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00:02:05,562\n那第二飛機上到底有多少軍人這個也不要被掌握那這個部分呢其實我們有跟國防部討論過之後我們到時候的識別的模式對於軍人來講他只要拿出他的識別證我們的人員有看到就好但我們不會做登記或者是登錄因為你登記或登錄他的身份可能就顯露出來那這個部分我們會特別注意所以針對他的個資的部分我們也會特別注意所以這個部分請委員放心\n\n6\n00:02:05,922 --> 00:02:30,251\n對部長說我想這部分我們還是必須跟國防部來做審慎的一個演繹這是一個利益良善的一個制度但是我們也擔心變成被滲透的一個管道這要特別注意一下是所以我們在飛機上也不會特別註記說哪個位置是軍人這個註記的部分不會做只是看他的識別證就可以了好謝謝那我們再接著我們再請台鐵政董事長還有高鐵司董事長謝謝\n\n7\n00:02:38,462 --> 00:02:53,991\n那個鄭董事長還有石董事長來兩位董事長恭喜我們都就任了那我想這個鐵道運輸是我們現在目前我們台灣的我們的鄉親這個通勤很重要的一個命脈也是包含旅遊跟經濟發展的一個命脈\n\n8\n00:02:54,711 --> 00:03:13,210\n那因為我們立法院之前三讀通過的一個身心障礙權益保障法我們未來會把公共運輸的博愛座改更為優先席並將這個老弱婦孺的部分修正為身心障礙者還有其他有需要的那兩位董事長\n\n9\n00:03:14,131 --> 00:03:31,655\n我們後續針對我們車廂的一個設施我們預估要花多少時間多少經費來做改善可以請兩個董事長說明一下嗎是跟委員報告我們新車的部分其實我們已經把這個已經改成優先洗了那舊的車子的話我們馬上來按照這個現在訂的方式來做要開落過的時間\n\n10\n00:03:39,537 --> 00:03:50,639\n我們今年年底前可以把這個工作做好年底了那高鐵部分董事長我們一旦這個細部的這個圖案跟標示統一公布之後我們隨即會配合來辦理\n\n11\n00:03:51,641 --> 00:04:09,373\n所以我們一樣都會加快來配合辦理那部長那除了高鐵跟台鐵之外那客運的部分也有這樣一個問題存在那客運的部分有沒有同步要做處理報告委員當然啦就是大家一體適用我們等這個立法院的這個立法過程三讀通過完之後\n\n12\n00:04:10,173 --> 00:04:28,909\n那該配合的執法交通部會來配合因為像在立法院這個是未還委員會他們那邊的他們負責的啦那不是在我們交委會但執法的修訂我們交通部會來配合那當交通部的這個執法修訂完成之後各個運具系統大家就會來配合修訂\n\n13\n00:04:29,878 --> 00:04:46,783\n因為我們也擔心之前為了這個搶博愛做也發生很多的這個斟酌的一個狀況我們也擔心未來也必須要把這個制度應該說清楚講明白不然大家為了衝一個圍把人造成一些治安的問題也不好那這部分再麻煩我們再掌握一下狀況\n\n14\n00:04:48,524 --> 00:05:15,175\n那我想那個高鐵董事長這個石董事長過去人家都把你額額頂指望但是我們現在看到這個高鐵還是有一些的問題發生董事長這個先每到週末禮拜五或是連假高鐵一票難求這個甚至人家說比演唱會的票更難買啦針對這樣的一個狀況你上任之後有沒有什麼樣的一個革新或是經濟的一個做法\n\n15\n00:05:15,635 --> 00:05:29,816\n是我想對我們跟你們一樣都是南部出身的會感受特別深那我也必須承認這個未來兩年是一個必須共體時間的時刻因為我們要兩年之後這個高鐵20週年的時候我想新車才能夠正式加入營運\n\n16\n00:05:30,717 --> 00:05:46,296\n那在這裡跟大家這個承諾我們會盡一切的努力來確保它如期如止的上路來解決整體的需求那在這兩年當中事實上高鐵已經採取非常多的措施來疏散來疏解這個五六日的這個尖峰\n\n17\n00:05:47,057 --> 00:06:06,951\n那除了說在車站配合部長的指示我們有這個前進指揮所來針對特別尖峰的時刻這個人潮的這個規劃引導之外事實上我們也希望說能夠把這個乘車能夠均化能夠不要大家全部都集中在同一個時刻而且我們機動性的加班事實上都一直在進行\n\n18\n00:06:07,831 --> 00:06:19,851\n所以我想這個近期採取這些措施之後事實上在幾個關鍵的時刻點尤其是禮拜五的下班時間事實上人潮確實是我們還是近期可能讓大家返鄉\n\n19\n00:06:20,794 --> 00:06:42,983\n好那我想另外針對這個我們新幹線這個周邊他們整個這個商業發展非常的旺盛那也帶動了很多的這個產業經濟那董事長針對你的想法我們現在高鐵那麼多的站體那因為一般都放在比較偏僻的地方那未來怎麼樣藉由這個軌道經濟能夠帶動一個經濟的發展產業的發展董事長有沒有什麼想法\n\n20\n00:06:47,446 --> 00:07:10,513\n是我想這不完全是高鐵的權責不過跟高鐵有相關我想整個TOD廠站的開發其實對於高鐵能夠均衡台灣尤其是在比較非渡會區是一個非常重要的課題那我想除了既有高鐵跟大家廠商之間的對接我們會來努力我想在好幾個站體我們其實都有連通道的計畫我想這個部分我們會強化來進行\n\n21\n00:07:11,713 --> 00:07:30,731\n董事長我想我們現在很多的觀光業者他們也期待搭上你們高鐵駕騎的列車啦是這部分能不能有效的再結合更多的業者能夠讓更多的業者能夠這個大家是一個一條龍的一個呃旅遊服務嗎是怎麼樣能夠增加特別提示之後我們也特別會回來再進行檢討我想\n\n22\n00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:46,888\n我們平日的這個搭乘率大概是六成左右我們希望能夠把平日的這個搭乘率的空缺跟這個高鐵假期以及各方面的聯票再強化有些優化時段跟優化的票價應該可以再重新調整過一下我們會來檢討\n\n23\n00:07:48,990 --> 00:08:13,435\n除了高鐵假期之外台鐵假期也是未來必須要發展的所以如果您有旅行業者的好朋友可以的話未來也跟台鐵來做這方面的結合非常多啦但是他們都說我們的條件太嚴苛了是不是能夠稍微來開放一下讓更多的業者可以來加入我想雙鐵都會努力來配合所有的觀光業者好那我想最後請教鄭董事長\n\n24\n00:08:15,107 --> 00:08:36,660\n我們在今年的1月25號我們發了一個新聞稿針對這個我們EMU3000型的這個座椅的優化的部分我們經過了這個全台五個車站的巡迴試坐已經票選出這個優化1的部分那這個案子目前的進度什麼時候可以全面更新完成\n\n25\n00:08:39,915 --> 00:09:06,191\n我們在第一邊組啊那因為在今年年底前完成然後我們再經過兩個月的這個試程啊然後我們如果大家都覺得OK的話那我們就會全面性的把它再按照所以還要再測試一次是的我們還要看因為主要就是大家這個對這個是不是足夠符合這個舒適啊那我們還是要看實際上的狀況來說\n\n26\n00:09:09,493 --> 00:09:22,302\n董事長但是我看你們的新聞稿裡面包含你們這個所有的票選的結果甚至你們還感謝鄉親這個還有抽獎譬如說這個案子已經完成啊為什麼還會有這樣的狀況呢\n\n27\n00:09:23,510 --> 00:09:50,180\n我們基本上這個是第一邊組我們希望是按照這個票選的結果來做但是我們還是給自己一個空間說經過兩個月的這個試程以後是不是確實是達到當時預期的這個效果那我想我們還是尊重旅客經濟旅客然後我們再開始來進行董事長我知道我聽說過去我們台鐵這邊有一個叫做美學小組是\n\n28\n00:09:52,403 --> 00:10:17,918\n聽說這個議案美學小組給了很多的意見這個意見到底是好或不好董事長你個人認為呢我想這部分也是這幾天我跟大家在檢討那美學小組我個人感覺就是說可能他從美學的角度但是他有沒有考慮到人體工學這個是一個我們要在這一次裡面確實的把它把兩者能夠做一個平衡\n\n29\n00:10:19,663 --> 00:10:44,323\n我想我們都尊重專業啦董事長我想你也是這個心態過去你在高鐵服務的時候我想帶動了一個整個高鐵的一個好的一個文化那石董事長就這樣順著腳嘛未來繼續做一些好的改革那一樣我相信杜董事長在卸任之前做了這個改革之後我們也期待這個這進度要加快啦不然我們鄉親不是坐著醫院也沒得鬆開啦\n\n30\n00:10:45,744 --> 00:11:07,964\n應該要把這個時程再提早趕快進行來完成啦既然我們都已經走到這個階段呢應該是要趕快接著進行下去啦還有什麼特別的考量好我們按照這個努力的看能不能把這個第一組的編程看能不能提前來完成然後整個確實這個全面的推動的話也能夠把它提早完成這樣\n\n31\n00:11:09,057 --> 00:11:33,691\n對然後另外我還要提一個剛剛我跟那個我們王宜春委員在說我們在找的插頭的問題也很痛苦那個插座真的必須要再調整過啦美學小組思考的點是站在這個整個美觀人體工學的考量但是有實用嗎真的要去思考一下不能照單全收啦是這一次這個會把這個插頭的問題在這一次一起考慮在內\n\n32\n00:11:34,935 --> 00:11:42,827\n我想我們要提供一個安全舒適的環境這也是大家一起要努力的目標那這部分也拜託部長督促一下加快進行謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4322\t32097\t謝謝主席 有請我們陳部長來 陳部長委員好部長早部長我想我們先來關心一個時事題是之前部長有跟 特別跟我們國防部的顧部長是有提到7月1號之後我們軍人搭機的部分能夠有優先的一個登機的禮遇是 沒錯\n32757\t59814\t那軍券列為下一個研議的對象有這個方案嗎我們目前正在研議當中我們也參考美國的案例他們的這個軍件軍券可以帶一位軍券可以帶一位軍券那這個部分我們也是在跟國防部討論要如何去認定因為這個認定蠻重要的要確認真的他是軍券那目前所聽起來國防部他們會有這方面的識別的系統那如果有的話其實這個部分我們就可以來進行好\n60534\t80380\t部長我想我們也要提到一個比較謹慎的國安問題因為我想最近我們也看到很多中共不斷滲透我們的退役軍人也好 限職軍人也好我們這樣子的一個機制當然這個是對我們軍人的一個禮遇但是會不會變成這樣子的一個情質資訊\n82180\t98965\t會被他們竊取之後變成另外一個被滲透的一個對象我們有沒有考慮過這個點報告委員這個部分我們跟國防部討論的過程當中有討論過也理解說這個部分其實很重要第一軍人的身份不要被別人掌握這個很重要\n99665\t125562\t那第二飛機上到底有多少軍人這個也不要被掌握那這個部分呢其實我們有跟國防部討論過之後我們到時候的識別的模式對於軍人來講他只要拿出他的識別證我們的人員有看到就好但我們不會做登記或者是登錄因為你登記或登錄他的身份可能就顯露出來那這個部分我們會特別注意所以針對他的個資的部分我們也會特別注意所以這個部分請委員放心\n125922\t150251\t對部長說我想這部分我們還是必須跟國防部來做審慎的一個演繹這是一個利益良善的一個制度但是我們也擔心變成被滲透的一個管道這要特別注意一下是所以我們在飛機上也不會特別註記說哪個位置是軍人這個註記的部分不會做只是看他的識別證就可以了好謝謝那我們再接著我們再請台鐵政董事長還有高鐵司董事長謝謝\n158462\t173991\t那個鄭董事長還有石董事長來兩位董事長恭喜我們都就任了那我想這個鐵道運輸是我們現在目前我們台灣的我們的鄉親這個通勤很重要的一個命脈也是包含旅遊跟經濟發展的一個命脈\n174711\t193210\t那因為我們立法院之前三讀通過的一個身心障礙權益保障法我們未來會把公共運輸的博愛座改更為優先席並將這個老弱婦孺的部分修正為身心障礙者還有其他有需要的那兩位董事長\n194131\t211655\t我們後續針對我們車廂的一個設施我們預估要花多少時間 多少經費來做改善可以請兩個董事長說明一下嗎是 跟委員報告我們新車的部分其實我們已經把這個已經改成優先洗了那舊的車子的話我們馬上來按照這個現在訂的方式來做要開落過的時間\n219537\t230639\t我們今年年底前可以把這個工作做好年底了那高鐵部分董事長我們一旦這個細部的這個圖案跟標示統一公布之後我們隨即會配合來辦理\n231641\t249373\t所以我們一樣都會加快來配合辦理那部長那除了高鐵跟台鐵之外那客運的部分也有這樣一個問題存在那客運的部分有沒有同步要做處理報告委員當然啦就是大家一體適用我們等這個立法院的這個立法過程三讀通過完之後\n250173\t268909\t那該配合的執法交通部會來配合因為像在立法院這個是未還委員會他們那邊的他們負責的啦那不是在我們交委會但執法的修訂我們交通部會來配合那當交通部的這個執法修訂完成之後各個運具系統大家就會來配合修訂\n269878\t286783\t因為我們也擔心之前為了這個搶博愛做也發生很多的這個斟酌的一個狀況我們也擔心未來也必須要把這個制度應該說清楚講明白不然大家為了衝一個圍把人造成一些治安的問題也不好那這部分再麻煩我們再掌握一下狀況\n288524\t315175\t那我想那個高鐵董事長這個石董事長過去人家都把你額額頂指望但是我們現在看到這個高鐵還是有一些的問題發生董事長這個先每到週末禮拜五或是連假高鐵一票難求這個甚至人家說比演唱會的票更難買啦針對這樣的一個狀況你上任之後有沒有什麼樣的一個革新或是經濟的一個做法\n315635\t329816\t是 我想對我們跟你們一樣都是南部出身的會感受特別深那我也必須承認這個未來兩年是一個必須共體時間的時刻因為我們要兩年之後這個高鐵20週年的時候我想新車才能夠正式加入營運\n330717\t346296\t那在這裡跟大家這個承諾我們會盡一切的努力來確保它如期如止的上路來解決整體的需求那在這兩年當中事實上高鐵已經採取非常多的措施來疏散來疏解這個五六日的這個尖峰\n347057\t366951\t那除了說在車站配合部長的指示我們有這個前進指揮所來針對特別尖峰的時刻這個人潮的這個規劃引導之外事實上我們也希望說能夠把這個乘車能夠均化能夠不要大家全部都集中在同一個時刻而且我們機動性的加班事實上都一直在進行\n367831\t379851\t所以我想這個近期採取這些措施之後事實上在幾個關鍵的時刻點尤其是禮拜五的下班時間事實上人潮確實是我們還是近期可能讓大家返鄉\n380794\t402983\t好 那我想另外針對這個我們新幹線這個周邊他們整個這個商業發展非常的旺盛那也帶動了很多的這個產業經濟那董事長 針對你的想法我們現在高鐵那麼多的站體那因為一般都放在比較偏僻的地方那未來怎麼樣藉由這個軌道經濟能夠帶動一個經濟的發展 產業的發展董事長有沒有什麼想法\n407446\t430513\t是我想這不完全是高鐵的權責不過跟高鐵有相關我想整個TOD廠站的開發其實對於高鐵能夠均衡台灣尤其是在比較非渡會區是一個非常重要的課題那我想除了既有高鐵跟大家廠商之間的對接我們會來努力我想在好幾個站體我們其實都有連通道的計畫我想這個部分我們會強化來進行\n431713\t450731\t董事長我想我們現在很多的觀光業者他們也期待搭上你們高鐵駕騎的列車啦是這部分能不能有效的再結合更多的業者能夠讓更多的業者能夠這個大家是一個一條龍的一個呃旅遊服務嗎是怎麼樣能夠增加特別提示之後我們也特別會回來再進行檢討我想\n453153\t466888\t我們平日的這個搭乘率大概是六成左右我們希望能夠把平日的這個搭乘率的空缺跟這個高鐵假期以及各方面的聯票再強化有些優化時段跟優化的票價應該可以再重新調整過一下我們會來檢討\n468990\t493435\t除了高鐵假期之外台鐵假期也是未來必須要發展的所以如果您有旅行業者的好朋友可以的話未來也跟台鐵來做這方面的結合非常多啦 但是他們都說我們的條件太嚴苛了是不是能夠稍微來開放一下讓更多的業者可以來加入我想雙鐵都會努力來配合所有的觀光業者好 那我想最後請教鄭董事長\n495107\t516660\t我們在今年的1月25號我們發了一個新聞稿針對這個我們EMU3000型的這個座椅的優化的部分我們經過了這個全台五個車站的巡迴試坐已經票選出這個優化1的部分那這個案子目前的進度什麼時候可以全面更新完成\n519915\t546191\t我們在第一邊組啊那因為在今年年底前完成然後我們再經過兩個月的這個試程啊然後我們如果大家都覺得OK的話那我們就會全面性的把它再按照所以還要再測試一次是的我們還要看因為主要就是大家這個對這個是不是足夠符合這個舒適啊那我們還是要看實際上的狀況來說\n549493\t562302\t董事長但是我看你們的新聞稿裡面包含你們這個所有的票選的結果甚至你們還感謝鄉親這個還有抽獎譬如說這個案子已經完成啊為什麼還會有這樣的狀況呢\n563510\t590180\t我們基本上這個是第一邊組我們希望是按照這個票選的結果來做但是我們還是給自己一個空間說經過兩個月的這個試程以後是不是確實是達到當時預期的這個效果那我想我們還是尊重旅客經濟旅客然後我們再開始來進行董事長我知道我聽說過去我們台鐵這邊有一個叫做美學小組是\n592403\t617918\t聽說這個議案美學小組給了很多的意見這個意見到底是好或不好董事長你個人認為呢我想這部分也是這幾天我跟大家在檢討那美學小組我個人感覺就是說可能他從美學的角度但是他有沒有考慮到人體工學這個是一個我們要在這一次裡面確實的把它把兩者能夠做一個平衡\n619663\t644323\t我想我們都尊重專業啦 董事長 我想你也是這個心態過去你在高鐵服務的時候 我想帶動了一個整個高鐵的一個好的一個文化那石董事長就這樣順著腳嘛 未來繼續做一些好的改革那一樣 我相信杜董事長在卸任之前做了這個改革之後我們也期待這個 這進度要加快啦不然我們鄉親不是坐著醫院也沒得鬆開啦\n645744\t667964\t應該要把這個時程再提早趕快進行來完成啦既然我們都已經走到這個階段呢應該是要趕快接著進行下去啦還有什麼特別的考量好我們按照這個努力的看能不能把這個第一組的編程看能不能提前來完成然後整個確實這個全面的推動的話也能夠把它提早完成這樣\n669057\t693691\t對 然後另外我還要提一個 剛剛我跟那個我們王宜春委員在說我們在找的插頭的問題也很痛苦那個插座真的必須要再調整過啦美學小組思考的點是站在這個整個美觀人體工學的考量但是有實用嗎 真的要去思考一下不能照單全收啦是 這一次這個會把這個插頭的問題在這一次一起考慮在內\n694935\t702827\t我想我們要提供一個安全舒適的環境這也是大家一起要努力的目標那這部分也拜託部長督促一下加快進行謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們陳部長來 陳部長委員好部長早部長我想我們先來關心一個時事題是之前部長有跟 特別跟我們國防部的顧部長是有提到7月1號之後我們軍人搭機的部分能夠有優先的一個登機的禮遇是 沒錯\n那軍券列為下一個研議的對象有這個方案嗎我們目前正在研議當中我們也參考美國的案例他們的這個軍件軍券可以帶一位軍券可以帶一位軍券那這個部分我們也是在跟國防部討論要如何去認定因為這個認定蠻重要的要確認真的他是軍券那目前所聽起來國防部他們會有這方面的識別的系統那如果有的話其實這個部分我們就可以來進行好\n部長我想我們也要提到一個比較謹慎的國安問題因為我想最近我們也看到很多中共不斷滲透我們的退役軍人也好 限職軍人也好我們這樣子的一個機制當然這個是對我們軍人的一個禮遇但是會不會變成這樣子的一個情質資訊\n會被他們竊取之後變成另外一個被滲透的一個對象我們有沒有考慮過這個點報告委員這個部分我們跟國防部討論的過程當中有討論過也理解說這個部分其實很重要第一軍人的身份不要被別人掌握這個很重要\n那第二飛機上到底有多少軍人這個也不要被掌握那這個部分呢其實我們有跟國防部討論過之後我們到時候的識別的模式對於軍人來講他只要拿出他的識別證我們的人員有看到就好但我們不會做登記或者是登錄因為你登記或登錄他的身份可能就顯露出來那這個部分我們會特別注意所以針對他的個資的部分我們也會特別注意所以這個部分請委員放心\n對部長說我想這部分我們還是必須跟國防部來做審慎的一個演繹這是一個利益良善的一個制度但是我們也擔心變成被滲透的一個管道這要特別注意一下是所以我們在飛機上也不會特別註記說哪個位置是軍人這個註記的部分不會做只是看他的識別證就可以了好謝謝那我們再接著我們再請台鐵政董事長還有高鐵司董事長謝謝\n那個鄭董事長還有石董事長來兩位董事長恭喜我們都就任了那我想這個鐵道運輸是我們現在目前我們台灣的我們的鄉親這個通勤很重要的一個命脈也是包含旅遊跟經濟發展的一個命脈\n那因為我們立法院之前三讀通過的一個身心障礙權益保障法我們未來會把公共運輸的博愛座改更為優先席並將這個老弱婦孺的部分修正為身心障礙者還有其他有需要的那兩位董事長\n我們後續針對我們車廂的一個設施我們預估要花多少時間 多少經費來做改善可以請兩個董事長說明一下嗎是 跟委員報告我們新車的部分其實我們已經把這個已經改成優先洗了那舊的車子的話我們馬上來按照這個現在訂的方式來做要開落過的時間\n我們今年年底前可以把這個工作做好年底了那高鐵部分董事長我們一旦這個細部的這個圖案跟標示統一公布之後我們隨即會配合來辦理\n所以我們一樣都會加快來配合辦理那部長那除了高鐵跟台鐵之外那客運的部分也有這樣一個問題存在那客運的部分有沒有同步要做處理報告委員當然啦就是大家一體適用我們等這個立法院的這個立法過程三讀通過完之後\n那該配合的執法交通部會來配合因為像在立法院這個是未還委員會他們那邊的他們負責的啦那不是在我們交委會但執法的修訂我們交通部會來配合那當交通部的這個執法修訂完成之後各個運具系統大家就會來配合修訂\n因為我們也擔心之前為了這個搶博愛做也發生很多的這個斟酌的一個狀況我們也擔心未來也必須要把這個制度應該說清楚講明白不然大家為了衝一個圍把人造成一些治安的問題也不好那這部分再麻煩我們再掌握一下狀況\n那我想那個高鐵董事長這個石董事長過去人家都把你額額頂指望但是我們現在看到這個高鐵還是有一些的問題發生董事長這個先每到週末禮拜五或是連假高鐵一票難求這個甚至人家說比演唱會的票更難買啦針對這樣的一個狀況你上任之後有沒有什麼樣的一個革新或是經濟的一個做法\n是 我想對我們跟你們一樣都是南部出身的會感受特別深那我也必須承認這個未來兩年是一個必須共體時間的時刻因為我們要兩年之後這個高鐵20週年的時候我想新車才能夠正式加入營運\n那在這裡跟大家這個承諾我們會盡一切的努力來確保它如期如止的上路來解決整體的需求那在這兩年當中事實上高鐵已經採取非常多的措施來疏散來疏解這個五六日的這個尖峰\n那除了說在車站配合部長的指示我們有這個前進指揮所來針對特別尖峰的時刻這個人潮的這個規劃引導之外事實上我們也希望說能夠把這個乘車能夠均化能夠不要大家全部都集中在同一個時刻而且我們機動性的加班事實上都一直在進行\n所以我想這個近期採取這些措施之後事實上在幾個關鍵的時刻點尤其是禮拜五的下班時間事實上人潮確實是我們還是近期可能讓大家返鄉\n好 那我想另外針對這個我們新幹線這個周邊他們整個這個商業發展非常的旺盛那也帶動了很多的這個產業經濟那董事長 針對你的想法我們現在高鐵那麼多的站體那因為一般都放在比較偏僻的地方那未來怎麼樣藉由這個軌道經濟能夠帶動一個經濟的發展 產業的發展董事長有沒有什麼想法\n是我想這不完全是高鐵的權責不過跟高鐵有相關我想整個TOD廠站的開發其實對於高鐵能夠均衡台灣尤其是在比較非渡會區是一個非常重要的課題那我想除了既有高鐵跟大家廠商之間的對接我們會來努力我想在好幾個站體我們其實都有連通道的計畫我想這個部分我們會強化來進行\n董事長我想我們現在很多的觀光業者他們也期待搭上你們高鐵駕騎的列車啦是這部分能不能有效的再結合更多的業者能夠讓更多的業者能夠這個大家是一個一條龍的一個呃旅遊服務嗎是怎麼樣能夠增加特別提示之後我們也特別會回來再進行檢討我想\n我們平日的這個搭乘率大概是六成左右我們希望能夠把平日的這個搭乘率的空缺跟這個高鐵假期以及各方面的聯票再強化有些優化時段跟優化的票價應該可以再重新調整過一下我們會來檢討\n除了高鐵假期之外台鐵假期也是未來必須要發展的所以如果您有旅行業者的好朋友可以的話未來也跟台鐵來做這方面的結合非常多啦 但是他們都說我們的條件太嚴苛了是不是能夠稍微來開放一下讓更多的業者可以來加入我想雙鐵都會努力來配合所有的觀光業者好 那我想最後請教鄭董事長\n我們在今年的1月25號我們發了一個新聞稿針對這個我們EMU3000型的這個座椅的優化的部分我們經過了這個全台五個車站的巡迴試坐已經票選出這個優化1的部分那這個案子目前的進度什麼時候可以全面更新完成\n我們在第一邊組啊那因為在今年年底前完成然後我們再經過兩個月的這個試程啊然後我們如果大家都覺得OK的話那我們就會全面性的把它再按照所以還要再測試一次是的我們還要看因為主要就是大家這個對這個是不是足夠符合這個舒適啊那我們還是要看實際上的狀況來說\n董事長但是我看你們的新聞稿裡面包含你們這個所有的票選的結果甚至你們還感謝鄉親這個還有抽獎譬如說這個案子已經完成啊為什麼還會有這樣的狀況呢\n我們基本上這個是第一邊組我們希望是按照這個票選的結果來做但是我們還是給自己一個空間說經過兩個月的這個試程以後是不是確實是達到當時預期的這個效果那我想我們還是尊重旅客經濟旅客然後我們再開始來進行董事長我知道我聽說過去我們台鐵這邊有一個叫做美學小組是\n聽說這個議案美學小組給了很多的意見這個意見到底是好或不好董事長你個人認為呢我想這部分也是這幾天我跟大家在檢討那美學小組我個人感覺就是說可能他從美學的角度但是他有沒有考慮到人體工學這個是一個我們要在這一次裡面確實的把它把兩者能夠做一個平衡\n我想我們都尊重專業啦 董事長 我想你也是這個心態過去你在高鐵服務的時候 我想帶動了一個整個高鐵的一個好的一個文化那石董事長就這樣順著腳嘛 未來繼續做一些好的改革那一樣 我相信杜董事長在卸任之前做了這個改革之後我們也期待這個 這進度要加快啦不然我們鄉親不是坐著醫院也沒得鬆開啦\n應該要把這個時程再提早趕快進行來完成啦既然我們都已經走到這個階段呢應該是要趕快接著進行下去啦還有什麼特別的考量好我們按照這個努力的看能不能把這個第一組的編程看能不能提前來完成然後整個確實這個全面的推動的話也能夠把它提早完成這樣\n對 然後另外我還要提一個 剛剛我跟那個我們王宜春委員在說我們在找的插頭的問題也很痛苦那個插座真的必須要再調整過啦美學小組思考的點是站在這個整個美觀人體工學的考量但是有實用嗎 真的要去思考一下不能照單全收啦是 這一次這個會把這個插頭的問題在這一次一起考慮在內\n我想我們要提供一個安全舒適的環境這也是大家一起要努力的目標那這部分也拜託部長督促一下加快進行謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.322 --> 00:32.097\n謝謝主席有請我們陳部長來陳部長委員好部長早部長我想我們先來關心一個時事題是之前部長有跟特別跟我們國防部的顧部長是有提到7月1號之後我們軍人搭機的部分能夠有優先的一個登機的禮遇是沒錯\n\n00:32.757 --> 00:59.814\n那軍券列為下一個研議的對象有這個方案嗎我們目前正在研議當中我們也參考美國的案例他們的這個軍件軍券可以帶一位軍券可以帶一位軍券那這個部分我們也是在跟國防部討論要如何去認定因為這個認定蠻重要的要確認真的他是軍券那目前所聽起來國防部他們會有這方面的識別的系統那如果有的話其實這個部分我們就可以來進行好\n\n01:00.534 --> 01:20.380\n部長我想我們也要提到一個比較謹慎的國安問題因為我想最近我們也看到很多中共不斷滲透我們的退役軍人也好限職軍人也好我們這樣子的一個機制當然這個是對我們軍人的一個禮遇但是會不會變成這樣子的一個情質資訊\n\n01:22.180 --> 01:38.965\n會被他們竊取之後變成另外一個被滲透的一個對象我們有沒有考慮過這個點報告委員這個部分我們跟國防部討論的過程當中有討論過也理解說這個部分其實很重要第一軍人的身份不要被別人掌握這個很重要\n\n01:39.665 --> 02:05.562\n那第二飛機上到底有多少軍人這個也不要被掌握那這個部分呢其實我們有跟國防部討論過之後我們到時候的識別的模式對於軍人來講他只要拿出他的識別證我們的人員有看到就好但我們不會做登記或者是登錄因為你登記或登錄他的身份可能就顯露出來那這個部分我們會特別注意所以針對他的個資的部分我們也會特別注意所以這個部分請委員放心\n\n02:05.922 --> 02:30.251\n對部長說我想這部分我們還是必須跟國防部來做審慎的一個演繹這是一個利益良善的一個制度但是我們也擔心變成被滲透的一個管道這要特別注意一下是所以我們在飛機上也不會特別註記說哪個位置是軍人這個註記的部分不會做只是看他的識別證就可以了好謝謝那我們再接著我們再請台鐵政董事長還有高鐵司董事長謝謝\n\n02:38.462 --> 02:53.991\n那個鄭董事長還有石董事長來兩位董事長恭喜我們都就任了那我想這個鐵道運輸是我們現在目前我們台灣的我們的鄉親這個通勤很重要的一個命脈也是包含旅遊跟經濟發展的一個命脈\n\n02:54.711 --> 03:13.210\n那因為我們立法院之前三讀通過的一個身心障礙權益保障法我們未來會把公共運輸的博愛座改更為優先席並將這個老弱婦孺的部分修正為身心障礙者還有其他有需要的那兩位董事長\n\n03:14.131 --> 03:31.655\n我們後續針對我們車廂的一個設施我們預估要花多少時間多少經費來做改善可以請兩個董事長說明一下嗎是跟委員報告我們新車的部分其實我們已經把這個已經改成優先洗了那舊的車子的話我們馬上來按照這個現在訂的方式來做要開落過的時間\n\n03:39.537 --> 03:50.639\n我們今年年底前可以把這個工作做好年底了那高鐵部分董事長我們一旦這個細部的這個圖案跟標示統一公布之後我們隨即會配合來辦理\n\n03:51.641 --> 04:09.373\n所以我們一樣都會加快來配合辦理那部長那除了高鐵跟台鐵之外那客運的部分也有這樣一個問題存在那客運的部分有沒有同步要做處理報告委員當然啦就是大家一體適用我們等這個立法院的這個立法過程三讀通過完之後\n\n04:10.173 --> 04:28.909\n那該配合的執法交通部會來配合因為像在立法院這個是未還委員會他們那邊的他們負責的啦那不是在我們交委會但執法的修訂我們交通部會來配合那當交通部的這個執法修訂完成之後各個運具系統大家就會來配合修訂\n\n04:29.878 --> 04:46.783\n因為我們也擔心之前為了這個搶博愛做也發生很多的這個斟酌的一個狀況我們也擔心未來也必須要把這個制度應該說清楚講明白不然大家為了衝一個圍把人造成一些治安的問題也不好那這部分再麻煩我們再掌握一下狀況\n\n04:48.524 --> 05:15.175\n那我想那個高鐵董事長這個石董事長過去人家都把你額額頂指望但是我們現在看到這個高鐵還是有一些的問題發生董事長這個先每到週末禮拜五或是連假高鐵一票難求這個甚至人家說比演唱會的票更難買啦針對這樣的一個狀況你上任之後有沒有什麼樣的一個革新或是經濟的一個做法\n\n05:15.635 --> 05:29.816\n是我想對我們跟你們一樣都是南部出身的會感受特別深那我也必須承認這個未來兩年是一個必須共體時間的時刻因為我們要兩年之後這個高鐵20週年的時候我想新車才能夠正式加入營運\n\n05:30.717 --> 05:46.296\n那在這裡跟大家這個承諾我們會盡一切的努力來確保它如期如止的上路來解決整體的需求那在這兩年當中事實上高鐵已經採取非常多的措施來疏散來疏解這個五六日的這個尖峰\n\n05:47.057 --> 06:06.951\n那除了說在車站配合部長的指示我們有這個前進指揮所來針對特別尖峰的時刻這個人潮的這個規劃引導之外事實上我們也希望說能夠把這個乘車能夠均化能夠不要大家全部都集中在同一個時刻而且我們機動性的加班事實上都一直在進行\n\n06:07.831 --> 06:19.851\n所以我想這個近期採取這些措施之後事實上在幾個關鍵的時刻點尤其是禮拜五的下班時間事實上人潮確實是我們還是近期可能讓大家返鄉\n\n06:20.794 --> 06:42.983\n好那我想另外針對這個我們新幹線這個周邊他們整個這個商業發展非常的旺盛那也帶動了很多的這個產業經濟那董事長針對你的想法我們現在高鐵那麼多的站體那因為一般都放在比較偏僻的地方那未來怎麼樣藉由這個軌道經濟能夠帶動一個經濟的發展產業的發展董事長有沒有什麼想法\n\n06:47.446 --> 07:10.513\n是我想這不完全是高鐵的權責不過跟高鐵有相關我想整個TOD廠站的開發其實對於高鐵能夠均衡台灣尤其是在比較非渡會區是一個非常重要的課題那我想除了既有高鐵跟大家廠商之間的對接我們會來努力我想在好幾個站體我們其實都有連通道的計畫我想這個部分我們會強化來進行\n\n07:11.713 --> 07:30.731\n董事長我想我們現在很多的觀光業者他們也期待搭上你們高鐵駕騎的列車啦是這部分能不能有效的再結合更多的業者能夠讓更多的業者能夠這個大家是一個一條龍的一個呃旅遊服務嗎是怎麼樣能夠增加特別提示之後我們也特別會回來再進行檢討我想\n\n07:33.153 --> 07:46.888\n我們平日的這個搭乘率大概是六成左右我們希望能夠把平日的這個搭乘率的空缺跟這個高鐵假期以及各方面的聯票再強化有些優化時段跟優化的票價應該可以再重新調整過一下我們會來檢討\n\n07:48.990 --> 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