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00:02:58,351\n能夠有效在根據污染源做這個排放減量的占比可以再提高包括不管是電力業、石化業、車輛機具、露天燃燒等等那現在是114年113年到目前也執行了一年多那請問市長目前有沒有比較明確的數據來支撐說我們這樣的方案的執行是能夠達到預期目標的\n\n9\n00:02:59,864 --> 00:03:22,735\n跟委員報告那委員對於空污改善這個部分也能夠理解就是說我們其實全國都全面在改善當中但是對於雲嘉南跟高坪的地區的確改善的結果目前還是這個區域裡面比較高的但是其實這個我們如果看過去這5年來\n\n10\n00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:39,955\n雲嘉嵐跟高屏其實減幅也都不小雲嘉嵐大概減少了21%然後高屏大概減少了14%但是因為它目前的濃度還是比較高的但是跟我們今天關心的這個\n\n11\n00:03:41,417 --> 00:04:02,118\n0.1其實就未必是這樣的結果那當然我們現在講的是PM2.5那PM2.5我們就會針對PM2.5的產生源然後提出這個移除解決的對策所以雲嘉嵐跟高雄這個部分我們過去就是空氣污染物就是主要就是來自於工廠的部分來自於移動污染源的部分\n\n12\n00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:21,411\n來自於義山污染源部分那當然有時候也會受到一些境外的影響等等那我們事先知道會有一些預警的時候我們會提醒這個工地啊或者是有一些排放員啊必須要降載等等我們希望透過這些機制來讓他這個\n\n13\n00:04:24,433 --> 00:04:51,653\n會超標的這個紅色戰日數能夠降低我們做的大概是這些事情但是我們仍然會朝著持續全國各區平均往下走往下走的方式去所以我們才會訂出一個目標我們要達到12達到10達到8達到5我們有逐年分年的目標當然你必須要有這樣的願景我們知道達到5那真的是一個很難全球大概都要做到才有可能\n\n14\n00:04:53,255 --> 00:05:13,075\n其實我的用意就是說因為我們有一定的目標而且有一定的路徑才有辦法達到最後的成果2.5當初也是非常努力從10變成2.5的努力過程本來是預定到1後來又提前到0.1這樣的一個訴求所以\n\n15\n00:05:13,655 --> 00:05:32,925\n如果我們有一定的路徑未來跟隨這樣的路徑機會就會相對高一點這個就是我們希望透過這些討論也讓市長提供一些參考市長是最後面的專家謝謝委員謝謝委員就是說其實我們在去年底啟動了這一個全國對空氣品質的許願\n\n16\n00:05:35,246 --> 00:05:49,582\n那我們也收集了319則民眾的這個對於空氣品質的一個祈禱或者說一個願望那我們也因為這樣我們擬了這個空品白皮書我們在今年的5月16號就發布了\n\n17\n00:05:50,123 --> 00:06:11,682\n那其實我們現在正式一個就是6月12到7月12之間全國我們徵詢大家的意見包括今天的質詢委員給我們的意見我們都會把它納入就是說將來未來10年我們的台灣的空氣品質到底要走到哪個方向那包括我們今天的重要的主題就是超細懸浮微粒一定會擺在這裡面對超細懸浮微粒是0.1這個定義是很清楚的\n\n18\n00:06:15,265 --> 00:06:41,643\n那我今天看了教育部的報告裡面其實也有提到有關於校園設置綠牆的部分這個對我來講覺得是非常有亮點的一個執行的方案那我們也看到108年到112年環境部其實也執行過相關的這個計畫來做示範區的處理那不知道最後的成果是如何那我們也希望這個經濟\n\n19\n00:06:43,765 --> 00:06:57,885\n這個清淨空氣綠牆的計畫可以能夠有效的如果是之前的事辦成果良好的話因為不只是學校尤其包括這個年長者或者是相關的這些比較\n\n20\n00:06:58,946 --> 00:07:21,526\n需要長照的機構如果能夠來設置的話因為我們知道兩個年齡群一個是兒童的呼吸道的敏感度是高的長者或是長照的需求是高的所以如果這個空氣力強計畫能夠再有效處理的話很希望它能夠發揮這部分的效應不知道這邊市長有沒有相關的計畫在推行\n\n21\n00:07:22,006 --> 00:07:36,082\n因為我們過去我們很關心中部包括南部那我們在這個中部跟南部的幾個學校裡面我們都有綠牆的一個計畫在進行其實效果是好的\n\n22\n00:07:36,823 --> 00:08:03,182\n包括當時我們在像雲林裡我們有導入所謂的新風系統等等我們重點就是希望改善在教室裡面的小朋友們他們的這些學生他們的這一個空氣的一個品質我們透過這樣的一個方式那現在是不是進一步把它擴展到像長道機構等等這個部分我們把它納入園域等於是委員你今天也許了一個願我們把它送進來好當成我們的許願詞\n\n23\n00:08:05,643 --> 00:08:33,881\n好謝謝謝謝次長那針對PM的對健康的影響大家都很清楚這個跟顆粒的大小有非常密切的關係那我自己本身是來自一個醫界對健康的維護也特別敏感我們在PM時對呼吸道的刺激主要就是針對比較黏膜表層會明顯的影響到引起氣喘跟直氣管疾病那如果是2.5的話容易引起肺部發炎還有慢性\n\n24\n00:08:34,501 --> 00:08:49,471\n阻塞性的肺病為主那如果是PM1的話就會比較深入到肺部裡面加劇呼吸道的問題導致全身性的發炎那如果是0.1的話可能更危險這個可以理解\n\n25\n00:08:50,191 --> 00:09:09,723\n這些那麼超微細的顆粒會穿越這個細胞的屏障進入到全身的血液循環影響到大腦肝臟跟腎臟等等的這個就是目前我們所擔心未來對健康的影響當然這個驗證需要持續的透過這些醫學研究讓民眾可以更理解這個0.1%的影響\n\n26\n00:09:12,225 --> 00:09:40,965\n那今天我們也看到這個PM0.1納入空品政策的白皮書裡面就是我們看到這個白皮書不過跟市長報告一下其實這裡面是有提到超選府違例可是他其實都沒有提到0.1可能當初在編這個白皮書的時候還沒有把這個0.1當作一些想要設定的部分這可能到時候再麻煩因為我們過去都是到2.5嘛那我們那個時候是\n\n27\n00:09:41,766 --> 00:10:00,579\n把1放進來了那現在大家談的都是0.1嘛那這個一定會是我們未來的重點對所以那個重點就變成說那從科學的角度來看我們如何能夠啟動這個科學模式的推顧就變得非常非常的重要任何的事情的進步一定要有科學的依據\n\n28\n00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:30,840\n那我們也知道之前在PM2.5的部分是透過AERMOD的這個本土化的模式來建構這樣的這些了解知道說PM2.5這個26%來自於這個益善源47%來自於境外傳輸等等那未來我們在啟動這個PM0.1的研究過程當中還是希望有一個科學模式的推估那目前這個推估\n\n29\n00:10:32,921 --> 00:10:43,445\n將來會怎麼執行可能還會請次長這邊來做進一步的這些報告以外那我們也看到說目前的空氣全國空氣品質的指標裡面\n\n30\n00:10:46,884 --> 00:10:58,401\n還沒有0.1這個相次當然是還沒有好的模型或者是政策方式不知道這個指標什麼時候有機會把PM0.1也放進來跟委員報告因為\n\n31\n00:11:02,426 --> 00:11:22,877\n歐盟也是在去年的11月才要求會員國在兩年之內要設監測站那他們監測站的密度其實今天大家都在談說我們是不是要增加一些站啊怎麼樣怎麼樣每間市都要設啊其實他們是每人口一千萬人才需要設一站如果以這個標準台灣設三站就好了但是我們當然不會是這個樣子\n\n32\n00:11:24,638 --> 00:11:43,619\n開始要去設監測站取得監測的數據是注意做研究那做研究之後接下來找出這個污染的成因跟來源之後擬定政策去管制目前歐盟或者是這個世界衛生組織也都沒有做任何的管制標準的建議\n\n33\n00:11:44,560 --> 00:12:12,792\n那不是在知音裡面提醒大家要注意這個PM0.1那現在其實我們台灣的很多學界或者是健康組織他們已經開始在關心這個問題那環境部也把他拉進來了我們在102年就已經跟台大管公所蕭老師這邊有一個計畫在進行一直持續著那我想除了台北之外台中高雄這個部分我們也都會去加強做資料的監測跟蒐集那接下來我們就會擬定政策來執行\n\n34\n00:12:13,732 --> 00:12:36,190\nOK好如果將來有全國空氣品質指標把這個PM0.1也納進來的話我想這個就是走在世界最前端也讓民眾對於這個PM0.1真的會影響到我們體內的這個部分可以有更知道怎麼去保障自己的健康尤其是呼吸道包括全身的防護的部分\n\n35\n00:12:36,730 --> 00:13:04,132\n那最後一個部分就是有關於這個空氣污染防治基金管理會如何能夠把這個醫學跟公衛的領域代表也納進來這個部分之前其實有跟彭部長討論過這個問題我們期待說在這個部分有能夠把這個相關的代表也希望讓他在這個管理會裡面發揮他的作用那部長那個時候也認為說的確有這個需要\n\n36\n00:13:06,914 --> 00:13:24,500\n讓這樣的這個管理會的代表可以更多元的同時也希望能夠發揮它的作用我們也知道目前的這個基金會裡面管理會裡面的代表是有不同的這個\n\n37\n00:13:26,181 --> 00:13:40,954\n代表包括目前的委員設計的17到23人其中是有一些相關的機關代表、專家、學者跟民間團體可是很湊巧\n\n38\n00:13:43,676 --> 00:14:11,607\n之前好像對於這個醫療或者是公衛的部分沒有那麼樣的去確認說未來這個環境尤其是空污的影響造成了這些不管是疾病上的或者是這個公共衛生帶來的衝擊所以並沒有把相關的這個專家學者納為這個委員之一那這部分可能也要麻煩是不是能夠有機會請部長或者是請次長這邊來考量\n\n39\n00:14:13,428 --> 00:14:27,044\n跟委員報告一下那我們這一次我們空污基金管理會我們委員到任期屆滿之後我們已經有新聘了準備新聘那目前的現在裡面就已經有了吧\n\n40\n00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:47,883\n目前有一位台大的公衛的教授那未來也一定會把他在那就不一定是他但是就是說一定會有公衛領域的或是醫療領域的學者專家在裡面謝謝委員的提醒因為我們根據氣候變遷因應法第四條裡面其實在第八款是有\n\n41\n00:14:48,764 --> 00:15:08,743\n談到這個氣候變遷因應的協調、研擬跟推動事項這個都需要相關的專家或者是學者一起來努力我們往下看也知道其實衛福部也針對這個因應氣候變遷也出現做一個政策白皮書所以基本上如果有把這些\n\n42\n00:15:09,924 --> 00:15:20,194\n重要的委員代表都能夠納到這個基金會的話相信就能夠讓整體的處理可以更為周全好那以上就麻煩部裡面來參考謝謝好謝謝王委員謝謝市長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8314\t11362\t好 謝謝主席我們就麻煩省次長來 次長\n18552\t34222\t市長好 今天早上有聽您的口頭報告知道針對於今天的主題要從相關的空氣品質希望能夠符合歐盟的期待原來我們在監測的PM2.5希望能夠有機會進展到PM0.1的部分\n41647\t56882\t早上我也蠻多都提到怎麼去精進未來的監測這個是很重要的所以今天用三個相關的內容來跟市長做討論包括檢視PM2.5減量的成效跟區域的落差\n58041\t83070\t第二部分就是PM0.1的建設這是一個願景那個願景從建設行動如何能夠有效縮短這個距離這是我們的第二部分那第三個部分我們也了解其實空屋對於這個我們人體的影響是蠻明顯的那未來在管理這個空屋跟溫管基金的部分能不能夠演繹也把這個醫學公會的代表\n83530\t102999\t那為重要的成員包括這個衛護部是不是應該也是一個重要的主管機關那我們就往下看我們也知道我們環境部這幾年非常努力的希望能夠改善空屋那也看到了具體的成果目前已經能夠有效的從這個原來的105年的20\n107043\t131202\t減低到去年的12.8 這個是非常明顯的成效可是我們也知道其實還是存在著蠻明顯的區域性的差異包括看到這個宜蘭 花東空氣品質就特別好那北部也還不錯竹苗也都還可以 那中部相對差一點那更不好的地方就是雲加南 包括這個\n133463\t148696\t雲嘉蘭的空瓶是17.4的PM05的濃度那高瓶是17.0那未來我們也了解說希望能夠在113年到116年當中執行了空氣污染防治方案裡面\n149457\t178351\t能夠有效在根據污染源做這個排放減量的占比可以再提高包括不管是電力業、石化業、車輛機具、露天燃燒等等那現在是114年113年到目前也執行了一年多那請問市長目前有沒有比較明確的數據來支撐說我們這樣的方案的執行是能夠達到預期目標的\n179864\t202735\t跟委員報告那委員對於空污改善這個部分也能夠理解就是說我們其實全國都全面在改善當中但是對於雲嘉南跟高坪的地區的確改善的結果目前還是這個區域裡面比較高的但是其實這個我們如果看過去這5年來\n204537\t219955\t雲嘉嵐跟高屏其實減幅也都不小雲嘉嵐大概減少了21%然後高屏大概減少了14%但是因為它目前的濃度還是比較高的但是跟我們今天關心的這個\n221417\t242118\t0.1其實就未必是這樣的結果那當然我們現在講的是PM2.5那PM2.5我們就會針對PM2.5的產生源然後提出這個移除解決的對策所以雲嘉嵐跟高雄這個部分我們過去就是空氣污染物就是主要就是來自於工廠的部分來自於移動污染源的部分\n243159\t261411\t來自於義山污染源部分那當然有時候也會受到一些境外的影響等等那我們事先知道會有一些預警的時候我們會提醒這個工地啊或者是有一些排放員啊必須要降載等等我們希望透過這些機制來讓他這個\n264433\t291653\t會超標的這個紅色戰日數能夠降低我們做的大概是這些事情但是我們仍然會朝著持續全國各區平均往下走往下走的方式去所以我們才會訂出一個目標我們要達到12達到10達到8達到5我們有逐年分年的目標當然你必須要有這樣的願景我們知道達到5那真的是一個很難全球大概都要做到才有可能\n293255\t313075\t其實我的用意就是說因為我們有一定的目標而且有一定的路徑才有辦法達到最後的成果2.5當初也是非常努力從10變成2.5的努力過程本來是預定到1後來又提前到0.1這樣的一個訴求所以\n313655\t332925\t如果我們有一定的路徑未來跟隨這樣的路徑機會就會相對高一點這個就是我們希望透過這些討論也讓市長提供一些參考市長是最後面的專家謝謝委員 謝謝委員就是說其實我們在去年底啟動了這一個全國對空氣品質的許願\n335246\t349582\t那我們也收集了319則民眾的這個對於空氣品質的一個祈禱或者說一個願望那我們也因為這樣我們擬了這個空品白皮書我們在今年的5月16號就發布了\n350123\t371682\t那其實我們現在正式一個就是6月12到7月12之間全國我們徵詢大家的意見包括今天的質詢委員給我們的意見我們都會把它納入就是說將來未來10年我們的台灣的空氣品質到底要走到哪個方向那包括我們今天的重要的主題就是超細懸浮微粒一定會擺在這裡面對 超細懸浮微粒是0.1這個定義是很清楚的\n375265\t401643\t那我今天看了教育部的報告裡面其實也有提到有關於校園設置綠牆的部分這個對我來講覺得是非常有亮點的一個執行的方案那我們也看到108年到112年環境部其實也執行過相關的這個計畫來做示範區的處理那不知道最後的成果是如何那我們也希望這個經濟\n403765\t417885\t這個清淨空氣綠牆的計畫可以能夠有效的如果是之前的事辦成果良好的話因為不只是學校尤其包括這個年長者或者是相關的這些比較\n418946\t441526\t需要長照的機構如果能夠來設置的話因為我們知道兩個年齡群一個是兒童的呼吸道的敏感度是高的長者或是長照的需求是高的所以如果這個空氣力強計畫能夠再有效處理的話很希望它能夠發揮這部分的效應不知道這邊市長有沒有相關的計畫在推行\n442006\t456082\t因為我們過去我們很關心中部包括南部那我們在這個中部跟南部的幾個學校裡面我們都有綠牆的一個計畫在進行其實效果是好的\n456823\t483182\t包括當時我們在像雲林裡我們有導入所謂的新風系統等等我們重點就是希望改善在教室裡面的小朋友們他們的這些學生他們的這一個空氣的一個品質我們透過這樣的一個方式那現在是不是進一步把它擴展到像長道機構等等這個部分我們把它納入園域等於是委員你今天也許了一個願我們把它送進來好 當成我們的許願詞\n485643\t513881\t好謝謝謝謝次長那針對PM的對健康的影響大家都很清楚這個跟顆粒的大小有非常密切的關係那我自己本身是來自一個醫界對健康的維護也特別敏感我們在PM時對呼吸道的刺激主要就是針對比較黏膜表層會明顯的影響到引起氣喘跟直氣管疾病那如果是2.5的話容易引起肺部發炎還有慢性\n514501\t529471\t阻塞性的肺病為主那如果是PM1的話就會比較深入到肺部裡面加劇呼吸道的問題導致全身性的發炎那如果是0.1的話可能更危險這個可以理解\n530191\t549723\t這些那麼超微細的顆粒會穿越這個細胞的屏障進入到全身的血液循環影響到大腦肝臟跟腎臟等等的這個就是目前我們所擔心未來對健康的影響當然這個驗證需要持續的透過這些醫學研究讓民眾可以更理解這個0.1%的影響\n552225\t580965\t那今天我們也看到這個PM0.1納入空品政策的白皮書裡面就是我們看到這個白皮書不過跟市長報告一下其實這裡面是有提到超選府違例可是他其實都沒有提到0.1可能當初在編這個白皮書的時候還沒有把這個0.1當作一些想要設定的部分這可能到時候再麻煩因為我們過去都是到2.5嘛那我們那個時候是\n581766\t600579\t把1放進來了那現在大家談的都是0.1嘛那這個一定會是我們未來的重點對 所以那個重點就變成說那從科學的角度來看我們如何能夠啟動這個科學模式的推顧就變得非常非常的重要任何的事情的進步一定要有科學的依據\n601400\t630840\t那我們也知道之前在PM2.5的部分是透過AER MOD的這個本土化的模式來建構這樣的這些了解知道說PM2.5這個26%來自於這個益善源47%來自於境外傳輸等等那未來我們在啟動這個PM0.1的研究過程當中還是希望有一個科學模式的推估那目前這個推估\n632921\t643445\t將來會怎麼執行可能還會請次長這邊來做進一步的這些報告以外那我們也看到說目前的空氣全國空氣品質的指標裡面\n646884\t658401\t還沒有0.1這個相次當然是還沒有好的模型或者是政策方式不知道這個指標什麼時候有機會把PM0.1也放進來跟委員報告因為\n662426\t682877\t歐盟也是在去年的11月才要求會員國在兩年之內要設監測站那他們監測站的密度其實今天大家都在談說我們是不是要增加一些站啊怎麼樣怎麼樣每間市都要設啊其實他們是每人口一千萬人才需要設一站如果以這個標準台灣設三站就好了但是我們當然不會是這個樣子\n684638\t703619\t開始要去設監測站取得監測的數據是注意做研究那做研究之後接下來找出這個污染的成因跟來源之後擬定政策去管制目前歐盟或者是這個世界衛生組織也都沒有做任何的管制標準的建議\n704560\t732792\t那不是在知音裡面提醒大家要注意這個PM0.1那現在其實我們台灣的很多學界或者是健康組織他們已經開始在關心這個問題那環境部也把他拉進來了我們在102年就已經跟台大管公所蕭老師這邊有一個計畫在進行一直持續著那我想除了台北之外台中高雄這個部分我們也都會去加強做資料的監測跟蒐集那接下來我們就會擬定政策來執行\n733732\t756190\tOK 好 如果將來有全國空氣品質指標把這個PM0.1也納進來的話我想這個就是走在世界最前端也讓民眾對於這個PM0.1真的會影響到我們體內的這個部分可以有更知道怎麼去保障自己的健康尤其是呼吸道 包括全身的防護的部分\n756730\t784132\t那最後一個部分就是有關於這個空氣污染防治基金管理會如何能夠把這個醫學跟公衛的領域代表也納進來這個部分之前其實有跟彭部長討論過這個問題我們期待說在這個部分有能夠把這個相關的代表也希望讓他在這個管理會裡面發揮他的作用那部長那個時候也認為說的確有這個需要\n786914\t804500\t讓這樣的這個管理會的代表可以更多元的同時也希望能夠發揮它的作用我們也知道目前的這個基金會裡面管理會裡面的代表是有不同的這個\n806181\t820954\t代表包括目前的委員設計的17到23人其中是有一些相關的機關代表、專家、學者跟民間團體可是很湊巧\n823676\t851607\t之前好像對於這個醫療或者是公衛的部分沒有那麼樣的去確認說未來這個環境尤其是空污的影響造成了這些不管是疾病上的或者是這個公共衛生帶來的衝擊所以並沒有把相關的這個專家學者納為這個委員之一那這部分可能也要麻煩是不是能夠有機會請部長或者是請次長這邊來考量\n853428\t867044\t跟委員報告一下那我們這一次我們空污基金管理會我們委員到任期屆滿之後我們已經有新聘了準備新聘那目前的現在裡面就已經有了吧\n868001\t887883\t目前有一位台大的公衛的教授那未來也一定會把他在那就不一定是他但是就是說一定會有公衛領域的或是醫療領域的學者專家在裡面謝謝委員的提醒因為我們根據氣候變遷因應法第四條裡面其實在第八款是有\n888764\t908743\t談到這個氣候變遷因應的協調、研擬跟推動事項這個都需要相關的專家或者是學者一起來努力我們往下看也知道其實衛福部也針對這個因應氣候變遷也出現做一個政策白皮書所以基本上如果有把這些\n909924\t920194\t重要的委員代表都能夠納到這個基金會的話相信就能夠讓整體的處理可以更為周全好 那以上就麻煩部裡面來參考 謝謝好 謝謝王委員 謝謝市長\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我們就麻煩省次長來 次長\n市長好 今天早上有聽您的口頭報告知道針對於今天的主題要從相關的空氣品質希望能夠符合歐盟的期待原來我們在監測的PM2.5希望能夠有機會進展到PM0.1的部分\n早上我也蠻多都提到怎麼去精進未來的監測這個是很重要的所以今天用三個相關的內容來跟市長做討論包括檢視PM2.5減量的成效跟區域的落差\n第二部分就是PM0.1的建設這是一個願景那個願景從建設行動如何能夠有效縮短這個距離這是我們的第二部分那第三個部分我們也了解其實空屋對於這個我們人體的影響是蠻明顯的那未來在管理這個空屋跟溫管基金的部分能不能夠演繹也把這個醫學公會的代表\n那為重要的成員包括這個衛護部是不是應該也是一個重要的主管機關那我們就往下看我們也知道我們環境部這幾年非常努力的希望能夠改善空屋那也看到了具體的成果目前已經能夠有效的從這個原來的105年的20\n減低到去年的12.8 這個是非常明顯的成效可是我們也知道其實還是存在著蠻明顯的區域性的差異包括看到這個宜蘭 花東空氣品質就特別好那北部也還不錯竹苗也都還可以 那中部相對差一點那更不好的地方就是雲加南 包括這個\n雲嘉蘭的空瓶是17.4的PM05的濃度那高瓶是17.0那未來我們也了解說希望能夠在113年到116年當中執行了空氣污染防治方案裡面\n能夠有效在根據污染源做這個排放減量的占比可以再提高包括不管是電力業、石化業、車輛機具、露天燃燒等等那現在是114年113年到目前也執行了一年多那請問市長目前有沒有比較明確的數據來支撐說我們這樣的方案的執行是能夠達到預期目標的\n跟委員報告那委員對於空污改善這個部分也能夠理解就是說我們其實全國都全面在改善當中但是對於雲嘉南跟高坪的地區的確改善的結果目前還是這個區域裡面比較高的但是其實這個我們如果看過去這5年來\n雲嘉嵐跟高屏其實減幅也都不小雲嘉嵐大概減少了21%然後高屏大概減少了14%但是因為它目前的濃度還是比較高的但是跟我們今天關心的這個\n0.1其實就未必是這樣的結果那當然我們現在講的是PM2.5那PM2.5我們就會針對PM2.5的產生源然後提出這個移除解決的對策所以雲嘉嵐跟高雄這個部分我們過去就是空氣污染物就是主要就是來自於工廠的部分來自於移動污染源的部分\n來自於義山污染源部分那當然有時候也會受到一些境外的影響等等那我們事先知道會有一些預警的時候我們會提醒這個工地啊或者是有一些排放員啊必須要降載等等我們希望透過這些機制來讓他這個\n會超標的這個紅色戰日數能夠降低我們做的大概是這些事情但是我們仍然會朝著持續全國各區平均往下走往下走的方式去所以我們才會訂出一個目標我們要達到12達到10達到8達到5我們有逐年分年的目標當然你必須要有這樣的願景我們知道達到5那真的是一個很難全球大概都要做到才有可能\n其實我的用意就是說因為我們有一定的目標而且有一定的路徑才有辦法達到最後的成果2.5當初也是非常努力從10變成2.5的努力過程本來是預定到1後來又提前到0.1這樣的一個訴求所以\n如果我們有一定的路徑未來跟隨這樣的路徑機會就會相對高一點這個就是我們希望透過這些討論也讓市長提供一些參考市長是最後面的專家謝謝委員 謝謝委員就是說其實我們在去年底啟動了這一個全國對空氣品質的許願\n那我們也收集了319則民眾的這個對於空氣品質的一個祈禱或者說一個願望那我們也因為這樣我們擬了這個空品白皮書我們在今年的5月16號就發布了\n那其實我們現在正式一個就是6月12到7月12之間全國我們徵詢大家的意見包括今天的質詢委員給我們的意見我們都會把它納入就是說將來未來10年我們的台灣的空氣品質到底要走到哪個方向那包括我們今天的重要的主題就是超細懸浮微粒一定會擺在這裡面對 超細懸浮微粒是0.1這個定義是很清楚的\n那我今天看了教育部的報告裡面其實也有提到有關於校園設置綠牆的部分這個對我來講覺得是非常有亮點的一個執行的方案那我們也看到108年到112年環境部其實也執行過相關的這個計畫來做示範區的處理那不知道最後的成果是如何那我們也希望這個經濟\n這個清淨空氣綠牆的計畫可以能夠有效的如果是之前的事辦成果良好的話因為不只是學校尤其包括這個年長者或者是相關的這些比較\n需要長照的機構如果能夠來設置的話因為我們知道兩個年齡群一個是兒童的呼吸道的敏感度是高的長者或是長照的需求是高的所以如果這個空氣力強計畫能夠再有效處理的話很希望它能夠發揮這部分的效應不知道這邊市長有沒有相關的計畫在推行\n因為我們過去我們很關心中部包括南部那我們在這個中部跟南部的幾個學校裡面我們都有綠牆的一個計畫在進行其實效果是好的\n包括當時我們在像雲林裡我們有導入所謂的新風系統等等我們重點就是希望改善在教室裡面的小朋友們他們的這些學生他們的這一個空氣的一個品質我們透過這樣的一個方式那現在是不是進一步把它擴展到像長道機構等等這個部分我們把它納入園域等於是委員你今天也許了一個願我們把它送進來好 當成我們的許願詞\n好謝謝謝謝次長那針對PM的對健康的影響大家都很清楚這個跟顆粒的大小有非常密切的關係那我自己本身是來自一個醫界對健康的維護也特別敏感我們在PM時對呼吸道的刺激主要就是針對比較黏膜表層會明顯的影響到引起氣喘跟直氣管疾病那如果是2.5的話容易引起肺部發炎還有慢性\n阻塞性的肺病為主那如果是PM1的話就會比較深入到肺部裡面加劇呼吸道的問題導致全身性的發炎那如果是0.1的話可能更危險這個可以理解\n這些那麼超微細的顆粒會穿越這個細胞的屏障進入到全身的血液循環影響到大腦肝臟跟腎臟等等的這個就是目前我們所擔心未來對健康的影響當然這個驗證需要持續的透過這些醫學研究讓民眾可以更理解這個0.1%的影響\n那今天我們也看到這個PM0.1納入空品政策的白皮書裡面就是我們看到這個白皮書不過跟市長報告一下其實這裡面是有提到超選府違例可是他其實都沒有提到0.1可能當初在編這個白皮書的時候還沒有把這個0.1當作一些想要設定的部分這可能到時候再麻煩因為我們過去都是到2.5嘛那我們那個時候是\n把1放進來了那現在大家談的都是0.1嘛那這個一定會是我們未來的重點對 所以那個重點就變成說那從科學的角度來看我們如何能夠啟動這個科學模式的推顧就變得非常非常的重要任何的事情的進步一定要有科學的依據\n那我們也知道之前在PM2.5的部分是透過AER MOD的這個本土化的模式來建構這樣的這些了解知道說PM2.5這個26%來自於這個益善源47%來自於境外傳輸等等那未來我們在啟動這個PM0.1的研究過程當中還是希望有一個科學模式的推估那目前這個推估\n將來會怎麼執行可能還會請次長這邊來做進一步的這些報告以外那我們也看到說目前的空氣全國空氣品質的指標裡面\n還沒有0.1這個相次當然是還沒有好的模型或者是政策方式不知道這個指標什麼時候有機會把PM0.1也放進來跟委員報告因為\n歐盟也是在去年的11月才要求會員國在兩年之內要設監測站那他們監測站的密度其實今天大家都在談說我們是不是要增加一些站啊怎麼樣怎麼樣每間市都要設啊其實他們是每人口一千萬人才需要設一站如果以這個標準台灣設三站就好了但是我們當然不會是這個樣子\n開始要去設監測站取得監測的數據是注意做研究那做研究之後接下來找出這個污染的成因跟來源之後擬定政策去管制目前歐盟或者是這個世界衛生組織也都沒有做任何的管制標準的建議\n那不是在知音裡面提醒大家要注意這個PM0.1那現在其實我們台灣的很多學界或者是健康組織他們已經開始在關心這個問題那環境部也把他拉進來了我們在102年就已經跟台大管公所蕭老師這邊有一個計畫在進行一直持續著那我想除了台北之外台中高雄這個部分我們也都會去加強做資料的監測跟蒐集那接下來我們就會擬定政策來執行\nOK 好 如果將來有全國空氣品質指標把這個PM0.1也納進來的話我想這個就是走在世界最前端也讓民眾對於這個PM0.1真的會影響到我們體內的這個部分可以有更知道怎麼去保障自己的健康尤其是呼吸道 包括全身的防護的部分\n那最後一個部分就是有關於這個空氣污染防治基金管理會如何能夠把這個醫學跟公衛的領域代表也納進來這個部分之前其實有跟彭部長討論過這個問題我們期待說在這個部分有能夠把這個相關的代表也希望讓他在這個管理會裡面發揮他的作用那部長那個時候也認為說的確有這個需要\n讓這樣的這個管理會的代表可以更多元的同時也希望能夠發揮它的作用我們也知道目前的這個基金會裡面管理會裡面的代表是有不同的這個\n代表包括目前的委員設計的17到23人其中是有一些相關的機關代表、專家、學者跟民間團體可是很湊巧\n之前好像對於這個醫療或者是公衛的部分沒有那麼樣的去確認說未來這個環境尤其是空污的影響造成了這些不管是疾病上的或者是這個公共衛生帶來的衝擊所以並沒有把相關的這個專家學者納為這個委員之一那這部分可能也要麻煩是不是能夠有機會請部長或者是請次長這邊來考量\n跟委員報告一下那我們這一次我們空污基金管理會我們委員到任期屆滿之後我們已經有新聘了準備新聘那目前的現在裡面就已經有了吧\n目前有一位台大的公衛的教授那未來也一定會把他在那就不一定是他但是就是說一定會有公衛領域的或是醫療領域的學者專家在裡面謝謝委員的提醒因為我們根據氣候變遷因應法第四條裡面其實在第八款是有\n談到這個氣候變遷因應的協調、研擬跟推動事項這個都需要相關的專家或者是學者一起來努力我們往下看也知道其實衛福部也針對這個因應氣候變遷也出現做一個政策白皮書所以基本上如果有把這些\n重要的委員代表都能夠納到這個基金會的話相信就能夠讓整體的處理可以更為周全好 那以上就麻煩部裡面來參考 謝謝好 謝謝王委員 謝謝市長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.314 --> 00:11.362\n好謝謝主席我們就麻煩省次長來次長\n\n00:18.552 --> 00:34.222\n市長好今天早上有聽您的口頭報告知道針對於今天的主題要從相關的空氣品質希望能夠符合歐盟的期待原來我們在監測的PM2.5希望能夠有機會進展到PM0.1的部分\n\n00:41.647 --> 00:56.882\n早上我也蠻多都提到怎麼去精進未來的監測這個是很重要的所以今天用三個相關的內容來跟市長做討論包括檢視PM2.5減量的成效跟區域的落差\n\n00:58.041 --> 01:23.070\n第二部分就是PM0.1的建設這是一個願景那個願景從建設行動如何能夠有效縮短這個距離這是我們的第二部分那第三個部分我們也了解其實空屋對於這個我們人體的影響是蠻明顯的那未來在管理這個空屋跟溫管基金的部分能不能夠演繹也把這個醫學公會的代表\n\n01:23.530 --> 01:42.999\n那為重要的成員包括這個衛護部是不是應該也是一個重要的主管機關那我們就往下看我們也知道我們環境部這幾年非常努力的希望能夠改善空屋那也看到了具體的成果目前已經能夠有效的從這個原來的105年的20\n\n01:47.043 --> 02:11.202\n減低到去年的12.8這個是非常明顯的成效可是我們也知道其實還是存在著蠻明顯的區域性的差異包括看到這個宜蘭花東空氣品質就特別好那北部也還不錯竹苗也都還可以那中部相對差一點那更不好的地方就是雲加南包括這個\n\n02:13.463 --> 02:28.696\n雲嘉蘭的空瓶是17.4的PM05的濃度那高瓶是17.0那未來我們也了解說希望能夠在113年到116年當中執行了空氣污染防治方案裡面\n\n02:29.457 --> 02:58.351\n能夠有效在根據污染源做這個排放減量的占比可以再提高包括不管是電力業、石化業、車輛機具、露天燃燒等等那現在是114年113年到目前也執行了一年多那請問市長目前有沒有比較明確的數據來支撐說我們這樣的方案的執行是能夠達到預期目標的\n\n02:59.864 --> 03:22.735\n跟委員報告那委員對於空污改善這個部分也能夠理解就是說我們其實全國都全面在改善當中但是對於雲嘉南跟高坪的地區的確改善的結果目前還是這個區域裡面比較高的但是其實這個我們如果看過去這5年來\n\n03:24.537 --> 03:39.955\n雲嘉嵐跟高屏其實減幅也都不小雲嘉嵐大概減少了21%然後高屏大概減少了14%但是因為它目前的濃度還是比較高的但是跟我們今天關心的這個\n\n03:41.417 --> 04:02.118\n0.1其實就未必是這樣的結果那當然我們現在講的是PM2.5那PM2.5我們就會針對PM2.5的產生源然後提出這個移除解決的對策所以雲嘉嵐跟高雄這個部分我們過去就是空氣污染物就是主要就是來自於工廠的部分來自於移動污染源的部分\n\n04:03.159 --> 04:21.411\n來自於義山污染源部分那當然有時候也會受到一些境外的影響等等那我們事先知道會有一些預警的時候我們會提醒這個工地啊或者是有一些排放員啊必須要降載等等我們希望透過這些機制來讓他這個\n\n04:24.433 --> 04:51.653\n會超標的這個紅色戰日數能夠降低我們做的大概是這些事情但是我們仍然會朝著持續全國各區平均往下走往下走的方式去所以我們才會訂出一個目標我們要達到12達到10達到8達到5我們有逐年分年的目標當然你必須要有這樣的願景我們知道達到5那真的是一個很難全球大概都要做到才有可能\n\n04:53.255 --> 05:13.075\n其實我的用意就是說因為我們有一定的目標而且有一定的路徑才有辦法達到最後的成果2.5當初也是非常努力從10變成2.5的努力過程本來是預定到1後來又提前到0.1這樣的一個訴求所以\n\n05:13.655 --> 05:32.925\n如果我們有一定的路徑未來跟隨這樣的路徑機會就會相對高一點這個就是我們希望透過這些討論也讓市長提供一些參考市長是最後面的專家謝謝委員謝謝委員就是說其實我們在去年底啟動了這一個全國對空氣品質的許願\n\n05:35.246 --> 05:49.582\n那我們也收集了319則民眾的這個對於空氣品質的一個祈禱或者說一個願望那我們也因為這樣我們擬了這個空品白皮書我們在今年的5月16號就發布了\n\n05:50.123 --> 06:11.682\n那其實我們現在正式一個就是6月12到7月12之間全國我們徵詢大家的意見包括今天的質詢委員給我們的意見我們都會把它納入就是說將來未來10年我們的台灣的空氣品質到底要走到哪個方向那包括我們今天的重要的主題就是超細懸浮微粒一定會擺在這裡面對超細懸浮微粒是0.1這個定義是很清楚的\n\n06:15.265 --> 06:41.643\n那我今天看了教育部的報告裡面其實也有提到有關於校園設置綠牆的部分這個對我來講覺得是非常有亮點的一個執行的方案那我們也看到108年到112年環境部其實也執行過相關的這個計畫來做示範區的處理那不知道最後的成果是如何那我們也希望這個經濟\n\n06:43.765 --> 06:57.885\n這個清淨空氣綠牆的計畫可以能夠有效的如果是之前的事辦成果良好的話因為不只是學校尤其包括這個年長者或者是相關的這些比較\n\n06:58.946 --> 07:21.526\n需要長照的機構如果能夠來設置的話因為我們知道兩個年齡群一個是兒童的呼吸道的敏感度是高的長者或是長照的需求是高的所以如果這個空氣力強計畫能夠再有效處理的話很希望它能夠發揮這部分的效應不知道這邊市長有沒有相關的計畫在推行\n\n07:22.006 --> 07:36.082\n因為我們過去我們很關心中部包括南部那我們在這個中部跟南部的幾個學校裡面我們都有綠牆的一個計畫在進行其實效果是好的\n\n07:36.823 --> 08:03.182\n包括當時我們在像雲林裡我們有導入所謂的新風系統等等我們重點就是希望改善在教室裡面的小朋友們他們的這些學生他們的這一個空氣的一個品質我們透過這樣的一個方式那現在是不是進一步把它擴展到像長道機構等等這個部分我們把它納入園域等於是委員你今天也許了一個願我們把它送進來好當成我們的許願詞\n\n08:05.643 --> 08:33.881\n好謝謝謝謝次長那針對PM的對健康的影響大家都很清楚這個跟顆粒的大小有非常密切的關係那我自己本身是來自一個醫界對健康的維護也特別敏感我們在PM時對呼吸道的刺激主要就是針對比較黏膜表層會明顯的影響到引起氣喘跟直氣管疾病那如果是2.5的話容易引起肺部發炎還有慢性\n\n08:34.501 --> 08:49.471\n阻塞性的肺病為主那如果是PM1的話就會比較深入到肺部裡面加劇呼吸道的問題導致全身性的發炎那如果是0.1的話可能更危險這個可以理解\n\n08:50.191 --> 09:09.723\n這些那麼超微細的顆粒會穿越這個細胞的屏障進入到全身的血液循環影響到大腦肝臟跟腎臟等等的這個就是目前我們所擔心未來對健康的影響當然這個驗證需要持續的透過這些醫學研究讓民眾可以更理解這個0.1%的影響\n\n09:12.225 --> 09:40.965\n那今天我們也看到這個PM0.1納入空品政策的白皮書裡面就是我們看到這個白皮書不過跟市長報告一下其實這裡面是有提到超選府違例可是他其實都沒有提到0.1可能當初在編這個白皮書的時候還沒有把這個0.1當作一些想要設定的部分這可能到時候再麻煩因為我們過去都是到2.5嘛那我們那個時候是\n\n09:41.766 --> 10:00.579\n把1放進來了那現在大家談的都是0.1嘛那這個一定會是我們未來的重點對所以那個重點就變成說那從科學的角度來看我們如何能夠啟動這個科學模式的推顧就變得非常非常的重要任何的事情的進步一定要有科學的依據\n\n10:01.400 --> 10:30.840\n那我們也知道之前在PM2.5的部分是透過AERMOD的這個本土化的模式來建構這樣的這些了解知道說PM2.5這個26%來自於這個益善源47%來自於境外傳輸等等那未來我們在啟動這個PM0.1的研究過程當中還是希望有一個科學模式的推估那目前這個推估\n\n10:32.921 --> 10:43.445\n將來會怎麼執行可能還會請次長這邊來做進一步的這些報告以外那我們也看到說目前的空氣全國空氣品質的指標裡面\n\n10:46.884 --> 10:58.401\n還沒有0.1這個相次當然是還沒有好的模型或者是政策方式不知道這個指標什麼時候有機會把PM0.1也放進來跟委員報告因為\n\n11:02.426 --> 11:22.877\n歐盟也是在去年的11月才要求會員國在兩年之內要設監測站那他們監測站的密度其實今天大家都在談說我們是不是要增加一些站啊怎麼樣怎麼樣每間市都要設啊其實他們是每人口一千萬人才需要設一站如果以這個標準台灣設三站就好了但是我們當然不會是這個樣子\n\n11:24.638 --> 11:43.619\n開始要去設監測站取得監測的數據是注意做研究那做研究之後接下來找出這個污染的成因跟來源之後擬定政策去管制目前歐盟或者是這個世界衛生組織也都沒有做任何的管制標準的建議\n\n11:44.560 --> 12:12.792\n那不是在知音裡面提醒大家要注意這個PM0.1那現在其實我們台灣的很多學界或者是健康組織他們已經開始在關心這個問題那環境部也把他拉進來了我們在102年就已經跟台大管公所蕭老師這邊有一個計畫在進行一直持續著那我想除了台北之外台中高雄這個部分我們也都會去加強做資料的監測跟蒐集那接下來我們就會擬定政策來執行\n\n12:13.732 --> 12:36.190\nOK好如果將來有全國空氣品質指標把這個PM0.1也納進來的話我想這個就是走在世界最前端也讓民眾對於這個PM0.1真的會影響到我們體內的這個部分可以有更知道怎麼去保障自己的健康尤其是呼吸道包括全身的防護的部分\n\n12:36.730 --> 13:04.132\n那最後一個部分就是有關於這個空氣污染防治基金管理會如何能夠把這個醫學跟公衛的領域代表也納進來這個部分之前其實有跟彭部長討論過這個問題我們期待說在這個部分有能夠把這個相關的代表也希望讓他在這個管理會裡面發揮他的作用那部長那個時候也認為說的確有這個需要\n\n13:06.914 --> 13:24.500\n讓這樣的這個管理會的代表可以更多元的同時也希望能夠發揮它的作用我們也知道目前的這個基金會裡面管理會裡面的代表是有不同的這個\n\n13:26.181 --> 13:40.954\n代表包括目前的委員設計的17到23人其中是有一些相關的機關代表、專家、學者跟民間團體可是很湊巧\n\n13:43.676 --> 14:11.607\n之前好像對於這個醫療或者是公衛的部分沒有那麼樣的去確認說未來這個環境尤其是空污的影響造成了這些不管是疾病上的或者是這個公共衛生帶來的衝擊所以並沒有把相關的這個專家學者納為這個委員之一那這部分可能也要麻煩是不是能夠有機會請部長或者是請次長這邊來考量\n\n14:13.428 --> 14:27.044\n跟委員報告一下那我們這一次我們空污基金管理會我們委員到任期屆滿之後我們已經有新聘了準備新聘那目前的現在裡面就已經有了吧\n\n14:28.001 --> 14:47.883\n目前有一位台大的公衛的教授那未來也一定會把他在那就不一定是他但是就是說一定會有公衛領域的或是醫療領域的學者專家在裡面謝謝委員的提醒因為我們根據氣候變遷因應法第四條裡面其實在第八款是有\n\n14:48.764 --> 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MOD的這個本土化的模式來建構這樣的這些了解知道說PM2.5這個26%來自於這個益善源47%來自於境外傳輸等等那未來我們在啟動這個PM0.1的研究過程當中還是希望有一個科學模式的推估那目前這個推估"},{"start":632.921,"end":643.445,"text":"將來會怎麼執行可能還會請次長這邊來做進一步的這些報告以外那我們也看到說目前的空氣全國空氣品質的指標裡面"},{"start":646.884,"end":658.401,"text":"還沒有0.1這個相次當然是還沒有好的模型或者是政策方式不知道這個指標什麼時候有機會把PM0.1也放進來跟委員報告因為"},{"start":662.426,"end":682.877,"text":"歐盟也是在去年的11月才要求會員國在兩年之內要設監測站那他們監測站的密度其實今天大家都在談說我們是不是要增加一些站啊怎麼樣怎麼樣每間市都要設啊其實他們是每人口一千萬人才需要設一站如果以這個標準台灣設三站就好了但是我們當然不會是這個樣子"},{"start":684.638,"end":703.619,"text":"開始要去設監測站取得監測的數據是注意做研究那做研究之後接下來找出這個污染的成因跟來源之後擬定政策去管制目前歐盟或者是這個世界衛生組織也都沒有做任何的管制標準的建議"},{"start":704.56,"end":732.792,"text":"那不是在知音裡面提醒大家要注意這個PM0.1那現在其實我們台灣的很多學界或者是健康組織他們已經開始在關心這個問題那環境部也把他拉進來了我們在102年就已經跟台大管公所蕭老師這邊有一個計畫在進行一直持續著那我想除了台北之外台中高雄這個部分我們也都會去加強做資料的監測跟蒐集那接下來我們就會擬定政策來執行"},{"start":733.732,"end":756.19,"text":"OK 好 如果將來有全國空氣品質指標把這個PM0.1也納進來的話我想這個就是走在世界最前端也讓民眾對於這個PM0.1真的會影響到我們體內的這個部分可以有更知道怎麼去保障自己的健康尤其是呼吸道 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