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00:03:15,659\n我們繼續再來看這個後續怎麼樣可以來這個應用蠻好的可是如果沒有人要去採用的時候那這個就很可惜其實我看到這個新聞的時候我會覺得說有這樣的這個團隊學生他願意去研發這樣的東西出來那其實就符合我們現在非排氣出來的這種系懸浮微粒\n\n10\n00:03:16,739 --> 00:03:31,882\n變成說他可以收集的話如果他的經費他的這個預算又不是很高的話其實我覺得他應該可以推動到這個機車好就是說機車未來我們如果說這個法設立之後那如果要讓他\n\n11\n00:03:32,603 --> 00:03:52,482\n这种非排气出来的那种细悬浮微粒的话我觉得这是一个很好的方式所以我们也希望环境部应该也要去协助未来我们希望能够收集这样子的一个粉尘我觉得这如果说可以大量的\n\n12\n00:03:53,303 --> 00:04:15,154\n就是運用在這個機車上面的話其實我覺得可以應該空氣品質應該可以改善因為從台北市的上下班時間你看到整個那個馬路上或者是橋你看到就是機車真的非常多甚至其他都市地區機車就是很多人上班族代步的一個工具那如果說要讓我們的這個\n\n13\n00:04:18,015 --> 00:04:27,823\n空氣品質再好的話其實我覺得這應該也是一個改善的方式之一然後所以我們也希望說環境部針對這部分應該也要去協助\n\n14\n00:04:29,013 --> 00:04:51,605\n黃委員你剛剛的質詢也許了一個願望我們會把它拉進來跟黃委員那個一樣另外我想請教就是說以目前我們針對非排氣出來的這種細懸浮微粒的譬如說煞車皮啊或者是什麼金屬粉塵之類的你們有做這樣的一個管控嗎那有做這樣的一個監測嗎\n\n15\n00:04:56,258 --> 00:05:05,187\n因為針對這個非尾氣排放這個部分我們現在有納入空品白筆書裡面所以我剛剛在報告的時候也特別有提到那這個\n\n16\n00:05:07,725 --> 00:05:27,914\n未來的環境部每半年我們會選定全國至少22處的空氣品質監測站來執行這個空氣中重金屬包括鉛隔鞏鎳酸及鈦二辛的採樣檢測工作來掌握這個濾狀污染物的有害空氣污染物的一個情況\n\n17\n00:05:29,255 --> 00:05:43,107\n那我想這個是我們未來十年我們在空氣品質管理上面我們的一個重點所以這個是未來十年要做的工作現在已經現在已經每半年已經開始做這樣的事情了\n\n18\n00:05:44,085 --> 00:06:10,743\n你是說針對非排氣管這個車輛的排放的這種你們已經開始做了嗎還是還沒跟委員報告因為就是有關非軌跡部分的相關的方法雖然學術界有在進行但是我們也需要再蒐集才能推動但是因為非軌跡排放以後到空氣中那空氣中的情況是我們民眾所關切的所以其實我們現在已經有每半年\n\n19\n00:06:14,025 --> 00:06:36,435\n所以現在已經開始做了但不是針對飛尾器而是針對整個空氣中的情況是所以整個空氣中不一定是不一定是那個排氣可能就其他的狀況可能都你們已經開始試著在做所以我們已經每半年都有監測那目前監測的結果相較於歐美國家的標準來看我們目前都還遠低那個標準\n\n20\n00:06:39,980 --> 00:06:49,708\n其實我是覺得說國人一方面會覺得說在冬天尤其是冬天的時候整個空氣品質不是那麼好尤其是中部地區\n\n21\n00:06:50,885 --> 00:07:17,298\n那一個可能是擴散可能擴散不好所以會造成整個冬天的話整個空氣不好那大家對我們的空氣品質也有有所要求所以剛剛部長有特別提到就是說未來我們可能朝向這個細懸浮微粒或者是超細浮懸微粒這個我們還要再加強那歐盟我知道說歐盟可能他們明年就要開始實施\n\n22\n00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:40,753\n他們是希望所有會員國在兩年之內也就是明年12月11號的時候開始進行監測開始監測那我們也是我們已經開始我們102年就在台大那邊我們已經開始在監測那高雄市在103年結合那個NASA就是美國太空總署\n\n23\n00:07:43,075 --> 00:08:05,133\n113我們是113高雄的部分112是台北那台中這個部分目前我們也會設站在台東大道跟西屯那邊我們會設這樣的站來建設好所以我們是走在歐盟的前面我們等於是之前有學者有關心到這個議題然後我們就開始啟動了那未來當然這個部分也會跟這個衛福部這邊密切來合作\n\n24\n00:08:05,413 --> 00:08:33,820\n是好那我們希望就是說這個改善全國的這個空氣品質其實我們剛剛提的那個部分就是這個研究團隊所研發出來的這種收集粉塵的這種我覺得這個應該可以去協助啦那另外因為早上也有幾位委員有特別提到就是說有關光電的這個議題我在這邊要跟這個次長有提到就是說\n\n25\n00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:59,634\n相信我們現在雖然這個能源這個多方譬如說不論是風電或者是光電或者是這個火力發電水力發電種種啦那光電目前已經讓大家會覺得說印象很差了就是說地方政府核准那也許他就就是違法亂開發我覺得這一點是讓所有的人\n\n26\n00:09:04,156 --> 00:09:25,269\n覺得說這個光電本來光電大家會覺得說可能這個比較環保那現在想一想如果他們是這樣子不按照這個規定不按照這個正常的程序來的話其實會讓所有的國人的印象對於光電來講是會印象非常的差所以我是不是可以針對高雄的這一件環境部應該針對這一件你們應該也有所了解\n\n27\n00:09:29,691 --> 00:09:44,484\n那我是不是可以再聽未來相關的這樣的一個光電的一個開發我覺得中央跟地方政府我覺得你們應該也要有所責任而不是核准之後然後業者他如果不按照這樣的一個\n\n28\n00:09:45,605 --> 00:10:00,379\n圖面去開發或者是不按照這樣規定去開發的話我覺得我們應該要有更嚴厲的罰則或者是甚至未來這家公司你就不能讓他有任何的這種開發行為我是不是請次長回覆一下\n\n29\n00:10:02,173 --> 00:10:14,590\n謝謝因為在那個環評的規定裡面已經有寫了就是說如果經過經濟部同意的時候那但我覺得這個經濟部同意應該是要有條件的所以我剛剛我也跟署長這邊去詢問跟了解他也是對於這種\n\n30\n00:10:16,332 --> 00:10:33,866\n使用的條件它是有一些審查的機制在這裡未來就是怎麼樣去加強落實避免像這樣的對環境的危害本來是要創造綠能的結果它先把環境破壞了那這樣就不是我們要追求的方向沒錯所以我覺得說這種如果違規的話我覺得應該要有更重的一個罰則\n\n31\n00:10:38,229 --> 00:10:50,677\n也希望就是說中央跟地方針對這一部分就剛剛次長講的我們是希望創造綠能那不是因為你要創造這個綠能然後反而去破壞我們整個環境這個是我們不樂見的\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6374\t8876\t謝謝主席我們請次長來請次長次長好我想今天大家關心的就是說我們的那個空氣當中的吸引懸浮微粒或者是超吸引浮懸微粒那我想請教就是說在2024年的時候環境部有\n29531\t47322\t跟教育部有舉辦過這個第五屆的空品競賽那其中就是中央大學的學生他們跟就是那個機械工程學系的學生他們就是構思創新了一個機車的煞車集成系統\n48723\t52006\t我想請教就是說因為其實台灣很多騎摩托車或者是開車如果說我們這樣的一個機車的煞車集成系統如果可以成為市場中可能就市場化未來可能會可以改善到我們機車煞車時候的這種超細\n78606\t85469\t扶玄為力我不知道因為次長當時也有去參加嘛我頒獎的你頒獎的對那次長也有特別提到就是說這個好像也不錯那會協助就是說讓它市場化那我想請教次長你針對這一部分未來可能用在我們的這個機車\n102034\t110360\t機車上面那我覺得這個應該也有一些市場那我想請教這個次長你針對這一部分你有什麼樣的這個想法\n111349\t134469\t謝文的質詢那這個在我們的空品白皮書裡面其實我們也有提到我們除了這個汽機車的排氣我們要去管制之外對於灰尾氣排放的部分它是因為煞車或者是輪胎在地面磨損所造成的揚起的這一種粉塵也是我們必須要特別關注的議題這個已經我們已經進階到這樣的一個\n138132\t161713\t未來的空瓶的未來10年的一個方向那那一天的頒獎典禮之後其實也有有人問到我這個問題我覺得這個是一個很好的研究應該後續值得去推廣或媒合那據我了解好像後來我們也有跟這個團隊這邊有談有討論過了解他們的一些想法那因為現在目前沒有\n163254\t171079\t車廠或者是有人願意去投入這樣的一個經費讓他可以量化或什麼那我們是不是\n172914\t195659\t我們繼續再來看這個後續怎麼樣可以來這個應用蠻好的可是如果沒有人要去採用的時候那這個就很可惜其實我看到這個新聞的時候我會覺得說有這樣的這個團隊學生他願意去研發這樣的東西出來那其實就符合我們現在非排氣出來的這種系懸浮微粒\n196739\t211882\t變成說他可以收集的話如果他的經費他的這個預算又不是很高的話其實我覺得他應該可以推動到這個機車好就是說機車未來我們如果說這個法設立之後那如果要讓他\n212603\t232482\t这种非排气出来的那种细悬浮微粒的话我觉得这是一个很好的方式所以我们也希望环境部应该也要去协助未来我们希望能够收集这样子的一个粉尘我觉得这如果说可以大量的\n233303\t255154\t就是運用在這個機車上面的話其實我覺得可以應該空氣品質應該可以改善因為從台北市的上下班時間你看到整個那個馬路上或者是橋你看到就是機車真的非常多甚至其他都市地區機車就是很多人上班族代步的一個工具那如果說要讓我們的這個\n258015\t267823\t空氣品質再好的話其實我覺得這應該也是一個改善的方式之一然後所以我們也希望說環境部針對這部分應該也要去協助\n269013\t291605\t黃委員你剛剛的質詢也許了一個願望我們會把它拉進來跟黃委員那個一樣另外我想請教就是說以目前我們針對非排氣出來的這種細懸浮微粒的譬如說煞車皮啊或者是什麼金屬粉塵之類的你們有做這樣的一個管控嗎那有做這樣的一個監測嗎\n296258\t305187\t因為針對這個非尾氣排放這個部分我們現在有納入空品白筆書裡面所以我剛剛在報告的時候也特別有提到那這個\n307725\t327914\t未來的環境部每半年我們會選定全國至少22處的空氣品質監測站來執行這個空氣中重金屬包括鉛 隔 鞏 鎳 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隔 鞏 鎳 酸及鈦二辛的採樣檢測工作來掌握這個濾狀污染物的有害空氣污染物的一個情況\n那我想這個是我們未來十年我們在空氣品質管理上面我們的一個重點所以這個是未來十年要做的工作現在已經現在已經每半年已經開始做這樣的事情了\n你是說針對非排氣管這個車輛的排放的這種你們已經開始做了嗎還是還沒跟委員報告因為就是有關非軌跡部分的相關的方法雖然學術界有在進行但是我們也需要再蒐集才能推動但是因為非軌跡排放以後到空氣中那空氣中的情況是我們民眾所關切的所以其實我們現在已經有每半年\n所以現在已經開始做了但不是針對飛尾器而是針對整個空氣中的情況是所以整個空氣中不一定是不一定是那個排氣可能就其他的狀況可能都你們已經開始試著在做所以我們已經每半年都有監測那目前監測的結果相較於歐美國家的標準來看我們目前都還遠低那個標準\n其實我是覺得說國人一方面會覺得說在冬天尤其是冬天的時候整個空氣品質不是那麼好尤其是中部地區\n那一個可能是擴散可能擴散不好所以會造成整個冬天的話整個空氣不好那大家對我們的空氣品質也有有所要求所以剛剛部長有特別提到就是說未來我們可能朝向這個細懸浮微粒或者是超細浮懸微粒這個我們還要再加強那歐盟我知道說歐盟可能他們明年就要開始實施\n他們是希望所有會員國在兩年之內也就是明年12月11號的時候開始進行監測開始監測那我們也是我們已經開始我們102年就在台大那邊我們已經開始在監測那高雄市在103年結合那個NASA就是美國太空總署\n113我們是113高雄的部分112是台北那台中這個部分目前我們也會設站在台東大道跟西屯那邊我們會設這樣的站來建設好所以我們是走在歐盟的前面我們等於是之前有學者有關心到這個議題然後我們就開始啟動了那未來當然這個部分也會跟這個衛福部這邊密切來合作\n是好那我們希望就是說這個改善全國的這個空氣品質其實我們剛剛提的那個部分就是這個研究團隊所研發出來的這種收集粉塵的這種我覺得這個應該可以去協助啦那另外因為早上也有幾位委員有特別提到就是說有關光電的這個議題我在這邊要跟這個次長有提到就是說\n相信我們現在雖然這個能源這個多方譬如說不論是風電或者是光電或者是這個火力發電水力發電種種啦那光電目前已經讓大家會覺得說印象很差了就是說地方政府核准那也許他就就是違法亂開發我覺得這一點是讓所有的人\n覺得說這個光電本來光電大家會覺得說可能這個比較環保那現在想一想如果他們是這樣子不按照這個規定不按照這個正常的程序來的話其實會讓所有的國人的印象對於光電來講是會印象非常的差所以我是不是可以針對高雄的這一件環境部應該針對這一件你們應該也有所了解\n那我是不是可以再聽未來相關的這樣的一個光電的一個開發我覺得中央跟地方政府我覺得你們應該也要有所責任而不是核准之後然後業者他如果不按照這樣的一個\n圖面去開發或者是不按照這樣規定去開發的話我覺得我們應該要有更嚴厲的罰則或者是甚至未來這家公司你就不能讓他有任何的這種開發行為我是不是請次長回覆一下\n謝謝因為在那個環評的規定裡面已經有寫了就是說如果經過經濟部同意的時候那但我覺得這個經濟部同意應該是要有條件的所以我剛剛我也跟署長這邊去詢問跟了解他也是對於這種\n使用的條件它是有一些審查的機制在這裡未來就是怎麼樣去加強落實避免像這樣的對環境的危害本來是要創造綠能的結果它先把環境破壞了那這樣就不是我們要追求的方向沒錯所以我覺得說這種如果違規的話我覺得應該要有更重的一個罰則\n也希望就是說中央跟地方針對這一部分就剛剛次長講的我們是希望創造綠能那不是因為你要創造這個綠能然後反而去破壞我們整個環境這個是我們不樂見的\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.374 --> 00:08.876\n謝謝主席我們請次長來請次長次長好我想今天大家關心的就是說我們的那個空氣當中的吸引懸浮微粒或者是超吸引浮懸微粒那我想請教就是說在2024年的時候環境部有\n\n00:29.531 --> 00:47.322\n跟教育部有舉辦過這個第五屆的空品競賽那其中就是中央大學的學生他們跟就是那個機械工程學系的學生他們就是構思創新了一個機車的煞車集成系統\n\n00:48.723 --> 00:52.006\n我想請教就是說因為其實台灣很多騎摩托車或者是開車如果說我們這樣的一個機車的煞車集成系統如果可以成為市場中可能就市場化未來可能會可以改善到我們機車煞車時候的這種超細\n\n01:18.606 --> 01:25.469\n扶玄為力我不知道因為次長當時也有去參加嘛我頒獎的你頒獎的對那次長也有特別提到就是說這個好像也不錯那會協助就是說讓它市場化那我想請教次長你針對這一部分未來可能用在我們的這個機車\n\n01:42.034 --> 01:50.360\n機車上面那我覺得這個應該也有一些市場那我想請教這個次長你針對這一部分你有什麼樣的這個想法\n\n01:51.349 --> 02:14.469\n謝文的質詢那這個在我們的空品白皮書裡面其實我們也有提到我們除了這個汽機車的排氣我們要去管制之外對於灰尾氣排放的部分它是因為煞車或者是輪胎在地面磨損所造成的揚起的這一種粉塵也是我們必須要特別關注的議題這個已經我們已經進階到這樣的一個\n\n02:18.132 --> 02:41.713\n未來的空瓶的未來10年的一個方向那那一天的頒獎典禮之後其實也有有人問到我這個問題我覺得這個是一個很好的研究應該後續值得去推廣或媒合那據我了解好像後來我們也有跟這個團隊這邊有談有討論過了解他們的一些想法那因為現在目前沒有\n\n02:43.254 --> 02:51.079\n車廠或者是有人願意去投入這樣的一個經費讓他可以量化或什麼那我們是不是\n\n02:52.914 --> 03:15.659\n我們繼續再來看這個後續怎麼樣可以來這個應用蠻好的可是如果沒有人要去採用的時候那這個就很可惜其實我看到這個新聞的時候我會覺得說有這樣的這個團隊學生他願意去研發這樣的東西出來那其實就符合我們現在非排氣出來的這種系懸浮微粒\n\n03:16.739 --> 03:31.882\n變成說他可以收集的話如果他的經費他的這個預算又不是很高的話其實我覺得他應該可以推動到這個機車好就是說機車未來我們如果說這個法設立之後那如果要讓他\n\n03:32.603 --> 03:52.482\n这种非排气出来的那种细悬浮微粒的话我觉得这是一个很好的方式所以我们也希望环境部应该也要去协助未来我们希望能够收集这样子的一个粉尘我觉得这如果说可以大量的\n\n03:53.303 --> 04:15.154\n就是運用在這個機車上面的話其實我覺得可以應該空氣品質應該可以改善因為從台北市的上下班時間你看到整個那個馬路上或者是橋你看到就是機車真的非常多甚至其他都市地區機車就是很多人上班族代步的一個工具那如果說要讓我們的這個\n\n04:18.015 --> 04:27.823\n空氣品質再好的話其實我覺得這應該也是一個改善的方式之一然後所以我們也希望說環境部針對這部分應該也要去協助\n\n04:29.013 --> 04:51.605\n黃委員你剛剛的質詢也許了一個願望我們會把它拉進來跟黃委員那個一樣另外我想請教就是說以目前我們針對非排氣出來的這種細懸浮微粒的譬如說煞車皮啊或者是什麼金屬粉塵之類的你們有做這樣的一個管控嗎那有做這樣的一個監測嗎\n\n04:56.258 --> 05:05.187\n因為針對這個非尾氣排放這個部分我們現在有納入空品白筆書裡面所以我剛剛在報告的時候也特別有提到那這個\n\n05:07.725 --> 05:27.914\n未來的環境部每半年我們會選定全國至少22處的空氣品質監測站來執行這個空氣中重金屬包括鉛隔鞏鎳酸及鈦二辛的採樣檢測工作來掌握這個濾狀污染物的有害空氣污染物的一個情況\n\n05:29.255 --> 05:43.107\n那我想這個是我們未來十年我們在空氣品質管理上面我們的一個重點所以這個是未來十年要做的工作現在已經現在已經每半年已經開始做這樣的事情了\n\n05:44.085 --> 06:10.743\n你是說針對非排氣管這個車輛的排放的這種你們已經開始做了嗎還是還沒跟委員報告因為就是有關非軌跡部分的相關的方法雖然學術界有在進行但是我們也需要再蒐集才能推動但是因為非軌跡排放以後到空氣中那空氣中的情況是我們民眾所關切的所以其實我們現在已經有每半年\n\n06:14.025 --> 06:36.435\n所以現在已經開始做了但不是針對飛尾器而是針對整個空氣中的情況是所以整個空氣中不一定是不一定是那個排氣可能就其他的狀況可能都你們已經開始試著在做所以我們已經每半年都有監測那目前監測的結果相較於歐美國家的標準來看我們目前都還遠低那個標準\n\n06:39.980 --> 06:49.708\n其實我是覺得說國人一方面會覺得說在冬天尤其是冬天的時候整個空氣品質不是那麼好尤其是中部地區\n\n06:50.885 --> 07:17.298\n那一個可能是擴散可能擴散不好所以會造成整個冬天的話整個空氣不好那大家對我們的空氣品質也有有所要求所以剛剛部長有特別提到就是說未來我們可能朝向這個細懸浮微粒或者是超細浮懸微粒這個我們還要再加強那歐盟我知道說歐盟可能他們明年就要開始實施\n\n07:18.920 --> 07:40.753\n他們是希望所有會員國在兩年之內也就是明年12月11號的時候開始進行監測開始監測那我們也是我們已經開始我們102年就在台大那邊我們已經開始在監測那高雄市在103年結合那個NASA就是美國太空總署\n\n07:43.075 --> 08:05.133\n113我們是113高雄的部分112是台北那台中這個部分目前我們也會設站在台東大道跟西屯那邊我們會設這樣的站來建設好所以我們是走在歐盟的前面我們等於是之前有學者有關心到這個議題然後我們就開始啟動了那未來當然這個部分也會跟這個衛福部這邊密切來合作\n\n08:05.413 --> 08:33.820\n是好那我們希望就是說這個改善全國的這個空氣品質其實我們剛剛提的那個部分就是這個研究團隊所研發出來的這種收集粉塵的這種我覺得這個應該可以去協助啦那另外因為早上也有幾位委員有特別提到就是說有關光電的這個議題我在這邊要跟這個次長有提到就是說\n\n08:35.641 --> 08:59.634\n相信我們現在雖然這個能源這個多方譬如說不論是風電或者是光電或者是這個火力發電水力發電種種啦那光電目前已經讓大家會覺得說印象很差了就是說地方政府核准那也許他就就是違法亂開發我覺得這一點是讓所有的人\n\n09:04.156 --> 09:25.269\n覺得說這個光電本來光電大家會覺得說可能這個比較環保那現在想一想如果他們是這樣子不按照這個規定不按照這個正常的程序來的話其實會讓所有的國人的印象對於光電來講是會印象非常的差所以我是不是可以針對高雄的這一件環境部應該針對這一件你們應該也有所了解\n\n09:29.691 --> 09:44.484\n那我是不是可以再聽未來相關的這樣的一個光電的一個開發我覺得中央跟地方政府我覺得你們應該也要有所責任而不是核准之後然後業者他如果不按照這樣的一個\n\n09:45.605 --> 10:00.379\n圖面去開發或者是不按照這樣規定去開發的話我覺得我們應該要有更嚴厲的罰則或者是甚至未來這家公司你就不能讓他有任何的這種開發行為我是不是請次長回覆一下\n\n10:02.173 --> 10:14.590\n謝謝因為在那個環評的規定裡面已經有寫了就是說如果經過經濟部同意的時候那但我覺得這個經濟部同意應該是要有條件的所以我剛剛我也跟署長這邊去詢問跟了解他也是對於這種\n\n10:16.332 --> 10:33.866\n使用的條件它是有一些審查的機制在這裡未來就是怎麼樣去加強落實避免像這樣的對環境的危害本來是要創造綠能的結果它先把環境破壞了那這樣就不是我們要追求的方向沒錯所以我覺得說這種如果違規的話我覺得應該要有更重的一個罰則\n\n10:38.229 --> 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