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00:04:37,336\n你讓這一個事業單位沒有辦法去達到你的標準那你等於就是準備要罰單你去做這樣的一個處分的時候會讓人家覺得不服氣啊那我們如果今天是那你認為人民的健康不值得你們嚴格罰嗎當然要但是如果說為了人民健康大家都不依法行事的超標了才會罰錢啊\n\n13\n00:04:38,766 --> 00:05:07,518\n不是嗎跟委員報告就是用煤量有沒有超標這件事情是根據它所謂的物善修改之後它才超標如果它不去把它改的那個文字原來的兩年前發給許可證的內容它按照這樣子去執行的時候事業單位是可以達標的因為地方改了之後就沒有辦法達標我這樣講啦地方政府是想減煤那我們環境部卻跳出來這個阻擋我請問你們你們是空品的主管機關還是台電的這個法律部\n\n14\n00:05:08,098 --> 00:05:30,018\n跟委員報告我們當然在乎用燃料的項目跟使用量但是我們更在乎的是排放出來的污染物有沒有減量我剛剛也有說明就是說過去從105年到113年它的排放量減少了76%那我們會繼續跟台中市政府督促\n\n15\n00:05:31,018 --> 00:05:57,812\n對所有的台中所有的這樣的一個事業或者是移動污染源等等強強管制為了維護我們台中市民的健康環境部設立的這個宗旨是為了維護國人的健康保護生活品質那生態資源永續發展同時要守護我們國人只有有乾淨的呼吸權環境部存在的目的不是守護臺灣臺電如果身為環境部卻不遵守環境和健康\n\n16\n00:05:59,452 --> 00:06:16,582\n這個卻不守護環境健康那乾脆就改名這個叫護航部啦所以我覺得我們環境部要誠實一點然後公平一點好不好包委員我們要守護國民健康也要依法行政接下來我們講我們現在看那個GoogleMap上面\n\n17\n00:06:18,023 --> 00:06:35,918\n網友為了紀念民進黨這幾年的最大成就就是把山林變成黑色的海洋特地的把地名改成滿滿的光電板台灣的價值世界奇觀綠色奇蹟你們阻止台中市政府守護健康但面對大樹和山光電開發\n\n18\n00:06:38,901 --> 00:06:55,221\n高雄市政府讓山坡地光電消山毀林引發土石流的安全疑慮這個重電毀林的問題環境部我都沒有看到環境部有聲音請問貴部只在管縣市的空屋面對執政縣市的問題直接就不管嗎\n\n19\n00:06:57,882 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Map上面\n378023\t395918\t網友為了紀念民進黨這幾年的最大成就就是把山林變成黑色的海洋特地的把地名改成滿滿的光電板台灣的價值世界奇觀綠色奇蹟你們阻止台中市政府守護健康但面對大樹和山光電開發\n398901\t415221\t高雄市政府讓山坡地光電消山毀林引發土石流的安全疑慮這個重電毀林的問題環境部我都沒有看到環境部有聲音請問貴部只在管縣市的空屋面對執政縣市的問題直接就不管嗎\n417882\t435681\t跟委員報告對於這個光電如果是設在這種敏感地區的話當然有一定的法規要依循那對於其他的設置的地點規模以下的當然就是依照各部份的規範他現在是規避環值環評嘛對不對跟委員報告因為這個案子是不是請我們能源署的署長這邊來做一個說明\n439862\t466243\t報告那個環評目前已經修正超過15公頃它是要做環評那不過這個案是早期的開發案可是它做水土保持的時候它違反水土保持法那高雄市政府開發7次那已經在昨天高雄市政府就撤銷了它的開發許可那我們這邊經濟部也在昨天同時撤銷了它的籌設許可那我問你那後來後續會怎麼樣這後續怎麼處理\n468206\t485758\t後續那個一就是水保法他高雄因為他現在不是除了罰你們罰了然後要恢復原狀嗎罰了要恢復原狀我們就是說他超出他原來核准範圍外的那麼他要恢復原狀他要罰除他已經設置的部分\n486298\t513622\t那至於他另外有一個是違反稅包法那這個高雄市政府會議稅包法處理他罰他幾次沒有 他當初應該是一公頃一公頃申請嘛 是吧沒有 他當時內政部核准五十一公頃但是射光電的地方只核准他二十一公頃那現在他整個整地違反稅包法是他把整個五十一公頃大概都快推平了那個環評法第十八條\n514843\t534133\t開發行為進行中或完成後使用時應由目的事業主管機關追蹤並由主管機關監督環境影響說明書還有評估書及審查結論之執行情形那必要時得命開發單位定期提出環境影響調查報告書\n535774\t555484\t我的意思是說當時的法定是沒有錯是許可的早期對 那早期的那但是因為我們這個時間一直在變嘛那我們在後續追蹤它確實有影響的時候是不是我們就要要求我們這些業者要做這些事情是的 環評是要做後續追蹤好啦 我希望你們這個確實執行了好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席好我們請省次長來 請次長好 次長好委員好今天我們談PM0.1超續懸浮微粒的生成機制大概我們是分兩大類那一次粒子與二次粒子對吧\n是這樣分嗎是直接排放的跟這個隱身物然後一次粒子是直接從污染源排放出來的粒狀物像是藍莓電廠工業鍋爐柴油引擎直接排放的這個黑煙黑炭重金屬微粒這些都是在這個PM0.1的主要來源之一那二次粒子則是進入空氣中的氣體污染物像是氮氧化物二氧化硫\n揮發性有機物發生化學反應生成同樣會形成這個PM0.1那這些來源當中固定污染源就是工業燃燒跟火力發電會直接排出一次粒子也大量\n也排放大量的這個二次粒子的前驅氣體可以說是雙重的這個貢獻者那我很好奇就是說為什麼你們今天的報告裡面在移動污染源部分特別加粗只有在講汽機車交通流量這些移動污染源的監測設備完全不提這個固定污染源的後續對策那我想請問一下你看一下就是說\n你們談論到空污關係到能源議題就會讓你們很焦慮要特別閃躲還是說台灣的PM0.1是漲了導航系統為什麼我們在監測設備總是裝在馬路上車零一多就有大數據分析那電廠一冒煙就全部都沒有資訊\n這是科學監測還是政策選擇的這個閃躲還是其實殖民黨政府不想面對那個最核心最沉重的這個能源污染的問題那我想請問次長接下來你們有準備在火力發電廠周邊設置檢測站嗎\n跟委員報告那工廠的部分包括火力發電廠本來就是大家很關心的這個固定污染源的排放過去的策戰政府的策戰不管是中央或是地方也都是跟隨這樣的一個污染來源然後去設這樣的策戰\n要知道它對我們生活居家的環境所造成的衝擊跟影響過去對於移動污染源的部分測的比較少那現在就是世界衛生組織以及歐盟提醒我們移動污染源會產生超細旋污染源你現在是說我們的這些火力發電廠這些都已經有設了過去都有在監測都有監測對 而且自己也要設監測站數據咧你們都沒有數據有連線\n都有公開都有公開是嗎是因為我們覺得啦就是說你不單不能只是這個測這個移動污染源啦因為那個是移動污染源比較少對因為那個固定的工廠它是其實排放量更大那你們當然現在把他責任推到推到說是移動污染源研究我們不是推責任是國際的趨勢共同研究的結果好那我再請問你齁\n那台中市這個依法對中火裁罰總共開出了1800萬的罰單請問環境部是不是覺得台電繳1800萬太可憐了你們是要守護環境還是心疼台電而且你們中火排放超標你們不急被罰1800萬你們馬上跳出來這個撤罰\n現在辦議書你們還要相處嗎跟委員報告他不是只有罰1800萬還撤銷3號4號機組的一個許可所以重點是這樣子就是說今天政府不管中央還是地方都要維護空氣品質保護人民的健康但是我們必須依法行政重點就是在你執法的過程當中你用物善的方式去說明變更這個許可證的內容\n你讓這一個事業單位沒有辦法去達到你的標準那你等於就是準備要罰單你去做這樣的一個處分的時候會讓人家覺得不服氣啊那我們如果今天是那你認為人民的健康不值得你們嚴格罰嗎當然要 但是如果說為了人民健康大家都不依法行事的超標了才會罰錢啊\n不是嗎跟委員報告就是用煤量有沒有超標這件事情是根據它所謂的物善修改之後它才超標如果它不去把它改的那個文字原來的兩年前發給許可證的內容它按照這樣子去執行的時候事業單位是可以達標的因為地方改了之後就沒有辦法達標我這樣講啦地方政府是想減煤那我們環境部卻跳出來這個阻擋我請問你們你們是空品的主管機關還是台電的這個法律部\n跟委員報告我們當然在乎用燃料的項目跟使用量但是我們更在乎的是排放出來的污染物有沒有減量我剛剛也有說明就是說過去從105年到113年它的排放量減少了76%那我們會繼續跟台中市政府督促\n對所有的台中所有的這樣的一個事業或者是移動污染源等等強強管制為了維護我們台中市民的健康環境部設立的這個宗旨是為了維護國人的健康保護生活品質那生態資源永續發展同時要守護我們國人只有有乾淨的呼吸權環境部存在的目的不是守護臺灣臺電如果身為環境部卻不遵守環境和健康\n這個卻不守護環境健康那乾脆就改名這個叫護航部啦所以我覺得我們環境部要誠實一點然後公平一點好不好包委員我們要守護國民健康也要依法行政接下來我們講我們現在看那個Google 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