國營事業他為了配合中央政策出現的虧損行政院呢向行政院爭取補償不要讓國營事業再支持政策卻長遭惡果這是本席要提點你的長期以來因為配合政策的國營事業也希望你們能夠把配合政策的國營事業補貼虧損的補貼法治化就好像我勞退基金一樣啊只要我的勞退基金的營運虧損了\n\n36\n00:13:06,701 --> 00:13:15,267\n我們有法令喔叫做政府負最後的這個補貼的一個責任喔所以部長您對於這個國營事業因為照你的這樣的一個簡報來講你只講到說電價的部分我們成立了這個電價委員會因為人員的互動我們99%我們的人員是進口的煤氣\n\n37\n00:13:31,257 --> 00:13:40,461\n還有石油99%是國外進口所以那種的波動是很大所以國營事業中油不管進煤進油或者進天然氣那它就是會影響到台電因為還是必須它提供中油要提供給台電所以這個虧損國營事業虧損我不希望變成這種政黨惡鬥的一個工具\n\n38\n00:13:59,188 --> 00:14:16,962\n這個所以應該是說我應該是一個補貼對於我在什麼樣的機制顧名聲的當時我有一個電價委員會但是當我們的國營事業受到這個政府為了吸收這樣的政府的政策他也會虧損那是不是有一個法制化我覺得我不要你什麼回應承諾但是你要承諾我說好這個是不是願意延逸補貼的一個法制化呢\n\n39\n00:14:23,902 --> 00:14:47,230\n謝謝委員的這個指教這個部分我們會向院裡面反映我覺得法治化之後就不會說我補台電一千億就又說我們台電怎麼樣的有很多理由那我覺得法治化哪一個政黨執政哪一個政黨哪一個這個立法院的不管他的一個這個席次的變化我們都還是一樣顧到民生也顧到國營事業好再來\n\n40\n00:14:51,311 --> 00:15:03,679\n這個能源政策當中我也要對郭部長我是跟你肯定因為你支持國企國運國管好為什麼呢我們來看這則新聞中東戰爭威脅在前幾天的時候有六艘的郵輪在接近和睦之海峽改變航線雖然和睦之海峽現在暫時已經沒有這個危機但是那時候的六艘郵輪是來自\n\n41\n00:15:16,127 --> 00:15:18,129\n挪威中國香港巴拿馬的國家超級油人是空船去要去這些油廠油礦去載油那因為這樣的危險還沒有說站站還沒有說封鎖只是傳聞而已喔這個船長就把他載回來所以空船\n\n42\n00:15:33,886 --> 00:15:58,184\n所以國際航運包括飛機航運這個本來就規避氣候戰爭不可抗力的特性條件除船東貨主之外最主要是船長要當下決定判斷所以在台灣雖然你下了指令要朝向國際國運國管講坦白的本席在意的是我們國家國籍的本國的船長跟船員比例的提高\n\n43\n00:15:59,085 --> 00:16:18,837\n而不是國外的船長甚至是中國的進入到我們的國家的國際船這個我是點名交通部交通部的陽明海運今天交通部沒來所以我就不講話光是陽明海運用了多少的中國籍的船員我本席還在了解當中\n\n44\n00:16:19,737 --> 00:16:36,031\n但是我們的這個我們自己的這個中油跟日本的合資的公司你是有下指令但是全台灣最了解原料購買的是誰只有中油所以你下了指令之後不好意思中油還是停止在那邊\n\n45\n00:16:36,952 --> 00:17:02,120\n好那這個對於國慶國運國管這件事情我希望這個部長您再一次的督導一下實質的了解謝謝委員這個部分是屬於交通部所以交通部長已經有指示這個船運公司務必落實委員所指導的部分這個你們在踢皮球因為即使是在交通部但是在哪裡訓練\n\n46\n00:17:04,141 --> 00:17:06,485\n還是在中油的接收站啊因為你的汽油來還是在我們的接收站啊接收站是誰沖油啊是我沖油的部分會落實這樣的做法\n\n47\n00:17:18,224 --> 00:17:28,927\n希望您這加把勁督導因為您下了指令之後中遊好像沒什麼動作好所以這邊我也希望國發會能夠接同經濟部交通部針對國內的觀光那個主委請您再聽一下這個接同經濟部交通部一個月內針對國內觀光商圈餐飲提出前瞻且務實的振興補助部長你也承諾了那一個月內要提出來\n\n48\n00:17:46,412 --> 00:17:51,315\n那像這個主計總處這邊來處理那請國發委協調主計總處雖然這不是你管啦但是我覺得有一個議題你可以做模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業科技半導體電子製造船廠\n\n49\n00:18:01,782 --> 00:18:17,448\n包括這個農業生長觀光零售等衝擊的影響並預早預作準備第三個也請經濟部交通部因為你們國際船還是有交通部所以經濟部交通部集中有兩週內回覆目前我國主要能源的採用國際船員跟船隊船隊跟船長的狀態那並提供後續的改善計畫部長可以嗎國發會主委可以嗎\n\n50\n00:18:30,911 --> 00:18:59,573\n來主委您上台一下兩個同時回應本席的具體建議在尤其是商發署的部分的硬體建設部長這邊要一個月可不可以要提出前瞻且務實那國發會的部分你對跟主計總處要做的事情你要模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業包括服務業的衝擊欲早做住每一個\n\n51\n00:19:00,273 --> 00:19:22,612\n不同匯率下所產生的產業衝擊面你要做什麼方案的因應啊包括這個國籍船隊經濟部交通部跟中油你們對國籍船隊跟船長的狀態才能因應你區域經濟當中大家的一個你進有99%的人員是來自國外來兩位兩位首長回應一下國安會沒有問題啦有時間的喔我們會來努力好謝謝\n\n52\n00:19:28,476 --> 00:19:29,829\n好謝謝現在休息兩分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3595\t9444\t好 有請中央銀行 經濟部原副總裁 郭部長\n16537\t26460\t副總裁在我想從你的報告當中我來跟您做一下呼應從4月30號的台幣匯率32.07到今天6月29.46不到兩個月台幣匯率共升值了2.557超過了7%也就是除了高科技產業之外\n39224\t67279\t目前國內哪一個產業的淨利可以超過7%的是沒有的所以你看這個匯率變動除了半導體產業之外全部打趴所以我們央行總裁在幾天前他也表示下半年經濟放緩關稅不確定性下降而且均可抑制新台幣的升值預期您這邊講到的下半年經濟晃反\n68881\t75566\t關稅不確定下降講的是經國國的今年經濟表現會出現負面衝擊嗎我們今年的經濟表現會有產業國際競爭力下降嗎因為你管的是匯率但是所產生的經濟面產業面是這兩個現象嗎請回答\n90215\t114539\t我們在目前我們預期下半年的經濟成長率大概是0.78左右是 那所以是0.78因為它包括了我們預期我們的出口會減緩因為出口已經提前出貨那整個經濟活動其實是雖然是0.78可是去年的積極很高其實我們的整年還有3.05的情況之下我們覺得我們的經濟其實是還OK的啦\n118300\t140386\t但是還是有負面衝擊產業國際競爭率會下降所以我們才要做因應嘛我想對我想因為那個匯率對不同的行業有不同的衝擊好很好你說有不同的行業會有不同影響您的簡報第八頁你第七頁說好那既然會匯率升值啦那所以呢企業因應的新台幣升值的主要做法您的第八頁講說啊這個當前國際經貿金融具高度不確定性政府\n146228\t150312\t應可協助較無能力避險的中小企業傳產業降低新台幣匯率波動的影響你這邊所講的中小企業傳產業有包含服務業嗎\n161308\t186064\t因為服務業他受到匯率的波動相對的比較小一點真的嗎來那本席要跟你講來來部長來您認為因為從經濟部今天您邀請出席郭部長這邊也許你沒管到那麼細但是你們的幕僚作業我也覺得非常的遺憾你輕忽了今天在台幣升值這件事情來講我們的台幣升值下的產業孤鳥是誰\n190006\t216474\t就是服務業啊就是商圈啊就是我的的餐旅業啊我的旅館業啊這在本席上個月五月多的質詢就很明確的講所以從你今天出席的名單還是傾覆這一點好那連央行副總裁從你的口中也沒有重視到你認為服務業是不會受影響的喔不要啊那你要不要修正一下來讓你修正一下因為你的簡報沒寫\n218134\t239141\t來那個先讓部長您回答之前來讓我們副總裁補充一下服務業會有哪些衝擊我剛才是說相對相對的因為出口產業當然我們知道他受到匯率的衝擊我剛才是用傳統產業或中小企業我是說您剛才提到這種內需那服務業我是用相對好相對\n240021\t245385\t所以相對有多嚴重呢好那部長這邊我也讓您我今天算是第二次的在我們台幣升值之下我們政府的補貼政策只針對出口產業的相關的財務補貼但是我們沒有擴大內需喔所以真的在整個經濟動能的啟動上擴大內需我們是在這一波當中 公件的啟動是沒有的是只是穩住各企業的財務狀況\n270081\t287603\t那來謝謝委員的提示我想國內的消費會因為這個預期的心理我想消費率會下滑這個內需也會因此而減少這個大概是心理的因素\n288604\t299228\t那對我們來講的話 我們優先在觀察這個新台幣提升的時候我們當然是先觀察出口的影響 因為出口...這我認同 部長 這一點我是認同經濟部的我認同你經濟部對於出口產業 傳產的部分 製造業的部分你們是非常積極的 這個本席沒有話講可是再一次提醒 今天是我第二次提醒 我們來看喔\n312914\t341229\t副總裁跟部長你們看這個數據有沒有嚴重2024年出口人次在今年雖然今年還沒有結案然後去年我們的出口人次達1685萬人二十萬人喔就二十四的就這個二十四年來的觀光人次啊2024年的這個出口人出國的來我們本國的觀光人數是多少\n341749\t345710\t785萬我們出口1685萬人我來2020年來我們去年來我們出國的有1685萬人來到本國觀光的是785萬人多於一半而且其中的赴日本高達600萬這導致台灣2020年的觀光逆差將近220億美元\n367597\t380565\t6000億台幣這簡單的講就是說我國人到國外旅遊花的錢多於國外的人來到本國旅遊的錢多多少我在國外花的錢多了6000億台幣啊\n384227\t386509\t副總裁這個叫相對嚴重 輕微嚴重嗎國內旅遊業的經營已經非常辛苦 疫後之後我們慢慢的回升也不過700多萬人次 到去年\n399881\t408184\t那現在又遇到了這個台幣的升值我們又大量的出國去玩好 那本席在5月14號也提出質詢了提到說台幣大幅升值對國內的觀光商圈餐飲服務業產生大幅的衝擊就讓辛苦經營的服務業雪上加霜但是本席並沒有看到各部會提出具體的振興及紓困的方案\n423550\t446989\t所以我對於商發署我直接點名這個要讓部長了解一下也許你們沒有辦法注意到那麼多但是我點名你的商發署你們對於還是一樣嘛提出來你們署長很認真到我高雄交集所有的商圈服務業來座談我看了那一本大概六七頁好多頁的報告結果我叫做了無新意\n448123\t463024\t你對於這麼慘當中你就像你在補助中小企業一樣啊就像部長你在支持支持船廠一樣啊你的硬體建設在您上任這一波我們賴總統是支持過往沒有的中小企業的補助有機械內\n464145\t481492\t有硬體的所以這個是這一次讓業界可以感受到政府的溫暖可是我們的服務業你的商圈整個改造三四十年了那個街景不用有硬體建設的費用嗎這也是公件哪個商家整個店面的改造我們不用去支持他嗎\n482592\t501165\t所以這個部長我一定要讓你知道這一點這個多嚴重在這低檔的時候我就積極向中小企業傳產支持他但是他沒有錢部長所以這個我一定要跟部長一起努力在主計處今天主計總處有沒有來沒有好那就只好請這個國發委來主委你要跟主計總處\n504042\t531581\t您要不要針對這個服務業你要跟我們部長一起協力在主計總書針對服務業的部分怎麼來增加公建的比例來跟委員報告公建有它的特殊規定重大公共建設就是簡單講就是硬體啦我要的就是硬體就像你補助中小企業產產一樣啊或者我們現在商圈都老化你覺得二三十年的商圈老街\n533182\t541328\t砍爆都不會救水電都不會老舊不會有漏水包括現在的這個氣候變遷氣溫不會升高裡面的人民的這個觀光客進去我們光是國人的消費會沒有這個舒適感會提升嗎所以大家當然往國外跑啊\n553617\t570054\t這個我們一定會支持經濟部的政策啦 如果他們送過來但是經濟部有困難啊 他也不想要去跟主計總署要錢啊要不然他只有在他的部內的預算宜嘛 宜哪一塊部長都心痛啊這個部分是這樣嗎對啊 你哪一塊 這邊就是少哪一塊來補這個商發署的硬體建設的計畫嘛\n574759\t579783\t所以那你要今天主計總署沒來那所以你要發揮你的跨部會的協調你要不要來針對我的聽法很簡單針對服務業商圈的硬體建設請國發會這個主計總署協同我們的經濟部來會同那個跟主計總署爭取商圈及相關服務業的這個硬體建設要不要\n602361\t607445\t我們努力看看 實現是什麼時候你什麼時候提出計畫啊我要跟委員報告為什麼我講這個話我是比較負責任的人因為我的管轄範圍沒有主計處主計總處不歸我管轄所以我是來努力一起協調兩方\n623379\t636554\t是這樣那部長呢你要不要你認同你要不要來替你們下面的你都一直點頭啊我認為你很你很清楚狀況你很清楚啊中小企業你支持船長你支持我們在這個商業發展的部分我們都有積極在規劃\n637875\t640237\t就是缺硬體建設因為其他的什麼AI啦行銷活動啦你們經費也少的可憐啦商發署我也替他講個話但是現在連硬體建設你不在這時候低檔的時候去支持他欸你看到這個數據啊副總裁部長跟主委那個國發會主委啊你們看到這個數據你不會嚇到嗎我們的出國花的錢\n661512\t676245\t國人在國外2024年去年在國花 在光光逆差我們花了6000億台幣在國外耶你怎麼不把那6000億一半就好3000億回到國內來你不正心才怪呢\n677046\t692513\t所以你要用心啊部長您這邊要怎麼做呢可給我一個具體時間你們提出怎麼樣的一個方案來跟如果你努力了主計總署不答應那是主計總署的問題但是你不提出就是你的錯\n693666\t714651\t部長來打回音一下你什麼時候提出這樣的一個振興方案修改一下你們國發署現在的針對商圈餐禮業以及觀光業所以今天包括交通部也沒是今天交通部不是本會啦但是我也會再要求交通部那至少商發署的部分在這個硬體建設上你要提出一個具體的方案一個月可以嗎\n716636\t719840\t努力爭取 我們來努力啦 我們來回歸來看人員副總裁您可以請回座部長這邊還有國發委也請回座我們來看人員中東戰爭對國進人員的威脅\n735037\t737218\t你郭部長這邊你也針對了這個我們我國的原油天然氣會產生20%跟25%的供應風險針對在以以戰爭當中那區域衝突當中呢這個這個郭部長你也講到我們不管怎麼樣我國的油價在民生部分一定會是啞鈴最低價這個本席也肯定\n757222\t784480\t但是呢國營事業他為了配合中央政策出現的虧損行政院呢向行政院爭取補償不要讓國營事業再支持政策卻長遭惡果這是本席要提點你的長期以來因為配合政策的國營事業也希望你們能夠把配合政策的國營事業補貼虧損的補貼法治化就好像我勞退基金一樣啊只要我的勞退基金的營運虧損了\n786701\t795267\t我們有法令喔叫做政府負最後的這個補貼的一個責任喔所以部長您對於這個國營事業因為照你的這樣的一個簡報來講你只講到說電價的部分我們成立了這個電價委員會因為人員的互動我們99%我們的人員是進口的煤氣\n811257\t820461\t還有石油 99%是國外進口所以那種的波動是很大所以國營事業 中油不管進煤 進油 或者進天然氣那它就是會影響到台電因為還是必須它提供中油要提供給台電所以這個虧損 國營事業虧損我不希望變成這種政黨惡鬥的一個工具\n839188\t856962\t這個所以應該是說我應該是一個補貼對於我在什麼樣的機制顧名聲的當時我有一個電價委員會但是當我們的國營事業受到這個政府為了吸收這樣的政府的政策他也會虧損那是不是有一個法制化我覺得我不要你什麼回應承諾但是你要承諾我說好這個是不是願意延逸補貼的一個法制化呢\n863902\t887230\t謝謝委員的這個指教這個部分我們會向院裡面反映我覺得法治化之後就不會說我補台電一千億就又說我們台電怎麼樣的有很多理由那我覺得法治化哪一個政黨執政哪一個政黨哪一個這個立法院的不管他的一個這個席次的變化我們都還是一樣顧到民生也顧到國營事業好再來\n891311\t903679\t這個能源政策當中我也要對郭部長我是跟你肯定因為你支持國企國運國管好為什麼呢我們來看這則新聞中東戰爭威脅在前幾天的時候有六艘的郵輪在接近和睦之海峽改變航線雖然和睦之海峽現在暫時已經沒有這個危機但是那時候的六艘郵輪是來自\n916127\t918129\t挪威 中國 香港 巴拿馬的國家 超級油人是空船去 要去這些油廠 油礦去載油那因為這樣的危險 還沒有說站站 還沒有說封鎖只是傳聞而已喔 這個船長就把他載回來 所以空船\n933886\t958184\t所以國際航運包括飛機航運這個本來就規避氣候戰爭不可抗力的特性條件除船東貨主之外最主要是船長要當下決定判斷所以在台灣雖然你下了指令要朝向國際國運國管講坦白的本席在意的是我們國家國籍的本國的船長跟船員比例的提高\n959085\t978837\t而不是國外的船長 甚至是中國的進入到我們的國家的國際船這個我是點名交通部 交通部的陽明海運 今天交通部沒來所以我就不講話光是陽明海運用了多少的中國籍的船員 我本席還在了解當中\n979737\t996031\t但是我們的這個我們自己的這個中油跟日本的合資的公司你是有下指令但是全台灣最了解原料購買的是誰只有中油所以你下了指令之後不好意思中油還是停止在那邊\n996952\t1022120\t好那這個對於國慶國運國管這件事情我希望這個部長您再一次的督導一下實質的了解謝謝委員這個部分是屬於交通部所以交通部長已經有指示這個船運公司務必落實委員所指導的部分這個你們在踢皮球因為即使是在交通部但是在哪裡訓練\n1024141\t1026485\t還是在中油的接收站啊因為你的汽油來還是在我們的接收站啊接收站是誰 沖油啊是 我沖油的部分會落實這樣的做法\n1038224\t1048927\t希望您這加把勁督導 因為您下了指令之後 中遊好像沒什麼動作好 所以這邊我也希望國發會能夠接同經濟部交通部針對國內的觀光那個主委 請您再聽一下這個接同經濟部交通部一個月內針對國內觀光商圈餐飲提出前瞻且務實的振興補助 部長你也承諾了那一個月內要提出來\n1066412\t1071315\t那像這個主計總處這邊來處理那請國發委協調主計總處雖然這不是你管啦但是我覺得有一個議題你可以做模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業科技半導體電子製造船廠\n1081782\t1097448\t包括這個農業生長觀光零售等衝擊的影響並預早預作準備第三個也請經濟部交通部因為你們國際船還是有交通部所以經濟部交通部集中有兩週內回覆目前我國主要能源的採用國際船員跟船隊船隊跟船長的狀態那並提供後續的改善計畫部長可以嗎國發會主委可以嗎\n1110911\t1139573\t來主委您上台一下兩個同時回應本席的具體建議在尤其是商發署的部分的硬體建設部長這邊要一個月可不可以要提出前瞻且務實那國發會的部分你對跟主計總處要做的事情你要模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業包括服務業的衝擊欲早做住每一個\n1140273\t1162612\t不同匯率下所產生的產業衝擊面你要做什麼方案的因應啊包括這個國籍船隊經濟部交通部跟中油你們對國籍船隊跟船長的狀態才能因應你區域經濟當中大家的一個你進有99%的人員是來自國外來兩位兩位首長回應一下 國安會沒有問題啦有時間的喔我們會來努力 好謝謝\n1168476\t1169829\t好 謝謝 現在休息兩分鐘\n","txt":"好 有請中央銀行 經濟部原副總裁 郭部長\n副總裁在我想從你的報告當中我來跟您做一下呼應從4月30號的台幣匯率32.07到今天6月29.46不到兩個月台幣匯率共升值了2.557超過了7%也就是除了高科技產業之外\n目前國內哪一個產業的淨利可以超過7%的是沒有的所以你看這個匯率變動除了半導體產業之外全部打趴所以我們央行總裁在幾天前他也表示下半年經濟放緩關稅不確定性下降而且均可抑制新台幣的升值預期您這邊講到的下半年經濟晃反\n關稅不確定下降講的是經國國的今年經濟表現會出現負面衝擊嗎我們今年的經濟表現會有產業國際競爭力下降嗎因為你管的是匯率但是所產生的經濟面產業面是這兩個現象嗎請回答\n我們在目前我們預期下半年的經濟成長率大概是0.78左右是 那所以是0.78因為它包括了我們預期我們的出口會減緩因為出口已經提前出貨那整個經濟活動其實是雖然是0.78可是去年的積極很高其實我們的整年還有3.05的情況之下我們覺得我們的經濟其實是還OK的啦\n但是還是有負面衝擊產業國際競爭率會下降所以我們才要做因應嘛我想對我想因為那個匯率對不同的行業有不同的衝擊好很好你說有不同的行業會有不同影響您的簡報第八頁你第七頁說好那既然會匯率升值啦那所以呢企業因應的新台幣升值的主要做法您的第八頁講說啊這個當前國際經貿金融具高度不確定性政府\n應可協助較無能力避險的中小企業傳產業降低新台幣匯率波動的影響你這邊所講的中小企業傳產業有包含服務業嗎\n因為服務業他受到匯率的波動相對的比較小一點真的嗎來那本席要跟你講來來部長來您認為因為從經濟部今天您邀請出席郭部長這邊也許你沒管到那麼細但是你們的幕僚作業我也覺得非常的遺憾你輕忽了今天在台幣升值這件事情來講我們的台幣升值下的產業孤鳥是誰\n就是服務業啊就是商圈啊就是我的的餐旅業啊我的旅館業啊這在本席上個月五月多的質詢就很明確的講所以從你今天出席的名單還是傾覆這一點好那連央行副總裁從你的口中也沒有重視到你認為服務業是不會受影響的喔不要啊那你要不要修正一下來讓你修正一下因為你的簡報沒寫\n來那個先讓部長您回答之前來讓我們副總裁補充一下服務業會有哪些衝擊我剛才是說相對相對的因為出口產業當然我們知道他受到匯率的衝擊我剛才是用傳統產業或中小企業我是說您剛才提到這種內需那服務業我是用相對好相對\n所以相對有多嚴重呢好那部長這邊我也讓您我今天算是第二次的在我們台幣升值之下我們政府的補貼政策只針對出口產業的相關的財務補貼但是我們沒有擴大內需喔所以真的在整個經濟動能的啟動上擴大內需我們是在這一波當中 公件的啟動是沒有的是只是穩住各企業的財務狀況\n那來謝謝委員的提示我想國內的消費會因為這個預期的心理我想消費率會下滑這個內需也會因此而減少這個大概是心理的因素\n那對我們來講的話 我們優先在觀察這個新台幣提升的時候我們當然是先觀察出口的影響 因為出口...這我認同 部長 這一點我是認同經濟部的我認同你經濟部對於出口產業 傳產的部分 製造業的部分你們是非常積極的 這個本席沒有話講可是再一次提醒 今天是我第二次提醒 我們來看喔\n副總裁跟部長你們看這個數據有沒有嚴重2024年出口人次在今年雖然今年還沒有結案然後去年我們的出口人次達1685萬人二十萬人喔就二十四的就這個二十四年來的觀光人次啊2024年的這個出口人出國的來我們本國的觀光人數是多少\n785萬我們出口1685萬人我來2020年來我們去年來我們出國的有1685萬人來到本國觀光的是785萬人多於一半而且其中的赴日本高達600萬這導致台灣2020年的觀光逆差將近220億美元\n6000億台幣這簡單的講就是說我國人到國外旅遊花的錢多於國外的人來到本國旅遊的錢多多少我在國外花的錢多了6000億台幣啊\n副總裁這個叫相對嚴重 輕微嚴重嗎國內旅遊業的經營已經非常辛苦 疫後之後我們慢慢的回升也不過700多萬人次 到去年\n那現在又遇到了這個台幣的升值我們又大量的出國去玩好 那本席在5月14號也提出質詢了提到說台幣大幅升值對國內的觀光商圈餐飲服務業產生大幅的衝擊就讓辛苦經營的服務業雪上加霜但是本席並沒有看到各部會提出具體的振興及紓困的方案\n所以我對於商發署我直接點名這個要讓部長了解一下也許你們沒有辦法注意到那麼多但是我點名你的商發署你們對於還是一樣嘛提出來你們署長很認真到我高雄交集所有的商圈服務業來座談我看了那一本大概六七頁好多頁的報告結果我叫做了無新意\n你對於這麼慘當中你就像你在補助中小企業一樣啊就像部長你在支持支持船廠一樣啊你的硬體建設在您上任這一波我們賴總統是支持過往沒有的中小企業的補助有機械內\n有硬體的所以這個是這一次讓業界可以感受到政府的溫暖可是我們的服務業你的商圈整個改造三四十年了那個街景不用有硬體建設的費用嗎這也是公件哪個商家整個店面的改造我們不用去支持他嗎\n所以這個部長我一定要讓你知道這一點這個多嚴重在這低檔的時候我就積極向中小企業傳產支持他但是他沒有錢部長所以這個我一定要跟部長一起努力在主計處今天主計總處有沒有來沒有好那就只好請這個國發委來主委你要跟主計總處\n您要不要針對這個服務業你要跟我們部長一起協力在主計總書針對服務業的部分怎麼來增加公建的比例來跟委員報告公建有它的特殊規定重大公共建設就是簡單講就是硬體啦我要的就是硬體就像你補助中小企業產產一樣啊或者我們現在商圈都老化你覺得二三十年的商圈老街\n砍爆都不會救水電都不會老舊不會有漏水包括現在的這個氣候變遷氣溫不會升高裡面的人民的這個觀光客進去我們光是國人的消費會沒有這個舒適感會提升嗎所以大家當然往國外跑啊\n這個我們一定會支持經濟部的政策啦 如果他們送過來但是經濟部有困難啊 他也不想要去跟主計總署要錢啊要不然他只有在他的部內的預算宜嘛 宜哪一塊部長都心痛啊這個部分是這樣嗎對啊 你哪一塊 這邊就是少哪一塊來補這個商發署的硬體建設的計畫嘛\n所以那你要今天主計總署沒來那所以你要發揮你的跨部會的協調你要不要來針對我的聽法很簡單針對服務業商圈的硬體建設請國發會這個主計總署協同我們的經濟部來會同那個跟主計總署爭取商圈及相關服務業的這個硬體建設要不要\n我們努力看看 實現是什麼時候你什麼時候提出計畫啊我要跟委員報告為什麼我講這個話我是比較負責任的人因為我的管轄範圍沒有主計處主計總處不歸我管轄所以我是來努力一起協調兩方\n是這樣那部長呢你要不要你認同你要不要來替你們下面的你都一直點頭啊我認為你很你很清楚狀況你很清楚啊中小企業你支持船長你支持我們在這個商業發展的部分我們都有積極在規劃\n就是缺硬體建設因為其他的什麼AI啦行銷活動啦你們經費也少的可憐啦商發署我也替他講個話但是現在連硬體建設你不在這時候低檔的時候去支持他欸你看到這個數據啊副總裁部長跟主委那個國發會主委啊你們看到這個數據你不會嚇到嗎我們的出國花的錢\n國人在國外2024年去年在國花 在光光逆差我們花了6000億台幣在國外耶你怎麼不把那6000億一半就好3000億回到國內來你不正心才怪呢\n所以你要用心啊部長您這邊要怎麼做呢可給我一個具體時間你們提出怎麼樣的一個方案來跟如果你努力了主計總署不答應那是主計總署的問題但是你不提出就是你的錯\n部長來打回音一下你什麼時候提出這樣的一個振興方案修改一下你們國發署現在的針對商圈餐禮業以及觀光業所以今天包括交通部也沒是今天交通部不是本會啦但是我也會再要求交通部那至少商發署的部分在這個硬體建設上你要提出一個具體的方案一個月可以嗎\n努力爭取 我們來努力啦 我們來回歸來看人員副總裁您可以請回座部長這邊還有國發委也請回座我們來看人員中東戰爭對國進人員的威脅\n你郭部長這邊你也針對了這個我們我國的原油天然氣會產生20%跟25%的供應風險針對在以以戰爭當中那區域衝突當中呢這個這個郭部長你也講到我們不管怎麼樣我國的油價在民生部分一定會是啞鈴最低價這個本席也肯定\n但是呢國營事業他為了配合中央政策出現的虧損行政院呢向行政院爭取補償不要讓國營事業再支持政策卻長遭惡果這是本席要提點你的長期以來因為配合政策的國營事業也希望你們能夠把配合政策的國營事業補貼虧損的補貼法治化就好像我勞退基金一樣啊只要我的勞退基金的營運虧損了\n我們有法令喔叫做政府負最後的這個補貼的一個責任喔所以部長您對於這個國營事業因為照你的這樣的一個簡報來講你只講到說電價的部分我們成立了這個電價委員會因為人員的互動我們99%我們的人員是進口的煤氣\n還有石油 99%是國外進口所以那種的波動是很大所以國營事業 中油不管進煤 進油 或者進天然氣那它就是會影響到台電因為還是必須它提供中油要提供給台電所以這個虧損 國營事業虧損我不希望變成這種政黨惡鬥的一個工具\n這個所以應該是說我應該是一個補貼對於我在什麼樣的機制顧名聲的當時我有一個電價委員會但是當我們的國營事業受到這個政府為了吸收這樣的政府的政策他也會虧損那是不是有一個法制化我覺得我不要你什麼回應承諾但是你要承諾我說好這個是不是願意延逸補貼的一個法制化呢\n謝謝委員的這個指教這個部分我們會向院裡面反映我覺得法治化之後就不會說我補台電一千億就又說我們台電怎麼樣的有很多理由那我覺得法治化哪一個政黨執政哪一個政黨哪一個這個立法院的不管他的一個這個席次的變化我們都還是一樣顧到民生也顧到國營事業好再來\n這個能源政策當中我也要對郭部長我是跟你肯定因為你支持國企國運國管好為什麼呢我們來看這則新聞中東戰爭威脅在前幾天的時候有六艘的郵輪在接近和睦之海峽改變航線雖然和睦之海峽現在暫時已經沒有這個危機但是那時候的六艘郵輪是來自\n挪威 中國 香港 巴拿馬的國家 超級油人是空船去 要去這些油廠 油礦去載油那因為這樣的危險 還沒有說站站 還沒有說封鎖只是傳聞而已喔 這個船長就把他載回來 所以空船\n所以國際航運包括飛機航運這個本來就規避氣候戰爭不可抗力的特性條件除船東貨主之外最主要是船長要當下決定判斷所以在台灣雖然你下了指令要朝向國際國運國管講坦白的本席在意的是我們國家國籍的本國的船長跟船員比例的提高\n而不是國外的船長 甚至是中國的進入到我們的國家的國際船這個我是點名交通部 交通部的陽明海運 今天交通部沒來所以我就不講話光是陽明海運用了多少的中國籍的船員 我本席還在了解當中\n但是我們的這個我們自己的這個中油跟日本的合資的公司你是有下指令但是全台灣最了解原料購買的是誰只有中油所以你下了指令之後不好意思中油還是停止在那邊\n好那這個對於國慶國運國管這件事情我希望這個部長您再一次的督導一下實質的了解謝謝委員這個部分是屬於交通部所以交通部長已經有指示這個船運公司務必落實委員所指導的部分這個你們在踢皮球因為即使是在交通部但是在哪裡訓練\n還是在中油的接收站啊因為你的汽油來還是在我們的接收站啊接收站是誰 沖油啊是 我沖油的部分會落實這樣的做法\n希望您這加把勁督導 因為您下了指令之後 中遊好像沒什麼動作好 所以這邊我也希望國發會能夠接同經濟部交通部針對國內的觀光那個主委 請您再聽一下這個接同經濟部交通部一個月內針對國內觀光商圈餐飲提出前瞻且務實的振興補助 部長你也承諾了那一個月內要提出來\n那像這個主計總處這邊來處理那請國發委協調主計總處雖然這不是你管啦但是我覺得有一個議題你可以做模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業科技半導體電子製造船廠\n包括這個農業生長觀光零售等衝擊的影響並預早預作準備第三個也請經濟部交通部因為你們國際船還是有交通部所以經濟部交通部集中有兩週內回覆目前我國主要能源的採用國際船員跟船隊船隊跟船長的狀態那並提供後續的改善計畫部長可以嗎國發會主委可以嗎\n來主委您上台一下兩個同時回應本席的具體建議在尤其是商發署的部分的硬體建設部長這邊要一個月可不可以要提出前瞻且務實那國發會的部分你對跟主計總處要做的事情你要模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業包括服務業的衝擊欲早做住每一個\n不同匯率下所產生的產業衝擊面你要做什麼方案的因應啊包括這個國籍船隊經濟部交通部跟中油你們對國籍船隊跟船長的狀態才能因應你區域經濟當中大家的一個你進有99%的人員是來自國外來兩位兩位首長回應一下 國安會沒有問題啦有時間的喔我們會來努力 好謝謝\n好 謝謝 現在休息兩分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.595 --> 00:09.444\n好有請中央銀行經濟部原副總裁郭部長\n\n00:16.537 --> 00:26.460\n副總裁在我想從你的報告當中我來跟您做一下呼應從4月30號的台幣匯率32.07到今天6月29.46不到兩個月台幣匯率共升值了2.557超過了7%也就是除了高科技產業之外\n\n00:39.224 --> 01:07.279\n目前國內哪一個產業的淨利可以超過7%的是沒有的所以你看這個匯率變動除了半導體產業之外全部打趴所以我們央行總裁在幾天前他也表示下半年經濟放緩關稅不確定性下降而且均可抑制新台幣的升值預期您這邊講到的下半年經濟晃反\n\n01:08.881 --> 01:15.566\n關稅不確定下降講的是經國國的今年經濟表現會出現負面衝擊嗎我們今年的經濟表現會有產業國際競爭力下降嗎因為你管的是匯率但是所產生的經濟面產業面是這兩個現象嗎請回答\n\n01:30.215 --> 01:54.539\n我們在目前我們預期下半年的經濟成長率大概是0.78左右是那所以是0.78因為它包括了我們預期我們的出口會減緩因為出口已經提前出貨那整個經濟活動其實是雖然是0.78可是去年的積極很高其實我們的整年還有3.05的情況之下我們覺得我們的經濟其實是還OK的啦\n\n01:58.300 --> 02:20.386\n但是還是有負面衝擊產業國際競爭率會下降所以我們才要做因應嘛我想對我想因為那個匯率對不同的行業有不同的衝擊好很好你說有不同的行業會有不同影響您的簡報第八頁你第七頁說好那既然會匯率升值啦那所以呢企業因應的新台幣升值的主要做法您的第八頁講說啊這個當前國際經貿金融具高度不確定性政府\n\n02:26.228 --> 02:30.312\n應可協助較無能力避險的中小企業傳產業降低新台幣匯率波動的影響你這邊所講的中小企業傳產業有包含服務業嗎\n\n02:41.308 --> 03:06.064\n因為服務業他受到匯率的波動相對的比較小一點真的嗎來那本席要跟你講來來部長來您認為因為從經濟部今天您邀請出席郭部長這邊也許你沒管到那麼細但是你們的幕僚作業我也覺得非常的遺憾你輕忽了今天在台幣升值這件事情來講我們的台幣升值下的產業孤鳥是誰\n\n03:10.006 --> 03:36.474\n就是服務業啊就是商圈啊就是我的的餐旅業啊我的旅館業啊這在本席上個月五月多的質詢就很明確的講所以從你今天出席的名單還是傾覆這一點好那連央行副總裁從你的口中也沒有重視到你認為服務業是不會受影響的喔不要啊那你要不要修正一下來讓你修正一下因為你的簡報沒寫\n\n03:38.134 --> 03:59.141\n來那個先讓部長您回答之前來讓我們副總裁補充一下服務業會有哪些衝擊我剛才是說相對相對的因為出口產業當然我們知道他受到匯率的衝擊我剛才是用傳統產業或中小企業我是說您剛才提到這種內需那服務業我是用相對好相對\n\n04:00.021 --> 04:05.385\n所以相對有多嚴重呢好那部長這邊我也讓您我今天算是第二次的在我們台幣升值之下我們政府的補貼政策只針對出口產業的相關的財務補貼但是我們沒有擴大內需喔所以真的在整個經濟動能的啟動上擴大內需我們是在這一波當中公件的啟動是沒有的是只是穩住各企業的財務狀況\n\n04:30.081 --> 04:47.603\n那來謝謝委員的提示我想國內的消費會因為這個預期的心理我想消費率會下滑這個內需也會因此而減少這個大概是心理的因素\n\n04:48.604 --> 04:59.228\n那對我們來講的話我們優先在觀察這個新台幣提升的時候我們當然是先觀察出口的影響因為出口...這我認同部長這一點我是認同經濟部的我認同你經濟部對於出口產業傳產的部分製造業的部分你們是非常積極的這個本席沒有話講可是再一次提醒今天是我第二次提醒我們來看喔\n\n05:12.914 --> 05:41.229\n副總裁跟部長你們看這個數據有沒有嚴重2024年出口人次在今年雖然今年還沒有結案然後去年我們的出口人次達1685萬人二十萬人喔就二十四的就這個二十四年來的觀光人次啊2024年的這個出口人出國的來我們本國的觀光人數是多少\n\n05:41.749 --> 05:45.710\n785萬我們出口1685萬人我來2020年來我們去年來我們出國的有1685萬人來到本國觀光的是785萬人多於一半而且其中的赴日本高達600萬這導致台灣2020年的觀光逆差將近220億美元\n\n06:07.597 --> 06:20.565\n6000億台幣這簡單的講就是說我國人到國外旅遊花的錢多於國外的人來到本國旅遊的錢多多少我在國外花的錢多了6000億台幣啊\n\n06:24.227 --> 06:26.509\n副總裁這個叫相對嚴重輕微嚴重嗎國內旅遊業的經營已經非常辛苦疫後之後我們慢慢的回升也不過700多萬人次到去年\n\n06:39.881 --> 06:48.184\n那現在又遇到了這個台幣的升值我們又大量的出國去玩好那本席在5月14號也提出質詢了提到說台幣大幅升值對國內的觀光商圈餐飲服務業產生大幅的衝擊就讓辛苦經營的服務業雪上加霜但是本席並沒有看到各部會提出具體的振興及紓困的方案\n\n07:03.550 --> 07:26.989\n所以我對於商發署我直接點名這個要讓部長了解一下也許你們沒有辦法注意到那麼多但是我點名你的商發署你們對於還是一樣嘛提出來你們署長很認真到我高雄交集所有的商圈服務業來座談我看了那一本大概六七頁好多頁的報告結果我叫做了無新意\n\n07:28.123 --> 07:43.024\n你對於這麼慘當中你就像你在補助中小企業一樣啊就像部長你在支持支持船廠一樣啊你的硬體建設在您上任這一波我們賴總統是支持過往沒有的中小企業的補助有機械內\n\n07:44.145 --> 08:01.492\n有硬體的所以這個是這一次讓業界可以感受到政府的溫暖可是我們的服務業你的商圈整個改造三四十年了那個街景不用有硬體建設的費用嗎這也是公件哪個商家整個店面的改造我們不用去支持他嗎\n\n08:02.592 --> 08:21.165\n所以這個部長我一定要讓你知道這一點這個多嚴重在這低檔的時候我就積極向中小企業傳產支持他但是他沒有錢部長所以這個我一定要跟部長一起努力在主計處今天主計總處有沒有來沒有好那就只好請這個國發委來主委你要跟主計總處\n\n08:24.042 --> 08:51.581\n您要不要針對這個服務業你要跟我們部長一起協力在主計總書針對服務業的部分怎麼來增加公建的比例來跟委員報告公建有它的特殊規定重大公共建設就是簡單講就是硬體啦我要的就是硬體就像你補助中小企業產產一樣啊或者我們現在商圈都老化你覺得二三十年的商圈老街\n\n08:53.182 --> 09:01.328\n砍爆都不會救水電都不會老舊不會有漏水包括現在的這個氣候變遷氣溫不會升高裡面的人民的這個觀光客進去我們光是國人的消費會沒有這個舒適感會提升嗎所以大家當然往國外跑啊\n\n09:13.617 --> 09:30.054\n這個我們一定會支持經濟部的政策啦如果他們送過來但是經濟部有困難啊他也不想要去跟主計總署要錢啊要不然他只有在他的部內的預算宜嘛宜哪一塊部長都心痛啊這個部分是這樣嗎對啊你哪一塊這邊就是少哪一塊來補這個商發署的硬體建設的計畫嘛\n\n09:34.759 --> 09:39.783\n所以那你要今天主計總署沒來那所以你要發揮你的跨部會的協調你要不要來針對我的聽法很簡單針對服務業商圈的硬體建設請國發會這個主計總署協同我們的經濟部來會同那個跟主計總署爭取商圈及相關服務業的這個硬體建設要不要\n\n10:02.361 --> 10:07.445\n我們努力看看實現是什麼時候你什麼時候提出計畫啊我要跟委員報告為什麼我講這個話我是比較負責任的人因為我的管轄範圍沒有主計處主計總處不歸我管轄所以我是來努力一起協調兩方\n\n10:23.379 --> 10:36.554\n是這樣那部長呢你要不要你認同你要不要來替你們下面的你都一直點頭啊我認為你很你很清楚狀況你很清楚啊中小企業你支持船長你支持我們在這個商業發展的部分我們都有積極在規劃\n\n10:37.875 --> 10:40.237\n就是缺硬體建設因為其他的什麼AI啦行銷活動啦你們經費也少的可憐啦商發署我也替他講個話但是現在連硬體建設你不在這時候低檔的時候去支持他欸你看到這個數據啊副總裁部長跟主委那個國發會主委啊你們看到這個數據你不會嚇到嗎我們的出國花的錢\n\n11:01.512 --> 11:16.245\n國人在國外2024年去年在國花在光光逆差我們花了6000億台幣在國外耶你怎麼不把那6000億一半就好3000億回到國內來你不正心才怪呢\n\n11:17.046 --> 11:32.513\n所以你要用心啊部長您這邊要怎麼做呢可給我一個具體時間你們提出怎麼樣的一個方案來跟如果你努力了主計總署不答應那是主計總署的問題但是你不提出就是你的錯\n\n11:33.666 --> 11:54.651\n部長來打回音一下你什麼時候提出這樣的一個振興方案修改一下你們國發署現在的針對商圈餐禮業以及觀光業所以今天包括交通部也沒是今天交通部不是本會啦但是我也會再要求交通部那至少商發署的部分在這個硬體建設上你要提出一個具體的方案一個月可以嗎\n\n11:56.636 --> 11:59.840\n努力爭取我們來努力啦我們來回歸來看人員副總裁您可以請回座部長這邊還有國發委也請回座我們來看人員中東戰爭對國進人員的威脅\n\n12:15.037 --> 12:17.218\n你郭部長這邊你也針對了這個我們我國的原油天然氣會產生20%跟25%的供應風險針對在以以戰爭當中那區域衝突當中呢這個這個郭部長你也講到我們不管怎麼樣我國的油價在民生部分一定會是啞鈴最低價這個本席也肯定\n\n12:37.222 --> 13:04.480\n但是呢國營事業他為了配合中央政策出現的虧損行政院呢向行政院爭取補償不要讓國營事業再支持政策卻長遭惡果這是本席要提點你的長期以來因為配合政策的國營事業也希望你們能夠把配合政策的國營事業補貼虧損的補貼法治化就好像我勞退基金一樣啊只要我的勞退基金的營運虧損了\n\n13:06.701 --> 13:15.267\n我們有法令喔叫做政府負最後的這個補貼的一個責任喔所以部長您對於這個國營事業因為照你的這樣的一個簡報來講你只講到說電價的部分我們成立了這個電價委員會因為人員的互動我們99%我們的人員是進口的煤氣\n\n13:31.257 --> 13:40.461\n還有石油99%是國外進口所以那種的波動是很大所以國營事業中油不管進煤進油或者進天然氣那它就是會影響到台電因為還是必須它提供中油要提供給台電所以這個虧損國營事業虧損我不希望變成這種政黨惡鬥的一個工具\n\n13:59.188 --> 14:16.962\n這個所以應該是說我應該是一個補貼對於我在什麼樣的機制顧名聲的當時我有一個電價委員會但是當我們的國營事業受到這個政府為了吸收這樣的政府的政策他也會虧損那是不是有一個法制化我覺得我不要你什麼回應承諾但是你要承諾我說好這個是不是願意延逸補貼的一個法制化呢\n\n14:23.902 --> 14:47.230\n謝謝委員的這個指教這個部分我們會向院裡面反映我覺得法治化之後就不會說我補台電一千億就又說我們台電怎麼樣的有很多理由那我覺得法治化哪一個政黨執政哪一個政黨哪一個這個立法院的不管他的一個這個席次的變化我們都還是一樣顧到民生也顧到國營事業好再來\n\n14:51.311 --> 15:03.679\n這個能源政策當中我也要對郭部長我是跟你肯定因為你支持國企國運國管好為什麼呢我們來看這則新聞中東戰爭威脅在前幾天的時候有六艘的郵輪在接近和睦之海峽改變航線雖然和睦之海峽現在暫時已經沒有這個危機但是那時候的六艘郵輪是來自\n\n15:16.127 --> 15:18.129\n挪威中國香港巴拿馬的國家超級油人是空船去要去這些油廠油礦去載油那因為這樣的危險還沒有說站站還沒有說封鎖只是傳聞而已喔這個船長就把他載回來所以空船\n\n15:33.886 --> 15:58.184\n所以國際航運包括飛機航運這個本來就規避氣候戰爭不可抗力的特性條件除船東貨主之外最主要是船長要當下決定判斷所以在台灣雖然你下了指令要朝向國際國運國管講坦白的本席在意的是我們國家國籍的本國的船長跟船員比例的提高\n\n15:59.085 --> 16:18.837\n而不是國外的船長甚至是中國的進入到我們的國家的國際船這個我是點名交通部交通部的陽明海運今天交通部沒來所以我就不講話光是陽明海運用了多少的中國籍的船員我本席還在了解當中\n\n16:19.737 --> 16:36.031\n但是我們的這個我們自己的這個中油跟日本的合資的公司你是有下指令但是全台灣最了解原料購買的是誰只有中油所以你下了指令之後不好意思中油還是停止在那邊\n\n16:36.952 --> 17:02.120\n好那這個對於國慶國運國管這件事情我希望這個部長您再一次的督導一下實質的了解謝謝委員這個部分是屬於交通部所以交通部長已經有指示這個船運公司務必落實委員所指導的部分這個你們在踢皮球因為即使是在交通部但是在哪裡訓練\n\n17:04.141 --> 17:06.485\n還是在中油的接收站啊因為你的汽油來還是在我們的接收站啊接收站是誰沖油啊是我沖油的部分會落實這樣的做法\n\n17:18.224 --> 17:28.927\n希望您這加把勁督導因為您下了指令之後中遊好像沒什麼動作好所以這邊我也希望國發會能夠接同經濟部交通部針對國內的觀光那個主委請您再聽一下這個接同經濟部交通部一個月內針對國內觀光商圈餐飲提出前瞻且務實的振興補助部長你也承諾了那一個月內要提出來\n\n17:46.412 --> 17:51.315\n那像這個主計總處這邊來處理那請國發委協調主計總處雖然這不是你管啦但是我覺得有一個議題你可以做模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業科技半導體電子製造船廠\n\n18:01.782 --> 18:17.448\n包括這個農業生長觀光零售等衝擊的影響並預早預作準備第三個也請經濟部交通部因為你們國際船還是有交通部所以經濟部交通部集中有兩週內回覆目前我國主要能源的採用國際船員跟船隊船隊跟船長的狀態那並提供後續的改善計畫部長可以嗎國發會主委可以嗎\n\n18:30.911 --> 18:59.573\n來主委您上台一下兩個同時回應本席的具體建議在尤其是商發署的部分的硬體建設部長這邊要一個月可不可以要提出前瞻且務實那國發會的部分你對跟主計總處要做的事情你要模擬台幣不同匯率下對我國主要產業包括服務業的衝擊欲早做住每一個\n\n19:00.273 --> 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