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00:00:58,816\n就這個部分來講下半年因為我們還是要等到7月9號美國的關稅大勢底定以後目前的方向應該是往好的方向因為報告委員這個關稅的部分不是美國對所有的國家都是一致的應該是我們認為\n\n4\n00:01:01,119 --> 00:01:14,939\n我講的是對台灣的部分啦就是當然因為跟台灣談跟世界各國談的不一樣狀況因為我們也跟世界各國競爭嘛那我講的是整體的趨勢對台灣的經濟跟緊急狀況應該是從我的方向在走以目前我們所收集的資訊來看\n\n5\n00:01:16,661 --> 00:01:29,769\n因為這個都還沒有到底定的部分但我們期望他是朝好的方向在發展看起來好像也有這樣的一個氛圍因為台灣過去被美國所關注的這幾個問題我們都在解決\n\n6\n00:01:33,211 --> 00:01:55,891\n我們在解決包括這個美國可能關注來習產地啊可能這個中國會有一些外溢到台灣來啊然後這個變業安全等等這些問題事實上我們都非常的努力也提供給行政院這個談判小組他們去做參考所以我們相信他基於這個綜合的這些資訊他們去談應該會比較有把握\n\n7\n00:01:59,434 --> 00:02:18,935\n部長那下半年的景氣狀況跟經濟成長率咧整個全年度咧我們現在在看啦就是經濟成長率應該是還是會在落在就是舊智庫上面的數據來顯示啦齁大概會在3還是在3可以保3啦齁可以保3那經濟成長率下半那個景氣的部分呢下半年\n\n8\n00:02:19,716 --> 00:02:48,669\n景氣的部分現在看起來半導體的景氣在這個先進製程的部分應該是還在如預期2奈米的部分3奈米應該5奈米以下都還不錯那現在我們比較大概大家在觀察也就是說這些傳統這個製程的部分Legacy的部分因為中國開出非常多的這樣的一個廠出來不過\n\n9\n00:02:50,205 --> 00:03:11,767\n未來在所謂飛鴻供應鏈的這個要求之下台灣的廠商反而會有因為飛鴻供應鏈所以部長對下半年台灣的景氣是比較樂觀的甚樂觀的我們認為我們應該是有這樣的機會啦現在看看各個廠商他自己本身接單的能耐跟他的技術的層次\n\n10\n00:03:13,348 --> 00:03:24,609\n我順便問一下副總裁好嗎副總裁一樣的問題這個關稅匯率中東戰爭特別是匯率跟這個也有相關的怎麼看待未來這個下半年的經濟狀況\n\n11\n00:03:26,189 --> 00:03:44,891\n因為我們在判斷下半年的時候我們是根據目前的資料去判斷所以我們最近的理事會已經修正了我們對那個下半年的一個景氣的看法譬如說我們上半年整個台灣的經濟成長率是5.49左右下半年我們預期大概是0.78\n\n12\n00:03:46,132 --> 00:04:15,068\n不過我剛才也提到雖然這個是雖然是下降感覺上下降很多可是我們是在去年同時間4%左右的下半年的經濟成長基礎上面去看說它的成長率只是降緩了一點所以我們整體來講我們預期今年還是3.05%左右的經濟成長所以今年還是可以保三的狀況是沒有問題的我們期望如此那景氣的部分呢剛剛部長是比較部長先回座啦先休息\n\n13\n00:04:15,851 --> 00:04:36,525\n部長是稍微比較樂觀的看待審慎樂觀看待那莊銀行這邊呢副總裁這邊呢因為我們也看到就是說台灣的上半年的出口表現很好是因為它提前出貨的問題那下半年我們預期我們的出口成長會稍微減緩因為你的量總是已經超過你外面的需要\n\n14\n00:04:37,125 --> 00:04:44,953\n那這一塊可能也會影響到我們的民間投資的部分至於我們預期我們的民間消費其實還是維持一個蠻穩健的溫和成長的情況\n\n15\n00:04:49,025 --> 00:05:13,215\n所以溫和成長所以看來中央銀行應該也是採取比較穩健審慎樂觀的態度好那其實接下來很重要的一個部分包括國外也在那個就是其實我們經濟成長率未來的穩定物價甚至擴大內需這個都相當重要那就順著問副總裁比較少機會問到你那接下來其實政院提出來這個特別條例的部分其實對於\n\n16\n00:05:14,275 --> 00:05:42,554\n包括我們的產業的支持甚至台電的挹注的部分的話這個其實都相當重要那我想問一下副總裁如果這個沒有的道理我問一下副總裁好了沒關係我先問副總裁好了這個如果沒有得到支持的話對台灣的後續上面會不會產生什麼重大影響因為央行關鍵是整體的物價情況那台電的撥補其實是不是影響到什麼樣程度的物價我覺得還是要看他有沒有調整電價的問題\n\n17\n00:05:44,755 --> 00:05:47,957\n這個部分如果沒有得到立法院的支持的話那對我們下半年的狀況會不會產生重大影響我們的電價是4月到9月\n\n18\n00:06:01,932 --> 00:06:25,761\n所以如果這個價格因為我們的這個成本沒有得到這個撥補的時候那勢必反映的時機可能就在九月底的這個電價審查委員會他們所做的決定部長你意思是說如果沒有得到支持的話沒有得到支持的話就有可能在電價上面他就會反映出這個成本是嗎\n\n19\n00:06:26,121 --> 00:06:47,900\n是那這個委員他們大概就是沒有這個支持說不調價的這樣就變得原來的理由是蔣議員有三回席我也提過就是說我希望的是先不要漲那讓政府來支持這是一個多贏的方案政府的支持讓穩定住物價穩定住電價那對於產業也是好對民生都是好\n\n20\n00:06:48,420 --> 00:07:05,792\n這個是一個多盈的方案政府也有多盈餘嘛因為經濟好多盈這是最好的方案那如果你不採用這個方案下去的話有可能導致台電的壓力必須要漲電價這個可能產生對民生對物價對產業都產生衝擊是報告委員我想我們多次的報告裡面就是說\n\n21\n00:07:07,113 --> 00:07:22,200\n台電因為現在借錢借的非常的多那麼造成他的這個利息的負擔非常的高而且現在他已經借到一個高度了他在借錢的話那麼變成是他的利息的這個利率會比較高\n\n22\n00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:39,831\n那麼今天如果能夠獲得大院的這個支持那麼統一行政院撥補的這一千億那麼各位大院的這個委員都能夠來支持這樣的一個方案的話我相信對我們電價不調整那這些委員他們可能都比較能夠接受\n\n23\n00:07:40,672 --> 00:08:04,180\n那我們的電價只要不調整下半年都不調整一直到明年的三月這段時間都不調整的話我們相信對國內的物價指數的平穩是有非常高的幫助啦為什麼因為這個整個的電價的部分衝擊的我們現在雖然這個電價這個具有一點競爭力但是已經來到臨界點\n\n24\n00:08:05,620 --> 00:08:23,812\n那台灣是一個出口的國家我們生產的很多東西都要出口如果對這個產業他沒有辦法他必須要付更高的這個價格的時候對他的出口競爭力其實是減弱的二來又剛才大家有在討論這個說匯率的問題雙重之下他可能就\n\n25\n00:08:24,472 --> 00:08:47,787\n就因為這樣子而沒有競爭力而導致這些從業人員他的從業人員得到的這些薪資就不足以他在這個市場上面的消費造成這個市場消費的低所以在面對關稅匯率甚至於中東戰爭這些壓力下的時候其實這個穩定住物價穩定住電價會顯得特別重要\n\n26\n00:08:49,569 --> 00:09:02,060\n因為他一旦動了這個電價有可能就會讓業者的壓力更加巨大同時對於經濟的衝擊恐怕就更加的生意我想這些都是智庫他們評估出來的一些數據那我們也見請各位委員\n\n27\n00:09:05,823 --> 00:09:19,974\n我希望經濟部要加強持續的說明好不好其實要讓更多人知道讓大家知道其實穩住電價穩住物價這件事情是政府很重要的一個工作特別是在現在的這個局勢下其實對我們的產業對我們的這個相當重要那能夠穩住的話其實\n\n28\n00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:44,954\n他所投入的這些由政府的盈餘所投入的錢其實反倒會創作出對台灣更有利的一個環境出來這個對台灣是非常重要我希望經濟部加強來做更多的宣傳好不好讓國人更支持讓草野立委們更支持我們會努力我們也希望所有的草野的委員都能夠支持這個一千億的撥步謝謝部長最後一個問題問一下副總裁部長請先休息\n\n29\n00:09:49,538 --> 00:10:06,979\n總統其實在我們當時棒球拿到12強冠軍的時候有講到其實我們的500元可以放上發行紀念幣像我們看到很多包括像北愛爾蘭像斐濟都也有發行紀念幣這個部分發行一方面也是這個\n\n30\n00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:24,619\n台灣能夠拿到這個棒球的冠軍這真的是不容易啦這是非常不容易的事情那也是值得台灣驕傲的事情那像這樣的事情值得紀念的事情發行特別經過了半年的規劃的副總裁有沒有做後續的一些推動的一個方案\n\n31\n00:10:27,253 --> 00:10:44,145\n其實因為長期來講因為我們的新台幣的發行也有一陣子也有二十幾年了所以其實我們內部一直都有在做這樣子新台幣的發行的改版的規劃只是時機成熟或者是我們自然會對外宣布\n\n32\n00:10:45,771 --> 00:11:06,111\n我認為如果時間點到的時候其實是可以適度的啦我希望CP企業請中央銀行這邊一個月內提出一個評估啦好不好就是我覺得適當的時間點總統也講了其實也是很難得啦棒球也是台灣的國球很多人喜歡棒球而拿到世界冠軍12強的世界冠軍這個真的是非常的不容易的一件事情\n\n33\n00:11:07,933 --> 00:11:25,028\n記載這個榮耀同時間讓我們的進入到我們的貨幣裡面我認為是一個很值得做的事情那在更換的時候不管是更換或者甚至特別發行一個紀念幣我認為其實都可以對國人都是一個振奮同時間也是在例行性要做的範圍內去執行啦我認為中央銀行可以審慎來考慮\n\n34\n00:11:27,330 --> 00:11:55,624\n那個報告委員因為其實您剛才秀的是我們的紀念幣嘛冠軍那個就是這一次的紀念幣我們前幾天已經紀念幣有但我講的另外是紙幣裡面就是紙幣的部分我剛講的下一頁來看一下其實在其他的國家也有把他們的很優秀的運動選手甚至很好的表現放入到他們的紙幣裡面那我認為其實我們的不管一百五百一千的其實可以適度的去做一些的那個改版的時候什麼時候\n\n35\n00:11:56,204 --> 00:12:24,943\n適度的放入那其實對於整個是非常的提振而且讓更多優秀的運動選手優秀的一些歷史的紀念的一個意義放進來我認為這個是一個好的方向啦但在例行性要更換並不增加太多成本狀況下我認為這是一個非常好的減少政治的意向增加更多人民關注的運動意向或者是相關的藝文意向我認為或者台灣的意向我認為都是好事好不好那個副總裁回去思考一下一個月給我分報告好不好好好謝謝\n\n36\n00:12:26,065 --> 00:12:26,669\n好,谢谢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4178\t9838\t好謝謝主席請郭部長跟中央銀行嚴副總裁郭部長嚴副總裁\n14652\t33611\t先請教一下郭部長這個其實現在包括關稅包括匯率包括中東的這些戰爭狀況其實讓大家感覺有相當多的一些變數對於整個下半年的一些景氣甚至於整個經濟成長率的部分那部長怎麼看\n37136\t58816\t就這個部分來講下半年因為我們還是要等到7月9號美國的關稅大勢底定以後目前的方向應該是往好的方向因為報告委員這個關稅的部分不是美國對所有的國家都是一致的應該是我們認為\n61119\t74939\t我講的是對台灣的部分啦就是當然因為跟台灣談跟世界各國談的不一樣狀況因為我們也跟世界各國競爭嘛那我講的是整體的趨勢對台灣的經濟跟緊急狀況應該是從我的方向在走以目前我們所收集的資訊來看\n76661\t89769\t因為這個都還沒有到底定的部分但我們期望他是朝好的方向在發展看起來好像也有這樣的一個氛圍因為台灣過去被美國所關注的這幾個問題我們都在解決\n93211\t115891\t我們在解決包括這個美國可能關注來習產地啊可能這個中國會有一些外溢到台灣來啊然後這個變業安全等等這些問題事實上我們都非常的努力也提供給行政院這個談判小組他們去做參考所以我們相信他基於這個綜合的這些資訊他們去談應該會比較有把握\n119434\t138935\t部長那下半年的景氣狀況跟經濟成長率咧整個全年度咧我們現在在看啦就是經濟成長率應該是還是會在落在就是舊智庫上面的數據來顯示啦齁大概會在3還是在3可以保3啦齁可以保3那經濟成長率下半那個景氣的部分呢下半年\n139716\t168669\t景氣的部分現在看起來半導體的景氣在這個先進製程的部分應該是還在如預期2奈米的部分3奈米應該5奈米以下都還不錯那現在我們比較大概大家在觀察也就是說這些傳統這個製程的部分Legacy的部分因為中國開出非常多的這樣的一個廠出來不過\n170205\t191767\t未來在所謂飛鴻供應鏈的這個要求之下台灣的廠商反而會有因為飛鴻供應鏈所以部長對下半年台灣的景氣是比較樂觀的甚樂觀的我們認為我們應該是有這樣的機會啦現在看看各個廠商他自己本身接單的能耐跟他的技術的層次\n193348\t204609\t我順便問一下副總裁好嗎副總裁一樣的問題這個關稅匯率中東戰爭特別是匯率跟這個也有相關的怎麼看待未來這個下半年的經濟狀況\n206189\t224891\t因為我們在判斷下半年的時候我們是根據目前的資料去判斷所以我們最近的理事會已經修正了我們對那個下半年的一個景氣的看法譬如說我們上半年整個台灣的經濟成長率是5.49左右下半年我們預期大概是0.78\n226132\t255068\t不過我剛才也提到雖然這個是雖然是下降感覺上下降很多可是我們是在去年同時間4%左右的下半年的經濟成長基礎上面去看說它的成長率只是降緩了一點所以我們整體來講我們預期今年還是3.05%左右的經濟成長所以今年還是可以保三的狀況是沒有問題的我們期望如此那景氣的部分呢剛剛部長是比較部長先回座啦先休息\n255851\t276525\t部長是稍微比較樂觀的看待 審慎樂觀看待那莊銀行這邊呢 副總裁這邊呢因為我們也看到就是說台灣的上半年的出口表現很好是因為它提前出貨的問題那下半年我們預期我們的出口成長會稍微減緩因為你的量總是已經超過你外面的需要\n277125\t284953\t那這一塊可能也會影響到我們的民間投資的部分至於我們預期我們的民間消費其實還是維持一個蠻穩健的溫和成長的情況\n289025\t313215\t所以溫和成長所以看來中央銀行應該也是採取比較穩健審慎樂觀的態度好那其實接下來很重要的一個部分包括國外也在那個就是其實我們經濟成長率未來的穩定物價甚至擴大內需這個都相當重要那就順著問副總裁比較少機會問到你那接下來其實政院提出來這個特別條例的部分其實對於\n314275\t342554\t包括我們的產業的支持甚至台電的挹注的部分的話這個其實都相當重要那我想問一下副總裁如果這個沒有的道理我問一下副總裁好了沒關係我先問副總裁好了這個如果沒有得到支持的話對台灣的後續上面會不會產生什麼重大影響因為央行關鍵是整體的物價情況那台電的撥補其實是不是影響到什麼樣程度的物價我覺得還是要看他有沒有調整電價的問題\n344755\t347957\t這個部分如果沒有得到立法院的支持的話那對我們下半年的狀況會不會產生重大影響我們的電價是4月到9月\n361932\t385761\t所以如果這個價格因為我們的這個成本沒有得到這個撥補的時候那勢必反映的時機可能就在九月底的這個電價審查委員會他們所做的決定部長你意思是說如果沒有得到支持的話沒有得到支持的話就有可能在電價上面他就會反映出這個成本是嗎\n386121\t407900\t是 那這個委員他們大概就是沒有這個支持說不調價的這樣就變得 原來的理由是蔣議員有三回席我也提過就是說我希望的是先不要漲那讓政府來支持 這是一個多贏的方案政府的支持讓穩定住物價 穩定住電價那對於產業也是好 對民生都是好\n408420\t425792\t這個是一個多盈的方案政府也有多盈餘嘛因為經濟好多盈這是最好的方案那如果你不採用這個方案下去的話有可能導致台電的壓力必須要漲電價這個可能產生對民生對物價對產業都產生衝擊是報告委員我想我們多次的報告裡面就是說\n427113\t442200\t台電因為現在借錢借的非常的多那麼造成他的這個利息的負擔非常的高而且現在他已經借到一個高度了他在借錢的話那麼變成是他的利息的這個利率會比較高\n443160\t459831\t那麼今天如果能夠獲得大院的這個支持那麼統一行政院撥補的這一千億那麼各位大院的這個委員都能夠來支持這樣的一個方案的話我相信對我們電價不調整那這些委員他們可能都比較能夠接受\n460672\t484180\t那我們的電價只要不調整下半年都不調整一直到明年的三月這段時間都不調整的話我們相信對國內的物價指數的平穩是有非常高的幫助啦為什麼因為這個整個的電價的部分衝擊的我們現在雖然這個電價這個具有一點競爭力但是已經來到臨界點\n485620\t503812\t那台灣是一個出口的國家我們生產的很多東西都要出口如果對這個產業他沒有辦法他必須要付更高的這個價格的時候對他的出口競爭力其實是減弱的二來又剛才大家有在討論這個說匯率的問題雙重之下他可能就\n504472\t527787\t就因為這樣子而沒有競爭力而導致這些從業人員他的從業人員得到的這些薪資就不足以他在這個市場上面的消費造成這個市場消費的低所以在面對關稅匯率甚至於中東戰爭這些壓力下的時候其實這個穩定住物價穩定住電價會顯得特別重要\n529569\t542060\t因為他一旦動了這個電價有可能就會讓業者的壓力更加巨大同時對於經濟的衝擊恐怕就更加的生意我想這些都是智庫他們評估出來的一些數據那我們也見請各位委員\n545823\t559974\t我希望經濟部要加強持續的說明好不好其實要讓更多人知道讓大家知道其實穩住電價穩住物價這件事情是政府很重要的一個工作特別是在現在的這個局勢下其實對我們的產業對我們的這個相當重要那能夠穩住的話其實\n563897\t584954\t他所投入的這些由政府的盈餘所投入的錢其實反倒會創作出對台灣更有利的一個環境出來這個對台灣是非常重要我希望經濟部加強來做更多的宣傳好不好讓國人更支持讓草野立委們更支持我們會努力我們也希望所有的草野的委員都能夠支持這個一千億的撥步謝謝部長最後一個問題問一下副總裁部長請先休息\n589538\t606979\t總統其實在我們當時棒球拿到12強冠軍的時候有講到其實我們的500元可以放上發行紀念幣像我們看到很多包括像北愛爾蘭像斐濟都也有發行紀念幣這個部分發行一方面也是這個\n608140\t624619\t台灣能夠拿到這個棒球的冠軍這真的是不容易啦這是非常不容易的事情那也是值得台灣驕傲的事情那像這樣的事情值得紀念的事情發行特別經過了半年的規劃的副總裁有沒有做後續的一些推動的一個方案\n627253\t644145\t其實因為長期來講因為我們的新台幣的發行也有一陣子也有二十幾年了所以其實我們內部一直都有在做這樣子新台幣的發行的改版的規劃只是時機成熟或者是我們自然會對外宣布\n645771\t666111\t我認為如果時間點到的時候其實是可以適度的啦我希望CP企業請中央銀行這邊一個月內提出一個評估啦好不好就是我覺得適當的時間點總統也講了其實也是很難得啦棒球也是台灣的國球很多人喜歡棒球而拿到世界冠軍12強的世界冠軍這個真的是非常的不容易的一件事情\n667933\t685028\t記載這個榮耀同時間讓我們的進入到我們的貨幣裡面我認為是一個很值得做的事情那在更換的時候不管是更換或者甚至特別發行一個紀念幣我認為其實都可以對國人都是一個振奮同時間也是在例行性要做的範圍內去執行啦我認為中央銀行可以審慎來考慮\n687330\t715624\t那個報告委員因為其實您剛才秀的是我們的紀念幣嘛冠軍那個就是這一次的紀念幣我們前幾天已經紀念幣有但我講的另外是紙幣裡面就是紙幣的部分我剛講的下一頁來看一下其實在其他的國家也有把他們的很優秀的運動選手甚至很好的表現放入到他們的紙幣裡面那我認為其實我們的不管一百五百一千的其實可以適度的去做一些的那個改版的時候什麼時候\n716204\t744943\t適度的放入那其實對於整個是非常的提振而且讓更多優秀的運動選手優秀的一些歷史的紀念的一個意義放進來我認為這個是一個好的方向啦但在例行性要更換並不增加太多成本狀況下我認為這是一個非常好的減少政治的意向增加更多人民關注的運動意向或者是相關的藝文意向我認為或者台灣的意向我認為都是好事好不好那個副總裁回去思考一下一個月給我分報告好不好好好謝謝\n746065\t746669\t好,谢谢\n","txt":"好謝謝主席請郭部長跟中央銀行嚴副總裁郭部長嚴副總裁\n先請教一下郭部長這個其實現在包括關稅包括匯率包括中東的這些戰爭狀況其實讓大家感覺有相當多的一些變數對於整個下半年的一些景氣甚至於整個經濟成長率的部分那部長怎麼看\n就這個部分來講下半年因為我們還是要等到7月9號美國的關稅大勢底定以後目前的方向應該是往好的方向因為報告委員這個關稅的部分不是美國對所有的國家都是一致的應該是我們認為\n我講的是對台灣的部分啦就是當然因為跟台灣談跟世界各國談的不一樣狀況因為我們也跟世界各國競爭嘛那我講的是整體的趨勢對台灣的經濟跟緊急狀況應該是從我的方向在走以目前我們所收集的資訊來看\n因為這個都還沒有到底定的部分但我們期望他是朝好的方向在發展看起來好像也有這樣的一個氛圍因為台灣過去被美國所關注的這幾個問題我們都在解決\n我們在解決包括這個美國可能關注來習產地啊可能這個中國會有一些外溢到台灣來啊然後這個變業安全等等這些問題事實上我們都非常的努力也提供給行政院這個談判小組他們去做參考所以我們相信他基於這個綜合的這些資訊他們去談應該會比較有把握\n部長那下半年的景氣狀況跟經濟成長率咧整個全年度咧我們現在在看啦就是經濟成長率應該是還是會在落在就是舊智庫上面的數據來顯示啦齁大概會在3還是在3可以保3啦齁可以保3那經濟成長率下半那個景氣的部分呢下半年\n景氣的部分現在看起來半導體的景氣在這個先進製程的部分應該是還在如預期2奈米的部分3奈米應該5奈米以下都還不錯那現在我們比較大概大家在觀察也就是說這些傳統這個製程的部分Legacy的部分因為中國開出非常多的這樣的一個廠出來不過\n未來在所謂飛鴻供應鏈的這個要求之下台灣的廠商反而會有因為飛鴻供應鏈所以部長對下半年台灣的景氣是比較樂觀的甚樂觀的我們認為我們應該是有這樣的機會啦現在看看各個廠商他自己本身接單的能耐跟他的技術的層次\n我順便問一下副總裁好嗎副總裁一樣的問題這個關稅匯率中東戰爭特別是匯率跟這個也有相關的怎麼看待未來這個下半年的經濟狀況\n因為我們在判斷下半年的時候我們是根據目前的資料去判斷所以我們最近的理事會已經修正了我們對那個下半年的一個景氣的看法譬如說我們上半年整個台灣的經濟成長率是5.49左右下半年我們預期大概是0.78\n不過我剛才也提到雖然這個是雖然是下降感覺上下降很多可是我們是在去年同時間4%左右的下半年的經濟成長基礎上面去看說它的成長率只是降緩了一點所以我們整體來講我們預期今年還是3.05%左右的經濟成長所以今年還是可以保三的狀況是沒有問題的我們期望如此那景氣的部分呢剛剛部長是比較部長先回座啦先休息\n部長是稍微比較樂觀的看待 審慎樂觀看待那莊銀行這邊呢 副總裁這邊呢因為我們也看到就是說台灣的上半年的出口表現很好是因為它提前出貨的問題那下半年我們預期我們的出口成長會稍微減緩因為你的量總是已經超過你外面的需要\n那這一塊可能也會影響到我們的民間投資的部分至於我們預期我們的民間消費其實還是維持一個蠻穩健的溫和成長的情況\n所以溫和成長所以看來中央銀行應該也是採取比較穩健審慎樂觀的態度好那其實接下來很重要的一個部分包括國外也在那個就是其實我們經濟成長率未來的穩定物價甚至擴大內需這個都相當重要那就順著問副總裁比較少機會問到你那接下來其實政院提出來這個特別條例的部分其實對於\n包括我們的產業的支持甚至台電的挹注的部分的話這個其實都相當重要那我想問一下副總裁如果這個沒有的道理我問一下副總裁好了沒關係我先問副總裁好了這個如果沒有得到支持的話對台灣的後續上面會不會產生什麼重大影響因為央行關鍵是整體的物價情況那台電的撥補其實是不是影響到什麼樣程度的物價我覺得還是要看他有沒有調整電價的問題\n這個部分如果沒有得到立法院的支持的話那對我們下半年的狀況會不會產生重大影響我們的電價是4月到9月\n所以如果這個價格因為我們的這個成本沒有得到這個撥補的時候那勢必反映的時機可能就在九月底的這個電價審查委員會他們所做的決定部長你意思是說如果沒有得到支持的話沒有得到支持的話就有可能在電價上面他就會反映出這個成本是嗎\n是 那這個委員他們大概就是沒有這個支持說不調價的這樣就變得 原來的理由是蔣議員有三回席我也提過就是說我希望的是先不要漲那讓政府來支持 這是一個多贏的方案政府的支持讓穩定住物價 穩定住電價那對於產業也是好 對民生都是好\n這個是一個多盈的方案政府也有多盈餘嘛因為經濟好多盈這是最好的方案那如果你不採用這個方案下去的話有可能導致台電的壓力必須要漲電價這個可能產生對民生對物價對產業都產生衝擊是報告委員我想我們多次的報告裡面就是說\n台電因為現在借錢借的非常的多那麼造成他的這個利息的負擔非常的高而且現在他已經借到一個高度了他在借錢的話那麼變成是他的利息的這個利率會比較高\n那麼今天如果能夠獲得大院的這個支持那麼統一行政院撥補的這一千億那麼各位大院的這個委員都能夠來支持這樣的一個方案的話我相信對我們電價不調整那這些委員他們可能都比較能夠接受\n那我們的電價只要不調整下半年都不調整一直到明年的三月這段時間都不調整的話我們相信對國內的物價指數的平穩是有非常高的幫助啦為什麼因為這個整個的電價的部分衝擊的我們現在雖然這個電價這個具有一點競爭力但是已經來到臨界點\n那台灣是一個出口的國家我們生產的很多東西都要出口如果對這個產業他沒有辦法他必須要付更高的這個價格的時候對他的出口競爭力其實是減弱的二來又剛才大家有在討論這個說匯率的問題雙重之下他可能就\n就因為這樣子而沒有競爭力而導致這些從業人員他的從業人員得到的這些薪資就不足以他在這個市場上面的消費造成這個市場消費的低所以在面對關稅匯率甚至於中東戰爭這些壓力下的時候其實這個穩定住物價穩定住電價會顯得特別重要\n因為他一旦動了這個電價有可能就會讓業者的壓力更加巨大同時對於經濟的衝擊恐怕就更加的生意我想這些都是智庫他們評估出來的一些數據那我們也見請各位委員\n我希望經濟部要加強持續的說明好不好其實要讓更多人知道讓大家知道其實穩住電價穩住物價這件事情是政府很重要的一個工作特別是在現在的這個局勢下其實對我們的產業對我們的這個相當重要那能夠穩住的話其實\n他所投入的這些由政府的盈餘所投入的錢其實反倒會創作出對台灣更有利的一個環境出來這個對台灣是非常重要我希望經濟部加強來做更多的宣傳好不好讓國人更支持讓草野立委們更支持我們會努力我們也希望所有的草野的委員都能夠支持這個一千億的撥步謝謝部長最後一個問題問一下副總裁部長請先休息\n總統其實在我們當時棒球拿到12強冠軍的時候有講到其實我們的500元可以放上發行紀念幣像我們看到很多包括像北愛爾蘭像斐濟都也有發行紀念幣這個部分發行一方面也是這個\n台灣能夠拿到這個棒球的冠軍這真的是不容易啦這是非常不容易的事情那也是值得台灣驕傲的事情那像這樣的事情值得紀念的事情發行特別經過了半年的規劃的副總裁有沒有做後續的一些推動的一個方案\n其實因為長期來講因為我們的新台幣的發行也有一陣子也有二十幾年了所以其實我們內部一直都有在做這樣子新台幣的發行的改版的規劃只是時機成熟或者是我們自然會對外宣布\n我認為如果時間點到的時候其實是可以適度的啦我希望CP企業請中央銀行這邊一個月內提出一個評估啦好不好就是我覺得適當的時間點總統也講了其實也是很難得啦棒球也是台灣的國球很多人喜歡棒球而拿到世界冠軍12強的世界冠軍這個真的是非常的不容易的一件事情\n記載這個榮耀同時間讓我們的進入到我們的貨幣裡面我認為是一個很值得做的事情那在更換的時候不管是更換或者甚至特別發行一個紀念幣我認為其實都可以對國人都是一個振奮同時間也是在例行性要做的範圍內去執行啦我認為中央銀行可以審慎來考慮\n那個報告委員因為其實您剛才秀的是我們的紀念幣嘛冠軍那個就是這一次的紀念幣我們前幾天已經紀念幣有但我講的另外是紙幣裡面就是紙幣的部分我剛講的下一頁來看一下其實在其他的國家也有把他們的很優秀的運動選手甚至很好的表現放入到他們的紙幣裡面那我認為其實我們的不管一百五百一千的其實可以適度的去做一些的那個改版的時候什麼時候\n適度的放入那其實對於整個是非常的提振而且讓更多優秀的運動選手優秀的一些歷史的紀念的一個意義放進來我認為這個是一個好的方向啦但在例行性要更換並不增加太多成本狀況下我認為這是一個非常好的減少政治的意向增加更多人民關注的運動意向或者是相關的藝文意向我認為或者台灣的意向我認為都是好事好不好那個副總裁回去思考一下一個月給我分報告好不好好好謝謝\n好,谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.178 --> 00:09.838\n好謝謝主席請郭部長跟中央銀行嚴副總裁郭部長嚴副總裁\n\n00:14.652 --> 00:33.611\n先請教一下郭部長這個其實現在包括關稅包括匯率包括中東的這些戰爭狀況其實讓大家感覺有相當多的一些變數對於整個下半年的一些景氣甚至於整個經濟成長率的部分那部長怎麼看\n\n00:37.136 --> 00:58.816\n就這個部分來講下半年因為我們還是要等到7月9號美國的關稅大勢底定以後目前的方向應該是往好的方向因為報告委員這個關稅的部分不是美國對所有的國家都是一致的應該是我們認為\n\n01:01.119 --> 01:14.939\n我講的是對台灣的部分啦就是當然因為跟台灣談跟世界各國談的不一樣狀況因為我們也跟世界各國競爭嘛那我講的是整體的趨勢對台灣的經濟跟緊急狀況應該是從我的方向在走以目前我們所收集的資訊來看\n\n01:16.661 --> 01:29.769\n因為這個都還沒有到底定的部分但我們期望他是朝好的方向在發展看起來好像也有這樣的一個氛圍因為台灣過去被美國所關注的這幾個問題我們都在解決\n\n01:33.211 --> 01:55.891\n我們在解決包括這個美國可能關注來習產地啊可能這個中國會有一些外溢到台灣來啊然後這個變業安全等等這些問題事實上我們都非常的努力也提供給行政院這個談判小組他們去做參考所以我們相信他基於這個綜合的這些資訊他們去談應該會比較有把握\n\n01:59.434 --> 02:18.935\n部長那下半年的景氣狀況跟經濟成長率咧整個全年度咧我們現在在看啦就是經濟成長率應該是還是會在落在就是舊智庫上面的數據來顯示啦齁大概會在3還是在3可以保3啦齁可以保3那經濟成長率下半那個景氣的部分呢下半年\n\n02:19.716 --> 02:48.669\n景氣的部分現在看起來半導體的景氣在這個先進製程的部分應該是還在如預期2奈米的部分3奈米應該5奈米以下都還不錯那現在我們比較大概大家在觀察也就是說這些傳統這個製程的部分Legacy的部分因為中國開出非常多的這樣的一個廠出來不過\n\n02:50.205 --> 03:11.767\n未來在所謂飛鴻供應鏈的這個要求之下台灣的廠商反而會有因為飛鴻供應鏈所以部長對下半年台灣的景氣是比較樂觀的甚樂觀的我們認為我們應該是有這樣的機會啦現在看看各個廠商他自己本身接單的能耐跟他的技術的層次\n\n03:13.348 --> 03:24.609\n我順便問一下副總裁好嗎副總裁一樣的問題這個關稅匯率中東戰爭特別是匯率跟這個也有相關的怎麼看待未來這個下半年的經濟狀況\n\n03:26.189 --> 03:44.891\n因為我們在判斷下半年的時候我們是根據目前的資料去判斷所以我們最近的理事會已經修正了我們對那個下半年的一個景氣的看法譬如說我們上半年整個台灣的經濟成長率是5.49左右下半年我們預期大概是0.78\n\n03:46.132 --> 04:15.068\n不過我剛才也提到雖然這個是雖然是下降感覺上下降很多可是我們是在去年同時間4%左右的下半年的經濟成長基礎上面去看說它的成長率只是降緩了一點所以我們整體來講我們預期今年還是3.05%左右的經濟成長所以今年還是可以保三的狀況是沒有問題的我們期望如此那景氣的部分呢剛剛部長是比較部長先回座啦先休息\n\n04:15.851 --> 04:36.525\n部長是稍微比較樂觀的看待審慎樂觀看待那莊銀行這邊呢副總裁這邊呢因為我們也看到就是說台灣的上半年的出口表現很好是因為它提前出貨的問題那下半年我們預期我們的出口成長會稍微減緩因為你的量總是已經超過你外面的需要\n\n04:37.125 --> 04:44.953\n那這一塊可能也會影響到我們的民間投資的部分至於我們預期我們的民間消費其實還是維持一個蠻穩健的溫和成長的情況\n\n04:49.025 --> 05:13.215\n所以溫和成長所以看來中央銀行應該也是採取比較穩健審慎樂觀的態度好那其實接下來很重要的一個部分包括國外也在那個就是其實我們經濟成長率未來的穩定物價甚至擴大內需這個都相當重要那就順著問副總裁比較少機會問到你那接下來其實政院提出來這個特別條例的部分其實對於\n\n05:14.275 --> 05:42.554\n包括我們的產業的支持甚至台電的挹注的部分的話這個其實都相當重要那我想問一下副總裁如果這個沒有的道理我問一下副總裁好了沒關係我先問副總裁好了這個如果沒有得到支持的話對台灣的後續上面會不會產生什麼重大影響因為央行關鍵是整體的物價情況那台電的撥補其實是不是影響到什麼樣程度的物價我覺得還是要看他有沒有調整電價的問題\n\n05:44.755 --> 05:47.957\n這個部分如果沒有得到立法院的支持的話那對我們下半年的狀況會不會產生重大影響我們的電價是4月到9月\n\n06:01.932 --> 06:25.761\n所以如果這個價格因為我們的這個成本沒有得到這個撥補的時候那勢必反映的時機可能就在九月底的這個電價審查委員會他們所做的決定部長你意思是說如果沒有得到支持的話沒有得到支持的話就有可能在電價上面他就會反映出這個成本是嗎\n\n06:26.121 --> 06:47.900\n是那這個委員他們大概就是沒有這個支持說不調價的這樣就變得原來的理由是蔣議員有三回席我也提過就是說我希望的是先不要漲那讓政府來支持這是一個多贏的方案政府的支持讓穩定住物價穩定住電價那對於產業也是好對民生都是好\n\n06:48.420 --> 07:05.792\n這個是一個多盈的方案政府也有多盈餘嘛因為經濟好多盈這是最好的方案那如果你不採用這個方案下去的話有可能導致台電的壓力必須要漲電價這個可能產生對民生對物價對產業都產生衝擊是報告委員我想我們多次的報告裡面就是說\n\n07:07.113 --> 07:22.200\n台電因為現在借錢借的非常的多那麼造成他的這個利息的負擔非常的高而且現在他已經借到一個高度了他在借錢的話那麼變成是他的利息的這個利率會比較高\n\n07:23.160 --> 07:39.831\n那麼今天如果能夠獲得大院的這個支持那麼統一行政院撥補的這一千億那麼各位大院的這個委員都能夠來支持這樣的一個方案的話我相信對我們電價不調整那這些委員他們可能都比較能夠接受\n\n07:40.672 --> 08:04.180\n那我們的電價只要不調整下半年都不調整一直到明年的三月這段時間都不調整的話我們相信對國內的物價指數的平穩是有非常高的幫助啦為什麼因為這個整個的電價的部分衝擊的我們現在雖然這個電價這個具有一點競爭力但是已經來到臨界點\n\n08:05.620 --> 08:23.812\n那台灣是一個出口的國家我們生產的很多東西都要出口如果對這個產業他沒有辦法他必須要付更高的這個價格的時候對他的出口競爭力其實是減弱的二來又剛才大家有在討論這個說匯率的問題雙重之下他可能就\n\n08:24.472 --> 08:47.787\n就因為這樣子而沒有競爭力而導致這些從業人員他的從業人員得到的這些薪資就不足以他在這個市場上面的消費造成這個市場消費的低所以在面對關稅匯率甚至於中東戰爭這些壓力下的時候其實這個穩定住物價穩定住電價會顯得特別重要\n\n08:49.569 --> 09:02.060\n因為他一旦動了這個電價有可能就會讓業者的壓力更加巨大同時對於經濟的衝擊恐怕就更加的生意我想這些都是智庫他們評估出來的一些數據那我們也見請各位委員\n\n09:05.823 --> 09:19.974\n我希望經濟部要加強持續的說明好不好其實要讓更多人知道讓大家知道其實穩住電價穩住物價這件事情是政府很重要的一個工作特別是在現在的這個局勢下其實對我們的產業對我們的這個相當重要那能夠穩住的話其實\n\n09:23.897 --> 09:44.954\n他所投入的這些由政府的盈餘所投入的錢其實反倒會創作出對台灣更有利的一個環境出來這個對台灣是非常重要我希望經濟部加強來做更多的宣傳好不好讓國人更支持讓草野立委們更支持我們會努力我們也希望所有的草野的委員都能夠支持這個一千億的撥步謝謝部長最後一個問題問一下副總裁部長請先休息\n\n09:49.538 --> 10:06.979\n總統其實在我們當時棒球拿到12強冠軍的時候有講到其實我們的500元可以放上發行紀念幣像我們看到很多包括像北愛爾蘭像斐濟都也有發行紀念幣這個部分發行一方面也是這個\n\n10:08.140 --> 10:24.619\n台灣能夠拿到這個棒球的冠軍這真的是不容易啦這是非常不容易的事情那也是值得台灣驕傲的事情那像這樣的事情值得紀念的事情發行特別經過了半年的規劃的副總裁有沒有做後續的一些推動的一個方案\n\n10:27.253 --> 10:44.145\n其實因為長期來講因為我們的新台幣的發行也有一陣子也有二十幾年了所以其實我們內部一直都有在做這樣子新台幣的發行的改版的規劃只是時機成熟或者是我們自然會對外宣布\n\n10:45.771 --> 11:06.111\n我認為如果時間點到的時候其實是可以適度的啦我希望CP企業請中央銀行這邊一個月內提出一個評估啦好不好就是我覺得適當的時間點總統也講了其實也是很難得啦棒球也是台灣的國球很多人喜歡棒球而拿到世界冠軍12強的世界冠軍這個真的是非常的不容易的一件事情\n\n11:07.933 --> 11:25.028\n記載這個榮耀同時間讓我們的進入到我們的貨幣裡面我認為是一個很值得做的事情那在更換的時候不管是更換或者甚至特別發行一個紀念幣我認為其實都可以對國人都是一個振奮同時間也是在例行性要做的範圍內去執行啦我認為中央銀行可以審慎來考慮\n\n11:27.330 --> 11:55.624\n那個報告委員因為其實您剛才秀的是我們的紀念幣嘛冠軍那個就是這一次的紀念幣我們前幾天已經紀念幣有但我講的另外是紙幣裡面就是紙幣的部分我剛講的下一頁來看一下其實在其他的國家也有把他們的很優秀的運動選手甚至很好的表現放入到他們的紙幣裡面那我認為其實我們的不管一百五百一千的其實可以適度的去做一些的那個改版的時候什麼時候\n\n11:56.204 --> 12:24.943\n適度的放入那其實對於整個是非常的提振而且讓更多優秀的運動選手優秀的一些歷史的紀念的一個意義放進來我認為這個是一個好的方向啦但在例行性要更換並不增加太多成本狀況下我認為這是一個非常好的減少政治的意向增加更多人民關注的運動意向或者是相關的藝文意向我認為或者台灣的意向我認為都是好事好不好那個副總裁回去思考一下一個月給我分報告好不好好好謝謝\n\n12:26.065 --> 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東戰爭等壓力之下，其實穩定住物價、穩定住電價會顯得特別重要……"],["郭部長智輝：非常重要，我們真的是期盼各位……"],["賴委員瑞隆：因為一旦動了電價，有可能讓業者的壓力更加巨大，同時對經濟的衝擊恐怕也會更加深遠。"],["郭部長智輝：這些都是智庫們評估出來的數據，我們也建請各位委員能夠同意……"],["賴委員瑞隆：希望經濟部要加強持續的說明，好不好？要讓更多人知道、讓大家知道，穩住電價、穩住物價這件事情是政府很重要的工作，特別是在現在這樣的局勢下，對我們的產業相當重要，由政府盈餘的錢投入來穩住的話，其實反倒會創造出對臺灣更有利的環境出來，這個對臺灣非常重要，希望經濟部加強做更多的宣傳，讓國人更支持，也讓朝野立委們更支持這個經費，好不好？"],["郭部長智輝：是，我們會努力，我們也希望所有朝野委員都能夠支持這1,000億的撥補，謝謝委員。"],["賴委員瑞隆：謝謝部長。最後一個問題請教副總裁，請部長先休息。總統當時在我們的棒球拿到十二強冠軍時，提到希望可以發行500元的紀念幣，其實我們也看到很多例子，包括北愛爾蘭、斐濟等，也都有發行紀念幣，一方面是我們臺灣的棒球能夠拿到冠軍，真的很不容易，也是非常值得臺灣驕傲的事情，像這樣值得紀念的事情，經過了半年的規劃，請問副總裁，你們有沒有進行後續的一些推動方案？"],["嚴副總裁宗大：長期來講，因為我們的新臺幣發行也有一陣子，就是二十幾年了，所以我們內部一直都有在做新臺幣發行改版的規劃，只要時機成熟，我們自然會對外宣布。"],["賴委員瑞隆：我認為如果時間點到了，其實是可以適度調整，請中央銀行一個月內提出一個評估報告，好不好？我覺得是適當的時間點，而且總統也講了，拿到世界十二強賽的冠軍，真的是非常不容易的一件事情，棒球又是我們臺灣的國球，很多人都喜歡棒球，而為了記載這個榮耀，讓它同時間進入到我們的貨幣裡面，我認為是一件很值得做的事情，所以不管是更換，或甚至特別發行紀念幣，我認為對國人而言都是一個振奮，同時也是在例行性要做的範圍去執行，這點，我覺得中央銀行可以審慎考慮。"],["嚴副總裁宗大：報告委員，其實您剛才秀的就是這一次冠軍的紀念幣，我們前幾天已經……"],["賴委員瑞隆：對，紀念幣有，但我講的是另外的紀念鈔、紙幣的部分，其實在其他國家也有把他們很優秀、表現很好的運動選手放入他們的紙幣裡面，我認為不管是100、500或1,000元的紙幣，其實是可以適度做一些改版，適度的把這些放入，對於整個士氣的提振非常有幫助，而且把更多優秀的運動選手、優秀的歷史紀念意義放進來，我認為是一個好的方向，在例行性更換、不增加太多成本的狀況下，我認為這是非常好的；減少政治意象，增加更多人民關注的運動意象、藝文意象，或者是臺灣意象，我認為都是好事，好不好？"],["嚴副總裁宗大：好，謝謝委員。"],["賴委員瑞隆：副總裁回去思考一下，一個月內給我一份報告，好不好？"],["嚴副總裁宗大：好。"],["賴委員瑞隆：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。在邱志偉委員詢答結束後，休息7分鐘。","現在請鄭天財委員做詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":464,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-17","speakers":["謝衣鳯","鄭正鈐","林岱樺","張嘉郡","張啓楷","陳亭妃","賴瑞隆","鄭天財Sra 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