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00:00:47,649\n好來部長好董事長好我想社會各界都非常關注我們這一次這個高鐵董事長新的人事任命案當然我們從過去的一些履歷上看出來他包含說之前媒體上討論過非常多次大家一致上的這個判斷都認為說我們現任這位施董事長可能比較缺乏過去可能看起來沒有交通相關的這個專業那當然了這個大家批評過了但是我們在展望未來我想問一下我們施董事長對於\n\n3\n00:00:49,109 --> 00:01:03,496\n這個既然已經接任了高鐵董事長過去幾任的董事長當然都有相關的可能是在這個交通營運上的一些專業那我不知道施董事長你來接任董事長之後我想上一段時間到目前為止接任到現在未來高鐵對你來講你要\n\n4\n00:01:05,217 --> 00:01:19,794\n負責什麼樣的業務你要把高鐵公司帶往什麼樣的方向可以請市董事長簡單說明一下好謝謝委員我剛剛特別在報告裡面有特別說明今年是高鐵開通的第18年明年新車到港是第19年新車加入是第20年\n\n5\n00:01:20,655 --> 00:01:44,442\n一個營運20年的高鐵公司我們希望在20年的狀況底下在新車加入的狀況底下能夠在服務上在營運上在運安上都能夠再創新的標準所以我特別提出叫做高鐵2.0那新車的導入除了新車進入之外後續整整維修行動安全等等其實是成龍配套所以因此現在整體這個任務是很清楚的\n\n6\n00:01:44,822 --> 00:02:11,310\n這個任務在兩年之後就要實現也必須要被檢驗簡單講這個考題大家都可以看得到它的成果如何好董事長謝謝我想回答非常明確那當然第一個營運的部分過去董事長留下來的這個這董事長留下來的資歷是說目前高鐵營運到去年底為止到今年為止發出年終等等創了新鋼500多億那在營運增加的部分其實董事長你在現行的狀態之下在車子到任之前到現在新車\n\n7\n00:02:12,330 --> 00:02:37,527\n要在兩年後才有完全的上線之前這兩年期間假設你一直擔任董事長那這兩年期間我們要怎麼樣第一個要怎麼樣維持營運第二個有沒有可能再讓營運再創高董事長是特別有關在報告裡面有說明從趨勢圖看起來疫後大爆發事實上目前是趨緩的狀況因此高鐵作為一個公司每年對於運量其實都有預估到目前為止一至五月我們的成長是比去年增加3.4%\n\n8\n00:02:38,928 --> 00:03:03,982\n那這個部分跟之前所增加的6%到7%事實上是趨緩但是也符合我們的目標值那歸來兩年在新車進來之前確實也要跟國人同胞拜託這是一個大家需要共體時間的過程我們7月1號開始也增班了25班次針對暑假那未來我們還會在短期增班確實我們這段時間我們需要各種調度的方法來因應我們旅客的需求\n\n9\n00:03:04,685 --> 00:03:31,172\n董事長我跟你分享一下啦我想過去這個鄭董事長也提過相關的數據喔週六週末當然我們的運量非常高幾乎去全滿八九成左右但是要提升運量要提升我們整個營收可能靠週間啦我們週間注意到週四基本上你的運量大概六成五成多六成所以五成多六成的中間這個東西如果運量能夠提升我想營收也有機會來提升了好不好是不是能夠讓週間的運量看看怎麼樣\n\n10\n00:03:31,972 --> 00:03:47,059\n因為這個我們部長被你背書啦說你有這個相關的可能有行銷有其他地方政府的經驗跟專業那怎麼樣能夠讓週間的運量提升讓高鐵的營收增加我想會不會是未來你可以努力的方向是謝謝委員委員講的沒有錯確實一個軍話是現在目前解決這個\n\n11\n00:03:51,181 --> 00:04:06,769\n人滿為患的一個問題所以在高鐵裡面我們的名詞叫做移風填谷就是把高峰的要能夠移到谷底的那這個部分當然採取非常多的這個票價的策略等等來這個移動那目前事實上但是的\n\n12\n00:04:07,469 --> 00:04:32,584\n五六日的需求畢竟還是一個剛性的需求這個我們要承認那事實上目前我們的旅客也非常的體諒他也知道這個在尖峰時刻的熱門時段也是一票難求事實上在五六日本身全日本身也有均化的現象那我在這裡還是特別感謝大家的幫忙體諒我們在未來兩年希望大家共體時間我們希望我們把新車上路的工作做好\n\n13\n00:04:33,044 --> 00:05:01,996\n好董事長最後一題針對你的部分針對最後一題當然高鐵對你來講高鐵公司這件事情除營運之外對民眾來講大家最在意的你覺得什麼樣的點是最在意的我覺得民眾第一個當然是在乎的是安全那我想這件事情也是高鐵放在整個公司理念當中的永遠的第一位我想高鐵事實上從每天早上5點鐘開始到晚上12點05分收班事實上收班之後大家休息的但是高鐵的\n\n14\n00:05:02,876 --> 00:05:22,578\n工作才正開始為什麼我們的後續的維修檢測一路進行巡軌所以我們其實不是每天運作我們是每秒都在運作那我們感謝高協所有的員工那運安一定是放在第一位第二個我想搭乘的舒適性跟便利性準點這個是旅客對我們\n\n15\n00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:46,451\n絕對的要求那我想我們現在從各方面的調查裡面也看得出來接下來其實大家都會希望我們的安靜度各方面來講都能夠提升那這個也是新車的一個特色謝謝好董事長謝謝我想你的這個運安我想大家我確實也想講運安的事情那當然後續前面的前任班打下非常好的基礎那現在既然接任了我們就期待說後續在運安上\n\n16\n00:05:47,371 --> 00:06:07,651\n還有營運上面營運當然是重點之一但是運安我想對國人來講是更重要的事情那運安我們期待說您接任之後能夠繼續維持過去的高標準的狀態那比較這個是你應該是你的責任了好不好是這一定的謝謝好董事長請回那我們接下來我們就請這個台鐵政董事長台鐵政董事長\n\n17\n00:06:09,565 --> 00:06:28,052\n好那個特別跟部長跟兩位董事長提醒一下各位所有幫忙董事長回答的所有被請人員一定要尊重主席不要把他當成這裡是菜市場\n\n18\n00:06:29,383 --> 00:06:55,060\n好這個尊重主席尊重主席台這是最基本的要素希望兩位董事長跟部長要約束手鼠這是對立法院一個尊重不要要上來就上來要下去就要下去這基本上是不好的那另外我還是要跟鄭董事長跟總經理提醒答應黃國昌的下班以前一定要提\n\n19\n00:06:55,900 --> 00:07:24,642\n一定要提供我們的報告那個之前應該有提過了其實已經有提過了可能黃衛原忘記了好現在請好謝謝主席的提醒那接下來我們請教教鄭董事長鄭董事長當然過去您在高鐵公司任內的確幫高鐵創了營收的薪高那現在您來到台鐵公司那當然第一個我們還是期待台鐵能夠在你的帶領之下能夠成功的體上的轉型它現在正式成為公司了嘛\n\n20\n00:07:25,382 --> 00:07:53,460\n那我們來提到一下票價的問題我想兩天前票價正式的調漲那我們看一下這個票價當然這個票價不會是董事長您定案的這是你現在接手要處理的部分你看到我們這個區間車短程的部分它調漲的金額看起來不高但是比例上的漲幅比如說以台中為例台中到豐原台中到新日就是台中到台中升降到高鐵的部分台中到新日然後還有通行量最大台中彰化跟台中新竹\n\n21\n00:07:54,281 --> 00:08:18,213\n它的這個漲幅大概都會最高來到48%那距離到42%短程的等於相對來講短程的漲幅比較高那你看這個長程的就是從志強號等級比較高距離比較遠台北到高雄漲幅只有18%台北到台東漲幅只有20%那當然我想問一下這樣子的票價的定價策略會不會讓短程的民眾覺得自己\n\n22\n00:08:19,298 --> 00:08:44,209\n像是這個潘岸一樣好像要短程反而要付更多的錢那反而長程的這個票價他不用付比較不用按比例去付更多的票價我想問一下台鐵當初在做這個定價策略的思考是什麼那未來會不會因為這樣子受到這個我們的台鐵營運會不會因為這樣受到重點本來想要賺更多錢但結果導致大家寧願不去做台鐵就做別的運具或是自己開車騎車了\n\n23\n00:08:45,991 --> 00:09:02,449\n董事長謝謝委員指教基本上我們這次的這個定價的這個策略基本上是用地遠地簡致換句話說我們比較長程的部分我們調升的比例是比較少主要也是因為我們希望說台鐵跟高鐵\n\n24\n00:09:03,950 --> 00:09:32,000\n基本上有一個問居分工的概念也就是說我們會比較著重在這個短程那這些通勤的這部分的話來我們是我們要努力的但是對長程的部分的話呢我想這不是台鐵要努力的空間應該是給高鐵而且旅客來講也是這樣來得這個他的這個心理學心理上基本是所以我們在短程裡面我們會希望說我們的班次增多\n\n25\n00:09:33,361 --> 00:09:55,601\n讓我們的通勤旅客隨時有車子可以打最重要能夠把它做到準點在這個方面的話我們希望能夠得到旅客的認同至於票價因為短程基本上量不大但是看起來是百分比確實是沒錯大概百分之四十幾當時我們整個定價的一個策略大概是這樣的一個方向\n\n26\n00:09:56,124 --> 00:10:12,583\n我就說這定價策略會不會導致就是說萬一啦當然這定價策略我不知道第一個這個策略出來之後你多久要檢討一次會不會因此運量下降你們有沒有定什麼時候來檢討如果因為這樣造成運量下降的話營收假設上升但運量如果整體下降等於你服務民眾的這個\n\n27\n00:10:13,988 --> 00:10:29,270\n可及性變低之後那你這個票價有沒有在調整的空間還是這個東西一直往上漲上去我要問的是這個是各位報告基本上我們會逐年來調整來看我們這個策略當時的目標有沒有達到我們的目的\n\n28\n00:10:30,091 --> 00:10:51,825\n那目前看來我們票價調整以後前面幾天我們看起來整個運量其實我們增加的並不多大概只有2點多個%但是我們的這個營收增加了24%所以這個的話策略來講我想初步看來是OK的\n\n29\n00:10:52,766 --> 00:11:07,401\n好董事長謝謝董事長請回謝謝謝謝部長最後一題我要針對我們台中捷運這是一定要問的這是今年四月中的時候你們來考察台中捷運局限當時有一個新聞說江東部長允諾要訴審那我要跟大家講這個訴到底多訴\n\n30\n00:11:08,622 --> 00:11:35,902\n這個去年7月2號我想部長也知道我們去年7月2號台中捷運局限就通過了所謂交通部的可能性研究的審查會有表現通過那去年的10月市府有把這個修正報告也送回了交通部那準備要送出那從去年7月2號通過到去年10月1號再送出那到現在已經今天6月25號即將要滿一年了這到7月2號即將要滿一年了那到底這一年等了一年進度是什麼因為\n\n31\n00:11:37,203 --> 00:11:53,055\n這個還涉及到我們捷運決選不只經過商業區不只經過人口密集區啊它還經過機場嘛那這涉及到我們台中機場所謂2040的這個大的計畫那當初這2040大的計畫裡面包含了台中捷運的這個運量的部分\n\n32\n00:11:53,955 --> 00:12:13,172\n那2040距今也是剩15年而已啦那按照過去蓋捷運的經驗光是蓋工程面可能就要拖個不要說拖啦可能正常進行大概也要10年左右的時間那從2040到現在如果只剩15年那我們的捷運俱全光前面的文件審查到現在還在可行性的部分我想問一下這一年到底發生什麼事情以及\n\n33\n00:12:14,073 --> 00:12:42,082\n什麼時候才能夠送進行政院然後兩行政院趕快核定回來才能進行後面的重要規劃報告委員這個案子我們目前部裡面正在審查不過這個案子我們遇到了幾個重要的課題第一個是我們南投延伸的課題第二個是目前海線延伸的課題鐵道局已經確定要補助1170萬來做這個海線延伸的這個課題那另外也就是說在台中火車站的那個交接的問題以及轉乘的問題\n\n34\n00:12:42,902 --> 00:13:07,953\n目前也跟市政府正在延伸應該有個結論了啦差不多有個結論了那因為遇到這幾個課題所以時間上可能會延長一點不過我的態度還是一樣在交通部的部分我們會加速來審查那個延伸我想這樣啦台中不是第一次做延伸線我們現在的綠線綠線延伸是另外的計畫今天你局線包含說要延伸到海線延伸到南投那個都是後來送來的\n\n35\n00:13:08,573 --> 00:13:35,982\n那不應該影響到主線的進度啊所以你要延伸我也沒有意見都支持反正能做都做但問題是今天如果為了延伸線去影響到主線的這進度我想大家應該是沒辦法接受啦市長我們也希望他能夠加速可是不一樣的地方有不一樣的想法坦白講在台中不一樣的地方大家想法也不一定是一樣但對我們來講加速是一定要做的事不是啦部長你這樣意思說我們今天結運局限要不要過\n\n36\n00:13:37,142 --> 00:13:51,772\n要不要審查通過會受到延伸線的影響嗎因為你延伸線你要等於連這個可行性都還沒送出來還要重新再做可行性那你要等到可行性送出來然後還要通過交通你延伸線還要先通過交通部耶\n\n37\n00:13:52,591 --> 00:14:14,834\n他那邊過了然後才併到這個主線裡面因為今天對我們來講我們現在正在研討就是看怎麼樣分開討論啦但是還是一定要同時能夠做得好要同時能夠做得好我也希望能夠把原本的主線先往前走但其他的延伸線不要蠟對了不要到最後變成不見了這個部分我們正在討論\n\n38\n00:14:15,735 --> 00:14:43,302\n這沒問題啊所以我是說今天主線先過嘛主線能過先過我們目前也在努力而工程工程假設能夠先做了你主線蓋完你才有延伸線的問題嘛這主線要蓋也要好幾年的時間我們目前也在努力這個方向這個真的要快一點這真的白白就等了一年了7月號去年7月號現在即將滿一年了我跟你講這個過程當中其實有很多的修正的內容都在修正這個部分我們跟台中市政府都有在配合好希望這個真的要加速不然你會趕不上2040的機場的計畫\n\n39\n00:14:45,344 --> 00:14:45,708\n好不好部長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3407\t10421\t好謝謝主席主席我們請部長以及請高雷公司石董事長好那個陳部長石董事長\n19924\t47649\t好來部長好董事長好我想社會各界都非常關注我們這一次這個高鐵董事長新的人事任命案當然我們從過去的一些履歷上看出來他包含說之前媒體上討論過非常多次大家一致上的這個判斷都認為說我們現任這位施董事長可能比較缺乏過去可能看起來沒有交通相關的這個專業那當然了這個大家批評過了但是我們在展望未來我想問一下我們施董事長對於\n49109\t63496\t這個既然已經接任了高鐵董事長過去幾任的董事長當然都有相關的可能是在這個交通營運上的一些專業那我不知道施董事長你來接任董事長之後我想上一段時間到目前為止接任到現在未來高鐵對你來講你要\n65217\t79794\t負責什麼樣的業務你要把高鐵公司帶往什麼樣的方向可以請市董事長簡單說明一下好 謝謝委員我剛剛特別在報告裡面有特別說明今年是高鐵開通的第18年明年新車到港是第19年新車加入是第20年\n80655\t104442\t一個營運20年的高鐵公司我們希望在20年的狀況底下在新車加入的狀況底下能夠在服務上在營運上在運安上都能夠再創新的標準所以我特別提出叫做高鐵2.0那新車的導入除了新車進入之外後續整整維修行動安全等等其實是成龍配套所以因此現在整體這個任務是很清楚的\n104822\t131310\t這個任務在兩年之後就要實現也必須要被檢驗簡單講這個考題大家都可以看得到它的成果如何好 董事長謝謝我想回答非常明確那當然第一個營運的部分過去董事長留下來的這個這董事長留下來的資歷是說目前高鐵營運到去年底為止到今年為止發出年終等等創了新鋼500多億那在營運增加的部分其實董事長你在現行的狀態之下在車子到任之前到現在新車\n132330\t157527\t要在兩年後才有完全的上線之前這兩年期間假設你一直擔任董事長那這兩年期間我們要怎麼樣第一個要怎麼樣維持營運第二個有沒有可能再讓營運再創高董事長是 特別有關在報告裡面有說明從趨勢圖看起來疫後大爆發事實上目前是趨緩的狀況因此高鐵作為一個公司每年對於運量其實都有預估到目前為止一至五月我們的成長是比去年增加3.4%\n158928\t183982\t那這個部分跟之前所增加的6%到7%事實上是趨緩但是也符合我們的目標值那歸來兩年在新車進來之前確實也要跟國人同胞拜託這是一個大家需要共體時間的過程我們7月1號開始也增班了25班次針對暑假那未來我們還會在短期增班確實我們這段時間我們需要各種調度的方法來因應我們旅客的需求\n184685\t211172\t董事長我跟你分享一下啦我想過去這個鄭董事長也提過相關的數據喔週六週末當然我們的運量非常高幾乎去全滿八九成左右但是要提升運量要提升我們整個營收可能靠週間啦我們週間注意到週四基本上你的運量大概六成五成多六成所以五成多六成的中間這個東西如果運量能夠提升我想營收也有機會來提升了好不好是不是能夠讓週間的運量看看怎麼樣\n211972\t227059\t因為這個我們部長被你背書啦說你有這個相關的可能有行銷有其他地方政府的經驗跟專業那怎麼樣能夠讓週間的運量提升讓高鐵的營收增加我想會不會是未來你可以努力的方向是 謝謝委員 委員講的沒有錯確實一個軍話是現在目前解決這個\n231181\t246769\t人滿為患的一個問題所以在高鐵裡面我們的名詞叫做移風填谷就是把高峰的要能夠移到谷底的那這個部分當然採取非常多的這個票價的策略等等來這個移動那目前事實上但是的\n247469\t272584\t五六日的需求畢竟還是一個剛性的需求這個我們要承認那事實上目前我們的旅客也非常的體諒他也知道這個在尖峰時刻的熱門時段也是一票難求事實上在五六日本身全日本身也有均化的現象那我在這裡還是特別感謝大家的幫忙體諒我們在未來兩年希望大家共體時間我們希望我們把新車上路的工作做好\n273044\t301996\t好董事長最後一題針對你的部分針對最後一題當然高鐵對你來講高鐵公司這件事情除營運之外對民眾來講大家最在意的你覺得什麼樣的點是最在意的我覺得民眾第一個當然是在乎的是安全那我想這件事情也是高鐵放在整個公司理念當中的永遠的第一位我想高鐵事實上從每天早上5點鐘開始到晚上12點05分收班事實上收班之後大家休息的但是高鐵的\n302876\t322578\t工作才正開始為什麼我們的後續的維修檢測一路進行巡軌所以我們其實不是每天運作我們是每秒都在運作那我們感謝高協所有的員工那運安一定是放在第一位第二個我想搭乘的舒適性跟便利性準點這個是旅客對我們\n323759\t346451\t絕對的要求那我想我們現在從各方面的調查裡面也看得出來接下來其實大家都會希望我們的安靜度各方面來講都能夠提升那這個也是新車的一個特色 謝謝好 董事長謝謝我想你的這個運安我想大家我確實也想講運安的事情那當然後續前面的前任班打下非常好的基礎那現在既然接任了我們就期待說後續在運安上\n347371\t367651\t還有營運上面營運當然是重點之一但是運安我想對國人來講是更重要的事情那運安我們期待說您接任之後能夠繼續維持過去的高標準的狀態那比較這個是你應該是你的責任了好不好是這一定的謝謝好董事長請回那我們接下來我們就請這個台鐵政董事長台鐵政董事長\n369565\t388052\t好那個特別跟部長跟兩位董事長提醒一下各位所有幫忙董事長回答的所有被請人員一定要尊重主席不要把他當成這裡是菜市場\n389383\t415060\t好 這個尊重主席 尊重主席台 這是最基本的要素希望兩位董事長跟部長要約束手鼠這是對立法院一個尊重不要要上來就上來 要下去就要下去這基本上是不好的那另外我還是要跟鄭董事長跟總經理提醒答應黃國昌的下班以前一定要提\n415900\t444642\t一定要提供我們的報告那個之前應該有提過了其實已經有提過了可能黃衛原忘記了好現在請好謝謝主席的提醒那接下來我們請教教鄭董事長鄭董事長當然過去您在高鐵公司任內的確幫高鐵創了營收的薪高那現在您來到台鐵公司那當然第一個我們還是期待台鐵能夠在你的帶領之下能夠成功的體上的轉型它現在正式成為公司了嘛\n445382\t473460\t那我們來提到一下票價的問題我想兩天前票價正式的調漲那我們看一下這個票價當然這個票價不會是董事長您定案的這是你現在接手要處理的部分你看到我們這個區間車短程的部分它調漲的金額看起來不高但是比例上的漲幅比如說以台中為例台中到豐原 台中到新日就是台中到台中升降到高鐵的部分台中到新日然後還有通行量最大台中彰化跟台中新竹\n474281\t498213\t它的這個漲幅大概都會最高來到48%那距離到42%短程的等於相對來講短程的漲幅比較高那你看這個長程的就是從志強號等級比較高距離比較遠台北到高雄漲幅只有18%台北到台東漲幅只有20%那當然我想問一下這樣子的票價的定價策略會不會讓短程的民眾覺得自己\n499298\t524209\t像是這個潘岸一樣好像要短程反而要付更多的錢那反而長程的這個票價他不用付比較不用按比例去付更多的票價我想問一下台鐵當初在做這個定價策略的思考是什麼那未來會不會因為這樣子受到這個我們的台鐵營運會不會因為這樣受到重點本來想要賺更多錢但結果導致大家寧願不去做台鐵就做別的運具或是自己開車騎車了\n525991\t542449\t董事長謝謝委員指教基本上我們這次的這個定價的這個策略基本上是用地遠地簡致換句話說我們比較長程的部分我們調升的比例是比較少主要也是因為我們希望說台鐵跟高鐵\n543950\t572000\t基本上有一個問居分工的概念也就是說我們會比較著重在這個短程那這些通勤的這部分的話來我們是我們要努力的但是對長程的部分的話呢我想這不是台鐵要努力的空間應該是給高鐵而且旅客來講也是這樣來得這個他的這個心理學心理上基本是所以我們在短程裡面我們會希望說我們的班次增多\n573361\t595601\t讓我們的通勤旅客隨時有車子可以打最重要能夠把它做到準點在這個方面的話我們希望能夠得到旅客的認同至於票價因為短程基本上量不大但是看起來是百分比確實是沒錯大概百分之四十幾當時我們整個定價的一個策略大概是這樣的一個方向\n596124\t612583\t我就說這定價策略會不會導致就是說萬一啦當然這定價策略我不知道第一個這個策略出來之後你多久要檢討一次會不會因此運量下降你們有沒有定什麼時候來檢討如果因為這樣造成運量下降的話營收假設上升但運量如果整體下降等於你服務民眾的這個\n613988\t629270\t可及性變低之後那你這個票價有沒有在調整的空間還是這個東西一直往上漲上去我要問的是這個是各位報告基本上我們會逐年來調整來看我們這個策略當時的目標有沒有達到我們的目的\n630091\t651825\t那目前看來我們票價調整以後前面幾天我們看起來整個運量其實我們增加的並不多大概只有2點多個%但是我們的這個營收增加了24%所以這個的話策略來講我想初步看來是OK的\n652766\t667401\t好 董事長謝謝董事長請回 謝謝謝謝部長最後一題我要針對我們台中捷運這是一定要問的這是今年四月中的時候你們來考察台中捷運局限當時有一個新聞說江東部長允諾要訴審那我要跟大家講這個訴到底多訴\n668622\t695902\t這個去年7月2號我想部長也知道我們去年7月2號台中捷運局限就通過了所謂交通部的可能性研究的審查會有表現通過那去年的10月市府有把這個修正報告也送回了交通部那準備要送出那從去年7月2號通過到去年10月1號再送出那到現在已經今天6月25號即將要滿一年了這到7月2號即將要滿一年了那到底這一年等了一年進度是什麼因為\n697203\t713055\t這個還涉及到我們 捷運決選不只經過商業區 不只經過人口密集區啊 它還經過機場嘛那這涉及到我們台中機場所謂2040的這個大的計畫那當初這2040大的計畫裡面 包含了台中捷運的這個運量的部分\n713955\t733172\t那2040距今也是剩15年而已啦那按照過去蓋捷運的經驗光是蓋工程面可能就要拖個不要說拖啦可能正常進行大概也要10年左右的時間那從2040到現在如果只剩15年那我們的捷運俱全光前面的文件審查到現在還在可行性的部分我想問一下這一年到底發生什麼事情以及\n734073\t762082\t什麼時候才能夠送進行政院然後兩行政院趕快核定回來才能進行後面的重要規劃報告委員這個案子我們目前部裡面正在審查不過這個案子我們遇到了幾個重要的課題第一個是我們南投延伸的課題第二個是目前海線延伸的課題鐵道局已經確定要補助1170萬來做這個海線延伸的這個課題那另外也就是說在台中火車站的那個交接的問題以及轉乘的問題\n762902\t787953\t目前也跟市政府正在延伸應該有個結論了啦差不多有個結論了那因為遇到這幾個課題所以時間上可能會延長一點不過我的態度還是一樣在交通部的部分我們會加速來審查那個延伸我想這樣啦台中不是第一次做延伸線我們現在的綠線綠線延伸是另外的計畫今天你局線包含說要延伸到海線延伸到南投那個都是後來送來的\n788573\t815982\t那不應該影響到主線的進度啊所以你要延伸我也沒有意見都支持反正能做都做但問題是今天如果為了延伸線去影響到主線的這進度我想大家應該是沒辦法接受啦市長我們也希望他能夠加速可是不一樣的地方有不一樣的想法坦白講在台中不一樣的地方大家想法也不一定是一樣但對我們來講加速是一定要做的事不是啦部長你這樣意思說我們今天結運局限要不要過\n817142\t831772\t要不要審查通過會受到延伸線的影響嗎因為你延伸線你要等於連這個可行性都還沒送出來還要重新再做可行性那你要等到可行性送出來然後還要通過交通你延伸線還要先通過交通部耶\n832591\t854834\t他那邊過了然後才併到這個主線裡面因為今天對我們來講我們現在正在研討就是看怎麼樣分開討論啦但是還是一定要同時能夠做得好要同時能夠做得好我也希望能夠把原本的主線先往前走但其他的延伸線不要蠟對了不要到最後變成不見了這個部分我們正在討論\n855735\t883302\t這沒問題啊所以我是說今天主線先過嘛主線能過先過我們目前也在努力而工程工程假設能夠先做了你主線蓋完你才有延伸線的問題嘛這主線要蓋也要好幾年的時間我們目前也在努力這個方向這個真的要快一點這真的白白就等了一年了7月號去年7月號現在即將滿一年了我跟你講這個過程當中其實有很多的修正的內容都在修正這個部分我們跟台中市政府都有在配合好希望這個真的要加速不然你會趕不上2040的機場的計畫\n885344\t885708\t好不好 部長謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席我們請部長以及請高雷公司石董事長好那個陳部長石董事長\n好來部長好董事長好我想社會各界都非常關注我們這一次這個高鐵董事長新的人事任命案當然我們從過去的一些履歷上看出來他包含說之前媒體上討論過非常多次大家一致上的這個判斷都認為說我們現任這位施董事長可能比較缺乏過去可能看起來沒有交通相關的這個專業那當然了這個大家批評過了但是我們在展望未來我想問一下我們施董事長對於\n這個既然已經接任了高鐵董事長過去幾任的董事長當然都有相關的可能是在這個交通營運上的一些專業那我不知道施董事長你來接任董事長之後我想上一段時間到目前為止接任到現在未來高鐵對你來講你要\n負責什麼樣的業務你要把高鐵公司帶往什麼樣的方向可以請市董事長簡單說明一下好 謝謝委員我剛剛特別在報告裡面有特別說明今年是高鐵開通的第18年明年新車到港是第19年新車加入是第20年\n一個營運20年的高鐵公司我們希望在20年的狀況底下在新車加入的狀況底下能夠在服務上在營運上在運安上都能夠再創新的標準所以我特別提出叫做高鐵2.0那新車的導入除了新車進入之外後續整整維修行動安全等等其實是成龍配套所以因此現在整體這個任務是很清楚的\n這個任務在兩年之後就要實現也必須要被檢驗簡單講這個考題大家都可以看得到它的成果如何好 董事長謝謝我想回答非常明確那當然第一個營運的部分過去董事長留下來的這個這董事長留下來的資歷是說目前高鐵營運到去年底為止到今年為止發出年終等等創了新鋼500多億那在營運增加的部分其實董事長你在現行的狀態之下在車子到任之前到現在新車\n要在兩年後才有完全的上線之前這兩年期間假設你一直擔任董事長那這兩年期間我們要怎麼樣第一個要怎麼樣維持營運第二個有沒有可能再讓營運再創高董事長是 特別有關在報告裡面有說明從趨勢圖看起來疫後大爆發事實上目前是趨緩的狀況因此高鐵作為一個公司每年對於運量其實都有預估到目前為止一至五月我們的成長是比去年增加3.4%\n那這個部分跟之前所增加的6%到7%事實上是趨緩但是也符合我們的目標值那歸來兩年在新車進來之前確實也要跟國人同胞拜託這是一個大家需要共體時間的過程我們7月1號開始也增班了25班次針對暑假那未來我們還會在短期增班確實我們這段時間我們需要各種調度的方法來因應我們旅客的需求\n董事長我跟你分享一下啦我想過去這個鄭董事長也提過相關的數據喔週六週末當然我們的運量非常高幾乎去全滿八九成左右但是要提升運量要提升我們整個營收可能靠週間啦我們週間注意到週四基本上你的運量大概六成五成多六成所以五成多六成的中間這個東西如果運量能夠提升我想營收也有機會來提升了好不好是不是能夠讓週間的運量看看怎麼樣\n因為這個我們部長被你背書啦說你有這個相關的可能有行銷有其他地方政府的經驗跟專業那怎麼樣能夠讓週間的運量提升讓高鐵的營收增加我想會不會是未來你可以努力的方向是 謝謝委員 委員講的沒有錯確實一個軍話是現在目前解決這個\n人滿為患的一個問題所以在高鐵裡面我們的名詞叫做移風填谷就是把高峰的要能夠移到谷底的那這個部分當然採取非常多的這個票價的策略等等來這個移動那目前事實上但是的\n五六日的需求畢竟還是一個剛性的需求這個我們要承認那事實上目前我們的旅客也非常的體諒他也知道這個在尖峰時刻的熱門時段也是一票難求事實上在五六日本身全日本身也有均化的現象那我在這裡還是特別感謝大家的幫忙體諒我們在未來兩年希望大家共體時間我們希望我們把新車上路的工作做好\n好董事長最後一題針對你的部分針對最後一題當然高鐵對你來講高鐵公司這件事情除營運之外對民眾來講大家最在意的你覺得什麼樣的點是最在意的我覺得民眾第一個當然是在乎的是安全那我想這件事情也是高鐵放在整個公司理念當中的永遠的第一位我想高鐵事實上從每天早上5點鐘開始到晚上12點05分收班事實上收班之後大家休息的但是高鐵的\n工作才正開始為什麼我們的後續的維修檢測一路進行巡軌所以我們其實不是每天運作我們是每秒都在運作那我們感謝高協所有的員工那運安一定是放在第一位第二個我想搭乘的舒適性跟便利性準點這個是旅客對我們\n絕對的要求那我想我們現在從各方面的調查裡面也看得出來接下來其實大家都會希望我們的安靜度各方面來講都能夠提升那這個也是新車的一個特色 謝謝好 董事長謝謝我想你的這個運安我想大家我確實也想講運安的事情那當然後續前面的前任班打下非常好的基礎那現在既然接任了我們就期待說後續在運安上\n還有營運上面營運當然是重點之一但是運安我想對國人來講是更重要的事情那運安我們期待說您接任之後能夠繼續維持過去的高標準的狀態那比較這個是你應該是你的責任了好不好是這一定的謝謝好董事長請回那我們接下來我們就請這個台鐵政董事長台鐵政董事長\n好那個特別跟部長跟兩位董事長提醒一下各位所有幫忙董事長回答的所有被請人員一定要尊重主席不要把他當成這裡是菜市場\n好 這個尊重主席 尊重主席台 這是最基本的要素希望兩位董事長跟部長要約束手鼠這是對立法院一個尊重不要要上來就上來 要下去就要下去這基本上是不好的那另外我還是要跟鄭董事長跟總經理提醒答應黃國昌的下班以前一定要提\n一定要提供我們的報告那個之前應該有提過了其實已經有提過了可能黃衛原忘記了好現在請好謝謝主席的提醒那接下來我們請教教鄭董事長鄭董事長當然過去您在高鐵公司任內的確幫高鐵創了營收的薪高那現在您來到台鐵公司那當然第一個我們還是期待台鐵能夠在你的帶領之下能夠成功的體上的轉型它現在正式成為公司了嘛\n那我們來提到一下票價的問題我想兩天前票價正式的調漲那我們看一下這個票價當然這個票價不會是董事長您定案的這是你現在接手要處理的部分你看到我們這個區間車短程的部分它調漲的金額看起來不高但是比例上的漲幅比如說以台中為例台中到豐原 台中到新日就是台中到台中升降到高鐵的部分台中到新日然後還有通行量最大台中彰化跟台中新竹\n它的這個漲幅大概都會最高來到48%那距離到42%短程的等於相對來講短程的漲幅比較高那你看這個長程的就是從志強號等級比較高距離比較遠台北到高雄漲幅只有18%台北到台東漲幅只有20%那當然我想問一下這樣子的票價的定價策略會不會讓短程的民眾覺得自己\n像是這個潘岸一樣好像要短程反而要付更多的錢那反而長程的這個票價他不用付比較不用按比例去付更多的票價我想問一下台鐵當初在做這個定價策略的思考是什麼那未來會不會因為這樣子受到這個我們的台鐵營運會不會因為這樣受到重點本來想要賺更多錢但結果導致大家寧願不去做台鐵就做別的運具或是自己開車騎車了\n董事長謝謝委員指教基本上我們這次的這個定價的這個策略基本上是用地遠地簡致換句話說我們比較長程的部分我們調升的比例是比較少主要也是因為我們希望說台鐵跟高鐵\n基本上有一個問居分工的概念也就是說我們會比較著重在這個短程那這些通勤的這部分的話來我們是我們要努力的但是對長程的部分的話呢我想這不是台鐵要努力的空間應該是給高鐵而且旅客來講也是這樣來得這個他的這個心理學心理上基本是所以我們在短程裡面我們會希望說我們的班次增多\n讓我們的通勤旅客隨時有車子可以打最重要能夠把它做到準點在這個方面的話我們希望能夠得到旅客的認同至於票價因為短程基本上量不大但是看起來是百分比確實是沒錯大概百分之四十幾當時我們整個定價的一個策略大概是這樣的一個方向\n我就說這定價策略會不會導致就是說萬一啦當然這定價策略我不知道第一個這個策略出來之後你多久要檢討一次會不會因此運量下降你們有沒有定什麼時候來檢討如果因為這樣造成運量下降的話營收假設上升但運量如果整體下降等於你服務民眾的這個\n可及性變低之後那你這個票價有沒有在調整的空間還是這個東西一直往上漲上去我要問的是這個是各位報告基本上我們會逐年來調整來看我們這個策略當時的目標有沒有達到我們的目的\n那目前看來我們票價調整以後前面幾天我們看起來整個運量其實我們增加的並不多大概只有2點多個%但是我們的這個營收增加了24%所以這個的話策略來講我想初步看來是OK的\n好 董事長謝謝董事長請回 謝謝謝謝部長最後一題我要針對我們台中捷運這是一定要問的這是今年四月中的時候你們來考察台中捷運局限當時有一個新聞說江東部長允諾要訴審那我要跟大家講這個訴到底多訴\n這個去年7月2號我想部長也知道我們去年7月2號台中捷運局限就通過了所謂交通部的可能性研究的審查會有表現通過那去年的10月市府有把這個修正報告也送回了交通部那準備要送出那從去年7月2號通過到去年10月1號再送出那到現在已經今天6月25號即將要滿一年了這到7月2號即將要滿一年了那到底這一年等了一年進度是什麼因為\n這個還涉及到我們 捷運決選不只經過商業區 不只經過人口密集區啊 它還經過機場嘛那這涉及到我們台中機場所謂2040的這個大的計畫那當初這2040大的計畫裡面 包含了台中捷運的這個運量的部分\n那2040距今也是剩15年而已啦那按照過去蓋捷運的經驗光是蓋工程面可能就要拖個不要說拖啦可能正常進行大概也要10年左右的時間那從2040到現在如果只剩15年那我們的捷運俱全光前面的文件審查到現在還在可行性的部分我想問一下這一年到底發生什麼事情以及\n什麼時候才能夠送進行政院然後兩行政院趕快核定回來才能進行後面的重要規劃報告委員這個案子我們目前部裡面正在審查不過這個案子我們遇到了幾個重要的課題第一個是我們南投延伸的課題第二個是目前海線延伸的課題鐵道局已經確定要補助1170萬來做這個海線延伸的這個課題那另外也就是說在台中火車站的那個交接的問題以及轉乘的問題\n目前也跟市政府正在延伸應該有個結論了啦差不多有個結論了那因為遇到這幾個課題所以時間上可能會延長一點不過我的態度還是一樣在交通部的部分我們會加速來審查那個延伸我想這樣啦台中不是第一次做延伸線我們現在的綠線綠線延伸是另外的計畫今天你局線包含說要延伸到海線延伸到南投那個都是後來送來的\n那不應該影響到主線的進度啊所以你要延伸我也沒有意見都支持反正能做都做但問題是今天如果為了延伸線去影響到主線的這進度我想大家應該是沒辦法接受啦市長我們也希望他能夠加速可是不一樣的地方有不一樣的想法坦白講在台中不一樣的地方大家想法也不一定是一樣但對我們來講加速是一定要做的事不是啦部長你這樣意思說我們今天結運局限要不要過\n要不要審查通過會受到延伸線的影響嗎因為你延伸線你要等於連這個可行性都還沒送出來還要重新再做可行性那你要等到可行性送出來然後還要通過交通你延伸線還要先通過交通部耶\n他那邊過了然後才併到這個主線裡面因為今天對我們來講我們現在正在研討就是看怎麼樣分開討論啦但是還是一定要同時能夠做得好要同時能夠做得好我也希望能夠把原本的主線先往前走但其他的延伸線不要蠟對了不要到最後變成不見了這個部分我們正在討論\n這沒問題啊所以我是說今天主線先過嘛主線能過先過我們目前也在努力而工程工程假設能夠先做了你主線蓋完你才有延伸線的問題嘛這主線要蓋也要好幾年的時間我們目前也在努力這個方向這個真的要快一點這真的白白就等了一年了7月號去年7月號現在即將滿一年了我跟你講這個過程當中其實有很多的修正的內容都在修正這個部分我們跟台中市政府都有在配合好希望這個真的要加速不然你會趕不上2040的機場的計畫\n好不好 部長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.407 --> 00:10.421\n好謝謝主席主席我們請部長以及請高雷公司石董事長好那個陳部長石董事長\n\n00:19.924 --> 00:47.649\n好來部長好董事長好我想社會各界都非常關注我們這一次這個高鐵董事長新的人事任命案當然我們從過去的一些履歷上看出來他包含說之前媒體上討論過非常多次大家一致上的這個判斷都認為說我們現任這位施董事長可能比較缺乏過去可能看起來沒有交通相關的這個專業那當然了這個大家批評過了但是我們在展望未來我想問一下我們施董事長對於\n\n00:49.109 --> 01:03.496\n這個既然已經接任了高鐵董事長過去幾任的董事長當然都有相關的可能是在這個交通營運上的一些專業那我不知道施董事長你來接任董事長之後我想上一段時間到目前為止接任到現在未來高鐵對你來講你要\n\n01:05.217 --> 01:19.794\n負責什麼樣的業務你要把高鐵公司帶往什麼樣的方向可以請市董事長簡單說明一下好謝謝委員我剛剛特別在報告裡面有特別說明今年是高鐵開通的第18年明年新車到港是第19年新車加入是第20年\n\n01:20.655 --> 01:44.442\n一個營運20年的高鐵公司我們希望在20年的狀況底下在新車加入的狀況底下能夠在服務上在營運上在運安上都能夠再創新的標準所以我特別提出叫做高鐵2.0那新車的導入除了新車進入之外後續整整維修行動安全等等其實是成龍配套所以因此現在整體這個任務是很清楚的\n\n01:44.822 --> 02:11.310\n這個任務在兩年之後就要實現也必須要被檢驗簡單講這個考題大家都可以看得到它的成果如何好董事長謝謝我想回答非常明確那當然第一個營運的部分過去董事長留下來的這個這董事長留下來的資歷是說目前高鐵營運到去年底為止到今年為止發出年終等等創了新鋼500多億那在營運增加的部分其實董事長你在現行的狀態之下在車子到任之前到現在新車\n\n02:12.330 --> 02:37.527\n要在兩年後才有完全的上線之前這兩年期間假設你一直擔任董事長那這兩年期間我們要怎麼樣第一個要怎麼樣維持營運第二個有沒有可能再讓營運再創高董事長是特別有關在報告裡面有說明從趨勢圖看起來疫後大爆發事實上目前是趨緩的狀況因此高鐵作為一個公司每年對於運量其實都有預估到目前為止一至五月我們的成長是比去年增加3.4%\n\n02:38.928 --> 03:03.982\n那這個部分跟之前所增加的6%到7%事實上是趨緩但是也符合我們的目標值那歸來兩年在新車進來之前確實也要跟國人同胞拜託這是一個大家需要共體時間的過程我們7月1號開始也增班了25班次針對暑假那未來我們還會在短期增班確實我們這段時間我們需要各種調度的方法來因應我們旅客的需求\n\n03:04.685 --> 03:31.172\n董事長我跟你分享一下啦我想過去這個鄭董事長也提過相關的數據喔週六週末當然我們的運量非常高幾乎去全滿八九成左右但是要提升運量要提升我們整個營收可能靠週間啦我們週間注意到週四基本上你的運量大概六成五成多六成所以五成多六成的中間這個東西如果運量能夠提升我想營收也有機會來提升了好不好是不是能夠讓週間的運量看看怎麼樣\n\n03:31.972 --> 03:47.059\n因為這個我們部長被你背書啦說你有這個相關的可能有行銷有其他地方政府的經驗跟專業那怎麼樣能夠讓週間的運量提升讓高鐵的營收增加我想會不會是未來你可以努力的方向是謝謝委員委員講的沒有錯確實一個軍話是現在目前解決這個\n\n03:51.181 --> 04:06.769\n人滿為患的一個問題所以在高鐵裡面我們的名詞叫做移風填谷就是把高峰的要能夠移到谷底的那這個部分當然採取非常多的這個票價的策略等等來這個移動那目前事實上但是的\n\n04:07.469 --> 04:32.584\n五六日的需求畢竟還是一個剛性的需求這個我們要承認那事實上目前我們的旅客也非常的體諒他也知道這個在尖峰時刻的熱門時段也是一票難求事實上在五六日本身全日本身也有均化的現象那我在這裡還是特別感謝大家的幫忙體諒我們在未來兩年希望大家共體時間我們希望我們把新車上路的工作做好\n\n04:33.044 --> 05:01.996\n好董事長最後一題針對你的部分針對最後一題當然高鐵對你來講高鐵公司這件事情除營運之外對民眾來講大家最在意的你覺得什麼樣的點是最在意的我覺得民眾第一個當然是在乎的是安全那我想這件事情也是高鐵放在整個公司理念當中的永遠的第一位我想高鐵事實上從每天早上5點鐘開始到晚上12點05分收班事實上收班之後大家休息的但是高鐵的\n\n05:02.876 --> 05:22.578\n工作才正開始為什麼我們的後續的維修檢測一路進行巡軌所以我們其實不是每天運作我們是每秒都在運作那我們感謝高協所有的員工那運安一定是放在第一位第二個我想搭乘的舒適性跟便利性準點這個是旅客對我們\n\n05:23.759 --> 05:46.451\n絕對的要求那我想我們現在從各方面的調查裡面也看得出來接下來其實大家都會希望我們的安靜度各方面來講都能夠提升那這個也是新車的一個特色謝謝好董事長謝謝我想你的這個運安我想大家我確實也想講運安的事情那當然後續前面的前任班打下非常好的基礎那現在既然接任了我們就期待說後續在運安上\n\n05:47.371 --> 06:07.651\n還有營運上面營運當然是重點之一但是運安我想對國人來講是更重要的事情那運安我們期待說您接任之後能夠繼續維持過去的高標準的狀態那比較這個是你應該是你的責任了好不好是這一定的謝謝好董事長請回那我們接下來我們就請這個台鐵政董事長台鐵政董事長\n\n06:09.565 --> 06:28.052\n好那個特別跟部長跟兩位董事長提醒一下各位所有幫忙董事長回答的所有被請人員一定要尊重主席不要把他當成這裡是菜市場\n\n06:29.383 --> 06:55.060\n好這個尊重主席尊重主席台這是最基本的要素希望兩位董事長跟部長要約束手鼠這是對立法院一個尊重不要要上來就上來要下去就要下去這基本上是不好的那另外我還是要跟鄭董事長跟總經理提醒答應黃國昌的下班以前一定要提\n\n06:55.900 --> 07:24.642\n一定要提供我們的報告那個之前應該有提過了其實已經有提過了可能黃衛原忘記了好現在請好謝謝主席的提醒那接下來我們請教教鄭董事長鄭董事長當然過去您在高鐵公司任內的確幫高鐵創了營收的薪高那現在您來到台鐵公司那當然第一個我們還是期待台鐵能夠在你的帶領之下能夠成功的體上的轉型它現在正式成為公司了嘛\n\n07:25.382 --> 07:53.460\n那我們來提到一下票價的問題我想兩天前票價正式的調漲那我們看一下這個票價當然這個票價不會是董事長您定案的這是你現在接手要處理的部分你看到我們這個區間車短程的部分它調漲的金額看起來不高但是比例上的漲幅比如說以台中為例台中到豐原台中到新日就是台中到台中升降到高鐵的部分台中到新日然後還有通行量最大台中彰化跟台中新竹\n\n07:54.281 --> 08:18.213\n它的這個漲幅大概都會最高來到48%那距離到42%短程的等於相對來講短程的漲幅比較高那你看這個長程的就是從志強號等級比較高距離比較遠台北到高雄漲幅只有18%台北到台東漲幅只有20%那當然我想問一下這樣子的票價的定價策略會不會讓短程的民眾覺得自己\n\n08:19.298 --> 08:44.209\n像是這個潘岸一樣好像要短程反而要付更多的錢那反而長程的這個票價他不用付比較不用按比例去付更多的票價我想問一下台鐵當初在做這個定價策略的思考是什麼那未來會不會因為這樣子受到這個我們的台鐵營運會不會因為這樣受到重點本來想要賺更多錢但結果導致大家寧願不去做台鐵就做別的運具或是自己開車騎車了\n\n08:45.991 --> 09:02.449\n董事長謝謝委員指教基本上我們這次的這個定價的這個策略基本上是用地遠地簡致換句話說我們比較長程的部分我們調升的比例是比較少主要也是因為我們希望說台鐵跟高鐵\n\n09:03.950 --> 09:32.000\n基本上有一個問居分工的概念也就是說我們會比較著重在這個短程那這些通勤的這部分的話來我們是我們要努力的但是對長程的部分的話呢我想這不是台鐵要努力的空間應該是給高鐵而且旅客來講也是這樣來得這個他的這個心理學心理上基本是所以我們在短程裡面我們會希望說我們的班次增多\n\n09:33.361 --> 09:55.601\n讓我們的通勤旅客隨時有車子可以打最重要能夠把它做到準點在這個方面的話我們希望能夠得到旅客的認同至於票價因為短程基本上量不大但是看起來是百分比確實是沒錯大概百分之四十幾當時我們整個定價的一個策略大概是這樣的一個方向\n\n09:56.124 --> 10:12.583\n我就說這定價策略會不會導致就是說萬一啦當然這定價策略我不知道第一個這個策略出來之後你多久要檢討一次會不會因此運量下降你們有沒有定什麼時候來檢討如果因為這樣造成運量下降的話營收假設上升但運量如果整體下降等於你服務民眾的這個\n\n10:13.988 --> 10:29.270\n可及性變低之後那你這個票價有沒有在調整的空間還是這個東西一直往上漲上去我要問的是這個是各位報告基本上我們會逐年來調整來看我們這個策略當時的目標有沒有達到我們的目的\n\n10:30.091 --> 10:51.825\n那目前看來我們票價調整以後前面幾天我們看起來整個運量其實我們增加的並不多大概只有2點多個%但是我們的這個營收增加了24%所以這個的話策略來講我想初步看來是OK的\n\n10:52.766 --> 11:07.401\n好董事長謝謝董事長請回謝謝謝謝部長最後一題我要針對我們台中捷運這是一定要問的這是今年四月中的時候你們來考察台中捷運局限當時有一個新聞說江東部長允諾要訴審那我要跟大家講這個訴到底多訴\n\n11:08.622 --> 11:35.902\n這個去年7月2號我想部長也知道我們去年7月2號台中捷運局限就通過了所謂交通部的可能性研究的審查會有表現通過那去年的10月市府有把這個修正報告也送回了交通部那準備要送出那從去年7月2號通過到去年10月1號再送出那到現在已經今天6月25號即將要滿一年了這到7月2號即將要滿一年了那到底這一年等了一年進度是什麼因為\n\n11:37.203 --> 11:53.055\n這個還涉及到我們捷運決選不只經過商業區不只經過人口密集區啊它還經過機場嘛那這涉及到我們台中機場所謂2040的這個大的計畫那當初這2040大的計畫裡面包含了台中捷運的這個運量的部分\n\n11:53.955 --> 12:13.172\n那2040距今也是剩15年而已啦那按照過去蓋捷運的經驗光是蓋工程面可能就要拖個不要說拖啦可能正常進行大概也要10年左右的時間那從2040到現在如果只剩15年那我們的捷運俱全光前面的文件審查到現在還在可行性的部分我想問一下這一年到底發生什麼事情以及\n\n12:14.073 --> 12:42.082\n什麼時候才能夠送進行政院然後兩行政院趕快核定回來才能進行後面的重要規劃報告委員這個案子我們目前部裡面正在審查不過這個案子我們遇到了幾個重要的課題第一個是我們南投延伸的課題第二個是目前海線延伸的課題鐵道局已經確定要補助1170萬來做這個海線延伸的這個課題那另外也就是說在台中火車站的那個交接的問題以及轉乘的問題\n\n12:42.902 --> 13:07.953\n目前也跟市政府正在延伸應該有個結論了啦差不多有個結論了那因為遇到這幾個課題所以時間上可能會延長一點不過我的態度還是一樣在交通部的部分我們會加速來審查那個延伸我想這樣啦台中不是第一次做延伸線我們現在的綠線綠線延伸是另外的計畫今天你局線包含說要延伸到海線延伸到南投那個都是後來送來的\n\n13:08.573 --> 13:35.982\n那不應該影響到主線的進度啊所以你要延伸我也沒有意見都支持反正能做都做但問題是今天如果為了延伸線去影響到主線的這進度我想大家應該是沒辦法接受啦市長我們也希望他能夠加速可是不一樣的地方有不一樣的想法坦白講在台中不一樣的地方大家想法也不一定是一樣但對我們來講加速是一定要做的事不是啦部長你這樣意思說我們今天結運局限要不要過\n\n13:37.142 --> 13:51.772\n要不要審查通過會受到延伸線的影響嗎因為你延伸線你要等於連這個可行性都還沒送出來還要重新再做可行性那你要等到可行性送出來然後還要通過交通你延伸線還要先通過交通部耶\n\n13:52.591 --> 14:14.834\n他那邊過了然後才併到這個主線裡面因為今天對我們來講我們現在正在研討就是看怎麼樣分開討論啦但是還是一定要同時能夠做得好要同時能夠做得好我也希望能夠把原本的主線先往前走但其他的延伸線不要蠟對了不要到最後變成不見了這個部分我們正在討論\n\n14:15.735 --> 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董事長謝謝董事長請回 謝謝謝謝部長最後一題我要針對我們台中捷運這是一定要問的這是今年四月中的時候你們來考察台中捷運局限當時有一個新聞說江東部長允諾要訴審那我要跟大家講這個訴到底多訴"},{"start":668.622,"end":695.902,"text":"這個去年7月2號我想部長也知道我們去年7月2號台中捷運局限就通過了所謂交通部的可能性研究的審查會有表現通過那去年的10月市府有把這個修正報告也送回了交通部那準備要送出那從去年7月2號通過到去年10月1號再送出那到現在已經今天6月25號即將要滿一年了這到7月2號即將要滿一年了那到底這一年等了一年進度是什麼因為"},{"start":697.203,"end":713.055,"text":"這個還涉及到我們 捷運決選不只經過商業區 不只經過人口密集區啊 它還經過機場嘛那這涉及到我們台中機場所謂2040的這個大的計畫那當初這2040大的計畫裡面 包含了台中捷運的這個運量的部分"},{"start":713.955,"end":733.172,"text":"那2040距今也是剩15年而已啦那按照過去蓋捷運的經驗光是蓋工程面可能就要拖個不要說拖啦可能正常進行大概也要10年左右的時間那從2040到現在如果只剩15年那我們的捷運俱全光前面的文件審查到現在還在可行性的部分我想問一下這一年到底發生什麼事情以及"},{"start":734.073,"end":762.082,"text":"什麼時候才能夠送進行政院然後兩行政院趕快核定回來才能進行後面的重要規劃報告委員這個案子我們目前部裡面正在審查不過這個案子我們遇到了幾個重要的課題第一個是我們南投延伸的課題第二個是目前海線延伸的課題鐵道局已經確定要補助1170萬來做這個海線延伸的這個課題那另外也就是說在台中火車站的那個交接的問題以及轉乘的問題"},{"start":762.902,"end":787.953,"text":"目前也跟市政府正在延伸應該有個結論了啦差不多有個結論了那因為遇到這幾個課題所以時間上可能會延長一點不過我的態度還是一樣在交通部的部分我們會加速來審查那個延伸我想這樣啦台中不是第一次做延伸線我們現在的綠線綠線延伸是另外的計畫今天你局線包含說要延伸到海線延伸到南投那個都是後來送來的"},{"start":788.573,"end":815.982,"text":"那不應該影響到主線的進度啊所以你要延伸我也沒有意見都支持反正能做都做但問題是今天如果為了延伸線去影響到主線的這進度我想大家應該是沒辦法接受啦市長我們也希望他能夠加速可是不一樣的地方有不一樣的想法坦白講在台中不一樣的地方大家想法也不一定是一樣但對我們來講加速是一定要做的事不是啦部長你這樣意思說我們今天結運局限要不要過"},{"start":817.142,"end":831.772,"text":"要不要審查通過會受到延伸線的影響嗎因為你延伸線你要等於連這個可行性都還沒送出來還要重新再做可行性那你要等到可行性送出來然後還要通過交通你延伸線還要先通過交通部耶"},{"start":832.591,"end":854.834,"text":"他那邊過了然後才併到這個主線裡面因為今天對我們來講我們現在正在研討就是看怎麼樣分開討論啦但是還是一定要同時能夠做得好要同時能夠做得好我也希望能夠把原本的主線先往前走但其他的延伸線不要蠟對了不要到最後變成不見了這個部分我們正在討論"},{"start":855.735,"end":883.302,"text":"這沒問題啊所以我是說今天主線先過嘛主線能過先過我們目前也在努力而工程工程假設能夠先做了你主線蓋完你才有延伸線的問題嘛這主線要蓋也要好幾年的時間我們目前也在努力這個方向這個真的要快一點這真的白白就等了一年了7月號去年7月號現在即將滿一年了我跟你講這個過程當中其實有很多的修正的內容都在修正這個部分我們跟台中市政府都有在配合好希望這個真的要加速不然你會趕不上2040的機場的計畫"},{"start":885.344,"end":885.708,"text":"好不好 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