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00:03:05,542\n這個農業部之前為了加快廚藝養豬轉型造成最大的因素嘛因為這個非洲豬瘟才讓我們農業部對於廚藝養豬這個轉型那107年非洲豬瘟入境之後我們那時候農業部有查理一下我們全國那時候\n\n9\n00:03:06,822 --> 00:03:26,543\n廚育養豬有2045家那當然那時候就發現有66場是沒有廚育真主設備全國只有300多家這個真主廚育的方式有達到環保署的要求標準那後來農業部也針對\n\n10\n00:03:28,084 --> 00:03:45,554\n這一波提出了一些政策包含自願退場補助還有飼料差額補助那當然這些補助之後他補助飼料之後就規定10年內不能使用廚餘養豬那在110年10月的時候他有公告200頭以下的\n\n11\n00:03:53,119 --> 00:04:15,200\n豬場禁止使用除於飼養那200頭以上除於廢棄物也是需要經過直轄縣市政府環境保護主管機關因廢棄法的規定核准那當然從此我們這個小型豬農除於養豬就正式進入歷史當然\n\n12\n00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:34,486\n這些講的部分這個政策是農業部跟環境部沒有關係但是後來在去年8月27號的時候非洲豬瘟中央災害應變中心第31次會議的時候農業部部長陳俊基\n\n13\n00:04:35,166 --> 00:04:57,111\n就在會中就要求我們環境部環管署來研議現有的養豬場目前我們查過現有435間它的真主設施周邊要求它裝設即時監控影像系統的可行性那請教我一下次長是不是有這個事情\n\n14\n00:04:58,288 --> 00:05:23,488\n有的確是有現在目前有四百三十幾個場就是兩百頭以上的那要求要裝CCTV去監控而且他每一天要飼料要蒸煮一個小時90度C以上他必須要把那個蒸煮的照片拍上傳讓我們可以去管控那據我們了解像今天下午環管署是不是要召開廚藥養豬場裝設即時錄影監視系統\n\n15\n00:05:28,324 --> 00:05:48,478\n這個溝通資商會議是不是今天下午要開今天下午有一個會議是所以據我們瞭解好像這個研議規劃廚餘養豬農要求以下這些設備變成強制的規定就是必須要有即時監測的設備設置在指定的地點然後監測廚餘運送車輛車牌等資訊還有就是要有\n\n16\n00:05:53,081 --> 00:06:08,082\n及時溫度的監測設備設置在我們儲域珍珠中心的溫度位置以上的監控資訊必須要及時傳送到環保機關的監控系統平台是不是這樣\n\n17\n00:06:10,811 --> 00:06:10,931\n因為據我們了解\n\n18\n00:06:31,257 --> 00:06:58,376\n好像我們環境部好像針對這一部分好像要針對我們剛剛講的以下設備好像說傾向要變成強制規定是不是這樣因為還是要看我們的設備跟不跟得上像如果是集體追蹤系統的話GPS是已經有的主要是中心的真主的溫度能不能看得到能不能即時反應的溫度那我們現在也在找業界還有我們的養豬戶大家一起來討論今天下午會做一個比較深入的討論\n\n19\n00:06:58,991 --> 00:07:17,398\n那請問一下我們之前我們沒有相關的管理規範嗎我們之前有規範但是沒有CCTV沒有即時監測都要靠稽查員到現場來做採證所以就是農業部認為環境部在這一部分的監管強度不足\n\n20\n00:07:18,353 --> 00:07:35,008\n他是建議如果可以有更好的科學的方法那我們可以一起來共同來投入這些非洲豬瘟的防治的工作所以現在農業部針對這部分他是希望能夠加強來做嘛是不是是他希望能夠一起來加強來做那針對這部分喔\n\n21\n00:07:37,213 --> 00:08:05,800\n我們了解去年8月防疫中心會議的時候他們就是決定並指定說環境部必須研議豬農必須設置及時監測裝置所以針對他現在要求這個監管的方式跟強度那我請問一下農業部是否有提供我們環境部針對監管手段必要性的說明或者報告農業部有提供嗎\n\n22\n00:08:06,685 --> 00:08:32,757\n這個部分倒是沒有都是在會議上大家交換意見那我們也正在研議中所以針對農業部自己這部分他都沒有去做為什麼一下就要求我們環境部要去必要一定要去實施這個因為養豬的那個廚餘的來源很多是我們家戶或者事業所產生的這個廚餘的廢棄物那這個部分我們有責任來做部分的監控那我們基於部會的議題我們來協助共同防治非洲豬瘟\n\n23\n00:08:33,607 --> 00:08:57,773\n所以我覺得農業部自己針對監管手段必要性這個說明跟報告他都沒有去做現在就要求環境部要去做那當然難怪現在其實很多豬農反映據他們說這個做法非常的繁瑣最主要會加重他們很大的成本當然他們說之前非洲豬瘟全部\n\n24\n00:08:58,979 --> 00:09:08,668\n除以轉型就已經很多豬農就已經就已經被滅農了那如果現在再這樣做他們說根本就是又再一次滅這豬農之嫌啊\n\n25\n00:09:11,567 --> 00:09:27,836\n我們會收集各界的意見達到共識然後確實可行的時候才會來落實推進所以我們應該要農業部自己應該之前要有完善的研究那要有完整的配套措施我覺得再來實施是不是才比較正確各位委員報告因為今天農業部沒有在場應該是沒有\n\n26\n00:09:29,637 --> 00:09:53,656\n對啊我現在的意思是說農業部自己該做的沒有做那你環境部就去配合這很奇怪啊他沒有一個手段必要性的完整報告給你就要求你環境部去做那你環境部沒有看到這報告你現在就配合那豬農難怪會認為說你沒有完整的數據研究你就貿然就要求豬農去做這些即時監測的設備\n\n27\n00:09:55,397 --> 00:10:01,967\n跟委員報告啦就是說非洲豬瘟這個過去就是說過去的執行的成效其實是好的\n\n28\n00:10:02,964 --> 00:10:24,372\n那過去用的方法我們用高溫蒸煮的方式然後即時回傳這個也達到這樣的管控效果了那過去那個廚藝桶在路邊隨意擺設怕人家會丟入這個肉食類的廚藝這個部分也都把它移除了所以家長巡檢還有各養豬場配合這個都做到了以至於現在我們惠州豬瘟在台灣是絕跡的\n\n29\n00:10:25,922 --> 00:10:45,869\n那這樣的強度為什麼還要去加強可能必須要去跟這個農業部還有我們的這個養豬場這邊好好溝通這樣做可能會增加成本當然也會造成一些不方便但是對我們稽查管制來講是比較方便的所以這個不能容許我們跟\n\n30\n00:10:47,229 --> 00:11:10,456\n農業部這邊在今天下午開會的時候農業部應該會一起出來嘛那我們會把這個議題再把委員關心的事情我們一併把它納入討論對啊今天會提出就是因為你們下午要去講這部分而且據他們了解你們好像是準備想要強制規定那我們才會說農業部針對這些手段的報告跟說明都沒有去完善而且你在當然啦\n\n31\n00:11:11,096 --> 00:11:33,311\n我們這個非洲豬瘟這個防疫豬農甚至本席我們我相信一般民眾都希望把這個防疫的工作做好這是我們大家所希望也是我們要求的但是現在養豬豬農他認為說你養豬場在廚藥管理之前其實他前面就有邊境管制那針對我們非洲豬瘟肉品這邊\n\n32\n00:11:34,492 --> 00:11:48,597\n邊境管制這第一關那你再來進入豬場之前還有一個渠道管制就是除於這運送過程要進入這個這個回收場之前所以不能說前面這個幾個階段\n\n33\n00:11:50,417 --> 00:12:16,031\n沒有去做全部加重在後面豬農養豬的身上不會那個前面各個關卡各相關部會各有職職者在做這個事情我們只是希望說確保這件事情不要有一個破口不然的話我們整個防疫體制就破功了是這樣管您所以這樣做是不是會加重當然會造成這個成本的增加等等那這部分我們在下午的時候看看怎麼樣來討論這個部分\n\n34\n00:12:18,232 --> 00:12:28,409\n當然我們說這個非洲豬是防疫工作當然能夠做得完善當然是最好所以我們剛剛有講前面其實在這進場之前一個邊境管制還有他一個一個\n\n35\n00:12:30,359 --> 00:12:50,561\n渠道的管制然後當然第三關才是進入到我們養豬場好這個廚餘真主這一部分那現在豬農擔心的是現在把所有好像整個幾乎加注在他們的身上沒有不是這樣子的啊我們也希望如果要去做我們要有一個完整的\n\n36\n00:12:51,722 --> 00:13:08,636\n是不是這個必要性還有你今天要求他去做勢必要增加他很多的成本那我們有沒有完整的配套跟補助不然這個把所有的成本都加注在豬農的身上勢必到時候還是反映在我們消費者上面\n\n37\n00:13:09,517 --> 00:13:35,006\n因為豬籠這邊是最後一個把關那我們當然是滴水不漏是我們最重要的一個終極目標那我們要好好的跟豬籠來溝通謝謝委員所以我說今天提出的就是你們下午開會討論的時候希望針對這幾個部分前面邊境管制渠道管制再來才是第三個叫豬籠的珍珠設備這一邊那是不是這三個地方都應該要\n\n38\n00:13:35,906 --> 00:14:02,305\n都要去做不能全部都加注在豬農的身上而且你今天要去做你的配套跟補助你有想過嗎那全部成本加注在他身上勢必又反映在消費者身上又造成我們豬價的上漲那這部分也希望我們環境部跟農業部好好地研議好謝謝好謝謝土匪謝謝市長我們現在休息十分鐘謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4997\t8170\t都委員宣導完我們就先休息十分鐘好謝謝好謝謝主席請我們次長來請次長\n18090\t38830\t市長那今天先我們來關心一下我們環境部在5月初有成立一個資源循環新創產業聯盟那這也是延續我們去年8加N資源循環聯盟那請問一下這兩個聯盟差別在哪去年成立的跟今年成立的差別在哪裡那個\n45967\t56644\t我請我們副署長說明一下跟委員報告一樣那兩個的方式就是說他的成員不一樣他的目的也不太一樣\n58685\t84711\t成員不一樣目的也不同那我想請問一下那在這個聯盟成立之前他有公開報名的資訊嗎是我們是有一個公開的一個資訊然後請那個產業別我們是由在我們網路上進行公告在網路上那可能宣傳不夠因為我們也找不到這個公開的資訊是在我們\n85931\t104951\t我們循環署的網路循環署的網路是那因為喔這個有些產業有一些質疑啦沒關係先問一下那它有具備什麼條件才能入選有限制規模還是大小還是資本的嗎基本上是沒有沒有這個都沒有限制是我們是用鼓勵的性質\n106411\t134413\t是鼓勵的性質因為我們現在收到很多產業他們說對於這個他們也不知道有這件事情喔那很多產業他們也希望能夠參加這個8加N的N當然也希望跟我們公部門建立一些交流啦那所以我們希望說在這一部分喔往後這個公開報名遴選的資訊是盡量要廣宣啦因為他們很多後來才知道就是說奇怪怎麼\n135033\t163836\t我們環境部有做這個產業都很想參加可是居然都不再有這個訊息是我們加強所以那希望說針對這部分以後再宣傳的部分再多加強因為覺得產業會覺得說好像這有一點好像不是很公開在做那這部分我們再加強一下好那我們針對我們非洲豬瘟的部分我想請問一下那非洲豬瘟當然也是\n165817\t185542\t這個農業部之前為了加快廚藝養豬轉型造成最大的因素嘛因為這個非洲豬瘟才讓我們農業部對於廚藝養豬這個轉型那107年非洲豬瘟入境之後我們那時候農業部有查理一下我們全國那時候\n186822\t206543\t廚育養豬有2045家那當然那時候就發現有66場是沒有廚育真主設備全國只有300多家這個真主廚育的方式有達到環保署的要求標準那後來農業部也針對\n208084\t225554\t這一波提出了一些政策包含自願退場補助還有飼料差額補助那當然這些補助之後他補助飼料之後就規定10年內不能使用廚餘養豬那在110年10月的時候他有公告200頭以下的\n233119\t255200\t豬場禁止使用除於飼養那200頭以上除於廢棄物也是需要經過直轄縣市政府環境保護主管機關因廢棄法的規定核准那當然從此我們這個小型豬農除於養豬就正式進入歷史當然\n256120\t274486\t這些講的部分這個政策是農業部跟環境部沒有關係但是後來在去年8月27號的時候非洲豬瘟中央災害應變中心第31次會議的時候農業部部長陳俊基\n275166\t297111\t就在會中就要求我們環境部環管署來研議現有的養豬場目前我們查過現有435間它的真主設施周邊要求它裝設即時監控影像系統的可行性那請教我一下次長是不是有這個事情\n298288\t323488\t有的確是有 現在目前有四百三十幾個場就是兩百頭以上的那要求要裝CCTV去監控而且他每一天要飼料要蒸煮一個小時90度C以上他必須要把那個蒸煮的照片拍上傳讓我們可以去管控那據我們了解像今天下午環管署是不是要召開廚藥養豬場裝設即時錄影監視系統\n328324\t348478\t這個溝通資商會議是不是今天下午要開今天下午有一個會議是所以據我們瞭解好像這個研議規劃廚餘養豬農要求以下這些設備變成強制的規定就是必須要有即時監測的設備設置在指定的地點然後監測廚餘運送車輛車牌等資訊還有就是要有\n353081\t368082\t及時溫度的監測設備設置在我們儲域珍珠中心的溫度位置以上的監控資訊必須要及時傳送到環保機關的監控系統平台是不是這樣\n370811\t370931\t因為據我們了解\n391257\t418376\t好像我們環境部好像針對這一部分好像要針對我們剛剛講的以下設備好像說傾向要變成強制規定是不是這樣因為還是要看我們的設備跟不跟得上像如果是集體追蹤系統的話GPS是已經有的主要是中心的真主的溫度能不能看得到能不能即時反應的溫度那我們現在也在找業界還有我們的養豬戶大家一起來討論今天下午會做一個比較深入的討論\n418991\t437398\t那請問一下我們之前我們沒有相關的管理規範嗎我們之前有規範但是沒有CCTV沒有即時監測都要靠稽查員到現場來做採證所以就是農業部認為環境部在這一部分的監管強度不足\n438353\t455008\t他是建議如果可以有更好的科學的方法那我們可以一起來共同來投入這些非洲豬瘟的防治的工作所以現在農業部針對這部分他是希望能夠加強來做嘛 是不是是 他希望能夠一起來加強來做那針對這部分喔\n457213\t485800\t我們了解去年8月防疫中心會議的時候他們就是決定並指定說環境部必須研議豬農必須設置及時監測裝置所以針對他現在要求這個監管的方式跟強度那我請問一下農業部是否有提供我們環境部針對監管手段必要性的說明或者報告農業部有提供嗎\n486685\t512757\t這個部分倒是沒有都是在會議上大家交換意見那我們也正在研議中所以針對農業部自己這部分他都沒有去做為什麼一下就要求我們環境部要去必要一定要去實施這個因為養豬的那個廚餘的來源很多是我們家戶或者事業所產生的這個廚餘的廢棄物那這個部分我們有責任來做部分的監控那我們基於部會的議題我們來協助共同防治非洲豬瘟\n513607\t537773\t所以我覺得農業部自己針對監管手段必要性這個說明跟報告他都沒有去做現在就要求環境部要去做那當然難怪現在其實很多豬農反映據他們說這個做法非常的繁瑣最主要會加重他們很大的成本當然他們說之前非洲豬瘟全部\n538979\t548668\t除以轉型就已經很多豬農就已經就已經被滅農了那如果現在再這樣做他們說根本就是又再一次滅這豬農之嫌啊\n551567\t567836\t我們會收集各界的意見達到共識然後確實可行的時候才會來落實推進所以我們應該要農業部自己應該之前要有完善的研究那要有完整的配套措施我覺得再來實施是不是才比較正確各位委員報告因為今天農業部沒有在場應該是沒有\n569637\t593656\t對啊我現在的意思是說農業部自己該做的沒有做那你環境部就去配合這很奇怪啊他沒有一個手段必要性的完整報告給你就要求你環境部去做那你環境部沒有看到這報告你現在就配合那豬農難怪會認為說你沒有完整的數據研究你就貿然就要求豬農去做這些即時監測的設備\n595397\t601967\t跟委員報告啦就是說 非洲豬瘟這個過去就是說過去的執行的成效其實是好的\n602964\t624372\t那過去用的方法我們用高溫蒸煮的方式然後即時回傳這個也達到這樣的管控效果了那過去那個廚藝桶在路邊隨意擺設怕人家會丟入這個肉食類的廚藝這個部分也都把它移除了所以家長巡檢還有各養豬場配合這個都做到了以至於現在我們惠州豬瘟在台灣是絕跡的\n625922\t645869\t那這樣的強度為什麼還要去加強可能必須要去跟這個農業部還有我們的這個養豬場這邊好好溝通這樣做可能會增加成本當然也會造成一些不方便但是對我們稽查管制來講是比較方便的所以這個不能容許我們跟\n647229\t670456\t農業部這邊在今天下午開會的時候農業部應該會一起出來嘛那我們會把這個議題再把委員關心的事情我們一併把它納入討論對啊今天會提出就是因為你們下午要去講這部分而且據他們了解你們好像是準備想要強制規定那我們才會說農業部針對這些手段的報告跟說明都沒有去完善而且你在當然啦\n671096\t693311\t我們這個非洲豬瘟這個防疫豬農甚至本席我們我相信一般民眾都希望把這個防疫的工作做好這是我們大家所希望也是我們要求的但是現在養豬豬農他認為說你養豬場在廚藥管理之前其實他前面就有邊境管制那針對我們非洲豬瘟肉品這邊\n694492\t708597\t邊境管制這第一關那你再來進入豬場之前還有一個渠道管制就是除於這運送過程要進入這個這個回收場之前所以不能說前面這個幾個階段\n710417\t736031\t沒有去做全部加重在後面豬農養豬的身上不會 那個前面各個關卡 各相關部會各有職職者在做這個事情我們只是希望說確保這件事情不要有一個破口不然的話我們整個防疫體制就破功了是這樣 管您所以這樣做是不是會加重當然會造成這個成本的增加等等那這部分我們在下午的時候看看怎麼樣來討論這個部分\n738232\t748409\t當然我們說這個非洲豬是防疫工作當然能夠做得完善當然是最好所以我們剛剛有講前面其實在這進場之前一個邊境管制還有他一個一個\n750359\t770561\t渠道的管制然後當然第三關才是進入到我們養豬場好這個廚餘真主這一部分那現在豬農擔心的是現在把所有好像整個幾乎加注在他們的身上沒有不是這樣子的啊我們也希望如果要去做我們要有一個完整的\n771722\t788636\t是不是這個必要性還有你今天要求他去做勢必要增加他很多的成本那我們有沒有完整的配套跟補助不然這個把所有的成本都加注在豬農的身上勢必到時候還是反映在我們消費者上面\n789517\t815006\t因為豬籠這邊是最後一個把關那我們當然是滴水不漏是我們最重要的一個終極目標那我們要好好的跟豬籠來溝通謝謝委員所以我說今天提出的就是你們下午開會討論的時候希望針對這幾個部分前面邊境管制渠道管制再來才是第三個叫豬籠的珍珠設備這一邊那是不是這三個地方都應該要\n815906\t842305\t都要去做不能全部都加注在豬農的身上而且你今天要去做你的配套跟補助你有想過嗎那全部成本加注在他身上勢必又反映在消費者身上又造成我們豬價的上漲那這部分也希望我們環境部跟農業部好好地研議好 謝謝好 謝謝土匪 謝謝市長我們現在休息十分鐘 謝謝\n","txt":"都委員宣導完我們就先休息十分鐘好謝謝好謝謝主席請我們次長來請次長\n市長那今天先我們來關心一下我們環境部在5月初有成立一個資源循環新創產業聯盟那這也是延續我們去年8加N資源循環聯盟那請問一下這兩個聯盟差別在哪去年成立的跟今年成立的差別在哪裡那個\n我請我們副署長說明一下跟委員報告一樣那兩個的方式就是說他的成員不一樣他的目的也不太一樣\n成員不一樣目的也不同那我想請問一下那在這個聯盟成立之前他有公開報名的資訊嗎是我們是有一個公開的一個資訊然後請那個產業別我們是由在我們網路上進行公告在網路上那可能宣傳不夠因為我們也找不到這個公開的資訊是在我們\n我們循環署的網路循環署的網路是那因為喔這個有些產業有一些質疑啦沒關係先問一下那它有具備什麼條件才能入選有限制規模還是大小還是資本的嗎基本上是沒有沒有這個都沒有限制是我們是用鼓勵的性質\n是鼓勵的性質因為我們現在收到很多產業他們說對於這個他們也不知道有這件事情喔那很多產業他們也希望能夠參加這個8加N的N當然也希望跟我們公部門建立一些交流啦那所以我們希望說在這一部分喔往後這個公開報名遴選的資訊是盡量要廣宣啦因為他們很多後來才知道就是說奇怪怎麼\n我們環境部有做這個產業都很想參加可是居然都不再有這個訊息是我們加強所以那希望說針對這部分以後再宣傳的部分再多加強因為覺得產業會覺得說好像這有一點好像不是很公開在做那這部分我們再加強一下好那我們針對我們非洲豬瘟的部分我想請問一下那非洲豬瘟當然也是\n這個農業部之前為了加快廚藝養豬轉型造成最大的因素嘛因為這個非洲豬瘟才讓我們農業部對於廚藝養豬這個轉型那107年非洲豬瘟入境之後我們那時候農業部有查理一下我們全國那時候\n廚育養豬有2045家那當然那時候就發現有66場是沒有廚育真主設備全國只有300多家這個真主廚育的方式有達到環保署的要求標準那後來農業部也針對\n這一波提出了一些政策包含自願退場補助還有飼料差額補助那當然這些補助之後他補助飼料之後就規定10年內不能使用廚餘養豬那在110年10月的時候他有公告200頭以下的\n豬場禁止使用除於飼養那200頭以上除於廢棄物也是需要經過直轄縣市政府環境保護主管機關因廢棄法的規定核准那當然從此我們這個小型豬農除於養豬就正式進入歷史當然\n這些講的部分這個政策是農業部跟環境部沒有關係但是後來在去年8月27號的時候非洲豬瘟中央災害應變中心第31次會議的時候農業部部長陳俊基\n就在會中就要求我們環境部環管署來研議現有的養豬場目前我們查過現有435間它的真主設施周邊要求它裝設即時監控影像系統的可行性那請教我一下次長是不是有這個事情\n有的確是有 現在目前有四百三十幾個場就是兩百頭以上的那要求要裝CCTV去監控而且他每一天要飼料要蒸煮一個小時90度C以上他必須要把那個蒸煮的照片拍上傳讓我們可以去管控那據我們了解像今天下午環管署是不是要召開廚藥養豬場裝設即時錄影監視系統\n這個溝通資商會議是不是今天下午要開今天下午有一個會議是所以據我們瞭解好像這個研議規劃廚餘養豬農要求以下這些設備變成強制的規定就是必須要有即時監測的設備設置在指定的地點然後監測廚餘運送車輛車牌等資訊還有就是要有\n及時溫度的監測設備設置在我們儲域珍珠中心的溫度位置以上的監控資訊必須要及時傳送到環保機關的監控系統平台是不是這樣\n因為據我們了解\n好像我們環境部好像針對這一部分好像要針對我們剛剛講的以下設備好像說傾向要變成強制規定是不是這樣因為還是要看我們的設備跟不跟得上像如果是集體追蹤系統的話GPS是已經有的主要是中心的真主的溫度能不能看得到能不能即時反應的溫度那我們現在也在找業界還有我們的養豬戶大家一起來討論今天下午會做一個比較深入的討論\n那請問一下我們之前我們沒有相關的管理規範嗎我們之前有規範但是沒有CCTV沒有即時監測都要靠稽查員到現場來做採證所以就是農業部認為環境部在這一部分的監管強度不足\n他是建議如果可以有更好的科學的方法那我們可以一起來共同來投入這些非洲豬瘟的防治的工作所以現在農業部針對這部分他是希望能夠加強來做嘛 是不是是 他希望能夠一起來加強來做那針對這部分喔\n我們了解去年8月防疫中心會議的時候他們就是決定並指定說環境部必須研議豬農必須設置及時監測裝置所以針對他現在要求這個監管的方式跟強度那我請問一下農業部是否有提供我們環境部針對監管手段必要性的說明或者報告農業部有提供嗎\n這個部分倒是沒有都是在會議上大家交換意見那我們也正在研議中所以針對農業部自己這部分他都沒有去做為什麼一下就要求我們環境部要去必要一定要去實施這個因為養豬的那個廚餘的來源很多是我們家戶或者事業所產生的這個廚餘的廢棄物那這個部分我們有責任來做部分的監控那我們基於部會的議題我們來協助共同防治非洲豬瘟\n所以我覺得農業部自己針對監管手段必要性這個說明跟報告他都沒有去做現在就要求環境部要去做那當然難怪現在其實很多豬農反映據他們說這個做法非常的繁瑣最主要會加重他們很大的成本當然他們說之前非洲豬瘟全部\n除以轉型就已經很多豬農就已經就已經被滅農了那如果現在再這樣做他們說根本就是又再一次滅這豬農之嫌啊\n我們會收集各界的意見達到共識然後確實可行的時候才會來落實推進所以我們應該要農業部自己應該之前要有完善的研究那要有完整的配套措施我覺得再來實施是不是才比較正確各位委員報告因為今天農業部沒有在場應該是沒有\n對啊我現在的意思是說農業部自己該做的沒有做那你環境部就去配合這很奇怪啊他沒有一個手段必要性的完整報告給你就要求你環境部去做那你環境部沒有看到這報告你現在就配合那豬農難怪會認為說你沒有完整的數據研究你就貿然就要求豬農去做這些即時監測的設備\n跟委員報告啦就是說 非洲豬瘟這個過去就是說過去的執行的成效其實是好的\n那過去用的方法我們用高溫蒸煮的方式然後即時回傳這個也達到這樣的管控效果了那過去那個廚藝桶在路邊隨意擺設怕人家會丟入這個肉食類的廚藝這個部分也都把它移除了所以家長巡檢還有各養豬場配合這個都做到了以至於現在我們惠州豬瘟在台灣是絕跡的\n那這樣的強度為什麼還要去加強可能必須要去跟這個農業部還有我們的這個養豬場這邊好好溝通這樣做可能會增加成本當然也會造成一些不方便但是對我們稽查管制來講是比較方便的所以這個不能容許我們跟\n農業部這邊在今天下午開會的時候農業部應該會一起出來嘛那我們會把這個議題再把委員關心的事情我們一併把它納入討論對啊今天會提出就是因為你們下午要去講這部分而且據他們了解你們好像是準備想要強制規定那我們才會說農業部針對這些手段的報告跟說明都沒有去完善而且你在當然啦\n我們這個非洲豬瘟這個防疫豬農甚至本席我們我相信一般民眾都希望把這個防疫的工作做好這是我們大家所希望也是我們要求的但是現在養豬豬農他認為說你養豬場在廚藥管理之前其實他前面就有邊境管制那針對我們非洲豬瘟肉品這邊\n邊境管制這第一關那你再來進入豬場之前還有一個渠道管制就是除於這運送過程要進入這個這個回收場之前所以不能說前面這個幾個階段\n沒有去做全部加重在後面豬農養豬的身上不會 那個前面各個關卡 各相關部會各有職職者在做這個事情我們只是希望說確保這件事情不要有一個破口不然的話我們整個防疫體制就破功了是這樣 管您所以這樣做是不是會加重當然會造成這個成本的增加等等那這部分我們在下午的時候看看怎麼樣來討論這個部分\n當然我們說這個非洲豬是防疫工作當然能夠做得完善當然是最好所以我們剛剛有講前面其實在這進場之前一個邊境管制還有他一個一個\n渠道的管制然後當然第三關才是進入到我們養豬場好這個廚餘真主這一部分那現在豬農擔心的是現在把所有好像整個幾乎加注在他們的身上沒有不是這樣子的啊我們也希望如果要去做我們要有一個完整的\n是不是這個必要性還有你今天要求他去做勢必要增加他很多的成本那我們有沒有完整的配套跟補助不然這個把所有的成本都加注在豬農的身上勢必到時候還是反映在我們消費者上面\n因為豬籠這邊是最後一個把關那我們當然是滴水不漏是我們最重要的一個終極目標那我們要好好的跟豬籠來溝通謝謝委員所以我說今天提出的就是你們下午開會討論的時候希望針對這幾個部分前面邊境管制渠道管制再來才是第三個叫豬籠的珍珠設備這一邊那是不是這三個地方都應該要\n都要去做不能全部都加注在豬農的身上而且你今天要去做你的配套跟補助你有想過嗎那全部成本加注在他身上勢必又反映在消費者身上又造成我們豬價的上漲那這部分也希望我們環境部跟農業部好好地研議好 謝謝好 謝謝土匪 謝謝市長我們現在休息十分鐘 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.997 --> 00:08.170\n都委員宣導完我們就先休息十分鐘好謝謝好謝謝主席請我們次長來請次長\n\n00:18.090 --> 00:38.830\n市長那今天先我們來關心一下我們環境部在5月初有成立一個資源循環新創產業聯盟那這也是延續我們去年8加N資源循環聯盟那請問一下這兩個聯盟差別在哪去年成立的跟今年成立的差別在哪裡那個\n\n00:45.967 --> 00:56.644\n我請我們副署長說明一下跟委員報告一樣那兩個的方式就是說他的成員不一樣他的目的也不太一樣\n\n00:58.685 --> 01:24.711\n成員不一樣目的也不同那我想請問一下那在這個聯盟成立之前他有公開報名的資訊嗎是我們是有一個公開的一個資訊然後請那個產業別我們是由在我們網路上進行公告在網路上那可能宣傳不夠因為我們也找不到這個公開的資訊是在我們\n\n01:25.931 --> 01:44.951\n我們循環署的網路循環署的網路是那因為喔這個有些產業有一些質疑啦沒關係先問一下那它有具備什麼條件才能入選有限制規模還是大小還是資本的嗎基本上是沒有沒有這個都沒有限制是我們是用鼓勵的性質\n\n01:46.411 --> 02:14.413\n是鼓勵的性質因為我們現在收到很多產業他們說對於這個他們也不知道有這件事情喔那很多產業他們也希望能夠參加這個8加N的N當然也希望跟我們公部門建立一些交流啦那所以我們希望說在這一部分喔往後這個公開報名遴選的資訊是盡量要廣宣啦因為他們很多後來才知道就是說奇怪怎麼\n\n02:15.033 --> 02:43.836\n我們環境部有做這個產業都很想參加可是居然都不再有這個訊息是我們加強所以那希望說針對這部分以後再宣傳的部分再多加強因為覺得產業會覺得說好像這有一點好像不是很公開在做那這部分我們再加強一下好那我們針對我們非洲豬瘟的部分我想請問一下那非洲豬瘟當然也是\n\n02:45.817 --> 03:05.542\n這個農業部之前為了加快廚藝養豬轉型造成最大的因素嘛因為這個非洲豬瘟才讓我們農業部對於廚藝養豬這個轉型那107年非洲豬瘟入境之後我們那時候農業部有查理一下我們全國那時候\n\n03:06.822 --> 03:26.543\n廚育養豬有2045家那當然那時候就發現有66場是沒有廚育真主設備全國只有300多家這個真主廚育的方式有達到環保署的要求標準那後來農業部也針對\n\n03:28.084 --> 03:45.554\n這一波提出了一些政策包含自願退場補助還有飼料差額補助那當然這些補助之後他補助飼料之後就規定10年內不能使用廚餘養豬那在110年10月的時候他有公告200頭以下的\n\n03:53.119 --> 04:15.200\n豬場禁止使用除於飼養那200頭以上除於廢棄物也是需要經過直轄縣市政府環境保護主管機關因廢棄法的規定核准那當然從此我們這個小型豬農除於養豬就正式進入歷史當然\n\n04:16.120 --> 04:34.486\n這些講的部分這個政策是農業部跟環境部沒有關係但是後來在去年8月27號的時候非洲豬瘟中央災害應變中心第31次會議的時候農業部部長陳俊基\n\n04:35.166 --> 04:57.111\n就在會中就要求我們環境部環管署來研議現有的養豬場目前我們查過現有435間它的真主設施周邊要求它裝設即時監控影像系統的可行性那請教我一下次長是不是有這個事情\n\n04:58.288 --> 05:23.488\n有的確是有現在目前有四百三十幾個場就是兩百頭以上的那要求要裝CCTV去監控而且他每一天要飼料要蒸煮一個小時90度C以上他必須要把那個蒸煮的照片拍上傳讓我們可以去管控那據我們了解像今天下午環管署是不是要召開廚藥養豬場裝設即時錄影監視系統\n\n05:28.324 --> 05:48.478\n這個溝通資商會議是不是今天下午要開今天下午有一個會議是所以據我們瞭解好像這個研議規劃廚餘養豬農要求以下這些設備變成強制的規定就是必須要有即時監測的設備設置在指定的地點然後監測廚餘運送車輛車牌等資訊還有就是要有\n\n05:53.081 --> 06:08.082\n及時溫度的監測設備設置在我們儲域珍珠中心的溫度位置以上的監控資訊必須要及時傳送到環保機關的監控系統平台是不是這樣\n\n06:10.811 --> 06:10.931\n因為據我們了解\n\n06:31.257 --> 06:58.376\n好像我們環境部好像針對這一部分好像要針對我們剛剛講的以下設備好像說傾向要變成強制規定是不是這樣因為還是要看我們的設備跟不跟得上像如果是集體追蹤系統的話GPS是已經有的主要是中心的真主的溫度能不能看得到能不能即時反應的溫度那我們現在也在找業界還有我們的養豬戶大家一起來討論今天下午會做一個比較深入的討論\n\n06:58.991 --> 07:17.398\n那請問一下我們之前我們沒有相關的管理規範嗎我們之前有規範但是沒有CCTV沒有即時監測都要靠稽查員到現場來做採證所以就是農業部認為環境部在這一部分的監管強度不足\n\n07:18.353 --> 07:35.008\n他是建議如果可以有更好的科學的方法那我們可以一起來共同來投入這些非洲豬瘟的防治的工作所以現在農業部針對這部分他是希望能夠加強來做嘛是不是是他希望能夠一起來加強來做那針對這部分喔\n\n07:37.213 --> 08:05.800\n我們了解去年8月防疫中心會議的時候他們就是決定並指定說環境部必須研議豬農必須設置及時監測裝置所以針對他現在要求這個監管的方式跟強度那我請問一下農業部是否有提供我們環境部針對監管手段必要性的說明或者報告農業部有提供嗎\n\n08:06.685 --> 08:32.757\n這個部分倒是沒有都是在會議上大家交換意見那我們也正在研議中所以針對農業部自己這部分他都沒有去做為什麼一下就要求我們環境部要去必要一定要去實施這個因為養豬的那個廚餘的來源很多是我們家戶或者事業所產生的這個廚餘的廢棄物那這個部分我們有責任來做部分的監控那我們基於部會的議題我們來協助共同防治非洲豬瘟\n\n08:33.607 --> 08:57.773\n所以我覺得農業部自己針對監管手段必要性這個說明跟報告他都沒有去做現在就要求環境部要去做那當然難怪現在其實很多豬農反映據他們說這個做法非常的繁瑣最主要會加重他們很大的成本當然他們說之前非洲豬瘟全部\n\n08:58.979 --> 09:08.668\n除以轉型就已經很多豬農就已經就已經被滅農了那如果現在再這樣做他們說根本就是又再一次滅這豬農之嫌啊\n\n09:11.567 --> 09:27.836\n我們會收集各界的意見達到共識然後確實可行的時候才會來落實推進所以我們應該要農業部自己應該之前要有完善的研究那要有完整的配套措施我覺得再來實施是不是才比較正確各位委員報告因為今天農業部沒有在場應該是沒有\n\n09:29.637 --> 09:53.656\n對啊我現在的意思是說農業部自己該做的沒有做那你環境部就去配合這很奇怪啊他沒有一個手段必要性的完整報告給你就要求你環境部去做那你環境部沒有看到這報告你現在就配合那豬農難怪會認為說你沒有完整的數據研究你就貿然就要求豬農去做這些即時監測的設備\n\n09:55.397 --> 10:01.967\n跟委員報告啦就是說非洲豬瘟這個過去就是說過去的執行的成效其實是好的\n\n10:02.964 --> 10:24.372\n那過去用的方法我們用高溫蒸煮的方式然後即時回傳這個也達到這樣的管控效果了那過去那個廚藝桶在路邊隨意擺設怕人家會丟入這個肉食類的廚藝這個部分也都把它移除了所以家長巡檢還有各養豬場配合這個都做到了以至於現在我們惠州豬瘟在台灣是絕跡的\n\n10:25.922 --> 10:45.869\n那這樣的強度為什麼還要去加強可能必須要去跟這個農業部還有我們的這個養豬場這邊好好溝通這樣做可能會增加成本當然也會造成一些不方便但是對我們稽查管制來講是比較方便的所以這個不能容許我們跟\n\n10:47.229 --> 11:10.456\n農業部這邊在今天下午開會的時候農業部應該會一起出來嘛那我們會把這個議題再把委員關心的事情我們一併把它納入討論對啊今天會提出就是因為你們下午要去講這部分而且據他們了解你們好像是準備想要強制規定那我們才會說農業部針對這些手段的報告跟說明都沒有去完善而且你在當然啦\n\n11:11.096 --> 11:33.311\n我們這個非洲豬瘟這個防疫豬農甚至本席我們我相信一般民眾都希望把這個防疫的工作做好這是我們大家所希望也是我們要求的但是現在養豬豬農他認為說你養豬場在廚藥管理之前其實他前面就有邊境管制那針對我們非洲豬瘟肉品這邊\n\n11:34.492 --> 11:48.597\n邊境管制這第一關那你再來進入豬場之前還有一個渠道管制就是除於這運送過程要進入這個這個回收場之前所以不能說前面這個幾個階段\n\n11:50.417 --> 12:16.031\n沒有去做全部加重在後面豬農養豬的身上不會那個前面各個關卡各相關部會各有職職者在做這個事情我們只是希望說確保這件事情不要有一個破口不然的話我們整個防疫體制就破功了是這樣管您所以這樣做是不是會加重當然會造成這個成本的增加等等那這部分我們在下午的時候看看怎麼樣來討論這個部分\n\n12:18.232 --> 12:28.409\n當然我們說這個非洲豬是防疫工作當然能夠做得完善當然是最好所以我們剛剛有講前面其實在這進場之前一個邊境管制還有他一個一個\n\n12:30.359 --> 12:50.561\n渠道的管制然後當然第三關才是進入到我們養豬場好這個廚餘真主這一部分那現在豬農擔心的是現在把所有好像整個幾乎加注在他們的身上沒有不是這樣子的啊我們也希望如果要去做我們要有一個完整的\n\n12:51.722 --> 13:08.636\n是不是這個必要性還有你今天要求他去做勢必要增加他很多的成本那我們有沒有完整的配套跟補助不然這個把所有的成本都加注在豬農的身上勢必到時候還是反映在我們消費者上面\n\n13:09.517 --> 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