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00:02:02,034\n不能只是一個高級的實習生這樣的角度啊來看待因為每天有22萬人次啊他關係到安全關係到員工的這種營運的人力也關係到服務的品質關係到永續經營那\n\n8\n00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:23,633\n關於史喆的這樣的一個任命也許有些人認為說他沒有軌道交通的經驗其實看看他過去的背景他在擔任高雄市副市長的時候臨港縣的輕軌以及大順路路段的輕軌啊\n\n9\n00:02:25,054 --> 00:02:39,375\n史喆是出力最重要的一個人尤其是在美術館區那一帶相關路線跟當地居民的協調而且啊最有名的龍貓隧道就是史喆所規劃的\n\n10\n00:02:42,247 --> 00:03:07,014\n輕軌當初大家認為說沒有人搭現在班次要增加而且也要買新車它是高雄現在很重要的一個交通工具那在鐵路地下化相關綠園道的建設也是受到全國民眾的肯定那在相關的綠園道在左營那一段大家下高鐵可以看到綠園道那一段也是使者所規劃的\n\n11\n00:03:08,374 --> 00:03:32,295\n像高雄市的黃線捷運現在在動工以及現在在規劃當中的紫線捷運使者也是重要的推手那更別說亞洲新灣區相關的博鰲倉庫群鐵道文化園區都有使者努力的這樣的一個身影我想他適不適任社會自有公平\n\n12\n00:03:33,315 --> 00:03:53,172\n我們還是要來探討一下高鐵目前所面臨的幾個問題第一個剛才部長我也提到說高鐵的搭乘人次在疫情之前大概是18萬人次在現在到2025年到5月為止每天的搭乘人次已經是高達22萬增加了20%高鐵的職員的總數\n\n13\n00:04:01,226 --> 00:04:14,768\n也增加了15.8比不上這樣的一個搭乘的人次啊所以人力的不足啊也是一個嚴肅的問題每週的班次啊在2019年的時候是\n\n14\n00:04:17,425 --> 00:04:37,725\n1016班次到2025也增加到1128的班次班次也增加了10%班次增加人次也增加所以高鐵董事長是一個重要的職務那我們現在高鐵的運量其實到今年2月都已經碰到瓶頸了\n\n15\n00:04:39,059 --> 00:05:02,605\n因為我們現在在高峰期間在假日期間是一票難求如果有假日連假你沒有一個禮拜之前去訂高鐵票已經是訂不到位置我也常常是用站的站回高雄我要請教我們高鐵如何去因應未來這種運量持續的增加以及面對這種瓶頸我們相關\n\n16\n00:05:06,024 --> 00:05:31,098\n要買新車的這些進度跟規劃內容我請教一下史哲董事長你了不了解啊好謝謝委員我想委員非常的專業內行我可能就要想得非常的小心高鐵終究還是要透過新車的導入來解決這個運量的問題新車的進度我想明年第四季啊是這個到港來台\n\n17\n00:05:31,818 --> 00:05:58,741\n下半年度就會到了那後年也就是高鐵的20週年與其是第三季即將上路那當然這段時間還有非常多的後續的工程以及這個搭配的新系統的狀況目前是有34組的列車要買12組新的列車新的列車跟目前的列車有什麼不同嗎我在之前有提醒交通部跟高鐵商務艙有插座\n\n18\n00:05:59,878 --> 00:06:20,018\n那相關的經濟艙這一次新車在過去有要求現在的新車經濟艙有沒有安裝這些插座的友善設施呢是的我想新車基本上這個舒適度寧靜度方面都有大幅的提升委員特別關心的插座的部分全車都會有插座好\n\n19\n00:06:20,859 --> 00:06:37,484\n它相關的檢證的設施以及通道的相關的檢噪音的這樣的一個設施在這次都要確實的查驗那相關的我要針對人力的部分我剛才提到說我們的班次增加10%\n\n20\n00:06:39,537 --> 00:06:55,524\n旅客的人次增加20%我們的人力增加夠嗎我們的人力大概增加15.8%那接下來我們還要面對新車的測試以及運量越來越高的時候我們的人力\n\n21\n00:06:56,738 --> 00:07:16,799\n夠不夠如何來維持這種營運的人力安全的人力來董事長說明一下是謝謝委員我想人力的增加我想都在計畫當中來進行這個我們實際對於運量的評估但是更重要的是人力的訓練以及因應新車的這個接應我們事實上已經有一組人在日本受訓了\n\n22\n00:07:17,780 --> 00:07:39,411\n新車也特別跟委員說明它雖然是日本N700S的基礎但是事實上還有為台灣特別多的量身打造事實上在系統上我們行控中心以及檢修各方面來講都在因應的調整所以這部分車其實是一個蠻浩大的工程這也是未來這兩年高鐵最大的挑戰\n\n23\n00:07:40,532 --> 00:07:45,937\n好董事長在高鐵是2007通車那2007通車到現在也將近18年了\n\n24\n00:07:50,546 --> 00:08:13,521\n但是我們看到經過這麼多年高鐵的維修還有它車輛的狀況其實都面臨很大的挑戰我們看到各類的異常事件還有一般事故的統計2021年到今年的5月為止這種各類的異常事件還有一般事故總共有121件\n\n25\n00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:43,500\n是幸好是沒有發生重大的事故如果發生重大的事故我想部長跟董事長都是擔待不起那我們看到行車異常的事件運安運轉保安裝置的故障有44件車輛的故障也高達15件外屋的入侵也有12件那我們維修的養護部門的人力只增加了13.5%人力夠嗎\n\n26\n00:08:46,038 --> 00:09:00,278\n要不要增加跟委員報告我想我們必要增加的我們一定會增加我想運安一定是放在第一位我想這個部分除了人力的增加我們新興的這種科技的檢修設備有沒有在做處理跟添購\n\n27\n00:09:01,187 --> 00:09:22,959\n不但有天購事實上我們也配合我們的本土化我們自行在台灣也發展出我們自行的檢修的方式比如說例證之後橋樑的檢測我們最近即將發展出我們用AI無人機的檢測來說短它的時間也增加它的精密度這都是台灣自己本土發展出來的好謝謝董事長我請教一下鄭光炎董事長\n\n28\n00:09:25,694 --> 00:09:47,848\n董事長有很豐富的這種軌道的經驗不過我要提醒鄭董事長台鐵公司跟高鐵公司他有不同的內部文化這是你面臨最嚴峻的一個挑戰一個百年老店一個18歲的年輕人那相關的內部文化是不一樣的\n\n29\n00:09:48,829 --> 00:10:02,771\n那工會也有跟我反映你現在身段是非常的柔軟我想要積極的跟工會來對話還有指責董事長也是一樣工會的員工都是我們最重要的資產\n\n30\n00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:24,576\n我要提醒部長我們高鐵的人力目前明顯的不足工作增加班次旅次都增加的這種狀況人力顯然是跟不上這樣的一個進度那台鐵公司化之後員工我們要加強他的信心也非常辛苦\n\n31\n00:10:25,296 --> 00:10:49,334\n我是建議啊高鐵跟台鐵的員工啊都要有調心的這樣的一個處理讓員工啊更有信心剛才鄭董事長說要讓大家能夠開心的上班要開心上班啊除了要有榮譽感當然就是啊要能照顧他們的家庭會不會調心啊部長來簡單說明一下報告委員\n\n32\n00:10:53,175 --> 00:11:19,893\n員工一直都是我們最珍貴的資產對公司來說是最珍貴的資產那這個部分在史澤董事長跟鄭董事長上任之後其實我都有要求針對我們所有員工的這個福利我們必須要重新盤點讓我們的員工的待遇更加的好這是必然要做的事那我所知道史澤董事長跟鄭董事長也都跟工會有接觸過也有討論過未來怎麼讓員工的福利更好薪資條件更好\n\n33\n00:11:20,433 --> 00:11:39,850\n讓他的工作環境更好這是我們未來要面對的一個很重要的課題我們會朝這個方向來努力好希望能夠增加台鐵高鐵員工的福利來增加這種營運的安全永續的經營以及擴展他們的市場那我最後要請教一下楊振金局長跟部長\n\n34\n00:11:40,911 --> 00:11:57,405\n有關於高雄的鐵路地下化台北的鐵路地下化它是分成四個階段台北車站專案、萬坂專案、松山專案到最後的南港專案經過20多年已經正式的完工\n\n35\n00:11:58,715 --> 00:12:26,891\n高雄的鐵路地下化其實一開始只有一段叫做高雄計畫就是古山的保真路到三明區的正義路只有這一段叫高雄計畫那當初在第六屆的時候我們提出的規劃是鳳山到南梓但是後來可惜第七屆的時候民進黨沒有執政就變成了鳳山到左營那現在\n\n36\n00:12:28,274 --> 00:12:48,861\n在蘭子這一段我們希望能夠鐵路地下化的可行性評估現在也在進行是謝謝交通部給我們可行性評估的經費現在還有另外一段就是鳳山鳳山道大樹的酒區塘這一段我們需要的經費大概是1990萬相關的立體化設施\n\n37\n00:12:53,386 --> 00:13:18,212\n這都關係到未來大高雄的整體發展尤其是蘭子這一段當然他現在我們後進六七那邊相關的高科技園區再加上史澤董事長在之前跟我們努力推動的子縣的規劃都關係到未來高雄的高科技的發展那鳳山這一段也是更重要鳳山現在是高雄市第一大的行政區\n\n38\n00:13:19,352 --> 00:13:37,925\n那高雄的第一大行政區鳳山的鐵路地下化或是高架化我們希望交通部能夠給予支持請部長說明一下報告委員這個部分的可行性研究交通部會來支持那目前的公文已經到部裡面了我們會加速這個簽核好謝謝董事長謝謝部長謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5964\t21805\t謝謝召委請一下陳士凱部長好陳部長鄭光源董事長好鄭董事長史哲董事長楊振軍局長好楊局長還有史哲董事長部長好委員好\n23052\t33649\t高鐵跟台鐵是我們國人重要的交通載具高鐵到今年5月每天搭乘的人次已經高達22萬人次\n36155\t56751\t台鐵每天搭乘的人次也高達68萬人次所以是重要的交通工具不管是台鐵或是高鐵不管是它的營運安全或是它的服務的效率以及它的永續的經營都是重要的一個議題\n59212\t70747\t高鐵董事長跟台鐵董事長的就任國人是非常的嚴肅看待這樣的一個位置那尤其是高鐵的董事長\n72130\t90147\t在過去我看高鐵的董事長也有那種不是軌道背景出身的人來擔任董事長像劉威祺董事長他是學者 以前中山大學的校長他是企業管理的一個背景\n90968\t106429\t另外有一位范志強董事長他是軍人出身他的專長是財務金融但他們的任期都不長都大概一年左右當然高鐵董事長這樣一個重要的位置\n107150\t122034\t不能只是一個高級的實習生這樣的角度啊來看待因為每天有22萬人次啊他關係到安全關係到員工的這種營運的人力也關係到服務的品質關係到永續經營那\n124400\t143633\t關於史喆的這樣的一個任命也許有些人認為說他沒有軌道交通的經驗其實看看他過去的背景他在擔任高雄市副市長的時候臨港縣的輕軌以及大順路路段的輕軌啊\n145054\t159375\t史喆是出力最重要的一個人尤其是在美術館區那一帶相關路線跟當地居民的協調而且啊最有名的龍貓隧道就是史喆所規劃的\n162247\t187014\t輕軌當初大家認為說沒有人搭現在班次要增加而且也要買新車它是高雄現在很重要的一個交通工具那在鐵路地下化相關綠園道的建設也是受到全國民眾的肯定那在相關的綠園道在左營那一段大家下高鐵可以看到綠園道那一段也是使者所規劃的\n188374\t212295\t像高雄市的黃線捷運現在在動工以及現在在規劃當中的紫線捷運使者也是重要的推手那更別說亞洲新灣區相關的博鰲倉庫群 鐵道文化園區都有使者努力的這樣的一個身影我想他適不適任 社會自有公平\n213315\t233172\t我們還是要來探討一下高鐵目前所面臨的幾個問題第一個剛才部長我也提到說高鐵的搭乘人次在疫情之前大概是18萬人次在現在到2025年到5月為止每天的搭乘人次已經是高達22萬增加了20%高鐵的職員的總數\n241226\t254768\t也增加了15.8比不上這樣的一個搭乘的人次啊所以人力的不足啊也是一個嚴肅的問題每週的班次啊在2019年的時候是\n257425\t277725\t1016班次到2025也增加到1128的班次班次也增加了10%班次增加人次也增加所以高鐵董事長是一個重要的職務那我們現在高鐵的運量其實到今年2月都已經碰到瓶頸了\n279059\t302605\t因為我們現在在高峰期間在假日期間是一票難求如果有假日連假你沒有一個禮拜之前去訂高鐵票已經是訂不到位置我也常常是用站的站回高雄我要請教我們高鐵如何去因應未來這種運量持續的增加以及面對這種瓶頸我們相關\n306024\t331098\t要買新車的這些進度跟規劃內容我請教一下史哲董事長你了不了解啊好 謝謝委員我想委員非常的專業內行我可能就要想得非常的小心高鐵終究還是要透過新車的導入來解決這個運量的問題新車的進度我想明年第四季啊是這個到港來台\n331818\t358741\t下半年度就會到了那後年也就是高鐵的20週年與其是第三季即將上路那當然這段時間還有非常多的後續的工程以及這個搭配的新系統的狀況目前是有34組的列車要買12組新的列車新的列車跟目前的列車有什麼不同嗎我在之前有提醒交通部跟高鐵商務艙有插座\n359878\t380018\t那相關的經濟艙這一次新車在過去有要求現在的新車經濟艙有沒有安裝這些插座的友善設施呢是的我想新車基本上這個舒適度寧靜度方面都有大幅的提升委員特別關心的插座的部分全車都會有插座好\n380859\t397484\t它相關的檢證的設施以及通道的相關的檢噪音的這樣的一個設施在這次都要確實的查驗那相關的我要針對人力的部分我剛才提到說我們的班次增加10%\n399537\t415524\t旅客的人次增加20%我們的人力增加夠嗎 我們的人力大概增加15.8%那接下來我們還要面對新車的測試以及運量越來越高的時候我們的人力\n416738\t436799\t夠不夠如何來維持這種營運的人力安全的人力來 董事長說明一下是 謝謝委員我想人力的增加我想都在計畫當中來進行這個我們實際對於運量的評估但是更重要的是人力的訓練以及因應新車的這個接應我們事實上已經有一組人在日本受訓了\n437780\t459411\t新車也特別跟委員說明它雖然是日本N700S的基礎但是事實上還有為台灣特別多的量身打造事實上在系統上我們行控中心以及檢修各方面來講都在因應的調整所以這部分車其實是一個蠻浩大的工程這也是未來這兩年高鐵最大的挑戰\n460532\t465937\t好 董事長在高鐵是2007通車那2007通車到現在也將近18年了\n470546\t493521\t但是我們看到經過這麼多年高鐵的維修還有它車輛的狀況其實都面臨很大的挑戰我們看到各類的異常事件還有一般事故的統計2021年到今年的5月為止這種各類的異常事件還有一般事故總共有121件\n496280\t523500\t是幸好是沒有發生重大的事故如果發生重大的事故我想部長跟董事長都是擔待不起那我們看到行車異常的事件運安運轉保安裝置的故障有44件車輛的故障也高達15件外屋的入侵也有12件那我們維修的養護部門的人力只增加了13.5%人力夠嗎\n526038\t540278\t要不要增加跟委員報告我想我們必要增加的我們一定會增加我想運安一定是放在第一位我想這個部分除了人力的增加我們新興的這種科技的檢修設備有沒有在做處理跟添購\n541187\t562959\t不但有天購 事實上我們也配合我們的本土化我們自行在台灣也發展出我們自行的檢修的方式比如說例證之後橋樑的檢測我們最近即將發展出我們用AI無人機的檢測來說短它的時間也增加它的精密度這都是台灣自己本土發展出來的好 謝謝董事長我請教一下鄭光炎董事長\n565694\t587848\t董事長有很豐富的這種軌道的經驗不過我要提醒鄭董事長台鐵公司跟高鐵公司他有不同的內部文化這是你面臨最嚴峻的一個挑戰一個百年老店一個18歲的年輕人那相關的內部文化是不一樣的\n588829\t602771\t那工會也有跟我反映你現在身段是非常的柔軟我想要積極的跟工會來對話還有指責董事長也是一樣工會的員工都是我們最重要的資產\n604400\t624576\t我要提醒部長我們高鐵的人力目前明顯的不足工作增加班次旅次都增加的這種狀況人力顯然是跟不上這樣的一個進度那台鐵公司化之後員工我們要加強他的信心也非常辛苦\n625296\t649334\t我是建議啊高鐵跟台鐵的員工啊都要有調心的這樣的一個處理讓員工啊更有信心剛才鄭董事長說要讓大家能夠開心的上班要開心上班啊除了要有榮譽感當然就是啊要能照顧他們的家庭會不會調心啊部長來簡單說明一下報告委員\n653175\t679893\t員工一直都是我們最珍貴的資產對公司來說是最珍貴的資產那這個部分在史澤董事長跟鄭董事長上任之後其實我都有要求針對我們所有員工的這個福利我們必須要重新盤點讓我們的員工的待遇更加的好這是必然要做的事那我所知道史澤董事長跟鄭董事長也都跟工會有接觸過也有討論過未來怎麼讓員工的福利更好薪資條件更好\n680433\t699850\t讓他的工作環境更好這是我們未來要面對的一個很重要的課題我們會朝這個方向來努力好 希望能夠增加台鐵高鐵員工的福利來增加這種營運的安全永續的經營以及擴展他們的市場那我最後要請教一下楊振金局長跟部長\n700911\t717405\t有關於高雄的鐵路地下化台北的鐵路地下化它是分成四個階段台北車站專案、萬坂專案、松山專案到最後的南港專案經過20多年已經正式的完工\n718715\t746891\t高雄的鐵路地下化其實一開始只有一段叫做高雄計畫就是古山的保真路到三明區的正義路只有這一段叫高雄計畫那當初在第六屆的時候我們提出的規劃是鳳山到南梓但是後來可惜第七屆的時候民進黨沒有執政就變成了鳳山到左營那現在\n748274\t768861\t在蘭子這一段我們希望能夠鐵路地下化的可行性評估現在也在進行是謝謝交通部給我們可行性評估的經費現在還有另外一段就是鳳山鳳山道大樹的酒區塘這一段我們需要的經費大概是1990萬相關的立體化設施\n773386\t798212\t這都關係到未來大高雄的整體發展尤其是蘭子這一段當然他現在我們後進六七那邊相關的高科技園區再加上史澤董事長在之前跟我們努力推動的子縣的規劃都關係到未來高雄的高科技的發展那鳳山這一段也是更重要鳳山現在是高雄市第一大的行政區\n799352\t817925\t那高雄的第一大行政區鳳山的鐵路地下化或是高架化我們希望交通部能夠給予支持請部長說明一下報告委員這個部分的可行性研究交通部會來支持那目前的公文已經到部裡面了我們會加速這個簽核好謝謝董事長謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝召委請一下陳士凱部長好陳部長鄭光源董事長好鄭董事長史哲董事長楊振軍局長好楊局長還有史哲董事長部長好委員好\n高鐵跟台鐵是我們國人重要的交通載具高鐵到今年5月每天搭乘的人次已經高達22萬人次\n台鐵每天搭乘的人次也高達68萬人次所以是重要的交通工具不管是台鐵或是高鐵不管是它的營運安全或是它的服務的效率以及它的永續的經營都是重要的一個議題\n高鐵董事長跟台鐵董事長的就任國人是非常的嚴肅看待這樣的一個位置那尤其是高鐵的董事長\n在過去我看高鐵的董事長也有那種不是軌道背景出身的人來擔任董事長像劉威祺董事長他是學者 以前中山大學的校長他是企業管理的一個背景\n另外有一位范志強董事長他是軍人出身他的專長是財務金融但他們的任期都不長都大概一年左右當然高鐵董事長這樣一個重要的位置\n不能只是一個高級的實習生這樣的角度啊來看待因為每天有22萬人次啊他關係到安全關係到員工的這種營運的人力也關係到服務的品質關係到永續經營那\n關於史喆的這樣的一個任命也許有些人認為說他沒有軌道交通的經驗其實看看他過去的背景他在擔任高雄市副市長的時候臨港縣的輕軌以及大順路路段的輕軌啊\n史喆是出力最重要的一個人尤其是在美術館區那一帶相關路線跟當地居民的協調而且啊最有名的龍貓隧道就是史喆所規劃的\n輕軌當初大家認為說沒有人搭現在班次要增加而且也要買新車它是高雄現在很重要的一個交通工具那在鐵路地下化相關綠園道的建設也是受到全國民眾的肯定那在相關的綠園道在左營那一段大家下高鐵可以看到綠園道那一段也是使者所規劃的\n像高雄市的黃線捷運現在在動工以及現在在規劃當中的紫線捷運使者也是重要的推手那更別說亞洲新灣區相關的博鰲倉庫群 鐵道文化園區都有使者努力的這樣的一個身影我想他適不適任 社會自有公平\n我們還是要來探討一下高鐵目前所面臨的幾個問題第一個剛才部長我也提到說高鐵的搭乘人次在疫情之前大概是18萬人次在現在到2025年到5月為止每天的搭乘人次已經是高達22萬增加了20%高鐵的職員的總數\n也增加了15.8比不上這樣的一個搭乘的人次啊所以人力的不足啊也是一個嚴肅的問題每週的班次啊在2019年的時候是\n1016班次到2025也增加到1128的班次班次也增加了10%班次增加人次也增加所以高鐵董事長是一個重要的職務那我們現在高鐵的運量其實到今年2月都已經碰到瓶頸了\n因為我們現在在高峰期間在假日期間是一票難求如果有假日連假你沒有一個禮拜之前去訂高鐵票已經是訂不到位置我也常常是用站的站回高雄我要請教我們高鐵如何去因應未來這種運量持續的增加以及面對這種瓶頸我們相關\n要買新車的這些進度跟規劃內容我請教一下史哲董事長你了不了解啊好 謝謝委員我想委員非常的專業內行我可能就要想得非常的小心高鐵終究還是要透過新車的導入來解決這個運量的問題新車的進度我想明年第四季啊是這個到港來台\n下半年度就會到了那後年也就是高鐵的20週年與其是第三季即將上路那當然這段時間還有非常多的後續的工程以及這個搭配的新系統的狀況目前是有34組的列車要買12組新的列車新的列車跟目前的列車有什麼不同嗎我在之前有提醒交通部跟高鐵商務艙有插座\n那相關的經濟艙這一次新車在過去有要求現在的新車經濟艙有沒有安裝這些插座的友善設施呢是的我想新車基本上這個舒適度寧靜度方面都有大幅的提升委員特別關心的插座的部分全車都會有插座好\n它相關的檢證的設施以及通道的相關的檢噪音的這樣的一個設施在這次都要確實的查驗那相關的我要針對人力的部分我剛才提到說我們的班次增加10%\n旅客的人次增加20%我們的人力增加夠嗎 我們的人力大概增加15.8%那接下來我們還要面對新車的測試以及運量越來越高的時候我們的人力\n夠不夠如何來維持這種營運的人力安全的人力來 董事長說明一下是 謝謝委員我想人力的增加我想都在計畫當中來進行這個我們實際對於運量的評估但是更重要的是人力的訓練以及因應新車的這個接應我們事實上已經有一組人在日本受訓了\n新車也特別跟委員說明它雖然是日本N700S的基礎但是事實上還有為台灣特別多的量身打造事實上在系統上我們行控中心以及檢修各方面來講都在因應的調整所以這部分車其實是一個蠻浩大的工程這也是未來這兩年高鐵最大的挑戰\n好 董事長在高鐵是2007通車那2007通車到現在也將近18年了\n但是我們看到經過這麼多年高鐵的維修還有它車輛的狀況其實都面臨很大的挑戰我們看到各類的異常事件還有一般事故的統計2021年到今年的5月為止這種各類的異常事件還有一般事故總共有121件\n是幸好是沒有發生重大的事故如果發生重大的事故我想部長跟董事長都是擔待不起那我們看到行車異常的事件運安運轉保安裝置的故障有44件車輛的故障也高達15件外屋的入侵也有12件那我們維修的養護部門的人力只增加了13.5%人力夠嗎\n要不要增加跟委員報告我想我們必要增加的我們一定會增加我想運安一定是放在第一位我想這個部分除了人力的增加我們新興的這種科技的檢修設備有沒有在做處理跟添購\n不但有天購 事實上我們也配合我們的本土化我們自行在台灣也發展出我們自行的檢修的方式比如說例證之後橋樑的檢測我們最近即將發展出我們用AI無人機的檢測來說短它的時間也增加它的精密度這都是台灣自己本土發展出來的好 謝謝董事長我請教一下鄭光炎董事長\n董事長有很豐富的這種軌道的經驗不過我要提醒鄭董事長台鐵公司跟高鐵公司他有不同的內部文化這是你面臨最嚴峻的一個挑戰一個百年老店一個18歲的年輕人那相關的內部文化是不一樣的\n那工會也有跟我反映你現在身段是非常的柔軟我想要積極的跟工會來對話還有指責董事長也是一樣工會的員工都是我們最重要的資產\n我要提醒部長我們高鐵的人力目前明顯的不足工作增加班次旅次都增加的這種狀況人力顯然是跟不上這樣的一個進度那台鐵公司化之後員工我們要加強他的信心也非常辛苦\n我是建議啊高鐵跟台鐵的員工啊都要有調心的這樣的一個處理讓員工啊更有信心剛才鄭董事長說要讓大家能夠開心的上班要開心上班啊除了要有榮譽感當然就是啊要能照顧他們的家庭會不會調心啊部長來簡單說明一下報告委員\n員工一直都是我們最珍貴的資產對公司來說是最珍貴的資產那這個部分在史澤董事長跟鄭董事長上任之後其實我都有要求針對我們所有員工的這個福利我們必須要重新盤點讓我們的員工的待遇更加的好這是必然要做的事那我所知道史澤董事長跟鄭董事長也都跟工會有接觸過也有討論過未來怎麼讓員工的福利更好薪資條件更好\n讓他的工作環境更好這是我們未來要面對的一個很重要的課題我們會朝這個方向來努力好 希望能夠增加台鐵高鐵員工的福利來增加這種營運的安全永續的經營以及擴展他們的市場那我最後要請教一下楊振金局長跟部長\n有關於高雄的鐵路地下化台北的鐵路地下化它是分成四個階段台北車站專案、萬坂專案、松山專案到最後的南港專案經過20多年已經正式的完工\n高雄的鐵路地下化其實一開始只有一段叫做高雄計畫就是古山的保真路到三明區的正義路只有這一段叫高雄計畫那當初在第六屆的時候我們提出的規劃是鳳山到南梓但是後來可惜第七屆的時候民進黨沒有執政就變成了鳳山到左營那現在\n在蘭子這一段我們希望能夠鐵路地下化的可行性評估現在也在進行是謝謝交通部給我們可行性評估的經費現在還有另外一段就是鳳山鳳山道大樹的酒區塘這一段我們需要的經費大概是1990萬相關的立體化設施\n這都關係到未來大高雄的整體發展尤其是蘭子這一段當然他現在我們後進六七那邊相關的高科技園區再加上史澤董事長在之前跟我們努力推動的子縣的規劃都關係到未來高雄的高科技的發展那鳳山這一段也是更重要鳳山現在是高雄市第一大的行政區\n那高雄的第一大行政區鳳山的鐵路地下化或是高架化我們希望交通部能夠給予支持請部長說明一下報告委員這個部分的可行性研究交通部會來支持那目前的公文已經到部裡面了我們會加速這個簽核好謝謝董事長謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.964 --> 00:21.805\n謝謝召委請一下陳士凱部長好陳部長鄭光源董事長好鄭董事長史哲董事長楊振軍局長好楊局長還有史哲董事長部長好委員好\n\n00:23.052 --> 00:33.649\n高鐵跟台鐵是我們國人重要的交通載具高鐵到今年5月每天搭乘的人次已經高達22萬人次\n\n00:36.155 --> 00:56.751\n台鐵每天搭乘的人次也高達68萬人次所以是重要的交通工具不管是台鐵或是高鐵不管是它的營運安全或是它的服務的效率以及它的永續的經營都是重要的一個議題\n\n00:59.212 --> 01:10.747\n高鐵董事長跟台鐵董事長的就任國人是非常的嚴肅看待這樣的一個位置那尤其是高鐵的董事長\n\n01:12.130 --> 01:30.147\n在過去我看高鐵的董事長也有那種不是軌道背景出身的人來擔任董事長像劉威祺董事長他是學者以前中山大學的校長他是企業管理的一個背景\n\n01:30.968 --> 01:46.429\n另外有一位范志強董事長他是軍人出身他的專長是財務金融但他們的任期都不長都大概一年左右當然高鐵董事長這樣一個重要的位置\n\n01:47.150 --> 02:02.034\n不能只是一個高級的實習生這樣的角度啊來看待因為每天有22萬人次啊他關係到安全關係到員工的這種營運的人力也關係到服務的品質關係到永續經營那\n\n02:04.400 --> 02:23.633\n關於史喆的這樣的一個任命也許有些人認為說他沒有軌道交通的經驗其實看看他過去的背景他在擔任高雄市副市長的時候臨港縣的輕軌以及大順路路段的輕軌啊\n\n02:25.054 --> 02:39.375\n史喆是出力最重要的一個人尤其是在美術館區那一帶相關路線跟當地居民的協調而且啊最有名的龍貓隧道就是史喆所規劃的\n\n02:42.247 --> 03:07.014\n輕軌當初大家認為說沒有人搭現在班次要增加而且也要買新車它是高雄現在很重要的一個交通工具那在鐵路地下化相關綠園道的建設也是受到全國民眾的肯定那在相關的綠園道在左營那一段大家下高鐵可以看到綠園道那一段也是使者所規劃的\n\n03:08.374 --> 03:32.295\n像高雄市的黃線捷運現在在動工以及現在在規劃當中的紫線捷運使者也是重要的推手那更別說亞洲新灣區相關的博鰲倉庫群鐵道文化園區都有使者努力的這樣的一個身影我想他適不適任社會自有公平\n\n03:33.315 --> 03:53.172\n我們還是要來探討一下高鐵目前所面臨的幾個問題第一個剛才部長我也提到說高鐵的搭乘人次在疫情之前大概是18萬人次在現在到2025年到5月為止每天的搭乘人次已經是高達22萬增加了20%高鐵的職員的總數\n\n04:01.226 --> 04:14.768\n也增加了15.8比不上這樣的一個搭乘的人次啊所以人力的不足啊也是一個嚴肅的問題每週的班次啊在2019年的時候是\n\n04:17.425 --> 04:37.725\n1016班次到2025也增加到1128的班次班次也增加了10%班次增加人次也增加所以高鐵董事長是一個重要的職務那我們現在高鐵的運量其實到今年2月都已經碰到瓶頸了\n\n04:39.059 --> 05:02.605\n因為我們現在在高峰期間在假日期間是一票難求如果有假日連假你沒有一個禮拜之前去訂高鐵票已經是訂不到位置我也常常是用站的站回高雄我要請教我們高鐵如何去因應未來這種運量持續的增加以及面對這種瓶頸我們相關\n\n05:06.024 --> 05:31.098\n要買新車的這些進度跟規劃內容我請教一下史哲董事長你了不了解啊好謝謝委員我想委員非常的專業內行我可能就要想得非常的小心高鐵終究還是要透過新車的導入來解決這個運量的問題新車的進度我想明年第四季啊是這個到港來台\n\n05:31.818 --> 05:58.741\n下半年度就會到了那後年也就是高鐵的20週年與其是第三季即將上路那當然這段時間還有非常多的後續的工程以及這個搭配的新系統的狀況目前是有34組的列車要買12組新的列車新的列車跟目前的列車有什麼不同嗎我在之前有提醒交通部跟高鐵商務艙有插座\n\n05:59.878 --> 06:20.018\n那相關的經濟艙這一次新車在過去有要求現在的新車經濟艙有沒有安裝這些插座的友善設施呢是的我想新車基本上這個舒適度寧靜度方面都有大幅的提升委員特別關心的插座的部分全車都會有插座好\n\n06:20.859 --> 06:37.484\n它相關的檢證的設施以及通道的相關的檢噪音的這樣的一個設施在這次都要確實的查驗那相關的我要針對人力的部分我剛才提到說我們的班次增加10%\n\n06:39.537 --> 06:55.524\n旅客的人次增加20%我們的人力增加夠嗎我們的人力大概增加15.8%那接下來我們還要面對新車的測試以及運量越來越高的時候我們的人力\n\n06:56.738 --> 07:16.799\n夠不夠如何來維持這種營運的人力安全的人力來董事長說明一下是謝謝委員我想人力的增加我想都在計畫當中來進行這個我們實際對於運量的評估但是更重要的是人力的訓練以及因應新車的這個接應我們事實上已經有一組人在日本受訓了\n\n07:17.780 --> 07:39.411\n新車也特別跟委員說明它雖然是日本N700S的基礎但是事實上還有為台灣特別多的量身打造事實上在系統上我們行控中心以及檢修各方面來講都在因應的調整所以這部分車其實是一個蠻浩大的工程這也是未來這兩年高鐵最大的挑戰\n\n07:40.532 --> 07:45.937\n好董事長在高鐵是2007通車那2007通車到現在也將近18年了\n\n07:50.546 --> 08:13.521\n但是我們看到經過這麼多年高鐵的維修還有它車輛的狀況其實都面臨很大的挑戰我們看到各類的異常事件還有一般事故的統計2021年到今年的5月為止這種各類的異常事件還有一般事故總共有121件\n\n08:16.280 --> 08:43.500\n是幸好是沒有發生重大的事故如果發生重大的事故我想部長跟董事長都是擔待不起那我們看到行車異常的事件運安運轉保安裝置的故障有44件車輛的故障也高達15件外屋的入侵也有12件那我們維修的養護部門的人力只增加了13.5%人力夠嗎\n\n08:46.038 --> 09:00.278\n要不要增加跟委員報告我想我們必要增加的我們一定會增加我想運安一定是放在第一位我想這個部分除了人力的增加我們新興的這種科技的檢修設備有沒有在做處理跟添購\n\n09:01.187 --> 09:22.959\n不但有天購事實上我們也配合我們的本土化我們自行在台灣也發展出我們自行的檢修的方式比如說例證之後橋樑的檢測我們最近即將發展出我們用AI無人機的檢測來說短它的時間也增加它的精密度這都是台灣自己本土發展出來的好謝謝董事長我請教一下鄭光炎董事長\n\n09:25.694 --> 09:47.848\n董事長有很豐富的這種軌道的經驗不過我要提醒鄭董事長台鐵公司跟高鐵公司他有不同的內部文化這是你面臨最嚴峻的一個挑戰一個百年老店一個18歲的年輕人那相關的內部文化是不一樣的\n\n09:48.829 --> 10:02.771\n那工會也有跟我反映你現在身段是非常的柔軟我想要積極的跟工會來對話還有指責董事長也是一樣工會的員工都是我們最重要的資產\n\n10:04.400 --> 10:24.576\n我要提醒部長我們高鐵的人力目前明顯的不足工作增加班次旅次都增加的這種狀況人力顯然是跟不上這樣的一個進度那台鐵公司化之後員工我們要加強他的信心也非常辛苦\n\n10:25.296 --> 10:49.334\n我是建議啊高鐵跟台鐵的員工啊都要有調心的這樣的一個處理讓員工啊更有信心剛才鄭董事長說要讓大家能夠開心的上班要開心上班啊除了要有榮譽感當然就是啊要能照顧他們的家庭會不會調心啊部長來簡單說明一下報告委員\n\n10:53.175 --> 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