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00:03:20,576\n所以基於這樣的情況之後我們當然還是在觀察就是每天變化太大所以我們現在已經是有應變小組成立了每天晚上會收集所有的語情然後應變隔天可能會面臨的狀況還有我們會觀察我們有多少的存量\n\n10\n00:03:21,636 --> 00:03:37,814\n有哪一些量是在船上的現在正在運輸的這個當中我們基於這樣的情況啊來衡量我們可能會碰到的一些變異的情況然後第二個呢我想我們中油跟中油啊\n\n11\n00:03:38,214 --> 00:03:51,611\n都有跟我們比較友好的購買的這個對象譬如說澳洲也好美國也好我們也說萬一有狀況的時候我們可能會先要求他先把現貨撥一點給我們這個我們都有模擬\n\n12\n00:03:54,554 --> 00:04:23,524\n有模擬有沒有對接了都有對接了模擬跟對接是不一樣喔所以我們已經有跟這些可能可以提早把這些存量給我們的有做了第一時間的對接了是不是所以我們也把我們所有在船上的整個目前在原油可以預期我們的存量都已經評估過了我問一下部長\n\n13\n00:04:24,164 --> 00:04:53,091\n是那麼依照現在不論是我們自己國內的存量或是在海上的存量還在海當中要進到我們台灣國內的這些我們預估我們有多少的一個這個所謂可控期我們到目前的狀況就是說到我們最新的狀況都還在可控制的這個情況之內都還在可控制的情況之內我們目前大概\n\n14\n00:04:54,639 --> 00:05:20,902\n根據國內的法規我們油存量大概會按照法規的量在保持油跟氣都是一樣那你預估依照我們現在所有周邊的我不讓你說多少存量因為這會牽扯到我們國家能源的機密所以說我們預期我們這個部分因為我們要讓我們的國民有信心\n\n15\n00:05:21,582 --> 00:05:50,794\n就這些可控大家放心我們可以控制到哪一個時間如果真正的發生到我們120美元或是130美元140美元的部分我們還有我們自己可以來協助做調整的一個機制我想這個包括到這些這個穩定民生物價任性的問題我們都有考慮進去是那多久\n\n16\n00:05:51,889 --> 00:06:20,208\n沒有問題你在這個過程當中因為我們也知道我們比預計的國安的量還要多就是說我們比目前我們每一次一定要要求一些國安存量來調解整個國家所面臨的緊急狀況我們比目前我們法規當中所要求的存量還要多\n\n17\n00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:40,176\n所以這很重要因為我們要讓民眾有信心否則現在大家看到媒體在報以一的衝突那當然我們也看到美國川普總統也在處理以一的衝突事件也在穩定那我們希望趕快\n\n18\n00:06:41,636 --> 00:07:01,981\n去做好調停不要把它變成是全球的問題因為畢竟這個荷姆茲海峽它有一個非常關鍵的就是剛好所有的原油都要幾乎都要經過這樣的一個海峽的管控所以封鎖之後確實有它的能源危機\n\n19\n00:07:03,021 --> 00:07:23,615\n所以這部分我相信我們兩邊進行當然這個調節性的部分我們一定要進到能源的調節而且讓民眾沒有擔憂那第二個部分就是說我最近其實我們在做地方的中小企業跟企業的一個訪問的時候就發現一個問題就是因為我們的幣值的問題\n\n20\n00:07:31,584 --> 00:07:51,247\n我們新台幣持續在升值大家會擔心因為不敢接訂單不敢接訂單部長因為你從企業界過來的你很清楚因為接一張訂單有可能也因為整個匯率的問題而造成\n\n21\n00:07:53,061 --> 00:08:08,133\n給接一張給了一張所以現在大家不敢接在還沒有整個匯率穩定的狀態之下是不敢接的那麼部長我們怎麼去處理這些所謂的信心指數的問題是謝謝委員的質詢\n\n22\n00:08:12,137 --> 00:08:31,295\n我想我們我們台灣的企業確實中小企業對這個所謂的匯率的這個準備跟避險是比較弱那大的企業比較我們不擔心我們都跟他們溝通過了所以他們都有他們的避險機制那對這個小企業\n\n23\n00:08:33,777 --> 00:08:57,893\n跟微型企業我覺得這個是我們馬上碰到的所以在這個部分我們有兩個做法第一個做法就是說在短期裡面我們提供低利率貸款來降低它的營運成本減少它的資金的壓力第二個長期裡面我們協助它低碳化跟智慧化的轉型那麼進行深度節能跟太萬節能設備\n\n24\n00:09:00,234 --> 00:09:05,616\n這是回去的啊我現在說的是根本就不敢沒有不敢去接訂單啊他不敢去接訂單咧給他接一張給他撩一張咧他現在都沒訂單要不然有可能接了一張訂單之後因為匯率的調整\n\n25\n00:09:17,614 --> 00:09:32,005\n我們現在大概我剛才就講他可能目前沒有辦法穩定的接訂單那我們再盤出來大概有幾個產業可能會有這種現象那我們就針對這些現象來講我們來\n\n26\n00:09:36,987 --> 00:09:59,255\n協助他怎麼學習這個避險那譬如說我們強調他的這個庫存的管理啊提高財務運用的效率那來降低他的資金成本那短期沒有辦法接單並不代表他沒有辦法接單因為這個是他不敢接單不是不能接單是不敢接單是不敢接單因為現在我們新台幣升值1%他們的成本的定義愛料1.5%喔\n\n27\n00:10:06,078 --> 00:10:26,003\n不是報告委員我們現在是這樣子就是說它銷美國我們大家看過去觀察我們台灣的產業銷美國大概只有23%所以我們還有77%的這個市場是在美國以外的那因為這個匯率的問題並不是只有考慮到美國所以我們在整體怎麼樣子調節這個市場裡面所以你要怎麼幫它去轉\n\n28\n00:10:30,245 --> 00:10:48,361\n以大代小我们是以大代小因为这个转移市场还是美金报价所以对产商来讲是一样转移市场是一样所以最重要的是增加它的附加价值跟降低它的操作成本这个我们都现在都一直在进行\n\n29\n00:10:49,406 --> 00:11:06,381\n如何增加他的这个竞争力部长我今天会提这个问题就是我们当跟中小企业传统产业在座谈的时候其实目前才是他们最大的压力\n\n30\n00:11:07,199 --> 00:11:25,390\n因為不敢接訂單你即使不敢接訂單之後你後續你再幫他轉型再幫他做所謂的一個產值的增加也沒有用啊因為沒有訂單那接了訂單之後所擔心的就是因為你整個匯率我們去簽訂單的時候是依照這個價格\n\n31\n00:11:28,051 --> 00:11:51,480\n匯率的調整不能說我要依照匯率調整喔沒有對不對這個大家都清楚那我們其實台灣就是它中小企業跟傳統生意就是我們台灣很硬開放如果沒有這中小企業傳統生意我們今年不能走到今年這樣的一個經濟發展所以我們必須去看到他們現在所面臨的狀況\n\n32\n00:11:53,407 --> 00:12:07,826\n所以部長我今天會提出來是你們提的當然是協助他們去做轉型去做後續的可能殘職的增加可是你要看他們現在是連接單都不敢接單\n\n33\n00:12:08,447 --> 00:12:25,647\n我想這個是這樣子就是說他不敢接單我們會分析他什麼原因不敢接單對於我們來講我們是增強他的競爭力所以我們會降低他的成本從各個方面來幫助他降低成本增加他的經營的效益這樣子才讓他有這個競爭力\n\n34\n00:12:28,831 --> 00:12:48,524\n不管這個關稅啊或者是這個匯率的問題對他來講小公司最重要是他在供應鏈裡面他必須要進到這個供應鏈裡面所以我們會讓中型的企業我們現在整合我們現在整合喔譬如說買材料啦一樣的\n\n35\n00:12:51,306 --> 00:12:55,949\n叫我們的大企業要把我們的中小企業賣把我們的傳統企業賣我們不一定要消去國外把這個頂端我們變成我們國內來吸收我現在經濟部有20個法人機構都在進行AI的教學我們把這些小微企業整合起來通過譬如100斤收賣的材料\n\n36\n00:13:15,302 --> 00:13:39,031\n部長請問這些法人企業他的這些什麼時候可以跟我們說他到底做到哪裡了我們現在都有都在進行我們現在產發署技術師中小企業署我們三個署都每天在整合我知道啊你們很認真在做啊可是為什麼我們的中小企業跟傳統產業感受不到這才是問題啊\n\n37\n00:13:44,233 --> 00:14:03,399\n有有有所以其實部長你講的那一個才是重點喔我們台南都有在進行沒有有有我必須說部長我要感謝你把我們的台灣給我們台南給北京府給這我要跟你感謝你把它創了一個品牌真的是有在做可是\n\n38\n00:14:04,139 --> 00:14:13,782\n如果我們今天可以像部長所講的當我們大型企業中型企業可以跟我們的傳統產業我們的較輕盈的企業我們這裡的材料向我們致備我覺得你整合我覺得這個更重要所以這個部分我覺得這個效益應該把它帶出來\n\n39\n00:14:25,006 --> 00:14:51,101\n統購啦學術上叫統購一般的民間講法叫團購我們是發揮小型微型企業的材料團購由經濟部來協助他們所以部長你講這個我非常非常有亮點但是我們要怎麼做而且要多久因為這個東西是現階段真的可以幫助他們如果不敢接訂單的轉到我們自己本身所以我也相信我們現在因為\n\n40\n00:14:53,062 --> 00:15:15,312\n這個部長是從企業過來的所以你有很多不一樣的不會是很苛究的這個公務想法所以你講的這個部分我相信而且我覺得做得到把這個大企業他可以面對因為他可以把這所謂的會域然後做一個調整可是中小企業跟傳統產業在吸收的部分沒有那麼強\n\n41\n00:15:16,212 --> 00:15:23,896\n所以我們要怎麼處理就是透過這些所以拜託我們是不是可以一兩個月把這個計畫把這個問題沒有時間沒有壓力啊好不好一個月好不好報告我們可以馬上把這個計畫這個送給您做好\n\n42\n00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:41,686\n好我很期待我覺得這樣子才可以給中小企業說你不用去問嘛你不可以去接電話沒關係我們來接過來的電話要不然他們可能也都跟外國去採購那我們就跟我們自己國內的中小企業跟傳統產業採購拜託我覺得這個給我們一個很大的強心針再拜託部長再拜託我們相關的單位\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n29\t1770\t我想這段時間我們經濟部面臨很多的挑戰尤其最近又因為以疫衝突\n25034\t41559\t造成了我們整個能源的危機是不是會產生所以大家都很擔心如果荷姆茲海峽被封鎖了那麼我們中東原油\n42898\t59741\t要进到我们每一个国家不是只有台湾每一个国家其实都会受到影响总共全球有20%的原油30%的天然气都要经过荷姆兹海峡\n60751\t89960\t那麼我們台灣更不用說我們其實有很大的比例甚至還不只如此我們的整個仰賴進口能源的產業也可能會受影響部長我們有做了盤整嗎萬一萬一如果依照我們現在原油每桶是80美元\n91311\t93907\t那如果漲到100美元\n95972\t119657\t漲到120美元漲到140美元我們每一個階段我們要怎麼應對是 報告委員這個自從這個赫姆斯海峽有狀況以後經濟部有成了一個緊急對應小組那麼這裡面包括我們的國營事業包括我們能源署包括我們的這個\n121657\t142343\t中油、台電這些公司我們每一天在晚上所有的語情收受以後進入討論由我們賴建信次長來主持到現在我們已經進行了三天的模擬就剛才委員所指教的當布蘭特原油的價格來到80塊、100塊、130塊我們大概預估是到130塊\n147825\t177545\t那这个刚好这三天里面产生了一个非常大的变化我们在今天早上看到的布兰特原油的价格已经成这个最高的时候77.01块钱6月20号的收盘价变成今天早上是67.14这样的一个价格那么在我们也观察到未来会怎么样子那这个8月份交割的西德州中值原油每桶只有64.37元这个是一个trend\n178085\t200576\t所以基於這樣的情況之後我們當然還是在觀察就是每天變化太大所以我們現在已經是有應變小組成立了每天晚上會收集所有的語情然後應變隔天可能會面臨的狀況還有我們會觀察我們有多少的存量\n201636\t217814\t有哪一些量是在船上的現在正在運輸的這個當中我們基於這樣的情況啊來衡量我們可能會碰到的一些變異的情況然後第二個呢我想我們中油跟中油啊\n218214\t231611\t都有跟我們比較友好的購買的這個對象譬如說澳洲也好美國也好我們也說萬一有狀況的時候我們可能會先要求他先把現貨撥一點給我們這個我們都有模擬\n234554\t263524\t有模擬有沒有對接了都有對接了模擬跟對接是不一樣喔所以我們已經有跟這些可能可以提早把這些存量給我們的有做了第一時間的對接了是不是所以我們也把我們所有在船上的整個目前在原油可以預期我們的存量都已經評估過了我問一下部長\n264164\t293091\t是那麼依照現在不論是我們自己國內的存量或是在海上的存量還在海當中要進到我們台灣國內的這些我們預估我們有多少的一個這個所謂可控期我們到目前的狀況就是說到我們最新的狀況都還在可控制的這個情況之內都還在可控制的情況之內我們目前大概\n294639\t320902\t根據國內的法規我們油存量大概會按照法規的量在保持油跟氣都是一樣那你預估依照我們現在所有周邊的我不讓你說多少存量因為這會牽扯到我們國家能源的機密所以說我們預期我們這個部分因為我們要讓我們的國民有信心\n321582\t350794\t就這些可控大家放心我們可以控制到哪一個時間如果真正的發生到我們120美元或是130美元140美元的部分我們還有我們自己可以來協助做調整的一個機制我想這個包括到這些這個穩定民生物價任性的問題我們都有考慮進去是那多久\n351889\t380208\t沒有問題 你在這個過程當中因為我們也知道 我們比預計的國安的量還要多就是說我們比目前我們每一次一定要要求一些國安存量來調解整個國家所面臨的緊急狀況我們比目前我們法規當中所要求的存量還要多\n382469\t400176\t所以這很重要因為我們要讓民眾有信心否則現在大家看到媒體在報以一的衝突那當然我們也看到美國川普總統也在處理以一的衝突事件也在穩定那我們希望趕快\n401636\t421981\t去做好調停不要把它變成是全球的問題因為畢竟這個荷姆茲海峽它有一個非常關鍵的就是剛好所有的原油都要幾乎都要經過這樣的一個海峽的管控所以封鎖之後確實有它的能源危機\n423021\t443615\t所以這部分我相信我們兩邊進行當然這個調節性的部分我們一定要進到能源的調節而且讓民眾沒有擔憂那第二個部分就是說我最近其實我們在做地方的中小企業跟企業的一個訪問的時候就發現一個問題就是因為我們的幣值的問題\n451584\t471247\t我們新台幣持續在升值 大家會擔心因為不敢接訂單不敢接訂單部長因為你從企業界過來的 你很清楚因為接一張訂單有可能也因為整個匯率的問題而造成\n473061\t488133\t給接一張給了一張所以現在大家不敢接在還沒有整個匯率穩定的狀態之下是不敢接的那麼部長我們怎麼去處理這些所謂的信心指數的問題是謝謝委員的質詢\n492137\t511295\t我想我們我們台灣的企業確實中小企業對這個所謂的匯率的這個準備跟避險是比較弱那大的企業比較我們不擔心我們都跟他們溝通過了所以他們都有他們的避險機制那對這個小企業\n513777\t537893\t跟微型企業 我覺得這個是我們馬上碰到的所以在這個部分我們有兩個做法第一個做法就是說在短期裡面我們提供低利率貸款來降低它的營運成本減少它的資金的壓力第二個長期裡面我們協助它低碳化跟智慧化的轉型那麼進行深度節能跟太萬節能設備\n540234\t545616\t這是回去的啊 我現在說的是根本就不敢 沒有 不敢去接訂單啊他不敢去接訂單咧 給他接一張 給他撩一張咧他現在都沒訂單要不然有可能接了一張訂單之後因為匯率的調整\n557614\t572005\t我們現在大概我剛才就講他可能目前沒有辦法穩定的接訂單那我們再盤出來大概有幾個產業可能會有這種現象那我們就針對這些現象來講我們來\n576987\t599255\t協助他怎麼學習這個避險那譬如說我們強調他的這個庫存的管理啊提高財務運用的效率那來降低他的資金成本那短期沒有辦法接單並不代表他沒有辦法接單因為這個是他不敢接單不是不能接單是不敢接單是不敢接單因為現在我們新台幣升值1%他們的成本的定義愛料1.5%喔\n606078\t626003\t不是 報告委員我們現在是這樣子就是說它銷美國我們大家看過去觀察我們台灣的產業銷美國大概只有23%所以我們還有77%的這個市場是在美國以外的那因為這個匯率的問題並不是只有考慮到美國所以我們在整體怎麼樣子調節這個市場裡面所以你要怎麼幫它去轉\n630245\t648361\t以大代小我们是以大代小因为这个转移市场还是美金报价所以对产商来讲是一样转移市场是一样所以最重要的是增加它的附加价值跟降低它的操作成本这个我们都现在都一直在进行\n649406\t666381\t如何增加他的这个竞争力部长我今天会提这个问题就是我们当跟中小企业传统产业在座谈的时候其实目前才是他们最大的压力\n667199\t685390\t因為不敢接訂單你即使不敢接訂單之後你後續你再幫他轉型再幫他做所謂的一個產值的增加也沒有用啊因為沒有訂單那接了訂單之後所擔心的就是因為你整個匯率我們去簽訂單的時候是依照這個價格\n688051\t711480\t匯率的調整 不能說我要依照匯率調整喔 沒有 對不對這個大家都清楚 那我們其實台灣就是它中小企業跟傳統生意就是我們台灣很硬開放 如果沒有這中小企業傳統生意我們今年不能走到 今年這樣的一個經濟發展所以我們必須去看到他們現在所面臨的狀況\n713407\t727826\t所以部長我今天會提出來是你們提的當然是協助他們去做轉型去做後續的可能殘職的增加可是你要看他們現在是連接單都不敢接單\n728447\t745647\t我想這個是這樣子就是說他不敢接單我們會分析他什麼原因不敢接單對於我們來講我們是增強他的競爭力所以我們會降低他的成本從各個方面來幫助他降低成本增加他的經營的效益這樣子才讓他有這個競爭力\n748831\t768524\t不管這個關稅啊或者是這個匯率的問題對他來講小公司最重要是他在供應鏈裡面他必須要進到這個供應鏈裡面所以我們會讓中型的企業我們現在整合我們現在整合喔譬如說買材料啦 一樣的\n771306\t775949\t叫我們的大企業要把我們的中小企業賣 把我們的傳統企業賣我們不一定要消去國外 把這個頂端我們變成我們國內來吸收我現在經濟部有20個法人機構 都在進行AI的教學我們把這些小微企業整合起來 通過 譬如100斤收賣的材料\n795302\t819031\t部長請問這些法人企業他的這些什麼時候可以跟我們說他到底做到哪裡了我們現在都有都在進行我們現在產發署技術師中小企業署我們三個署都每天在整合我知道啊你們很認真在做啊可是為什麼我們的中小企業跟傳統產業感受不到這才是問題啊\n824233\t843399\t有有有所以其實部長你講的那一個才是重點喔我們台南都有在進行沒有有有我必須說部長我要感謝你把我們的台灣給我們台南給北京府給這我要跟你感謝你把它創了一個品牌真的是有在做可是\n844139\t853782\t如果我們今天可以像部長所講的 當我們大型企業 中型企業可以跟我們的傳統產業 我們的較輕盈的企業 我們這裡的材料向我們致備我覺得你整合 我覺得這個更重要所以這個部分我覺得這個效益應該把它帶出來\n865006\t891101\t統購啦學術上叫統購一般的民間講法叫團購我們是發揮小型微型企業的材料團購由經濟部來協助他們所以部長你講這個我非常非常有亮點但是我們要怎麼做而且要多久因為這個東西是現階段真的可以幫助他們如果不敢接訂單的轉到我們自己本身所以我也相信我們現在因為\n893062\t915312\t這個部長是從企業過來的所以你有很多不一樣的不會是很苛究的這個公務想法所以你講的這個部分我相信而且我覺得做得到把這個大企業他可以面對因為他可以把這所謂的會域然後做一個調整可是中小企業跟傳統產業在吸收的部分沒有那麼強\n916212\t923896\t所以我們要怎麼處理就是透過這些所以拜託我們是不是可以一兩個月把這個計畫把這個問題沒有時間沒有壓力啊好不好一個月好不好報告我們可以馬上把這個計畫這個送給您做好\n932560\t941686\t好 我很期待 我覺得這樣子才可以給中小企業說你不用去問嘛 你不可以去接電話 沒關係我們來接過來的電話要不然他們可能也都跟外國去採購那我們就跟我們自己國內的中小企業跟傳統產業採購 拜託我覺得這個給我們一個很大的強心針再拜託部長 再拜託我們相關的單位\n","txt":"我想這段時間我們經濟部面臨很多的挑戰尤其最近又因為以疫衝突\n造成了我們整個能源的危機是不是會產生所以大家都很擔心如果荷姆茲海峽被封鎖了那麼我們中東原油\n要进到我们每一个国家不是只有台湾每一个国家其实都会受到影响总共全球有20%的原油30%的天然气都要经过荷姆兹海峡\n那麼我們台灣更不用說我們其實有很大的比例甚至還不只如此我們的整個仰賴進口能源的產業也可能會受影響部長我們有做了盤整嗎萬一萬一如果依照我們現在原油每桶是80美元\n那如果漲到100美元\n漲到120美元漲到140美元我們每一個階段我們要怎麼應對是 報告委員這個自從這個赫姆斯海峽有狀況以後經濟部有成了一個緊急對應小組那麼這裡面包括我們的國營事業包括我們能源署包括我們的這個\n中油、台電這些公司我們每一天在晚上所有的語情收受以後進入討論由我們賴建信次長來主持到現在我們已經進行了三天的模擬就剛才委員所指教的當布蘭特原油的價格來到80塊、100塊、130塊我們大概預估是到130塊\n那这个刚好这三天里面产生了一个非常大的变化我们在今天早上看到的布兰特原油的价格已经成这个最高的时候77.01块钱6月20号的收盘价变成今天早上是67.14这样的一个价格那么在我们也观察到未来会怎么样子那这个8月份交割的西德州中值原油每桶只有64.37元这个是一个trend\n所以基於這樣的情況之後我們當然還是在觀察就是每天變化太大所以我們現在已經是有應變小組成立了每天晚上會收集所有的語情然後應變隔天可能會面臨的狀況還有我們會觀察我們有多少的存量\n有哪一些量是在船上的現在正在運輸的這個當中我們基於這樣的情況啊來衡量我們可能會碰到的一些變異的情況然後第二個呢我想我們中油跟中油啊\n都有跟我們比較友好的購買的這個對象譬如說澳洲也好美國也好我們也說萬一有狀況的時候我們可能會先要求他先把現貨撥一點給我們這個我們都有模擬\n有模擬有沒有對接了都有對接了模擬跟對接是不一樣喔所以我們已經有跟這些可能可以提早把這些存量給我們的有做了第一時間的對接了是不是所以我們也把我們所有在船上的整個目前在原油可以預期我們的存量都已經評估過了我問一下部長\n是那麼依照現在不論是我們自己國內的存量或是在海上的存量還在海當中要進到我們台灣國內的這些我們預估我們有多少的一個這個所謂可控期我們到目前的狀況就是說到我們最新的狀況都還在可控制的這個情況之內都還在可控制的情況之內我們目前大概\n根據國內的法規我們油存量大概會按照法規的量在保持油跟氣都是一樣那你預估依照我們現在所有周邊的我不讓你說多少存量因為這會牽扯到我們國家能源的機密所以說我們預期我們這個部分因為我們要讓我們的國民有信心\n就這些可控大家放心我們可以控制到哪一個時間如果真正的發生到我們120美元或是130美元140美元的部分我們還有我們自己可以來協助做調整的一個機制我想這個包括到這些這個穩定民生物價任性的問題我們都有考慮進去是那多久\n沒有問題 你在這個過程當中因為我們也知道 我們比預計的國安的量還要多就是說我們比目前我們每一次一定要要求一些國安存量來調解整個國家所面臨的緊急狀況我們比目前我們法規當中所要求的存量還要多\n所以這很重要因為我們要讓民眾有信心否則現在大家看到媒體在報以一的衝突那當然我們也看到美國川普總統也在處理以一的衝突事件也在穩定那我們希望趕快\n去做好調停不要把它變成是全球的問題因為畢竟這個荷姆茲海峽它有一個非常關鍵的就是剛好所有的原油都要幾乎都要經過這樣的一個海峽的管控所以封鎖之後確實有它的能源危機\n所以這部分我相信我們兩邊進行當然這個調節性的部分我們一定要進到能源的調節而且讓民眾沒有擔憂那第二個部分就是說我最近其實我們在做地方的中小企業跟企業的一個訪問的時候就發現一個問題就是因為我們的幣值的問題\n我們新台幣持續在升值 大家會擔心因為不敢接訂單不敢接訂單部長因為你從企業界過來的 你很清楚因為接一張訂單有可能也因為整個匯率的問題而造成\n給接一張給了一張所以現在大家不敢接在還沒有整個匯率穩定的狀態之下是不敢接的那麼部長我們怎麼去處理這些所謂的信心指數的問題是謝謝委員的質詢\n我想我們我們台灣的企業確實中小企業對這個所謂的匯率的這個準備跟避險是比較弱那大的企業比較我們不擔心我們都跟他們溝通過了所以他們都有他們的避險機制那對這個小企業\n跟微型企業 我覺得這個是我們馬上碰到的所以在這個部分我們有兩個做法第一個做法就是說在短期裡面我們提供低利率貸款來降低它的營運成本減少它的資金的壓力第二個長期裡面我們協助它低碳化跟智慧化的轉型那麼進行深度節能跟太萬節能設備\n這是回去的啊 我現在說的是根本就不敢 沒有 不敢去接訂單啊他不敢去接訂單咧 給他接一張 給他撩一張咧他現在都沒訂單要不然有可能接了一張訂單之後因為匯率的調整\n我們現在大概我剛才就講他可能目前沒有辦法穩定的接訂單那我們再盤出來大概有幾個產業可能會有這種現象那我們就針對這些現象來講我們來\n協助他怎麼學習這個避險那譬如說我們強調他的這個庫存的管理啊提高財務運用的效率那來降低他的資金成本那短期沒有辦法接單並不代表他沒有辦法接單因為這個是他不敢接單不是不能接單是不敢接單是不敢接單因為現在我們新台幣升值1%他們的成本的定義愛料1.5%喔\n不是 報告委員我們現在是這樣子就是說它銷美國我們大家看過去觀察我們台灣的產業銷美國大概只有23%所以我們還有77%的這個市場是在美國以外的那因為這個匯率的問題並不是只有考慮到美國所以我們在整體怎麼樣子調節這個市場裡面所以你要怎麼幫它去轉\n以大代小我们是以大代小因为这个转移市场还是美金报价所以对产商来讲是一样转移市场是一样所以最重要的是增加它的附加价值跟降低它的操作成本这个我们都现在都一直在进行\n如何增加他的这个竞争力部长我今天会提这个问题就是我们当跟中小企业传统产业在座谈的时候其实目前才是他们最大的压力\n因為不敢接訂單你即使不敢接訂單之後你後續你再幫他轉型再幫他做所謂的一個產值的增加也沒有用啊因為沒有訂單那接了訂單之後所擔心的就是因為你整個匯率我們去簽訂單的時候是依照這個價格\n匯率的調整 不能說我要依照匯率調整喔 沒有 對不對這個大家都清楚 那我們其實台灣就是它中小企業跟傳統生意就是我們台灣很硬開放 如果沒有這中小企業傳統生意我們今年不能走到 今年這樣的一個經濟發展所以我們必須去看到他們現在所面臨的狀況\n所以部長我今天會提出來是你們提的當然是協助他們去做轉型去做後續的可能殘職的增加可是你要看他們現在是連接單都不敢接單\n我想這個是這樣子就是說他不敢接單我們會分析他什麼原因不敢接單對於我們來講我們是增強他的競爭力所以我們會降低他的成本從各個方面來幫助他降低成本增加他的經營的效益這樣子才讓他有這個競爭力\n不管這個關稅啊或者是這個匯率的問題對他來講小公司最重要是他在供應鏈裡面他必須要進到這個供應鏈裡面所以我們會讓中型的企業我們現在整合我們現在整合喔譬如說買材料啦 一樣的\n叫我們的大企業要把我們的中小企業賣 把我們的傳統企業賣我們不一定要消去國外 把這個頂端我們變成我們國內來吸收我現在經濟部有20個法人機構 都在進行AI的教學我們把這些小微企業整合起來 通過 譬如100斤收賣的材料\n部長請問這些法人企業他的這些什麼時候可以跟我們說他到底做到哪裡了我們現在都有都在進行我們現在產發署技術師中小企業署我們三個署都每天在整合我知道啊你們很認真在做啊可是為什麼我們的中小企業跟傳統產業感受不到這才是問題啊\n有有有所以其實部長你講的那一個才是重點喔我們台南都有在進行沒有有有我必須說部長我要感謝你把我們的台灣給我們台南給北京府給這我要跟你感謝你把它創了一個品牌真的是有在做可是\n如果我們今天可以像部長所講的 當我們大型企業 中型企業可以跟我們的傳統產業 我們的較輕盈的企業 我們這裡的材料向我們致備我覺得你整合 我覺得這個更重要所以這個部分我覺得這個效益應該把它帶出來\n統購啦學術上叫統購一般的民間講法叫團購我們是發揮小型微型企業的材料團購由經濟部來協助他們所以部長你講這個我非常非常有亮點但是我們要怎麼做而且要多久因為這個東西是現階段真的可以幫助他們如果不敢接訂單的轉到我們自己本身所以我也相信我們現在因為\n這個部長是從企業過來的所以你有很多不一樣的不會是很苛究的這個公務想法所以你講的這個部分我相信而且我覺得做得到把這個大企業他可以面對因為他可以把這所謂的會域然後做一個調整可是中小企業跟傳統產業在吸收的部分沒有那麼強\n所以我們要怎麼處理就是透過這些所以拜託我們是不是可以一兩個月把這個計畫把這個問題沒有時間沒有壓力啊好不好一個月好不好報告我們可以馬上把這個計畫這個送給您做好\n好 我很期待 我覺得這樣子才可以給中小企業說你不用去問嘛 你不可以去接電話 沒關係我們來接過來的電話要不然他們可能也都跟外國去採購那我們就跟我們自己國內的中小企業跟傳統產業採購 拜託我覺得這個給我們一個很大的強心針再拜託部長 再拜託我們相關的單位\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:01.770\n我想這段時間我們經濟部面臨很多的挑戰尤其最近又因為以疫衝突\n\n00:25.034 --> 00:41.559\n造成了我們整個能源的危機是不是會產生所以大家都很擔心如果荷姆茲海峽被封鎖了那麼我們中東原油\n\n00:42.898 --> 00:59.741\n要进到我们每一个国家不是只有台湾每一个国家其实都会受到影响总共全球有20%的原油30%的天然气都要经过荷姆兹海峡\n\n01:00.751 --> 01:29.960\n那麼我們台灣更不用說我們其實有很大的比例甚至還不只如此我們的整個仰賴進口能源的產業也可能會受影響部長我們有做了盤整嗎萬一萬一如果依照我們現在原油每桶是80美元\n\n01:31.311 --> 01:33.907\n那如果漲到100美元\n\n01:35.972 --> 01:59.657\n漲到120美元漲到140美元我們每一個階段我們要怎麼應對是報告委員這個自從這個赫姆斯海峽有狀況以後經濟部有成了一個緊急對應小組那麼這裡面包括我們的國營事業包括我們能源署包括我們的這個\n\n02:01.657 --> 02:22.343\n中油、台電這些公司我們每一天在晚上所有的語情收受以後進入討論由我們賴建信次長來主持到現在我們已經進行了三天的模擬就剛才委員所指教的當布蘭特原油的價格來到80塊、100塊、130塊我們大概預估是到130塊\n\n02:27.825 --> 02:57.545\n那这个刚好这三天里面产生了一个非常大的变化我们在今天早上看到的布兰特原油的价格已经成这个最高的时候77.01块钱6月20号的收盘价变成今天早上是67.14这样的一个价格那么在我们也观察到未来会怎么样子那这个8月份交割的西德州中值原油每桶只有64.37元这个是一个trend\n\n02:58.085 --> 03:20.576\n所以基於這樣的情況之後我們當然還是在觀察就是每天變化太大所以我們現在已經是有應變小組成立了每天晚上會收集所有的語情然後應變隔天可能會面臨的狀況還有我們會觀察我們有多少的存量\n\n03:21.636 --> 03:37.814\n有哪一些量是在船上的現在正在運輸的這個當中我們基於這樣的情況啊來衡量我們可能會碰到的一些變異的情況然後第二個呢我想我們中油跟中油啊\n\n03:38.214 --> 03:51.611\n都有跟我們比較友好的購買的這個對象譬如說澳洲也好美國也好我們也說萬一有狀況的時候我們可能會先要求他先把現貨撥一點給我們這個我們都有模擬\n\n03:54.554 --> 04:23.524\n有模擬有沒有對接了都有對接了模擬跟對接是不一樣喔所以我們已經有跟這些可能可以提早把這些存量給我們的有做了第一時間的對接了是不是所以我們也把我們所有在船上的整個目前在原油可以預期我們的存量都已經評估過了我問一下部長\n\n04:24.164 --> 04:53.091\n是那麼依照現在不論是我們自己國內的存量或是在海上的存量還在海當中要進到我們台灣國內的這些我們預估我們有多少的一個這個所謂可控期我們到目前的狀況就是說到我們最新的狀況都還在可控制的這個情況之內都還在可控制的情況之內我們目前大概\n\n04:54.639 --> 05:20.902\n根據國內的法規我們油存量大概會按照法規的量在保持油跟氣都是一樣那你預估依照我們現在所有周邊的我不讓你說多少存量因為這會牽扯到我們國家能源的機密所以說我們預期我們這個部分因為我們要讓我們的國民有信心\n\n05:21.582 --> 05:50.794\n就這些可控大家放心我們可以控制到哪一個時間如果真正的發生到我們120美元或是130美元140美元的部分我們還有我們自己可以來協助做調整的一個機制我想這個包括到這些這個穩定民生物價任性的問題我們都有考慮進去是那多久\n\n05:51.889 --> 06:20.208\n沒有問題你在這個過程當中因為我們也知道我們比預計的國安的量還要多就是說我們比目前我們每一次一定要要求一些國安存量來調解整個國家所面臨的緊急狀況我們比目前我們法規當中所要求的存量還要多\n\n06:22.469 --> 06:40.176\n所以這很重要因為我們要讓民眾有信心否則現在大家看到媒體在報以一的衝突那當然我們也看到美國川普總統也在處理以一的衝突事件也在穩定那我們希望趕快\n\n06:41.636 --> 07:01.981\n去做好調停不要把它變成是全球的問題因為畢竟這個荷姆茲海峽它有一個非常關鍵的就是剛好所有的原油都要幾乎都要經過這樣的一個海峽的管控所以封鎖之後確實有它的能源危機\n\n07:03.021 --> 07:23.615\n所以這部分我相信我們兩邊進行當然這個調節性的部分我們一定要進到能源的調節而且讓民眾沒有擔憂那第二個部分就是說我最近其實我們在做地方的中小企業跟企業的一個訪問的時候就發現一個問題就是因為我們的幣值的問題\n\n07:31.584 --> 07:51.247\n我們新台幣持續在升值大家會擔心因為不敢接訂單不敢接訂單部長因為你從企業界過來的你很清楚因為接一張訂單有可能也因為整個匯率的問題而造成\n\n07:53.061 --> 08:08.133\n給接一張給了一張所以現在大家不敢接在還沒有整個匯率穩定的狀態之下是不敢接的那麼部長我們怎麼去處理這些所謂的信心指數的問題是謝謝委員的質詢\n\n08:12.137 --> 08:31.295\n我想我們我們台灣的企業確實中小企業對這個所謂的匯率的這個準備跟避險是比較弱那大的企業比較我們不擔心我們都跟他們溝通過了所以他們都有他們的避險機制那對這個小企業\n\n08:33.777 --> 08:57.893\n跟微型企業我覺得這個是我們馬上碰到的所以在這個部分我們有兩個做法第一個做法就是說在短期裡面我們提供低利率貸款來降低它的營運成本減少它的資金的壓力第二個長期裡面我們協助它低碳化跟智慧化的轉型那麼進行深度節能跟太萬節能設備\n\n09:00.234 --> 09:05.616\n這是回去的啊我現在說的是根本就不敢沒有不敢去接訂單啊他不敢去接訂單咧給他接一張給他撩一張咧他現在都沒訂單要不然有可能接了一張訂單之後因為匯率的調整\n\n09:17.614 --> 09:32.005\n我們現在大概我剛才就講他可能目前沒有辦法穩定的接訂單那我們再盤出來大概有幾個產業可能會有這種現象那我們就針對這些現象來講我們來\n\n09:36.987 --> 09:59.255\n協助他怎麼學習這個避險那譬如說我們強調他的這個庫存的管理啊提高財務運用的效率那來降低他的資金成本那短期沒有辦法接單並不代表他沒有辦法接單因為這個是他不敢接單不是不能接單是不敢接單是不敢接單因為現在我們新台幣升值1%他們的成本的定義愛料1.5%喔\n\n10:06.078 --> 10:26.003\n不是報告委員我們現在是這樣子就是說它銷美國我們大家看過去觀察我們台灣的產業銷美國大概只有23%所以我們還有77%的這個市場是在美國以外的那因為這個匯率的問題並不是只有考慮到美國所以我們在整體怎麼樣子調節這個市場裡面所以你要怎麼幫它去轉\n\n10:30.245 --> 10:48.361\n以大代小我们是以大代小因为这个转移市场还是美金报价所以对产商来讲是一样转移市场是一样所以最重要的是增加它的附加价值跟降低它的操作成本这个我们都现在都一直在进行\n\n10:49.406 --> 11:06.381\n如何增加他的这个竞争力部长我今天会提这个问题就是我们当跟中小企业传统产业在座谈的时候其实目前才是他们最大的压力\n\n11:07.199 --> 11:25.390\n因為不敢接訂單你即使不敢接訂單之後你後續你再幫他轉型再幫他做所謂的一個產值的增加也沒有用啊因為沒有訂單那接了訂單之後所擔心的就是因為你整個匯率我們去簽訂單的時候是依照這個價格\n\n11:28.051 --> 11:51.480\n匯率的調整不能說我要依照匯率調整喔沒有對不對這個大家都清楚那我們其實台灣就是它中小企業跟傳統生意就是我們台灣很硬開放如果沒有這中小企業傳統生意我們今年不能走到今年這樣的一個經濟發展所以我們必須去看到他們現在所面臨的狀況\n\n11:53.407 --> 12:07.826\n所以部長我今天會提出來是你們提的當然是協助他們去做轉型去做後續的可能殘職的增加可是你要看他們現在是連接單都不敢接單\n\n12:08.447 --> 12:25.647\n我想這個是這樣子就是說他不敢接單我們會分析他什麼原因不敢接單對於我們來講我們是增強他的競爭力所以我們會降低他的成本從各個方面來幫助他降低成本增加他的經營的效益這樣子才讓他有這個競爭力\n\n12:28.831 --> 12:48.524\n不管這個關稅啊或者是這個匯率的問題對他來講小公司最重要是他在供應鏈裡面他必須要進到這個供應鏈裡面所以我們會讓中型的企業我們現在整合我們現在整合喔譬如說買材料啦一樣的\n\n12:51.306 --> 12:55.949\n叫我們的大企業要把我們的中小企業賣把我們的傳統企業賣我們不一定要消去國外把這個頂端我們變成我們國內來吸收我現在經濟部有20個法人機構都在進行AI的教學我們把這些小微企業整合起來通過譬如100斤收賣的材料\n\n13:15.302 --> 13:39.031\n部長請問這些法人企業他的這些什麼時候可以跟我們說他到底做到哪裡了我們現在都有都在進行我們現在產發署技術師中小企業署我們三個署都每天在整合我知道啊你們很認真在做啊可是為什麼我們的中小企業跟傳統產業感受不到這才是問題啊\n\n13:44.233 --> 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